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    My day is mostly spoken for (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:35:13 AM EST
    since my husband's unit is doing that live fire exercise today.  This is a nondeploying post so what they are doing today is an odd happening.  Most soldiers spend their weekends at home when they are here and their spouses come to depend on that so often get weekend employment.  I don't adore kids or anything like that, I just think they should be treated like people too and the next thing I know the house is full of them for the day because I'm perceived as a good person for them to hang out with.  Wait till I'm done influencing them ;)  The first one got here though at 4:00 am as the soldiers were leaving for their exercise.  It was not my finest hour.

    I feel your pain. My nephew-in-law is on (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Teresa on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:52:54 AM EST
    his third tour in Iraq. My niece and he have five kids and they were here visiting this week. I would lose my mind.

    I got to talk to my nephew on the web cam. He was supposed to come home on leave in December and believe it or not, the Army left his name off the list. Anyway, we found out Thursday that he is coming in April for sure. We're so excited.

    One of the kids is just eleven months old and hasn't seen his dad since June 4. He talks to the baby on the web cam and says "hi Andy, it's your Daddy, the computer screen".

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    Bloomie is bankrolling the NY Senate Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    Instead of bickering about candidates (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:53:04 AM EST
    today what do you all think about the Dan Siegelman case in Alabama?

    I've been following it for some time.

    I don't watch MSNBC anymore, refuse to help their ratings by even one viewer, but I check out the great work Dan Abrams is doing on Crooks and Liars. Were it not for him the excellent 60 Minutes piece would have just dropped into the cable dustbin and never been mentioned again.

    And can anyone tell me why the Democrats continue to allow their own to be treated this way? It's one thing, and a disgusting thing, that they seemingly allow their candidates to be savaged by the media with barely a whimper but this man was targeted by the Republicans and ended up in jail. HE was not allowed to stay out of jail pending appeal as some other felons, does the name Scooter ring a familiar note, have. The whole things stinks to high heaven.

    Ooops, this (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:04:25 PM EST
    Loved it! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:10:48 PM EST
    Thank you.

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    I don't know if this profile of Axelrod (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Practically Lactating on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:08:49 PM EST
    has previously been discussed on Talk Left, but I was just reading it and thought I would link to it and put some interesting snippets out there.
    Obama's Narrator

    On creating an authentic character for the candidate:

    There are a variety of problems of political communication that the industry's operatives spend their time obsessing over. One, which obsessed James Carville, is persuasion: How do you persuade people who believe one thing to believe another? A second, the big one for Joe Trippi, is commitment: What motivates your party's loyalists to go to the polls in larger numbers? But Axelrod has become animated by a more basic challenge of political communication, the problem of breaking through, of sounding different and new. Axelrod says that the way to cut through all the noise is to see campaigns as an author might, to understand that you need not just ideas but also a credible and authentic character, a distinct politics rooted in personality. ("David breaks them down," Peter Giangreco, a Chicago direct-mail consultant who often works with Axelrod, told me. "Who is your mother? Who is your father? Why are you doing this?") This, Axelrod says, is what Karl Rove understood about George W. Bush. "One of the reasons Bush has succeeded in two elections," Axelrod says, "is that in his own rough-hewn way he has conveyed a sense of this is who I am, warts and all." For Obama, because of Senator Hillary Clinton's far-greater experience and establishment backing, this is a particularly essential project. "If we run a conventional campaign and look like a conventional candidacy, we lose," Axelrod says.

    Lessons learned from previous elections:

    Every veteran political operative has his batch of lessons learned. From his experience running the antic, aggressive Emanuel's campaign for Congress, he realized that the way to deal with your client's perceived flaws is to embrace them and not run from them. When he ran Tom Vilsack's campaign for governor of Iowa, he learned that the smoothest way to beat back a staunch social conservative message is to attack not the content but "the over-the-top negativism" that often accompanies it. From some advisory work he did for Bill Clinton during the 1996 campaign, when he wrote the memo that introduced the phrase "Bridge to the 21st century" into the political vernacular, Axelrod learned that for a Democrat the future always trumps the past. He says he also learned from Clinton that a pol's biggest task is "to narrow the distance between the people and government." From a distance, he watched Karl Rove help George Bush win two terms as president by "understanding that every election is a reaction to the last president" and then in 2004 by "figuring out how to make Bush's stubbornness into a political virtue."

    The product of a journalist/advertiser and a psychologist:

    Axelrod and his sister, Joan, grew up in Manhattan, the children of two Jewish liberals -- a mother who worked as a journalist at PM, a left-wing newspaper of the 1940's, and later ran focus groups for an advertising firm, and a psychologist father.

    On how Clinton helped Susan Axelrod's epilepsy foundation:

    "She couldn't stop talking about what she had seen," Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton's behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was "one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy." And this is how politics works: David Axelrod is now dedicated to derailing this woman's career.


    Identity Politics (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Practically Lactating on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:49:05 PM EST
    This is the piece I have been waiting for, the acknowledgment that identity politics has always played a role in elections.

    The term "identity politics" is particularly salient this cycle because we have two candidates representing typically under-represented communities, but I have yet to hear much analysis of how identity effects the voting habits of white men.  The underlying presumption seems to be that white men do not vote on identity while minorities do. This presumption is both incorrect and offensive.

    After all, Clinton and Obama and their supporters aren't playing "identity politics" any more than John Kerry's supporters did in 2004, or George W. Bush's did in 2000. It's absurd to suggest that the Andover-Yale-Harvard-bred Bush adopting a swagger and thickening his Texas accent, or John Kerry riding a borrowed Harley onto The Tonight Show set, was anything other than identity politics. And after several early primaries, as it became clear that white men most strongly supported John Edwards, nobody accused them of playing identity politics. Nope, that distinction is reserved for people who have historically not been in positions of political power. In short, you can't be a white guy voting for another white guy and still play the identity game.

    Solidarity Politics

    Walmart promoting Armageddon (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:50:20 PM EST
    Last night, while perusing Walmarts decidedly deficient book section, I counted six different books by six different -- apparently divinly inspired -- authors, all promoting that particularly  unhinged, (blood) red state version of God's love that requires that all good Christians aid in an immdiate ethnic cleansing of "the Holy Land" (praise  Jesus); urge our leaders to begin a bombing campaign against Iran (praise Jesus again); completely sever all ties with the U.N (praise his name); all as a precurser to the commencement of the Lord's good work of plunging the Middle East, and eventually, the rest of the world, in a final, "cleansing" holocaust to warm the cockles of any world hating Taliban's heart.

    Is this just Walmart feeding an already existent hunger (and market),or, is it attempting to nurture one?

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    The Audacity of the Obama Campaign (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by BrandingIron on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:00:55 PM EST
    I hope this link works.

    Basically, salon owner Jacob Neal kicked the Obama campaign and Alfre Woodward (co-star of "Desperate Housewives") out of his salon for shilling Obama.

    What is important to note about this is that Neal had no idea what was going on, and when he confronted the Obama campaign staffer, the staffer stupidly said (remember, they said this to Jacob Neal's face) that "Jacob Neal cleared it for the Obama campaign and Woodward to be here." The sheer audacity of the Obama campaign shines again.

    In other "Housewives" news, Eva Longoria stated her support for Senator Clinton.


    2 interesting general election polls you (none / 0) (#5)
    by tigercourse on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:59:58 AM EST
    likely haven't seen. In Google blogs search for "McCain Obama Pensylvania" or "McCain Obama Missouri". 2 local poll companies show up with results. McCain wins in both states.

    Gators Comment (none / 0) (#6)
    by Paladin on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:12:03 AM EST
    I live in LA and I predict this will be UCLA's year.  The Gators had their turn.

    hey, anybody in texas? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Klio on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:14:00 AM EST
    I drove down today to volunteer in Abilene to help GOTV.  Wanna join me?  :-)

    New Obama Video: shark jumping time! (none / 0) (#8)
    by diplomatic on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:15:47 AM EST
    Anyone see the new video full of celebrities chanting Obama, Obama, Obama...?  Yikes...

    Self-parody at its finest, in my opinion:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

    yikes, indeed (none / 0) (#23)
    by irene adler on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:11:24 PM EST
    personally, i can't stand that kind of smarmy stuff. the chanting crowd was particularly creepy.

    and did you notice the opening frames that say 'We are one/We are the ones" has just the letter 'R' in red? interesting choice, that. i'm a graphic designer so things like that jump out at me. it made me laugh when i saw it.


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    even worse (none / 0) (#30)
    by diplomatic on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 08:58:22 PM EST
    thanks for pointing that out.

    I just don't trust where this Obama stuff is going...  We shouldn't be rushing to idolize politicians.  Especially if we hardly know them.

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    Oh yea, but can those college kids do this? (none / 0) (#9)
    by diplomatic on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:20:55 AM EST
    Lakers in action:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=38DOBtl2H74

    great highlight, no?

    I was at that game! (none / 0) (#13)
    by Paladin on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:36:49 AM EST
    That was an incredible play, among others.  Yes, the Lakers rock and we're fortunate to have the best two teams (pro and college)!

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    OMG diplomatic (none / 0) (#10)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:23:37 AM EST
    I couldn't even make it through the whole video--totally creeps me out, just like the other one.  The chanting of Obama--hello--cult of personality much?

    Texas polls turning Hillary's way? (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:26:59 AM EST
    Maybe that phone ad will do the trick.  It was the big story on page one of both the LA Times and the NY Times this morning....

    The tracking poll of a Houston T.V. station showed Hillary in the lead in Texas, the only state where the ad is showing...  It was only a one point change from the day before....

    The Zogby tracking poll shows a 2 point erosion with Obama now only 2% ahead.  Zogby said Friday's polling was very hard on Obama.....

    So, maybe the daisy chain ad redux will work....The problem is that in order for Hillary to win the nomination, she will need to convince superdelegates to vote for someone with fewer elected delegates.  In order to do that, it will take weeks of division.

    Bottom line:  If Obama doesn't take Texas, then McCain wins because a protracted Democratic race (regardless of who wins) will give McCain what he needs.  And, if Hillary wins, bye, bye enthusiasm and all those deluded Obama fans.....  

    the tracking poll surveyed before the ad (none / 0) (#31)
    by diplomatic on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 09:00:19 PM EST
    the effect of the ad couldn't have been reflected in that tracking poll, positive or negative.

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    Not that I care much (none / 0) (#12)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:34:16 AM EST
    but where's Richardson's endorsement?  Man, he is like the boy that cried wolf.  

    And is anyone surprised that Biden hasn't endorsed HRC?  Not just the experience factor they share, but they sat together at the SOTU, and then I thought for sure after the plagiarism scandal (not that resentment of someone else is the best reason to support their rival).  It would have been nice to counter Dodd.  

    Richardson (none / 0) (#26)
    by BrandingIron on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 05:59:03 PM EST
    Soledad O'Brien tried to get him to spit it out last night but he wouldn't.  She was even prodding him towards Clinton because her language on the issues seemed to echo Richardson's, but Richardson just laughed/snorted at O'Brien's attempts to get him to endorse.

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    Richardson (none / 0) (#28)
    by Foxx on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:26:49 PM EST
    He's my governor. I sure hope he waits until after the Rezko and NOI stuff is fully out. I wrote and told him so.

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    Richardson has probably been told by Clinton... (none / 0) (#32)
    by diplomatic on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST
    to keep his endorsement and not bother.  Too little, too late, no thanks.

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    Questions for the smart economic People (none / 0) (#14)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 11:38:11 AM EST
    1.I know there are things that are wrong with NAFTA but can't they be fixed? Is it really front to back-left to right just goshawful?

    2. Isn't a large part of the economic woes in this country caused by the fact that companies have moved their manufacturing facilities to China and the jobs with them? And isn't that more of a problem than NAFTA?

    I tend to believe the latter but I'm no expert. I would just like to know more about it before condeming one candidate or another over supporting NAFTA and CAFTA.

    Ya gotta watch this: (none / 0) (#15)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:04:00 PM EST


    My pleasure :) (none / 0) (#18)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:15:17 PM EST


    Posting here, like a good girl (none / 0) (#19)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:18:42 PM EST
    US presidential candidate Barack Obama dropped another hint about his foreign-policy thinking on Thursday, saying European governments had to pull their weight in Afghanistan and not rely so much on the United States to do the "dirty work" against Taliban fighters.

    Pull their weight? What an outrageous crock.  Is that any way to treat allies that are doing us a favor?

    Link to Turkana's post on this

    (I am ispired by a reply to my post of this in another thread to say: Hey maybe if Obama had held his Europe-NATO committee meetings, he'd understand our relationship with NATO in Afghanistan a little better....just a thought.)

    ugh (none / 0) (#20)
    by Nasarius on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:28:11 PM EST
    It's lovely to see Obama rising above partisanship to agree with Robert Gates.

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    jeralyn & btd, (none / 0) (#25)
    by kangeroo on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 04:33:02 PM EST
    have you guys been following the don siegelman story at all?  it's yet another nightmare these days that i'm utterly shocked by.  maybe i'm just not cynical enough yet.

    Senator Clinton's going to be on SNL tonight. (none / 0) (#29)
    by BrandingIron on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 08:15:00 PM EST
    I don't know if it's been posted anywhere yet, but she's going to make an appearance on SNL tonight.  That's why she suddenly left Texas (but will be back ASAP!).

    link

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