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Valerie Plame Responds to Karl Rove's Latest Statement


Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson have just released this statement responding to Karl Rove's latest comments about PlameGate (no link, received by e-mail):

“In a December 7th interview discussing his upcoming tell-all book with Cox News, Karl Rove asserted that it was Richard Armitage, not he, who was responsible for the betrayal of CIA covert officer Valerie Plame Wilson. As usual, he shades the truth.

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On July 17, 2005, Matthew Cooper, then of Time magazine, wrote that on July 11, 2003, Mr. Rove told him “[Ms. Wilson] worked at the ‘agency’,” and by that, he told the Grand Jury investigating the Wilson leak, he “inferred that [Mr. Rove] obviously meant the CIA and not, say, the Environmental Protection Agency.” Cooper continued, “Mr. Rove added that she worked on ‘WMD’ issues and that she was responsible for sending [Ambassador] Wilson.”

This was three days before the publication of Robert Novak’s infamous article. Mr. Novak himself later confirmed that Mr. Rove was his second source, again before the publication of the article. Irrespective of Mr. Armitage’s role in Ms. Wilson’s betrayal, it is irrefutable that Mr. Rove was also independently leaking her name to members of the press prior to publication of Mr. Novak’s article. He is also responsible for her betrayal.

We would welcome Mr. Rove’s authorizing the release of his interviews with Special Counsel Fitzgerald and his testimony before the Grand Jury. The public deserves the whole truth of Mr. Rove’s involvement. President Bush once said he regretted Mr. Rove’s lack of candor. So do we.”

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    this, (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by cpinva on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:25:22 AM EST
    like the lincoln and kennedy assassinations, will provide grist for the mill for the next hundred years.

    won't karl rove just please go away! preferably to another planet, but i'll accept another country.

    What country (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by TomStewart on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:17:43 AM EST
    would have him?

    [ Parent ]
    How about.... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:08:41 PM EST
    Somalia. Chief Pirate, Rove. Arr

    [ Parent ]
    No one would believe him (none / 0) (#29)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:55:12 PM EST
    ... as the Dread Pirate Roberts.

    MAYBE the Dread Booty Pirate Robert...

    [ Parent ]

    I don't want him to go away at all (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 10:57:35 AM EST
    because he'll just crawl under some rock and wait for a good time to crawl back out again.  Stay in the limelight Karl so that the Wilsons and all the rest of us can continue to ask hard questions and for the release of your interviews and testimony.  Bring it Karl, and until you do we are just going to keep pointing out you aren't bringing it.

    [ Parent ]
    Draft Val Plame for DCI! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by SeeEmDee on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:38:52 AM EST
    Now that would be sweet revenge...

    To Out (none / 0) (#30)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:58:22 PM EST
    a secret soldier of the Republic is treason.

    The people who did this need to be tried and convicted. Since Justice of this type will never come, perhaps we should just abandon the rule of law altogether, and be satisfied with some kind of political payback.

    (Not trying to be snarky, and I agree with you, just so fed up with our System that seems incapable of producing "just" results.)

    [ Parent ]

    It amazes me (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:54:22 AM EST
    that the wingnut zombie army still goes around repeating "Armitage was the leaker" ad infinitum, as if Armitage's actions somehow made Rove and Libby's actions disappear.

    If you're on the phone with a reporter telling them the name of a covert CIA operative, that's scummy and it doesn't become any less scummy if, unbeknownst to you, someone else happened to leak the name to a different reporter a couple days previously.  (Fitzgerald seemed to accept that Armitage's leak was inadvertent, but it doesn't matter either way.)

    But somehow, leaking the name of a covert CIA operative is fine and dandy, as long as "no crime was committed" thereby.  Well, okay, that's a great standard to go by.  Oh, and she wasn't "really" covert, because some right-wing columnist told me so.

    Mrs. Wilson was not covert.. (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:30:33 AM EST
    and before you start telling us that the CIA said she was....

    1. Why didn't they wave off Novak when he called before he wrote the story?

    2. Why haven't they provided some proof?

    3. Why was her cover so poor?

    4. Why did she go to work everyday at Langley?

    5. Why did her husband write an article that he had to have known would bring attention to him and his wife?


    [ Parent ]
    Oh please (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:40:48 AM EST
    You want me to believe that the CIA made a referral to the DOJ over the identity of a totally non-covert desk jockey?  Give me a break.  The notion that anyone who works at CIA headquarters couldn't possibly be covert is amateur-hour reasoning.

    Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame was covert and said so in court filings.  The reason he couldn't prosecute anyone for IIPA violations, as he explained to the court, is that Libby's obstruction of justice made it impossible for him to establish the knowledge and intent requirements of the statute.  But the notion that she wasn't covert is, frankly, for the dead-enders at this point.

    [ Parent ]

    Dead ender (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:50:37 AM EST
    that would be Jimakappj to a T.

    [ Parent ]
    Merry Fitzmas Molly! (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 01:21:45 PM EST
    I see that your nastiness has survived intact.

    Along with your willingness to believe all bad about the Repubs and all good about Left Wing Demos!

    [ Parent ]

    I can only go with the evidence we have (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 01:37:42 PM EST
    not the evidence you wish we had.

    How you been surviving the election? Mass quantities of alcohol?

    [ Parent ]

    supplemented (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 01:43:25 PM EST
    by a strict enema regime.

    [ Parent ]
    Along with a side order (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 02:18:29 PM EST
    of earplugs and blinders, and a complimentary "Free Libby!" pin.

    [ Parent ]
    jondee (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 02:43:53 PM EST
    Naughty boy, I see you are projecting again!

    [ Parent ]
    heh (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 02:40:21 PM EST
    Molly, you are so biased towards the Left that you must carry a brick in your right pocket to keep you from walking in circles.

    As for the election, I am doing quite well, thank you, McCain never stirred much emotion in me, although I did vote for him.. His anti-choice, anti-gay and pro cultural sojourners (aka illegal aliens) positions were major turn offs.

    However, based on the short time we have had with your Chosen One it appears that what you have chosen is just another Chicago Machine politician.

    My congratulations.

    [ Parent ]

    Those grapes were sour anyway.... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:12:11 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Sour grapes?? (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    Yes, many Hillary backers picked a lug of them.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm betting (none / 0) (#54)
    by cal1942 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:46:19 AM EST
    on his congenital self-delusion.

    [ Parent ]
    "Left-wing Demos" ARE good, of course (none / 0) (#55)
    by cymro on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 02:21:05 AM EST
    If someone can accurately be described as a "left-wing Democrat", then why would I NOT think well of them?

    Unlike you, I value left-wing ideals -- as do many other readers of this blog. If you imagine that you can use "left-wing" as a pejorative term here, you must be confused about your audience.

    [ Parent ]

    Actually I use (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:49:13 AM EST
    it as a descriptive.

    You may assign whatever value to that you desire.

    Free speech and all that stuff.

    [ Parent ]

    Perjorative would be more accurate (none / 0) (#70)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:42:32 PM EST
    and honest.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh really? (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 01:19:08 PM EST
    If you were a covert agent, complete with a fictional name and background, would you go work at CIA headquarters???

    Surely you are smarter than that.

    At one time she had been, but was brought in because she had been outed.

    [ Parent ]

    jim, your (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by cpinva on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:23:11 PM EST
    question is better directed to the CIA,

    If you were a covert agent, complete with a fictional name and background, would you go work at CIA headquarters???

    who decided she was a covert agent, regardless of where her duty station was at the time.

    you are the classic example of the shameless, guiltless conservative, who repeats (multiple times) discredited talking points, ad inifinitum, as though they've just now been discovered.

    you are a robot, programmed, at the push of a button, to spew forth the mantra, facts notwithstanding. facts just bounce off of you.

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe they let her (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 01:29:02 PM EST
    in the back door, the way Rove used let his brother-in-slime Abramoff in.

    [ Parent ]
    Because Fitzpatrick was wrong? (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:04:58 PM EST
    Link

    Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.

    Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

    FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

    Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

    But Mr. Novak was not the first reporter to be told that Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, Ambassador Wilson's wife Valerie, worked at the CIA. Several other reporters were told.

    In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson.

    1.  He was, but Novak doesn't think he was 'waved off.

    circa 10 July 2003-11 July 2003: Novak called Bill Harlowe, then CIA spokesman, to confirm information regarding Plame and Wilson. According to Novak, Harlow denied that Plame "suggested" that Wilson be selected for the trip, and Harlow stated instead that CIA "counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him."[36] According to Harlow, he "warned Novak in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information", that Wilson's wife had not authorized the mission and that if Novak did write about it, her name should not be revealed. Harlow said that after Novak's call, he checked Plame's status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame's name should not be used. According to Harlow, however, he did not tell Novak directly that Plame was undercover because that information was classified.[37]

    According to Novak, not only did Harlowe not tell Novak that Plame was undercover, he actually told Novak that "she probably never again would be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause 'difficulties.'" Novak states that if he had been told that disclosure of Plame's name would endanger her or anyone else, he would not have disclosed the name.[38]

    2. You forgot what Fitzpatrick said in his press conference:

    FITZGERALD: That's the way this investigation was conducted. It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.

    So it would seem obvious that he felt that he couldn't and/or shouldn't.

    The facts that Rove had to change his testimony before the grand jury and Libby getting convicted of making false statements to federal prosecutors are just a coincidence.

    1.  It wasn't.

    2. The fact is, her status was unknown to her neighbors and friends, many of whom would've know that she 'commuted to Langly.  Of course, you know more than Michael Hayden does about the matter.

    3. He didn't know that it would lead to his wife's cover being blown by Rove et al, but then he probably never thought he'd go up against someone
    more ruthless than Saddam in his lifetime.

    [ Parent ]
    You write (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 02:48:18 PM EST
    Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

    Ah yes. Yes indeed. I am sure that our enemies were going around asking her neighbors if she was a secret agent...

    That's a howler.

    yadda yadda guy. You are gettin weaker and weaker.

    [ Parent ]

    Why bother with neighbors (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ff11 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 02:56:44 PM EST
    When the Bush administration was only too happy and eager to provide our enemies with all the classified information they needed?

    [ Parent ]
    Hey, if you can provide a link (none / 0) (#21)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 03:19:04 PM EST
    to your so-far unsupported assertion about her "commuting to Langly", that would be interesting.

    Instead you engage in pseudo-risible remarks and blather that demonstrates all the emotional control of a 7-year old.

    You ignore what Fitzpatrick said in his press conference, because you read on some blog that "she commuted to Langly".

    You are gettin weaker and weaker.

    You need a browser with a spell checker, may I suggest SeaMonkey?

    You're getting sloppier and sloppier, your habit of shouting "Surrender" when on the losing side of things is almost pitable when it isn't comic in the extreme.

    Yadda-yadda-yaddah.

    [ Parent ]

    So you circle back and ignore the point. (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:04:16 PM EST
    The point was, is and will be that she wasn't covert. Covert agents do not drive to work everyday at CIA headquarters,

    I trust that isn't too complex a concept.

    Cheers!

    [ Parent ]

    It's kinda funny (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:26:09 PM EST
    how this argument remains an article of faith among the wingnuts, despite the total lack of any evidence, and no matter how many actual people from the CIA tell them they're wrong.

    [ Parent ]
    I assume you also trust and believe everything (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:19:57 PM EST
    the CIA tells you.

    Shall we next discuss rendition?

    [ Parent ]

    And back again (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ff11 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM EST
    I'm sorry to point out that you have no point.  The testimony of anonymous internet posters notwithstanding, the CIA specifically stated that she was a covert agent.  Not to mention, you were asked to provide a reference substantiating your claim that she openly commuted to CIA headquarters and have failed to do so.

    [ Parent ]
    Who are we suppose to believe, PPJ (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:48:28 PM EST
    or that liars, Hayden and Fiztpatrick?

    [ Parent ]
    yadda yadda (1.50 / 2) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:20:18 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    ya left jim speechless (none / 0) (#38)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:24:56 PM EST
    or unable to communicate intelligently.

    [ Parent ]
    As they say in the South, (or so I've been told) (none / 0) (#40)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:33:08 PM EST
    "It's the hit dog that barks."


    [ Parent ]
    Yadda yadda (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:14:45 PM EST
    Is this secret code DA and I share.

    Only I know what it means.

    He thinks he knows.

    [ Parent ]

    Tell me what color car I drive, oh wise one (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:58:57 PM EST
    don't you find the mind-reading shtick gets old, like here with scarshapedstar?:
    I haven't read Kos in about a year, but I have no idea why I need instructions from Our Dark Lord KOS (apparently a heretofore unknown acronym) to state the obvious. You and the other True Believers are the only ones telling Bush to do this, and God bless you for it, because you will be his undoing. :)

    Now, that's a prediction that came true ;)

    [ Parent ]

    I calls them as I sees them. (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:51:46 AM EST
    And no, I won't tell you the secret code so stop begging.

    ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    The only secret (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 08:33:08 AM EST
    is in your mind, and begging isn't something I do with morons.

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    You shouldn't blame anyone else ... (none / 0) (#56)
    by cymro on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 02:49:05 AM EST
    ... for Jim's inability to communicate intelligently.

    [ Parent ]
    I also don't provide links (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
    that say the sun comes up every morning.

    If you aren't aware of that Mrs. Wilson worked at CIA headquarters and went their daily then you:

    a. will want proof that the sun comes up.

    b. have read none of the various testimony, some by Plame herself.

    tata

    [ Parent ]

    you studiously avoid the word openly (none / 0) (#39)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:26:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If the fact is as easy to prove (none / 0) (#41)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:44:54 PM EST
    as "The Sun comes up in the East", then finding links to support PPJ's specific assertion that he brought to this thread should be easy even for a retired telecom executive salesman type to accomplish.

    Notice how he reframes by harping on the one point after his others have been unequivocally  shattered to pieces here?

    Notice that he seems to be unable to tell us why Fitzpatrick and Hayden were wrong?(unless 'Yadda yadda' is meant to be an explanation in some exotic tongue that in English is something like, "Shut up! You're making too much sense!")

    For the 4th day in a row, thanks for the laughs, PPJ.

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    Ah yes, DA declares victory and marches off (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:13:18 PM EST
    to the tune of "The World Turned Upside Down."

    yadda yadda

    [ Parent ]

    Nah, you do the 'declaring victory' shtick (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:40:21 PM EST
    better than anyone else here, PPJ, I don't know why the concept that anyone else could excel you in this seems to be so irritating.

    "The World Turned Upside-Down" would apply if you ever brought facts and reasoning to your screeds here and there, that would be worth marching to.

    [ Parent ]

    Keep marching (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:53:22 AM EST
    your left,  your left

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, all you're left with again (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 08:37:08 AM EST
    is your content-free allegations.

    Thanks for the laughs for the 5th day in a row.

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    If you want to claim Joe smuggled her in (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:03:46 PM EST
    the trunk of his car then please do so. I never get in the way of the opposition making dumb claims.

    Reframe. Reframe.

    Molly is thy name.

    [ Parent ]

    If you yadda so (none / 0) (#52)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:47:21 PM EST
    But, why

    When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity -- sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official cover (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

    Explain dear Yadda, explain.

    [ Parent ]

    Are you confusing me with Yoda? (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:56:12 AM EST
    He is much better looking.

    Perhaps you will be so kind as to favor me with the source of your question?

    Really, such games playing from you? I am shocked. Yes, shocked.

    [ Parent ]

    This is what she meant to say (none / 0) (#65)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 08:43:32 AM EST
       
    My dear mad circus freak, I am beginning to find your intellectually impoverished diaper-wetting rather tedious. Perhaps you might stop behaving like a hopelessly naive neo-bolshy wingnut.

        Bloody tiresome knuckle-dragging mouthbreather.



    [ Parent ]
    Those are the known facts (none / 0) (#69)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 11:35:57 AM EST
    so deal with it in your hypothesis.

    BTW here are a couple of more facts. Aldrich Ames was arrested in 1994. Valerie Plame traveled overseas under cover  in the 2000, 2001 and 2002.

    Explain dear Yadda, explain.

    [ Parent ]

    "Mrs. Wilson"? (none / 0) (#43)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:02:58 PM EST
    Yes, Valerie Plame was just a silly CIA secretary/wifie  Cheney thought so, too.

    Oopsie for him!

    She'll make a great CIA director.  

    [ Parent ]

    Your attempt at sarcasm is silly. (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:10:51 PM EST
    Valerie Plame was a valued employee and a successful covert agent.

    But like most covert agents she was eventually unmasked and brought home, probably in fear that she had been exposed by Aldrich Ames to the Russians, and from them to others. The timing works rather well.

    Inside the US she continued to be, for all reports, an excellent analyst.

    [ Parent ]

    Aldrich Ames and what he knew (none / 0) (#51)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:47:06 PM EST
    Ames was assigned to the CIA's Europe Division/Counterintelligence branch, where he was responsible for directing the analysis of Soviet intelligence operations. He had access to the identities of U.S. sources in the KGB and Soviet military. The information Ames provided led to the compromise of at least 100 U.S. intelligence operations and to the execution of at least 10 U.S. sources. He ultimately gave the Soviet government the names of every American agent working in their country. Altogether, the Soviets paid Ames approximately $4.6 million for his services, allowing Ames to maintain a lifestyle well beyond the means of a normal CIA officer. With the money he earned from spying for the USSR he bought a new Jaguar, jewelry, designer clothing, and a house in the Northern Virginia suburbs valued at $500,000 (paid for in cash). Ames, who struggled with alcoholism, did not have an ideological affinity for the USSR; he was interested only in gaining more money. Before he was caught, he was assigned the task of preparing the damage assessment of Jonathan Pollard's activities, and defenders of Pollard believe that he used the opportunity to attribute to Pollard the act of uncovering CIA agents and assets in the USSR. Ames and his wife liquidated about $2.5 million of the money the Soviets paid him for their personal use, with the Soviets withholding the remaining $2.1 million in a Russian bank account to be utilized once Ames retired from his spying.

    So, let's see VP wasn't in the SU or had infiltrated the KGB or Soviet military, but her name was one that Ames betrayed to his paymasters.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Oh, and before I enjoy myself too much:

    Link

    [ Parent ]

    So your premise is that (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:45:12 AM EST
    since she wasn't in the SU that she would be of no interest to the Soviets??

    Okay. Let me write that down.

    Foreign intelligence services interested only in spies that are assigned to spy on them.

    hahahahahah

    yadda yadda

    [ Parent ]

    No, the premise was that she wasn't (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 08:35:48 AM EST
    in the same area as Ames, so he wouldn't have had access to her name to inform on her to his Soviet masters.

    Seems you're beginning to show your lack of common sense again.

    hahahahahah

    yadda yadda

    Now I'm sure of it ;)

    [ Parent ]

    "Your point" is a typical Conservative (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 11:03:45 AM EST
    circumvent of answering the hard questions about the laws you broke.  I don't have time for it and I never will.  I have a real life to live that requires real answers to the REAL problems at hand.  Outing a CIA agent is treason.  Rove did exactly that.

    [ Parent ]
    If outing Plame was treason (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 09:15:54 PM EST
    then why isn't Armitage scheduled to be hung, or at least a LWOPer??

    All this was a political fight between the CIA and the Bush administration in which the Demos used the JD for a political hit job.

    And they did a masterful job of it.

    [ Parent ]

    It's laughable (none / 0) (#72)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 10:06:22 PM EST
    that you expressed confusion about Armitage's part in the investigation:

    Heck he got a confessiom (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 09, 2008 at 12:49:59 PM EST
    by Armitage and a conviction of Libby..

    The Gov should be a snap.

    I answered you with this post here
     with the details you seem to be concerned about but seem unable to retain from day to day.

    For my minor effort, you were very encouraging:

    You make a career (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 09, 2008 at 06:33:03 PM EST
    of picking trivial points...

    OK..... Armitage and said he was the man and Fitz knew it...

    There. Make you feel better?

    But you're not being picky, not at all.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    You seem to have swallowed (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:10:09 PM EST
    Republican talking point whole. You might want to check your liver for damage.

      1. Why didn't they wave off Novak when he called before he wrote the story?

       2. Why haven't they provided some proof?

       3. Why was her cover so poor?

       4. Why did she go to work everyday at Langley?

       5. Why did her husband write an article that he had to have known would bring attention to him and his wife?


    1. It is not CIA policy to comment on whether or not someone works for the agency.
    2. Substantial proof of her being a NOC, the blackest of the black exists The NOC Program: A Look at Valerie Plame's "Nonofficial Cover" as a CIA Operative
    3. I presume you have some credentials in intelligence work, or are you just talking out of your arse? Her cover was just fine until Cheney et.al. exposed it. Or you can point to SOME or ANY evidence of her cover being blown prior to the TREASON committed by the officials in the White House?
    4. People often work at Langley between assignments. You might think that they could have some classified info there that could use some exposition or analysis.
    5. Why did the husband write an article? Because the GOVERNMENT OF THE US WAS LYING TO ITS CITIZENS ON PURPOSE and he thought we had a right to know. Something enshrined in the 1st Amendment.


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    Reason? You?? Pardon the giggle (2.00 / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:00:16 PM EST
    1. So it is their policy to let a covert agent be exposed. Pardon my harsh judgment but that seems stupid.

    I also don't believe it.

    2. Part of being a covert agent is for the person to NOT serve inside the US for five years.

    Link

    The CIA has offered no proof that she has met the above beyond a claim. As I noted in another comment, shall we next discuss rendition?

    Fitzgerald: As to the critical question of whether Ms. Plame had any cover to blow, Mr. Fitzgerald was equally insouciant: "I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert."

    Link

    While that was not part of his case re Libby, it stretches the imagination that he would have left it out.

    3. I speak the same way I suspect that you do, although it has been my experience that those who make such statements as yours tend to be 100% themselves.

    In your case I shall apologize to all arses for bringing you in for comparison.

    1. I repeat for your education. A covert agent would not be working in Langley. She was an ex-covert agent.

    2. Evidently you read neither Joe Wilson's NYT article, Bush's 03 SOTU or the Senate Intelligence Committee's report.

    a. Wilson was sent to Niger to:

    I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake -- a form of lightly processed ore -- by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's.

    He concluded:

    It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place.

    Link NYT

    And so it stood until Bush's 03 SOTU when Bush said:

    The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide

    Note that Bush was saying what we had learned from the Brits, and that he did not say Iraq had purchased yellowcake. He said they had attempted.

    Now, why did that trigger this from Wilson?

    The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them.

    Why did he find error? After all, this is what he told the CIA.

    The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake...Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.
     .....
    CIA's DO gave the former ambassador's information a grade of "good," which means that it added to the IC's body of understanding on the issue..The reports officer said that a "good" grade was merited because the information responded to at least some of the outstanding questions in the Intelligence Community, but did not provide substantial new information. He said he judged that the most important fact in the report was that the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting.

    What was his beef? Bush didn't dispute his claim that no sale had been made.

    So so much for your statement that he knew the government was lying..... In fact, we know that what he told the CIA was agreed to by the CIA.

    No, his angst towards the government in June '03 was based on his anti war stance, not anything he learned in Niger. His whole article emits a huge cloud of smoke that, when is blown away, says, "Joe Wilson has nothing knew to say."  

    And in fact, some of what he said was in error.

    The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article ("CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid," June 12, 2003) which said, "among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because `the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged." He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself. The former ambassador reiterated that he had been able to collect the names of the government officials which should have been on the documents.

    Link

    I trust this will expand your horizons.

    Have a nice day.

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    Whenever Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are attacked (none / 0) (#20)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 03:17:29 PM EST
    I breathe easily and put my hyper-defense mechanism into sleep mode. They are so supremely capable of cutting any attacker down to size that I feel no need to help except to cheer them on.

    They succeed because they are never (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:05:14 PM EST
    asked any hard questions.

    Anyone can declare victory in a pep rally.

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    Awww......you poor Conservatives of late (4.00 / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 10:59:02 AM EST
    Somebody call a waaaaaambulance please.

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    Plame (none / 0) (#25)
    by Slado on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:19:56 PM EST
    is already enshrined in the lefty hall of fame along with Jimmy Carter and Che.   No matter what facts come out about them it doesn't matter.   They are idols to be worshiped and the left has closed the book on all arguments about them.

    Move on PPJ it's not worth it.

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    Support of Treason (none / 0) (#32)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:12:09 PM EST
    is aiding and abetting the enemy.

    Please report to the nearest FBI office and turn yourself in.

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    Self analysis?? (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:15:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:18:51 PM EST
    you should do that too.

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