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Texas Democrats Debate: Pre-Debate Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:07:44 PM EST
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Here's a pre-debate thread for CNN's debate tonight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Until it starts, please post your comments on tonight's debate, expectations, predicitions, etc. here.

The live blog, once it starts, will be here.

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    Texas Democrats Debate: Pre-Debate Thread | 49 comments (49 topical)

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    Sorry (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:15:20 PM EST
    we really were filling up the debate thread already.

    I have to  say Jeralyn, you've got yourself a vibrant and smart community right now. You must be doing something right.

    so, who thinks (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by NJDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:17:06 PM EST
    Obama do  the whole 'pull out chair'routine tonight?

    oh, you shouldn't have reminded me of (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:24:33 PM EST
    that! Maybe she'll pull out his.

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    grrrr! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:30:46 PM EST
    The chair!  Oh, man--where is Cream when we need her?!

    I gotta say, I am really annoyed the debate is going to make me Tivo Lost.

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    Here I yam and, yes, she (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:11:03 PM EST
    pulled out her own chair, from what I could see.

    Of course I was watching.  I'm into symbolism, and I know the candidates are attentive to it.  Thus, I note that the Sisterhood of the Pantsuit is seeing tonight an austere outfit, far less colorful than in past.  She's dressed like the men in black, black, black.  She means business tonight, people. . . .

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    I really like that idea. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:31:51 PM EST


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    Give me a break! (none / 0) (#5)
    by ROK on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:28:38 PM EST
    There is nothing wrong with pulling out her chair! Chivalry is frowned upon here too, huh?

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    He was countering "The Snub" (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:32:29 PM EST
    and made sure the photographers got it.

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    Twice. Especially in the beginning. He turned (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:39:10 PM EST
    toward them and posed.

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    will this be on cspan? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by seabos84 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:46:28 PM EST
    it is kind of annoying that I have to send mroe to the scumbags at comcast in order to watch these dumb channels like msnbc and cnn

    I got a problem with PAYING for propaganda.

    rmm.

    thanks for live blogging debate :) (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Josey on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:49:12 PM EST


    We'll all be exhausted before it (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:52:00 PM EST
    even starts.

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    Not me. I just drank a large Red Bull. (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:54:07 PM EST
    I'll be commenting to myself later tonight.

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    I seem to do that alot. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:20:52 PM EST
    You know you are talking to yourself when all the recent comments listed are yours (or mine).

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    They are going to ask her about why she is (none / 0) (#4)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:27:55 PM EST
    continuing. I hope she does a New Hampshire without tearing up. She needs to let people know that she needs their help and why it matters so much who we have as President at this time for our country. It's not the time to take on an unproven.

    Who is moderating? Not Wolf?

    are they really goign to ask her (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by A DC Wonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:32:31 PM EST
    why she is continuing?  That's an awfully stupid question imho.  OTOH, it's also a "softball" question, because it's essentially the same question as "why are you running."

    Whatever . . . we'll see.

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    Without a doubt (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:33:25 PM EST
    Probably the first question.

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    Second question (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:35:58 PM EST
    Why is Hillary determined to overturn democracy and the will of the people?

    that one will be for Obama.

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    Funny. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:36:42 PM EST


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    The mods have a strong chance (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:37:07 PM EST
    of putting everyone to sleep by asking 10 minutes of questions about the Super Delegates.

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    Expect it (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:37:54 PM EST
    I expect a half hour of how horrible Hillary is for not dropping out this evening.

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    that'd be silly (none / 0) (#24)
    by A DC Wonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:42:45 PM EST
    because both candidates will attack the question/questioner on that.

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    have you watched the other debates? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:44:47 PM EST
    "silly" seems to be a thematic element for most of the moderators.

    With the exception of Russert, of course, who just goes for "ookey gym teacher who watches you change in the locker room before gym."

    And I do mean the female gym teacher.

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    <spewed soda at that one> (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:13:30 PM EST
    as I haven't thought of Mrs. Zembinski for years, since she came in the showers with us. . . .

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    So, you DID e mail CNN? (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:43:50 PM EST
    OR perhaps they read the Guardian and sd. "aha."

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    Nope and nope (none / 0) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:46:48 PM EST


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    What does a live blogger of a Pres. (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:49:40 PM EST
    debate do to be ready for kick off?  Besides commenting on a blog, that is.

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    do you think that is a valid question (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:37:13 PM EST
    Huckabee, yes, but Clinton has won the most populous states so far and is not that far behind in the delegate count.  Mathematically, she could make it impossible for Obama to get the number needed to win while she walks away with the popular vote count.  Either way, the superdelegates (as we have discussed to death) decide who gets the nom.  Does that mean she is the spoiler or that he is?  Couldn't you just as easily turn the question back on Obama?

    I guess this raises my earlier question: what to do if Clinton has the popular vote and Obama has the delegates?

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    Of course it is not (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:38:40 PM EST
    And to be clear, that will not be the exact wording of the question, merely the implication of the question.

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    d'oh (none / 0) (#25)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:43:13 PM EST
    You really think that'll be the first question out of the gate?  

    I was trying to think of an alternative, because they always seem to lead off with what is at that moment in the news, and I don't think for a second they'll start with the McCain/NY Times crap.  I suppose Pouffle's comment to the Guardian would be a valid line of inquiry.  I think it'll put Obama on the spot big time, because there are not a lot of ways to answer that question without looking like an arrogant jacka*s.

    So, what I am saying is, yes--I hope they start with that question.

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    I think its more likely they'll ask (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:45:20 PM EST
    about Bill's comments yesterday:  vote for my wife in TX and Ohio or she's toast already.

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    That would be good for Hillary (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:47:56 PM EST
    But in some sense, they might. They probably do not know it is good for Hillary.

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    sure there is! (none / 0) (#36)
    by A DC Wonk on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:49:17 PM EST
    I suppose Pouffle's comment to the Guardian would be a valid line of inquiry.  I think it'll put Obama on the spot big time, because there are not a lot of ways to answer that question without looking like an arrogant jacka*s.

    All he has to do is say that Pouffle was referring to the current delegate count, how few primaries are left, etc etc.  He could say pretty much anything, because I don't think the public is aware of Pouffle's remarks.  And then he says, "but, look, what this election is really about is . . . "

    It's a softball question for either of them.

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    They do not even know what Plouffe said (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:51:45 PM EST
    much less have a question formulated about it.

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    hehn? (none / 0) (#42)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:53:36 PM EST
    In my pre-debate excitement, I must've missed your point entirely.  I thought you said the first question would be about this very thing?

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    I deleted my comments in the other thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:31:19 PM EST
    and some from Oculus and andgarden. They are my friends and while they probably mind they won't complain too loudly.

    It was my thesis! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:33:25 PM EST


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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:34:37 PM EST
    No backups?

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    Of course, we never would have (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:33:58 PM EST
    noticed if you hadn't mentioned it.

    BTW:  how about a post in the near future on your view of Cuba's future, say for the next 10 years?  

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    Same as it ever was (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:34:57 PM EST
    Bad.

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    I'm curious to know if you think (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by lilburro on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:38:09 PM EST
    Clinton should/will still be Obama's VP

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    don't forget he put his hand (none / 0) (#27)
    by NJDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:44:37 PM EST
    on the small of her back too--that's was what I found a little over the top.  And I'm dying to know what they wishered to each other when they 'hugged' at the end.

    Does anyone know if Wolf is co-moderating?  I thought I also read that they'll be taking quesitons from the audience--that "could" be interesting.  

    Man, I'm nervous for them.  

    Maybe he'll give her a neck massage. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:48:29 PM EST
    I hope they ask about Florida counting or not. Put them on the record again.

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    what they said when they hugged (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:55:31 PM EST
    "Mmm...smells like teen spirit"

    I've always assumed that questions are prepped.  No one in the audience is going to be allowed to ask anything heavy.  We are about as democratic as an Iraqi newspaper in that regard.  Who gets to stand where, who goes first, who has what lighting, etc--it's all hashed out beforehand.  Even the mic'ing is debated before the debate.

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    is it just me (none / 0) (#32)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:47:08 PM EST
    or with that plastic water bottle, does that pic Jeralyn chose remind you of one of Coke's 1980's era ads that were meant to promote the idea that they practiced diversity of their company?

    "Democracy: It's the Real Thing!"

    If I were Hilary (none / 0) (#38)
    by Saul on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:49:42 PM EST
    right before the questioning starts I would go over to him and pat him on the back.  Just to show that there are no hard feelings.  Just a shame to me that they are not together on a ticket.  That would make every one happy and cinch the election

    maybe pat him on the small of the (none / 0) (#39)
    by pukemoana on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:51:14 PM EST
    back?  and pull out his chair?

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    just not on the head (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:55:52 PM EST


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    ok, please come back to the live thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:05:44 PM EST
    it's open now and you can comment.

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