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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:11:03 PM EST
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By Big Tent Democrat

CNN, no call on the race. Obama doing very well.

White vote - 73% Clinton, Obama 26%.

A-A vote - 90% Obama, 10% Clinton.

Turnout was almost 50/50 White-A-A. Projecting the exit poll, It will be 58-42. I expect on THIS demo breakdown, a 17-16 delegate split.

In the popular vote, if turnout was 150,000, Obama would win 87,000 to 63,000, or a net gain of 24,000 for Obama.

The first truly meaningful exit poll data has come out:

Blacks, who have supported Obama in overwhelming numbers in earlier primaries, accounted for roughly half the ballots cast in Mississippi, according to interviews with voters leaving polling places.
The expectation was for African American turnout to be 55 or 56%. With Obama expected to capture upwards of 80% of the African American vote, while gaining only a quarter of the non-black vote, this would augur for a closer race than expected.

Update [2008-3-11 19:45:41 by Big Tent Democrat]:I think tonight is a strange night. I think a campaign has made a mistake drawing focus on an issue and some statements that will not be helpful to their campaign and to the Democratic Party. I think the supporters of and the news network that supports that campaign are making a similar mistake. Especially in light of the results to come tonight. I am quite depressed about the whole thing.

Update(TL): Comments Now Closed.

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    Obama Wins MS | 215 comments (215 topical)
    I'm a Hillary supporter (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by robrecht on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:30:22 PM EST
    ... but I hate to sound like a Republican hoping for low voter turnout.

    You don't mean that, do you? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:31:54 PM EST
    I support Clinton, but I think it will be very sad if people don't turn out. Everyone (at least all Dems) should have a say in this.

    [ Parent ]
    No I don't (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by robrecht on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:37:01 PM EST
    I would hate to sound like a Republican hoping for low voter turn-out.  So I don't.  I would rather Obama win with record high voting by Dems than have Clinton win with tepid support.

    [ Parent ]
    Awesome (none / 0) (#18)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:38:48 PM EST
    Same wavelength.

    [ Parent ]
    Hope for high turnout of Hillary supporters (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:31:18 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by robrecht on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:33:45 PM EST
    I'm really pleased by the numbers that Obama has been pulling in.  To a certain extent this strong competition has energized our party.

    [ Parent ]
    Would be if that were true (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by ineedalife on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:16:40 PM EST
    A Dallas paper reported that a big chunk of Obama voters didn't vote in the down ticket democratic races while Clinton voters did. Many of his newbies have no interest yet in the Democratic Party. Doesn't bode well for Obama coattails in the fall.

    [ Parent ]
    Haster's seat went (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:26:14 PM EST
    Democratic for the first time in a long, long time.....Foster wrapped himself in Obama's coat-tails....He lead with a commercial done by Obama for him.....

    [ Parent ]
    Obama coat tails in Illinois? (none / 0) (#114)
    by plf1953 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:32:47 PM EST
    Gee, imagine that.

    And you think this means anything for the GE?

    Please explain the significance of this to us.

    [ Parent ]

    Perhaps a favorite son (none / 0) (#126)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:38:32 PM EST
    result....But it was a heavily Republican district and heavily contested by the Republicans....

    Most Democrats elected in red states seem to prefer Obama at the head of the ticket....

    [ Parent ]

    Just curious (none / 0) (#136)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:44:05 PM EST
    but what downticket elections are you referring to?

    [ Parent ]
    The article (none / 0) (#140)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:45:46 PM EST
    looked at whether primary voters also voted in the Dem Senate primary.  Apparently at least 10% more Clinton voters did so.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm just hoping it was a fair/legitimate election (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:39:54 PM EST
    Don't care who wins or by how much.

    I have certainly lowered my bar...

    CNN calling MS primary for Obama (none / 0) (#74)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:16:19 PM EST
    No %s yet.

    [ Parent ]
    As to your update (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:47:33 PM EST
    I agree.

    can you translate it for me? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:50:03 PM EST
    i'm seriously under the weather, and didn't quite follow it...

    [ Parent ]
    A certain former VP nominee, I think (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:51:36 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    heh (none / 0) (#25)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:53:21 PM EST
    okay- maybe i missed some news, today, because i've been in bed for half of it, but can you speak in plain english?

    [ Parent ]
    I think I'll honor BTD's indirectness (none / 0) (#28)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:54:23 PM EST
    and suggest that you scroll down the dkos FP. See also the right side.

    [ Parent ]
    ugh (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:59:02 PM EST
    poorly played by both sides. and no comment on how it's framed, over there...

    [ Parent ]
    Politico (none / 0) (#111)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:30:19 PM EST
    Check out Politico for the back and forth.

    [ Parent ]
    Or turn on Countdown (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:04:42 PM EST
    Olbermann is about to eviscerate Ferraro.

    Clinton has already said she doesn't agree with these comments, but the Obama campaign is calling for Clinton to "fire" Ferraro as a fundraiser.

    I'm not sure Ferraro can be fired.

    [ Parent ]

    Is he threatening a special comment? (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:05:50 PM EST
    I'll have to get my wind jacket for that one.

    [ Parent ]
    Ferraro (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by OldCoastie on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    has no position in the Clinton campaign. I think she raised some money.

    [ Parent ]
    She stated as much (none / 0) (#113)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:31:42 PM EST
    Along the lines of Clinton can't reign me in, Obama better not come after me as he'll want me to fund raise for him if he gets the nom.  

    [ Parent ]
    Ferraro (none / 0) (#147)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM EST
    has had Multiple Myeloma for many years....The mean survival rate from diagnosis is about 3 years....The survival rate past 5 years has been less than 5%....There is a new treatment approved by the FDA last year that involves taking stem cells from the bone marrow and then radiating everything else, then transplanting the stem cells back into the bone marrow....A cure might be possible....The problem?  Those who began treatment years ago had their stem cells radiated and thus made unusable for an autologous stem cell transplant....

    Ferraro has hung in there longer than most...I would leave her alone....

    [ Parent ]

    as another person with (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by athyrio on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:09:48 PM EST
    Multiple Myeloma, I completely agree....It isn't easy to survive this mess, particularly without insurance...

    [ Parent ]
    as another person with (none / 0) (#177)
    by athyrio on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:10:25 PM EST
    Multiple Myeloma, I completely agree....It isn't easy to survive this mess, particularly without insurance...

    [ Parent ]
    Let's just repudiate all our Dem leaders (4.50 / 2) (#72)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:14:55 PM EST
    and get it over with.  If Obama is the nominee, he can't use our greatest vote-getter Bill Clinton, because Obama cut him off at the knees.  Now if Clinton wins, she can't use Ferraro -- part of a historic ballot, too, that made Dems the first major party ever with a woman on the ballot.

    She has historic meaning for many of us.  Go ahead, get another Dem constituency ticked off.

    I think it is increasingly wise of Gore and Carter to not say a thing.  If they said no more than that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, they would be eviscerated on the cable networks and the so-called liberal blogs for making this election all about regional identity politics, which never ever has been talked about before in the history of this country.

    Who will be left to hit the hustings to help the Dem nominee win, while the Repubs trot out one beloved name after another for McCain?  What in H*LL are we doing to ourselves again?

    [ Parent ]

    You just had to make me do it... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST
    Not related to the VP you mentioned but I wasn't aware that Kos thinks Texas should be counted twice in the popularity contest. And MI and FL not at all (he was for it before he was against it). And the picture darkening is still news.

    Those were the positive things I read. :)

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, Texas should be counted 2x (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:24 PM EST
    because they had a primary and a caucus, even though people could vote in both.

    Is he now saying there should be no re-vote, or is it just that he wouldn't seat based on the January primaries?

    [ Parent ]

    My (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by eleanora on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:23:31 PM EST
    understanding was that you had to vote in the primary in order to vote in the caucus. So all the caucus voters would be counted twice.

    "2. Get proof that you voted

    Someone should stamp your card when you vote to denote that you participated in the primary. Make sure that they don't forget because you don't want to be left out of the precinct convention. Also note that provisional voters may participate in the precinct convention."

    precinct convention=that night's caucus

    link

    [ Parent ]

    It's the dumbest system ever (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:27:54 PM EST
    We're going to hold a primary and invite everyone to come vote.  And then out of the people that come vote, we're going to see which of them cares enough to come back a second time the same night, and then we're going to treat that second result like it means something!

    Counting the same people twice in the popular vote is obviously dumb.  But allocating delegates based upon a "who wants to come back a second time" caucus is really no less dumb.

    [ Parent ]

    Dumb doesn't even begin (none / 0) (#118)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:34:55 PM EST
    to describe it.

    [ Parent ]
    lmom, I didn't read that far so don't take my (none / 0) (#68)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:13:32 PM EST
    word for it. I can't imagine at this point that he can see rationally enough to be even a little fair. He did say the caucus and primary should both count though.

    [ Parent ]
    It's the Geraldine Ferraro thing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:57:25 PM EST
    The Obama campaign is trying to say her statements are on the same level as calling Clinton a monster.

    Ok. So what does that have to do with the MS primary?

    [ Parent ]

    There's a diary about it .. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:57:26 PM EST
    here.

    [ Parent ]
    What the hell does the update mean? (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:53:27 PM EST
    Can it be spelled out for those of us who choose not to watch Cable news.

    Tonight (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by nell on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:55:01 PM EST
    will be fine for Senator Obama. I realize there are a lot of racial divisions, but I think they have been there in the south since SC. The media conversation did not damage him then, so why woud it damage him now?

    I hope everyone who wants to have their voice heard has it heard, no matter who they support.

    BTD, could you be a bit more specific about what you are afraid of?

    With regards to your update (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by jcsf on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:15 PM EST
    I really hope both candidates can dial it back.  I'm thinking more and more, we should have both of these candidates on the ticket (of course, my preference is to see the one who is leading in delegates, the most states, and most likely the popular vote, at the top of the ticket.)

    The main reason is, we as democrats, as progressives, to shift the country, at least a BIT in our direction, need BOTH of these very strong, very robust, constituencies.  

    Really, don't we WANT young people, idealism, as well as the black vote, , and the progressives, ready and energized for Democrats?

    Conversely, don't we WANT the Latino vote, the white working class, women, primed and energetic for Democrats?

    I wish we could wave a magic want, and combine these two segments of the democratic base, into Obam-ary.

    Or even (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jcsf on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST
    Hillama!

    [ Parent ]
    Now you're talkin'! (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:12:25 PM EST
    I prefer Hill-ama, even though it sounds like a furry pack animal that spits.

    [ Parent ]
    Hillack? (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:32:50 PM EST
    Barillary?

    Clobama.

    Oblinton.

    The possibilities are endless.

    [ Parent ]

    LOL! (none / 0) (#75)
    by jcsf on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:16:32 PM EST
    Good image!

    [ Parent ]
    Obary (none / 0) (#101)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:27:13 PM EST
    Obary just sounds?????

    [ Parent ]
    Obama needs to reach out (none / 0) (#139)
    by Manuel on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:45:36 PM EST
    So far, he hasn't.  Perhaps he will if he gets the nomination.  So far, his campaign has reached out more to Repubiclans.

    [ Parent ]
    Hillary does too.... (none / 0) (#215)
    by CST on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:50:59 PM EST
    And Ferraro sure isn't helping

    [ Parent ]
    I wish to respect BTD's request.... (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by Oje on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:50:32 PM EST
    But, I have been concerned that the reasoning behind the MSM's - and particularly the Republicans analysts' - gleeful coverage of the acrimony in this race is that it creates a useful narrative: all Americans are racists and sexists now. They see this as an opportunity to move out from under the cloud of their recent party history, or rather to drag the Democratic party under it as well. Whether that narrative fits or not, the media applies their new frame at every opportunity: from New Hampshire and South Carolina to Ohio and Mississippi. All of the sniping by and at the campaign surrogates only play to Republicans' darkest wishes.

    Remember the presser where (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:51:27 PM EST
    HRC got a little "hot" (her words) over the Harry and Louise/Nafta flyers?  I feel another one coming on over being called a racist.  I can hear her saying "this is Mr. Unity..."

    She and Bill have deep ties to the AA community based on real work and progress made together.  I kinda hope she goes off--but then again, they'll bring up the mood swing thing again.  

    This is too hot not to cool down.

    In the meantime, it looks like once again the Dems are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  

    I was just wondering the same thing. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:58:59 PM EST
    She has to be biting down hard to keep from letting loose on this subject. I can't imagine how much it hurts her and Pres. Clinton to hear this.

    [ Parent ]
    I worked on the 92 Campaign (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by dissenter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:03:02 PM EST
    Trust me, this is killing them. They have DEEP affection for AA. I am starting to wonder if Axelrod are trying to bait Clinton (either of them) into letting loose on this issue. I can only imagine how pissed off they are right now. I imagine Bill wants to punch him in the face

    [ Parent ]
    In some ways.... (5.00 / 1) (#229)
    by Oje on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:12:57 PM EST
    All these accusations trivialize racism as a matter of poor wording. Racism is not "just words." She could give a major policy speech on institutional racism and its impact on racial inequality, then introduce a comprehensive plan to insure that her programs will not exacerbate the education/achievement gap in America.

    [ Parent ]
    Then you'll LOVE this! (none / 0) (#188)
    by Firefly4625 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:24:17 PM EST
    Just read on Taylor Marsh that Keith Olbermann is doing a Special Comment tomorrow on Clinton - about her campaign's RACISM!

    No doubt this is revenge against Hillary for having the temerity to call out the overt, disgusting sexism at MSNBC - revenge is easy in this case - just call racism on her. Tit for tat - so childish...

    Keith already tacitly called her a monster when he said about Samantha Power's remarks something like "Isn't truth a defense?"

    The MSM will stop at nothing to demonize her and get her out of the race. And yet, here she still is - hangin' right in!

    [ Parent ]

    Talk about a trial by fire (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by stillife on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:31:12 PM EST
    If she can survive the MSM bashing - and she has so far - she's truly the man for the job.

    Can you imagine Obama standing up against this kind of relentless criticism?

    [ Parent ]

    exactly, to come out of this... (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by tandem5 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:34:22 PM EST
    man! Her self-proclaimed title of a "fighter" would be the understatement of the world!

    [ Parent ]
    In answer to your question... (5.00 / 0) (#210)
    by TN Dem on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:47:35 PM EST
    This is my first post here and all I can think of to say is...Ummm NO ;0)

    I think it's fitting though, don't you?

    [ Parent ]

    it occurs to me (none / 0) (#212)
    by OldCoastie on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:48:28 PM EST
    that any statement on race is immediately jumped on as racist. I wonder if the only way Obama can bash Hillary is on this issue - otherwise, he looks like he's beating up on a girl.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, as we[ve seen (5.00 / 1) (#217)
    by stillife on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:53:06 PM EST
    the MSM has no problem beating up on a girl.  You know, b/c she's a b**ch and a monster.  

    However, I do have to say, and I respect BTD's opinions tremendously, but I think the key to a Dem win in November is a candidate who's battle-tested and not afraid to fight.

    [ Parent ]

    I use to like him (5.00 / 2) (#204)
    by dissenter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:38:34 PM EST
    But he has gone totally off the rails. Frankly, I am starting to think the more KO and MSM do this stuff the more it is going to blow up in Barack Obama's face.

    More and more women are going to head towards Hillary and fewer and fewer whites are going to head toward Barack Obama. People know that Bill and Hillary Clinton are not racists. I think a backlash is coming because people don't like seeing others accused of being racists when they know they patently are not.

    I just hope someone keeps the big dog on a leash. I can just imagine how mad he is right now. I remember one time we got held up at this rally in Watts...first one since RFK. Clinton is two hours late and the crowd is getting pissed off. It is hot and there is no water. He finally shows up with a couple of gang members and announces a ceasefire. This is right after the Rodney King Riots. The AA community was overjoyed. They know he isn't a racist. Whites know it too.

    KO and Co are manufacturing a issue and while I think AA will vote for Clinton and I am starting to wonder how many whites are going to vote for BO after all of this.

    This never should have happened.

    [ Parent ]

    You're so right - (none / 0) (#213)
    by Firefly4625 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:48:33 PM EST
    it's all manufactured. And it's all just so awful.

    Love the story about the Big Dawg, though.

    How Democrats of all races could be turning on him (and Hillary) now is just incomprehensible to me.

    [ Parent ]

    Is KO secretly working for the Clinton campaign? (none / 0) (#191)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Is that for real or a joke? (none / 0) (#193)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:27:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    for real (none / 0) (#196)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:30:58 PM EST
    he is doing it.

    Also on Taylor Marsh, apparently Obama ticked off Lou Dobbs.  We'll see what happens.

    [ Parent ]

    I think we need to email MSNBC. This is just (none / 0) (#206)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:39:07 PM EST
    outrageous to me.

    [ Parent ]
    Small thing (none / 0) (#216)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:51:01 PM EST
    One small thing... Abrams brought up that the photo of Obama is out in MS and Obama was saying on his stump speeches it came from her.  Even though it was brought up he might be able to get away with it because of Drudge, it was available from other resources.  They dinged him on this one which they rarely do.  It's been a bad week for this issue.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama Wins Sexist Vote in Mississippi (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:48:15 PM EST
    After Ohio, a number of bloggers noted that Hillary won what they called the "racist" vote in that she won the 20% of folks who said race was important to them 59-40.

    Do you think I'll wake up tomorrow to blog posts about how Obama captured the sexist vote in Mississippi seeing as how, according to CNN's exit poll, of the 27% of voters who said gender was important, he won them 68-32%?   Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.

    From AP exits (none / 0) (#222)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:00:16 PM EST
    Think this indicates a little split in the party :-)

    • Just 4 in 10 Clinton voters said she should pick Obama as her running mate if she wins.

    • Nearly three-fourths of Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins the nomination.

    • Only about one in five Clinton voters said Obama offered clear and detailed plans to solve the country's problems.


    [ Parent ]
    yes (none / 0) (#224)
    by CST on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:03:10 PM EST
    Obama wins the sexist vote.  And yes, Hillary wins the racist vote.  DUH.  This does not make the candidates themselves sexist or racist.

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#227)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:05:17 PM EST
    the point is that many people were interested in making the latter point regarding Ohio, but not the former.  We all understand that both candidates benefit from a certain number of unsavory votes, but it's just juvenile to claim that either of them are riding those votes to victory.

    [ Parent ]
    We'll have to see what "roughly" means (4.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:13:47 PM EST
    I think I made a prediction last night that this could happen. . .

    In my experience (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:15:09 PM EST
    it has mneant roughly half not "near six in 10." Or "more than half."

    I think it is lower than expected.
     

    [ Parent ]

    Who do you think a lower than (none / 0) (#4)
    by Daryl24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:19:32 PM EST
    expected turnout favors?

    [ Parent ]
    Depneds on who turns out (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:23:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    We'll know soon (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:21:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    what time do polls close? (4.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Lil on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:15:05 PM EST


    7 CST (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:22:34 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    asdf (none / 0) (#8)
    by eleanora on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:24:25 PM EST
    Obama Courts Mississippi as It Goes to Polls - New York Times

    There are 33 pledged delegates at stake, with the polls closing at 7 p.m. Central Daylight Time. Mississippi is the only state holding a primary on Tuesday, ...

    link


     :)

    [ Parent ]
    Olbermann is reporting (none / 0) (#42)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:02:45 PM EST
    that the polls just closed, Obama is ahead, but the race cannot yet be called.

    But what he is really leading with is the Geraldine Ferraro story.

    [ Parent ]

    Keith just called it (none / 0) (#99)
    by vigkat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:26:36 PM EST
    For Obama.  He was decidedly cheered by the news.

    [ Parent ]
    NPR mentioned higher turnout. .. (4.00 / 1) (#9)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:26:52 PM EST
    in three house districts that have primaries.

    If I recall, Mississippi has four house members, and only one of the districts has a majority of African Americans.  If my memory is correct, does anyone know if that district is the one without a competitive primary?  That would be a lucky break for Clinton.

    I am not sure what NPR (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:30:58 PM EST
    is referring to, there are two competitive congressional primaries that I know of on the GOP side in CDs 1 and 4 I think. Chip Pickering and Wicker's open seat.

    [ Parent ]
    Well. . . (none / 0) (#14)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:32:47 PM EST
    all I can say is that they mentioned the turnout was higher in certain districts that also had other competitive races.

    [ Parent ]
    It's the 1st and the 3rd, I think (none / 0) (#16)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:34:59 PM EST
    Details here.

    [ Parent ]
    I too (4.00 / 1) (#23)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:50:09 PM EST
    have a weird feeling about tonight and a downright bad feeling about the post primary coverage and what it will mean down the road.

    There will be no clarifications (4.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:56:04 PM EST
    I will not bring the ugliness here. I note it for the record.

    I told you (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:00:32 PM EST
    the Dick Morris narrative was still primed and ready to go for the GE.  Nobody wins this.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:58:18 PM EST
    But you already did.

    State your opinion and then close the comments down.

    Take down the update at least.

    What the hell?


    [ Parent ]

    No (none / 0) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:59:33 PM EST
    If you will not abide by what I am requesting, then you will be suspended and asked to leave for the night.

    What is your choice?

    [ Parent ]

    Whatever (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:05:08 PM EST
    I really don't know how you can post an update like that and not post an explanation.

    I really don't get that at all.  I'm trying.  Here.  I'm thinking about it some more.  No.  Still not getting it.

    Update with a foreboding sense of doom.  No explanation what it means.

    I don't get that.

    And I guess not getting that means I can't participate here.

    I'll send TL an email.  And I'm sure you'll be backed up.

    Take care.


    [ Parent ]

    So clueless here (none / 0) (#41)
    by wasabi on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:02:11 PM EST
    Where abouts did you note it so that I can decipher your comments?  Just got back from an out of state funeral and I have been out of touch for 3 days.

    [ Parent ]
    There need to be clarifications... (none / 0) (#156)
    by magster on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:51:26 PM EST
    because of the fact that the Clinton campaign is not doing anything to distance itself from Ferraro.  They are daring Obama to "go there" because they know that rural Pennsylvania probably harbors a lot of racism, and there is no more of a hot button issue than a black person being handed something not because of merit, but because of charity for past injustices.  Clinton wants this debate to rage on because it helps her.  She will do anything to win.

    Clinton can prove me wrong if she responds immediately to exile Ferraro from her campaign, but I'm not holding my breath.

    [ Parent ]

    She did distance herself from the statement. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:00:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Gosh (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:26:49 PM EST
    if it's a bad idea for Obama to go there maybe he shouldn't go there.

    No one held a gun to Axelrod's head and forced him to start complaining about an "insidious pattern."

    [ Parent ]

    I should say (none / 0) (#161)
    by magster on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM EST
    and there is no more of a hot button issue to white racists than a black person being handed something not because of merit, but because of charity for past injustices

    [ Parent ]
    Ferraro has (none / 0) (#168)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:02:32 PM EST
    had a form of incurable cancer for many years--I would leave her alone....

    [ Parent ]
    She is fundraising for Clinton (none / 0) (#178)
    by magster on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:11:03 PM EST
    and uses her pulpit at Fox News to put out these memes.  And now its up to Clinton to distance herself from these remarks.

    [ Parent ]
    Immediate (none / 0) (#176)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:10:18 PM EST
    Clinton distanced herself from this immediately.

    [ Parent ]
    No she didn't (none / 0) (#181)
    by magster on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:16:46 PM EST
    She said she did not agree with her much in the same language of McCain not agreeing with Hagee when accepting his endorsement.

    It doesn't matter, McCain's our next president. Obama's torn down -- neither he or Clinton have a prayer.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh the melodrama, the stark unfairness of it all (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:24:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Of course... (none / 0) (#205)
    by diogenes on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:38:38 PM EST
    Of Course, Hillary would never be where she is if she hadn't been married to a president.  Talk about nepotism...

    [ Parent ]
    True (none / 0) (#231)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:17:44 PM EST
    She could have been a President instead. No telling what could have happened if things had turned out differently.

    [ Parent ]
    B.S. -- and shame on you (none / 0) (#218)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:53:25 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Why the low turnout? (4.00 / 1) (#144)
    by facta non verba on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:47:41 PM EST
    Weather wasn't a factor, was it? A 150,000 voter turnout is not even 10% of the 2,066,840 eligible Democratic voters in Mississippi?

    The thread on Hillary bloggers is now closed so I will add a two more here:

    Charles Lemos at http://www.onegoodmove.org
    and an unnamed one at http://www. nomoreapples.blogspot.com

    Yes. I wondered about that too. We've had record (none / 0) (#232)
    by derridog on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:21:54 PM EST
    turnout everywhere. Maybe the negative vibes are beginning to depress everyone.

    [ Parent ]
    Just to add weirdness to this cycle ... (4.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:48:17 PM EST
    Obama's candidacy could well become derailed by a primary he won!

    Hmmm ...

    I don't see how that happens (none / 0) (#159)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:54:51 PM EST
    As long as the MSM keeps playing along.

    So the Clintons go down in history as very .....

    Well nevermind.  It will go without saying very very soon now.


    [ Parent ]

    From exit polling, 60% of Clinton (none / 0) (#171)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:05:08 PM EST
    voters say no way that Obama should be VP.  Indicates a rather deep split, even in the electorate at large.  On the tubes, I could believe that but, from the man on the street it's a bigger problem.

    I imagine the same would hold for Obama voters.


    [ Parent ]

    G-d's speed athyrio (4.00 / 1) (#207)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:39:57 PM EST
    And, we haven't heard from the Big Dog lately, (outside his campaigning quietly and successfully for Hillary) but this may set him off.  And I wouldn't blame one d*mn bit.

    meh (3.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:48:39 PM EST
    i predict a 15+ point win for obama.

    if the clinton team had had the intelligence and the funds to hold their potomac losses to around 15, things would be looking different.

    Their inability to compete (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:53:22 PM EST
    in Virginia just killed them.

    [ Parent ]
    Polls Close (3.00 / 1) (#35)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:59:10 PM EST
    Polls close in 2 minutes.  If that exit poll is true that would put Clinton within 10-12 pts.  I was hoping she would hit 40.  With that stat, she would but I won't believe it until I see it.

    Exits (none / 0) (#43)
    by eleanora on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:04:40 PM EST
    look better than I'd dared dream. I was just hoping she could keep it around 30-33%.

    [ Parent ]
    WTH (3.00 / 1) (#38)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
    they say they are not prepared to call it yet?

    CNN is calling it (none / 0) (#83)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:19:06 PM EST
    I got a breaking news alert in my email, but no details.

    [ Parent ]
    Oops, CNN just took it back (none / 0) (#87)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:21:34 PM EST
    Five minutes after I got a CNN breaking news alert in my  inbox, I got a corrected breaking news alert saying that Obama was leading but CNN had not called the primary yet.

    But MSNBC has now called it for Obama.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    [ Parent ]

    wolfie says (3.00 / 1) (#39)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:01:57 PM EST
    that between 60 and 70 percent of MS voters are black.  Is that not right?

    Registered Democrats, yes (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:07:26 PM EST
    Actual voters today might be less.

    [ Parent ]
    MSNBC epoll is strange (3.00 / 1) (#48)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:06:08 PM EST
    I can't get CNN to come up.

    What does the NBC poll say about who turned out? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:07:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Um (none / 0) (#56)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:15 PM EST
    here:

    Race
    Category    % Total    Clinton    Obama
    White    49    72    27
    Black    48    9    91
    Hispanic / Latino    0    -    -
    Asian    0    -    -
    Other    2    -    -

    [ Parent ]

    roughly (none / 0) (#65)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:11:48 PM EST
    56-39

    [ Parent ]
    yup, and Mississippi (none / 0) (#71)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:14:03 PM EST
    Depressing figures.

    [ Parent ]
    to big tent's point (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:17:25 PM EST
    from the south carolina memo to jjjr's katrina comment, this is something they've clearly been discussing, behind closed door- and not just as a sociological phenomenon. the corporate media gave obama a pass on both of those. if it's mccain, they won't. if that becomes a topic of corporate media conversation, november will not be close.

    [ Parent ]
    well that is not bad for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:24:42 PM EST
    it is bad for the rest of us.  He will find a way to justify the way he has divided the party using race. The loss won't be his fault, he'll blame it on Hillary.
    I have come to despise Obama and if he gets the nomination and is losing I will not feel at all bad doing something besides trying to help him lose by a little less.

    [ Parent ]
    Perhaps (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Steve M on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:26:18 PM EST
    his goal is to unite the country against its common enemy, those racist Clintons.

    [ Parent ]
    Unreal isn't it. I am just bewildered. (none / 0) (#135)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:43:15 PM EST
    Beyond sad or mad.

    [ Parent ]
    always keep in mind (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:27:51 PM EST
    at least one, and possibly two, supreme court seats.

    [ Parent ]
    If it looks like Obama (none / 0) (#164)
    by Boston Boomer on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:59:25 PM EST
    is going to lose MA, I might consider voting for him.  It will depend on whether he takes social security privatization off the table.  Of course if he loses MA, he will probably not take any other states except IL.

    [ Parent ]
    Can someone please explain (3.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:06:33 PM EST
    What is happening?

    Obama won, we don't know by how much. (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:09:14 PM EST
    Obama doesn't want to be known as the black candidate but by making a big deal out of certain comments, that is what will happen. I think.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:10:47 PM EST
    There.  I don't feel ugly.

    I feel informed.

    Thanks.


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