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Posted on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:37:27 AM EST
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Update: Wal-Mart worker trampled, dies following Black Friday stampede.

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    Speculation on top of speculation (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:44:00 AM EST
    that Chris Matthews is going to make a run for Senate in PA.

    As a Pennsylvania Democrat, I think he would be a terrible choice and provisionally throw my weight behind Rep. Allyson Schwartz, assuming she decides to run.  

    As soon as I know who will run against him (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:29:32 PM EST
    I will donate heavily to that person's campaign. Tweety cannot be rewarded for his disservice to this country.


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    Oh, and happy, um, digestion day everyone! (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:44:26 AM EST


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    The thought of Chris Matthews (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Radiowalla on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:01 AM EST
    in the Senate has sorely troubled my digestion.

    If our former Media Whore of the Year decides that he should be promoted to the senate, I'll be doing whatever I can to oppose him.
    We don't need anymore sexist jerks in government.

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    I think he won't win the primary (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:09:37 AM EST
    and in any case, it'll be hard to knock off Arlen Specter.

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    I would like to bring back the (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:12:13 AM EST
    Mathews war jingoism.  Some Mathews goodness:  
    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Bob Dornan, you were a congressman all those years. Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?
    for more go here
    Lest we forget.  

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    And his romance with Commander Codpiece (none / 0) (#24)
    by Radiowalla on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:20:38 PM EST
    must never be forgotten.

    Thanks for keeping the flame burning.  

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    Tweety at his finest. (none / 0) (#57)
    by byteb on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:31:11 PM EST
    That one statement alone should disqualify him from elected office.

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    Your right, but let's (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:58:04 AM EST
    look for the silver lining.  The senate run, alone, would take Tweety off cable, and, if worst can to worst and he actually won, how bad could it be to have Specter retired and Mathews speaking empty thoughts to an empty senate chamber.

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    That would be so horrible. (none / 0) (#79)
    by lilburro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:02:11 PM EST
    I am trying to imagine what kind of campaign he would run.  How much time does he even spend in Pennsylvania?

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    I am hoping to move back to PA (none / 0) (#88)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:37:30 PM EST
    by then. It was where I grew up and where most of my family lives.  I will support ANY dem who runs against that misogynistic nasty man.  And if no one is, I think I would do so myself just to make sure every YouTube, Media Matters rendering of his hateful sexism, his drooling over the manly men of the republican party, is seen as much as possible.

    I really cannot stomach Matthews..

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    GAHHHHH (none / 0) (#135)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 02:03:26 AM EST
    Washington Monthly (quoting 538):

    According to multiple sources, who confirmed the Tip O'Neill staffer-cum-MSNBC host has negotiated with veteran Obama staffers to enlist in his campaign, Chris Matthews is likely to run for United States Senate in Pennsylvania in 2010. Matthews, 62, would run as a Democrat. Arlen Specter, the aging Republican incumbent, will be 80 if he chooses to run for re-election.

    Matthews seems like such a moron I doubt his ability to be even borderline competent.  The Obama staffers thing is suggestive.  I hope blogs get over their crush on the Obama team's significant political skills and help boot Matthews back to the shallows of MSNBC.

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    Matthews is 62?! (none / 0) (#136)
    by nycstray on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 04:35:16 AM EST
    All I can say is Thank Dawg we don't get the PA crossover political ads here. I would go nuts if he was running in my state.

    I suspect he'll go the Scranton route. Those poor souls.

    No matter where I'm living, I will support anyone running against him, including Gov Palin. Yeah, I know, not cool, but neither is Matthews. Plus it would never happen, lol!~  ;) I just REALLY want to smack that man. I can't even imagine the outside chance he ends up in the senate. {shudder}

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    Me too. (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 06:26:45 AM EST
    The prospect seriously disturbs me.  As does the fact that the Obama people may think this is a good idea.  If they are helping him as reward for his behavior during the election...well, I don't know what I'll do. I'll figure it out when the time comes.

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    Shop-Vac (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:56:27 AM EST
    omg, I'm an animal!

    But I've wanted one for the longest time, as we do get very heavy rains here, and I'm really not that far from a creek.

    $29.

    I managed to not get a $9 crockpot, $38 vacuum broom and a host of other useless things. And it was so wild, I fled before I checked to see if their Cuisinart ice cream makers or dehydrators are on sale for less than Amazon.

    I also bought presents for the dogs and a ton of house painting stuff because I'm completely painting the inside of my new home - home built 1940, some areas haven't been touched since then and the rest hasn't been painted since the late 1950s. Oy! But I get a deal on primer (which I'm going through like there's no tomorrow) and finally settled on a color for the hallway.

    Be careful out there. It's wild!!!

    Evidentially Very Wild Out There (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:05:56 AM EST
    Witnesses said the surging throngs of shoppers knocked the man down. He fell and was stepped on. As he gasped for air, shoppers ran over and around him.
    "He was bum-rushed by 200 people," said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. "They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too...I literally had to fight people off my back."
    The unidentified victim was rushed to an area hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 6:03 a.m., police said.

    Daily News via Moon of Alabama

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    That is sickening (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:19:17 AM EST
    Jesus people, wake up, if you're in good enough shape to storm the door you have had a lot of access to everything you have "needed" and now you have killed your peers for what you "wanted".  I'm deeply ashamed of and embarassed by my own culture today!

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    Not A Peer (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:22:59 AM EST
    A worker.

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    Hey, I'm a low life....they killed my peer damn it (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:39:14 AM EST


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    Actually (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:51:01 AM EST
    Two of their fellow shoppers got knocked down as well, so I guess the notion of peers is irrelevant. Animal instinct took over, everyman for himself and everywoman for herself.

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    One of those knocked down was pregnant? (none / 0) (#21)
    by blogtopus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
    I'm hoping the person wasn't obviously largely pregnant and looked like a non-pregnant person... otherwise YIKES.

    I wonder if the workers knew something like this would happen, asked Walmart to help with some funds for security, and were rejected? I just don't understand why this happens over and over again, every year, and things aren't changed.

    Oh wait, I do know: Profit. Nevermind.

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    Greed...and competition... (none / 0) (#41)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:51:18 PM EST
    by both the retailer and the 'shoppers.'

    A mob is not an attractive venue.

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    I just updated the post to (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:26:36 AM EST
    include this. So much safer to just buy online. People get crazy in crowds.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#107)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:03:41 PM EST
    The same deals are available online, so why go out?

    To help keep local people working.

    If you don't patronize the businesses in your community, then local people will lose their jobs.

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    Yet another reason (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:31:22 PM EST
    to not shop at Wal-Mart (or any of the Walton-owned companies).

    As though another reason was needed.

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    I'd say it is yet another reason (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:46:09 PM EST
    not to work at Walmart.

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    Absolutely, but without shoppers (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:48:05 PM EST
    there is no Wal-mart.

    And that would do the world a world of good.

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    Yikes (none / 0) (#8)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:11:09 AM EST
    Not surprising, given ...

    What a sad way to go.

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    Wall Street must (none / 0) (#10)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:13:12 AM EST
    be ecstatic, the American consumer is still eager to consume.  

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    Yet another reason (none / 0) (#64)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:31:47 PM EST
    to not shop at Wal-Mart (or any of the Walton-owned companies).

    As though another reason was needed.

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    Great post from Ed Kilgore (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:33:35 AM EST
    on conservative paranoia

    Excellent reading! (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:07:13 PM EST
    When we were discussing racism the other day I didn't bring up something that I noticed when I breezed through an after election map the other day.  Oklahoma seemed to be the reddest of the reddest.  I have some family members that are conservative and on the adjoining Colorado plains.  My family participating in this plains conservative culture goes with some sort of Cowboy/gun owning theme, and Liberals are going to take away their guns.  They CMT and when my husband was in Iraq they emailed me the latest links to the latest patriotic Toby Keith song.  None of them wanted to join up but they sure loved that their cousin in law was fightin for their freedom.....sigh.  I did not feel the same way but we didn't fight about it.  They did a lot of guy chores for us when he was gone.  I voiced my feelings and beliefs to them respectfully and we respectfully disagreed as cousins sometimes can do.

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    I went to the Black Friday sales last year (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:48:09 AM EST
    I got some sheets and a "game chair" thingy.  I came to the conclusion that this is not my favorite day to shop because nobody had much for manners.  It just wasn't fun and I like for the my holidays to be fun.  If it isn't fun, if it isn't warm, spirit enriching, and celebratory what's the point?  Are we really the new Romans?  Is our next national venture going to be a Colosseum?

    We're already passed that (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:38:07 PM EST
    Back in the 90s, there was an incident in the exercise yard serving New Jersey's death row (this, before they outlawed the death penalty).  One inmate stomped another to death while the guards "could do nothing to stop it" (more like "would not stop it", but that's another story.

    It was all caught on tape.

    One of the Republican state senators then decided it would be a good idea, and introduced a bill, to allow (maybe even require) death row inmates to battle each other to the death.  He proposed to not only videotape this but to put it up on pay-per-view and apply the proceeds to pay for more tax cuts.

    The idea died a rather quick death, not just on the outcry about modern gladiatorial slavery, but also on the question of who would own the rights and whether royalties would have to be paid.  The money question was the coup de grace.

    Last I checked, that senator was still in office, a perfect exemplification of the Republicans as the Party of Hate.

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    Horrible story (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:50:36 AM EST
    I just finished the book 'The Bush Tragedy'.  One of the things that the author entertains is that George W Bush can't get his mind around the political reality that the things you can get away with in state government you cannot get away with on a national level.  He just can't understand how Texas could overlook so many questionable things and the whole of America can get so bent out of shape about the same sort of stuff.

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    Nope. Not gonna happen . . . . (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:30:25 PM EST
    Puppies will be puppies  :)

    Not ready for prime time? (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:32:54 PM EST
    No wonder Barack Obama doesn't want a lap dog.

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    That's something O and I agree on ;) (none / 0) (#96)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:14:56 PM EST
    It's an awfully cute puppy though. I have to wonder if she took the laughter as praise and will try it again. My dog thinks laughter is praise and it makes for some interesting unintentional training, lol!~

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    The dog is cutely stubborn and (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:44:41 PM EST
    its "guardian" seems to beyond temperate.  Hope she kept calm off stage too.

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    Looks like she kissed the pup at the end (none / 0) (#99)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:02:11 PM EST
    most dog owners I know of would laugh at being upstaged by the dog. It's fun reading the Dal boards during the DCA specialty shows. Absolute hoot, especially the ones that are brave enough to do brace. If you think one Dal is interesting, try two at a time, lol!~

    I'm keeping the video bookmarked. Always good to have a smile handy  :)

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    Did you ever see the movie (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:04:22 PM EST
    "Best in Show?"  

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    Yup! (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:31:14 PM EST
    Seems to me it usually plays around the holidays when you need a good laugh  ;)

    I'll never forget the first time I walked through the benched area at Westminster. I went to the grooming area and they were using Aqua Net on some of the dogs. I was shocked!! It was quite a few years ago, but still . . . I high tailed it over to some working dogs and enjoyed some BMD lovin'. I'm so glad I have a fussless breed. They usually have the Dals in the ring next to the Maltese. It's pretty funny watching all the Dals bounce around and play while the Maltese handlers just can't stop brushing their dogs. And further down the floor you have the Dobies looking all dignified and the bulldogs chugging around. Which reminds me, need to order tix!

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    Shih Tzu's (none / 0) (#123)
    by Amiss on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:49:21 PM EST
    are known for their stubborness. But their loving personalities and loyalty make up for it.

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    We used to raise Shih-Tzus (none / 0) (#103)
    by cenobite on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:26:09 PM EST
    That's pretty much a full grown dog :-)

    When they're puppies, they look like guinea pigs.


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    I think they said or I read she was 7mo (none / 0) (#105)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:36:48 PM EST
    I would have just thought she was young (a year or so) by her size. They grow up (in size!) so fast. Dals are pretty much grown by then also. They may still grow a bit more, and get sturdier, but they def don't look like puppies anymore. Only their actions do. Puppy mentality doesn't really go away lol!~.

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    Hey, Teresa, Lane Kiffin? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:06:38 PM EST
    Lane Kiffin to Tennessee, huh? Well, after dealing with Al Davis, the Vols boosters should be no problem for Lane. What's the word among Vols football fans?

    "Lane Kiffen" does not strike (none / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:33:26 PM EST
    me as an approp. name for a football coach.

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    Very unsure of the hire. Our fans are so (none / 0) (#108)
    by Teresa on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:04:49 PM EST
    hard to please, only Saban or Meyer would make them happy. :)

    I guess it will be a wait and see situation. I'm still in grieving mode, though I know we needed something.

    When a big ole guy like Chief (Chavis) cries, you know that team and the coaches are a wreck. Chavis said he has already talked to his players and tomorrow night when the game is over, he is getting his keys and leaving. He said he can't take being in the locker room.

    I have never dreaded a game so much in my life.

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    Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:08:26 PM EST
    Two words.

    Brian Kelly.

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    That's who I was betting on until recently. (none / 0) (#112)
    by Teresa on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:38:16 PM EST
    There is a lot of talk about Notre Dame buying out Weis's contract and the big boosters there want Kelly.

    He was interviewed and quoted as saying "my son said I don't want to go to Tennessee". As soon as I read that, I knew either we decided no on him or he did.

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    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    I entered the comment regarding Kelly before I read the Kiffen story.

    I think Kelly would have been a very good get for your Vols.

    He has an eye for talent.  Brought two quarterbacks to Central (MAC) that any Big Ten team would like to have, especially in a Big Ten starved for championship calibur quarterbacks.

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    Notre Dame (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:06:13 PM EST
    would certainly benefit by the absence of Charlie Weis. I'm still not sure why the Irish hired Charlie, although they were pretty hot to dump Willingham. Of course, Charlie's only decent seasons were the ones when he had Willingham's recruits playing.

    If Brian Kelly can spot and nurture talented quarterbacks I'd like to see him take Belotti's job at Oregon. Unfortunately, as long as Pat Kilkenney is the AD and Phil Knight is the money man, Belotti will remain as coach.

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    Is he related to McCaskill? (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:11:55 PM EST


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    Very good, oculus (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:54:32 PM EST
    Took me a minute to get it, but I certainly appreciate it.

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    oculus, you are one sharp lady. (none / 0) (#122)
    by Teresa on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:40:41 PM EST
    It took me a minute to get that one! :)

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    is someone still trying to (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:44:45 PM EST
    foment unrest re Clinton as Secretary of State?  Maybe:  Samantha Power one of 14 re State Deptl. advisory team

    hmm . . . (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:12:25 PM EST
    Power, a Harvard professor, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and noted commentator on genocide, is dealing with global humanitarian issues as part of the team, according to the officials. It is not clear if she is in line for any State Department job, they said.

    she has an "interesting" attitude for someone working on humanitarian issues . . . .

    I was wondering when she was going to re-surface.

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    First Solis-Doyle to Obama to (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:13:42 PM EST
    help out w/the VP angle, now, . . .  But, really, the actual problem is Bill Clinton.

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    Heh, what on earth are we EVER going to do (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:17:04 PM EST
    with Bill?!?!  lol!~ what an awful problem to have  ;)

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    Slightly OT, but I see Kos (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 09:41:23 PM EST
    has a FP post up about Wolfson's admission he was having nightmares about Drudge alerts.  Kos's reaction seems rather extreme.

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    And a majority of the comments (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:59:13 PM EST
    don't help (being polite here!).

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    And they wonder why some Clinton (none / 0) (#126)
    by Teresa on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:28:28 AM EST
    supporters don't jump on the love train. I am trying hard to put this primary behind me but I think I'd have to leave all blogs but this one to do so.

    It is so irritating. There are a lot of posters over there who try to defend Hillary but the loud mouths continue to run the show. Kos is just fueling the fire.

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    I was thinking, hey, it's ok (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:09:25 AM EST
    to skim DK now.  Afterall, the election's over.  We won.  What's the problem.

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    wonder what this gesture was (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by lilburro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:31:46 PM EST
    saw this in a diary by drdemocrat on kos...

    Clinton's office declined to comment on Power's inclusion in the State Department transition, but an official close to the Obama transition team said Power had "made a gesture to bury the hatchet" with Clinton and that it had been well-received.

    [from the ap article you cited]

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    Ha. Do the filter's (none / 0) (#128)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:10:13 AM EST
    here detect obscene gestures?

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    Roll Tide (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by kempis on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:42:52 AM EST
    OK there are no college football threads so far today, but someone needed to say this.

    Roll Tide and PLEASE, for God's sake beat Auburn this year. If something awful happens and Auburn wins AGAIN, well, it's just too frightening to contemplate....Sure, Alabama would lose its #1 ranking (which it may do next week anyway) but it would be even worse to lose to Auburn AGAIN.

    If you go to the state of Alabama right now, three hours before game time, you'll feel a slight tremor on the ground as almost an entire state paces nervously, waiting for kickoff. (Those who aren't pacing are probably already well into the Jack Daniels.)

    ;)

    WAR EAGLE!!! (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:02:39 PM EST
    I'm obligated to say such things for Josh.  I bought a couple of Auburn Ts for myself as I'm also obligated to do as his mom.  Was wearing one when I was grocery shopping for Thanksgiving and I was so sick.  I can't even imagine what I looked like, but I didn't care either.  My head felt like a pillow was in it.  Some guy passed me with his cart and whispered Roll Tide towards me.  I perked up a little and looked at him, what was he talking about?  He started laughing and said, "Made ya think!"

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    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by kempis on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:16:25 PM EST
    Ah, I miss the Alabama-Auburn hoopla. I've lived in Western PA for 25 years, and people up here think that Pitt v Penn State is a huge in-state rivalry. Ha! I tell them that until people start painting the Pitt-Penn State scores on their new cars--in permanent paint--I didn't want to hear it.

    When my dad died, my brother and I went to the funeral home to make the arrangements. While we were looking at the floral catalog, the funeral director took a phone call. My brother and I continued to discuss matters, quietly.

    I said, seriously, that we should go with red-and-white flowers for Alabama because Dad was a devoted Alabama fan. My brother agreed and then he leaned forward and joked that we should see if they could arrange them in the score of Alabama's last victory over Auburn.

    When the funeral director got off the phone, he asked us, totally straight-faced, if we were interested in having the flowers arranged in the score of the game. "Oh no!" We said in unison. We were both horrified and amused. The director kind of grinned then, and said he just wanted to be sure because he'd received similar requests before. "You have no idea," he said. Isn't that a hoot? Now that's a rivalry.

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    No way. No How. (4.80 / 5) (#15)
    by joanneleon on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:30:16 AM EST
    Can't get me into any shopping venue today.  I think it's insanity.

    Me neither (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:27:54 PM EST
    I came to the least crowded place in town - my workplace!

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    Amazing video (none / 0) (#12)
    by lentinel on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:22:05 AM EST
    I think this is worth watching.
    Beyond that, no comment.

    "Reunited" sung in a Karaoke Bar.

    Suit Shopping (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:00:25 PM EST
    I need to buy a navy suit.  I want it to be a nice suit - so I'm willing to pay - not TOO much though.

    I spent an entire day at the mall 2 weeks ago, and I found a grand total of 2 navy suits for women (at Macy's and Lord and Taylors), and neither fit right.  I haven't felt like more of an angry feminist in a looong time.

    Any suggestions as to a store I can hit up that will have options and won't require me to spend 3 hours searching for 1 suit?

    Thanks!

    Try Nordstrom and check out (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:12:16 PM EST
    Garfield and Marx suits there.  

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#25)
    by CST on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:22:02 PM EST
    That's one store they didn't have but there are some around.  I just got so frustrated walking into a store and seeing like 80 different options for men's suits and nothing for me.  I am not looking for anything with frills - just a regular suit.

    Unfortunately I need it by Monday so I can't avoid the stores this weekend.  But I will wait until at least tommorow.

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    I second the Nordstrom suggestion (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:33:15 PM EST
    Usually a good selection and customer service. Also, I'm a hard size to fit and they offer tailoring - can't remember what the charge is, but it was reasonable for a suit that you want to look nice.

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    I thought about Tailoring (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:38:24 PM EST
    Since it's hard to find any suit that fits "right".  I will probably go that route if it's not too much.  I need this suit now, but I am also viewing it as an investment so I'm willing to splurge more than I would on regular clothes.  I've never owned anything tailored, so I don't really know where to start.  It's nice to hear they have it available at the store.

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    Speaking from the male perspective (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:43:16 PM EST
    Good clothes almost always have to be tailored in one way or another. I don't know how long it usually takes for women's clothing, but my suspicion is that you might not have left enough time. . .

    (Believe me, I despise shopping for clothes.)

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    How long does it take? (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:45:58 PM EST
    I need something for Monday, but I need something nice for next weekend.  So I may have time for the second not the first, which is okay.

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    Save time... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:02:31 PM EST
    call the store(s) and ask to speak to a personal shopper or someone in women's clothing who would know if they have a navy blue suit in stock...sizes, etc.  You could ask them to hold one 'til you can get to the store to try it on this afternoon.  Get the NAME and DEPARTMENT of the person you talk to!

    Good luck...

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    It really just depends on what you need (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:47:54 PM EST
    Jsut know that you can ask them and they will help. That's more than you get at most stores.

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    It often depends how they pay their (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:54:06 PM EST
    in-house tailor as well.  If they are paid hourly it is hard to get excited about being pressed for time.  My grandma Vera was very politically active, and she was also a tailor :)

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    Speaking of the south (none / 0) (#44)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:55:53 PM EST
    Tailors.

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    Um, stupid autocomplete (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:57:12 PM EST
    That was just supposed to be "speaking of tailors."

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    Not an admitting Jew in my family (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    but now I know how I came to appreciate and know so much yiddish.  And Vera could say yiddish things and nobody knew what she was really saying.

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    FWIW, Vera is a Russian/Slavic name (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    my people came from the Russian Empire. . .

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    I'm pretty sure MT's Vera was a (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:08:59 PM EST
    Bolshevik.

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    She was a reincarnated Bolshevik (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:39:07 PM EST


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    I don't know about my great grandfather's (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:36:57 PM EST
    father. Only know his last name was Payne but can't trace my lineage after that and the spelling is wrong for the area he lived in and how the Payne's of the day spelled their last name which was Paine.  He is the one who named  Vera.  

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    Uh oh, you got me curious (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:51:14 PM EST
    I looked up both of Vera's parents last names on ancestery.com for Colorado Sprgs.  Her mom's maiden name was Glau.  And guess what came up for Glau's in El Paso Co Colo and one of Vera's Aunt's?  The JewishJen Online Burial Registry....I'm shocked.  Nobody said a thing to me my whole life.  I have my great grandmother's house blessing that came from Germany.  I had a very hard time getting it translated but finally did.  Was told it is a strange form of German.

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    Man my great grandmother hated Hitler (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:55:12 PM EST
    Her family was all here when all that was going on but my grandfather (Vera's husband) said that just mentioning his name set her off like dynamite and she'd rant, in German, nobody knew what she was saying.

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    Learn something new every day (none / 0) (#78)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:00:12 PM EST
    Your "strange form of german" could, perhaps, be Yiddish transliterated into latin script. Though I think that's pretty uncommon.

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    More Likely Dialect (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:23:30 PM EST
    Most germans speak a regional dialect as well as high german.

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    Well, I'm not a language expert (none / 0) (#82)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:26:19 PM EST
    and I don't speak Yiddish or German, but my understanding is that the former is a dialect, or at the very least a creole formed out of the latter and Polish, Russia, Belorussian, Lithuanian, Hebrew  etc.

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    More A Language (none / 0) (#93)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 05:06:43 PM EST
    Than a dialect. Although Yiddish has dialects itself, just like German has dialects.

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    It was a friend of my husband (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:28:32 PM EST
    (who happens to be Jewish but I don't think it is connected) who asked me if I knew what the house blessing said, I told him yes but that there was a portion of it that had never been clearly translated. I had the general meaning though.  His wife was from Europe and was a language professor.  He called her in New York, my understanding didn't change much but she didn't know the exact dialect either.  Said it was similar to an German Amish dialect she was familiar with.  

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    Heh, I've been called pro Israel so many times (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:30:22 PM EST
    Duh, DNA preservation :)

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    The other point to make (none / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:32:02 PM EST
    is that, so far as I am aware, Jews don't have family mottos.

    Jews were not the only german orbit europeans to have serious problems with Hitler and the Nazis, after all.

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    True, and that is why I never (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:41:58 PM EST
    thought my Great Grandmother had any Jewish roots.  Just German ones.

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    I found a listing at JewishJen (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:54:22 PM EST
    for a woman with my great grandmother's name buried in C sprgs so I've signed up for the 14 day trial at ancestery.com to compare what seems to be my great grandmother's soc security stuff with the JewishJen woman buried in C Sprgs.  This is also my redneck cousins great grandmother.  If this is the same woman they won't know what to think.

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    Fascinating. Remember (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:58:12 PM EST
    Madeleine Albright's discovery of her Jewish roots?  Many scoffed:  oh, she must have known.  But think how hard people tried to cover up their Jewishness.


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    MT (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:36:18 PM EST
    This is also my redneck cousins great grandmother.  If this is the same woman they won't know what to think.

    If this turns out can we all watch when you tell him?

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    At Christmas, preferably. (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:37:51 PM EST


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    It is the same woman (none / 0) (#138)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 09:12:42 AM EST
    I had to run into Dothan last night after discovering the address on the social security portion is the correct address and the two entries share the same date of birth and death.  It's embarrassing, but I couldn't remember exactly what year my great grandmother passed in.  I was at the funeral but I was 18ish and life was all about me.  I drove in feeling really freaked out, spent some time with this young gay couple....long story....andgarden is sort of familiar with part of it when one of the boys ended up kicked out of his family.  When I was driving home though I began to realize that it doesn't change anything really.  Well, except the nagging curiosity as to why a bunch of Jews were running about Colorado with Cowboys :)  They didn't feel that part of their story would be HUGE to anyone though and really it is a personal choice we all get to make, what parts of our life story are/were precious to us that we want passed on.  It does explain many things about this branch of my family, the gifts I was given, and the marriages we make and the great grandchildren these people spawned.  We are very secular people and not overly religious.  The whole family huge on separation of church of state.  You can't even catch the redneck branch in church, they have other stuff that needs to be done, they have chores :)  The women have always had a voice too.  It is okay to be a strong woman, it is even okay to be flat out noisy just as long as you don't do it every single day and everybody has to run away from you.

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    Will you be the family memorist? (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:56:16 PM EST
    P.S.  You may be able to find the date of your relative's death by checking local newspapers.  

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    I did get the date of her passing from (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 08:17:00 PM EST
    her soc sec records and that record came with last known address info.  I have in the past attempted to get items from the Gazette Telegraph but it wasn't an instant process.  I'll have to check if they have online archives now not long ago I checked and they didn't.  After I got her soc sec record through Ancestory.com other facts from the funeral began to jell in my once youthful brain, like how it was right after Christmas.

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    One of my cousins had done a bit of family (none / 0) (#148)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 08:32:18 PM EST
    tree for a more recent high school project and I remembered this.  I also phoned her last night, she is on her last year in college but thinking she may want a bigger degree to go with their new baby:)  Yeah, I wish I felt that young too.  She said the JewishJen links were not there five years ago.  She got a lot of info from the bulletin boards on Ancestory.com but never went for the $150 membership and they didn't have a 14 day trial then.  I will probably dig a little more on Ancestory.com and use the boards some too while Josh is at school next week, just to cure some curiosity if it can be.  I have to say though that my younger cousin is the better family memorist.  I like to collect people "things",  their dishes and favorite coffee cups, chochkees....things that their hearts loved and not necessarily something that has dollar worth (though sometimes I find out that some of this stuff has that too but I usually find that out by accident and it isn't important to my collecting).  For some reason everything like that is precious to me and I'm the holder of a lot of that from my families.

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    I'd guess that you have just enough time (none / 0) (#38)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:48:35 PM EST
    for next weekend.

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    You may need to send the clothing (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:50:01 PM EST
    to an outside tailor.  In-house tailoring usually takes longer.  An indy tailor is often more compelled to meet last minute needs, usually with an added charge but it can be done.

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    Where are you? I'm hoping to (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:45:52 PM EST
    ever, ever have to wear my suits again; and I have a dark blue one.

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    Definitely worth a try if you just need (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:43:56 PM EST
    minor alterations. I'm the same way - I only buy one nice suit every decade or so, so I'll spend a little more than I do on my everyday clothes.

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    Missed that you need it by Monday (none / 0) (#36)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:46:35 PM EST
    I wouldn't be surprised if Nordstrom would even do a quick temporary alteration if you need it by then. They really are great about stuff like that.

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    No charge for tailoring (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:50:07 PM EST
    at Nordstrom's if you bought the suit there.  At least that's how it used to be.

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    why does it have to be blue and (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:15:08 PM EST
    does it have to be a skirt and jacket or a matching top and bottom?

    Assuming you do need a matching jacket and pants/skirt, Macy's is fast, cheap with a lot of stores around and has sales on suits going on.

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    Must be a prosecutor, I figure. (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 06:20:23 PM EST
    Bluc, black, grey.  That's it

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    that's what I was thinking (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 07:23:38 PM EST
    but you knew that.

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    Ann Taylor sometimes has nice suits. And I've (none / 0) (#27)
    by Angel on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:29:16 PM EST
    found that they carry navy blue when most stores don't.  Nordstrom is also a good place to shop for quality clothing.  Neiman Marcus outlet???  How about some of the outlet stores?  I bet you could find something in one of those stores.  I've seen stuff at Dress Barn also.  Good luck!  

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    You might try (none / 0) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:44:30 PM EST
    researching the on-line versions of the stores you can get to.  You obviously won't want to order it on-line, but it might tell you at least what kinds of women's clothes the brick-and-mortar stores might carry.

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    If you have Syms in your area (none / 0) (#66)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:41:10 PM EST
    you should check them out.

    They are one of those chains that buy up name-brand clothes and sell them at reduced prices.

    A friend got a couple nice suits for about 1/3 of list, and a Ralph Lauren/Polo camelhair topcoat for about $150.  And scads of nice neckties for under $15 each.

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    Great deal on 'The Wire' (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:41:00 PM EST
    complete series DVD box set - $138 on Amazon today.

    Also, less fun, but Office 2008 is on sale for about 70% off at the Apple store online. It is ordinarily $499 - way too much for me - but today is in the $150 range.  If you use it for work as I do, that is quite a deal.

    Confession: I started reading and (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:52:36 PM EST
    commenting at DK.  When will BTD show up here?  Of course there is lots of other stuff I could be doing!

    Waiting for BTD is (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:07:11 PM EST
    a little like Waiting for Godot.

    There are a million things you could be doing besides giving clicks to DK...my windows need washing...can you come over?

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    You just reminded me (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:50:12 PM EST
    of the definitive production of Godot at UCLA.  From the Gate Theatre in Dublin.  The actors had been playing various parts in Godot off and on forever.

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    Oh, I have my own list. In a fit (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:11:10 PM EST
    of domesticity (quite rare) I invited four friends for dinner Sat. night.  As I deem myself a "retired cook" this will require some intensive thought, planning, shopping, cleaning up, and cooking!  Not doing windows, though, as it will be dark out.

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    "Retired cook" (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:21:12 PM EST
    Same here.

    But once a year (or so) i invite friends to dinner so I HAVE to clean house whether it needs it or not.  I'm thinking "not this year."

    Gotta shape up by Christmas, tho...my kid is coming and I have to set an example of some sort.

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    My brothers are coming. Last year (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:47:37 PM EST
    host brother had actually hand printed his menus in advance and wowed us all with his culinary skill w/slow cooker.  Pressure is on bigtime.

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    Yikes. (none / 0) (#62)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:24:34 PM EST
    I'm thinking "caterer!"

    If you can wow 'em  with your checkbook, that is.

    Maybe canapes and/or dessert?  Although I do a fabulous cheesecake a day ahead....really easy but won two contests with it!

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    Just finished making Liminal's sweet (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:10:35 PM EST
    potato salad with orange/craisin dressing.  Pretty easy going since I was listening to my brand new CD of South Pacific at the same time.  Now, on to dessert.  

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    Mmmmmmmmmm.... (none / 0) (#120)
    by oldpro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:32:06 PM EST
    Happy talk!  (Love the music).

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    DK huh? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:58:39 PM EST
    I don't feel compelled to comment there much but I will read something if it is worth the read.  When a whole bunch of people have no idea who Paul Hackett is (no matter how crazy he may seem to be acting) it just feels like a long hard slog :)  You comment brilliantly though, the masses will love you.

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    Thanks. I'm most interested (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    in the diary in which everyone comments about what they are currently reading.  For example, there is apparently a bio of Wallace Stegner that I didn't know about.  Authoe is Fradkin.  Then there is always at least one comment by someone who is reading five really intense books at the same time, including one on string theory.  

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    You are trying to make me go back! (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    I loved the gardening blog and I killed everything when we first moved here.  I can grow just about anything in a desert though...sheesh.  I learned a lot about what I needed to do by asking questions on the gardening blog.  Growing things in this climate, completely different rules for everything.

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    He will be here when he's available (none / 0) (#56)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:25:11 PM EST
    He took Thanksgiving off from blogging. We don't have a schedule here, we all just post when we feel like it and have something to say. It's a hobby, not a job.

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    So true. (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:48:02 PM EST


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    I miss him today: college football's rivalry day (none / 0) (#139)
    by kempis on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:35:47 AM EST
    :(

    Florida v Florida State and no BTD?

    Bummer.

    But I sincerely hope he and his loved ones are having a good Thanksgiving weekend--and the same goes for all of you.

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    Here is a diversion whilst (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:49:46 PM EST
    awaiting the weekly "Go Gators" post:

    War As They Knew It

    NYT review of a new book about Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler.

    2 people killed inside Calif. Toys R Us (none / 0) (#72)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:15:08 PM EST
    Not many details yet.

    Breaking News
    updated 6 minutes ago

    PALM DESERT, Calif. - Authorities said two people have been killed inside a Toys "R" Us store in Southern California.

    Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said Palm Desert police got a call saying shots had been fired inside the store Friday. NBC News affiliate KMIR reported an argument between two teenagers preceded the shooting. A third person, a male, apparently pulled out a gun.
    FYI- not every deal is available online (none / 0) (#113)
    by kenosharick on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:42:10 PM EST
    I went to Target at 11:30 am, no crowds, no lines and got the same deals as those who were crammed in with loooong lines at 6am. I slept in and got a 26 inch LCD HGTV flatscreen tv for my Mom-- $299, same TV is well over $400 online. Half an hour shopping-nice.

    I am thankful for (none / 0) (#121)
    by lilburro on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:36:07 PM EST
    Brazilian music...Jorge Ben is simply the best!  There is a great blog, Loronix, that covers out of print Brazilian music.  A lot of the cover art is beautiful.

    I am thankful, now that Thanksgiving (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:11:31 AM EST
    is over, I can start playing my Christmas CDs  Have to start ASAP as I am overstocked.  Currently listening to Anonymous 4.  

    Do you have Brian Wilson's Christmas album? (none / 0) (#130)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:29:17 AM EST
    I like his original Christmas songs.  Seriously.

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    Mostly mine are choral; referably (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:41:54 AM EST
    obscure medieval carols. I spent lots of years in charge of church music and got truly sick of the old favorites.  

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    Then you should love (none / 0) (#132)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:47:18 AM EST
    "Christmasey."

    Any interesting medieval carols to check out?  I don't know anything about Christmas during that period.

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    Maybe tomorrow I'll make a list. (none / 0) (#133)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:48:28 AM EST
    Too late now (or too much cooking, who knows?).  

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    Ok (none / 0) (#134)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:53:58 AM EST
    I am interested in knowing, whenever you've got the time.  

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    It sounds wonderful (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:57:09 AM EST
    Count me as one interested in your list too and if I get busy and miss it please point it out to me.  Have lots of baking planned because I can bake, always could do that.  Not much good at roasting the flesh of living things but I'm working on it.  As always the new Martha Stewart has some fab sounding cookie recipes for Xmas, a cookie lighter than and milder than a gingersnap, and an expresso sugar cookie.

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    Last night I made Crunchy Granola (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:33:43 PM EST
    cookies from a recipe card I wrote out years ago.  Tons of butter and sugar.  

    Using my brand new Hamilton Beach slow cooker for pork roast with apples and onions.  Query:  wondering if the "cookware" part of this appliance can go on the stovetop.  Don't think so, but the Hamilton Beach website recipe for this pork roast doesn't say.  

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