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The Bradley Effect And Demographic Political Destiny

One thing we probably should have learned from this campaign season is the importance of demographics in gauging this political campaign. I have not engaged in much poll analysis because, frankly, I do not think the Presidential election is in doubt. But Salon runs a silly and truly useless pseudo analysis from a GOP operative trying to convince (perhaps himself as well) that McCain has a real shot. the GOP operative relies on supposed examples of the Bradley Effect in 2006. Poblano debunks the pseudo analysis but it is worthwhile to review the demographics. More . . .

One important point before we move on to the demographics - Obama rarely if ever underperformed his polling going into a primary. He did very much underperform early exit polling. Thus, if we are looking for a Bradley Effect, it will show up in raw early exit polling, not in underperfomance of pre-election polls. And the reluctant respondent phenomenon is very much about white Democrats, not white Republicans. Indeed, if anything, the Bradley Effect would have been something we would see in the primaries, not in the general election. Whites just vote less for Democrats period.

Remember how in the primaries we could pretty much peg the result based on educated guesses on the demographic turnout?

We were able to do this based on the assurance that Obama would take 92-95% of the African American vote, about 35-38% of the white vote (this number would vary based on region - i.e in the South Obama would rarely exceed 30% of the white vote, and age - younger white voters would vote for Obama heavily) and about 38-40% of the Latino vote. At that point, we just needed to feel confident on the projected turnout.

For the general election, you can feel quite confident that Obama's low among African American voters will be 95% of the vote and you can also expect a significant uptick in African American turnout. Thus, while John Kerry only won 88% of the A-A vote and A-As only comprised 11% of the electorate; by contrast Obama will win at least 95% of the A-A vote and A-As are likely to comprise at least 13% of the electorate. That alone gives Obama a 2.5% increase over John Kerry's total in 2004.

But of course there is more favoring Obama. He is winning Latinos by 2-1, while John Kerry only won Latinos by 53-44. Further, Latinos only comprised 8% of the electorate in 2004. It is fair to project that Latinos will be 10% of the electorate in 2008. These shifts provide Obama with another 2.2% over Kerry's total.

The final piece of the puzzle is the increase in young voters. John Kerry captured 41% of the white vote in 2004. If for no other reason than the larger share of younger voters, Obama seems assured of exceeding that total. In 2004, 17% of the electorate was voters 18-29 and Kerry won that group 54-45. This group will likely top 20% of the electorate in 2008 and Obama will capture close to 2/3 of this group. This should be worth at least a couple of points for Obama.

Thus even if Obama does not improve on Kerry's performance among voters older than 30 (which seems highly unlikely in my opinion), Obama should win the election by more than 4 points. Since he is likely to improve on Kerry's performance among all groups - the margin is likely to be more than that. Personally , I am picking a margin of 6 points.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    I wonder if McCain will suffer from the (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ThatOneVoter on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:15:17 AM EST
    Elmer Fudd effect.

    I'm sick to death of the flippin bradley defect (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 12:44:13 PM EST
    If someone would just pass me an oxycontin or five I could probably come to understand how Colin Powell's endorsements are about race though.

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    Salon ran a silly (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by mg7505 on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 12:50:45 PM EST
    article? Shocking. I will remember this election as the point when most online writers/bloggers lost whatever little sense they had left. Except TalkLeft, of course :-)

    Voter suppression and (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 01:22:38 PM EST
    other Republican dirty tricks may be the important effect to watch for in certain demographics.
    ie.  White House Asks DOJ to Intervene in Ohio
    http://www.truthout.org/102608A  Wapo story

    Turnout matters a great deal but it's not enough.  Actually getting to vote and actually having those votes counted accurately matters even more.  In the end, the basics still matter.

    Sounds about right to me (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:04:18 AM EST
    If he's really locked in Virginia--and it looks like he has, this is mostly academic anyway.

    I will tell you one thing though: I am a little bit concerned about the possibility of squeaker races in Rhode Island and Pennsylvania, but not too much.  

    I completely agree (none / 0) (#3)
    by bluegal on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:16:53 AM EST
    PPP had a very intersting post on the youth vote which made sense and it is something that you allude to here.  Kerry didn't win the youth vote by double if not triple digits like Obama will so even if they turn out at the same rate as 2004, Obama will benefit because we are overwhelmingly going for Obama as opposed to high single digits for Kerry.

    It's basically over and now it's just about the margin of victory.

    i don't think he is locked (none / 0) (#4)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:17:36 AM EST
    in va, except perhaps for northern va. while i agree he'll probably get 95% of the AA vote, and in va that constitutes roughly 20% of the electorate, obama's problems lie in the southeast and southwestern parts of the state. huge military population in the southeast, virgil goode republicans in the sw.

    while obama probably will win va, it's going to be more of a squeaker than the polls would suggest.

    I disagree (none / 0) (#6)
    by bluegal on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:20:24 AM EST
    NoVa is where most of the people are and he is above 60% there which is higher than Webb's margin.  Obama will most likely win VA by about 4 or 5 points as he is keeping the margins down in the rest of the state.

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    ok, not sure where you're getting (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 01:17:12 PM EST
    your statistical data from, but nva constitutes roughly 1/3 of the state's total population, hardly "most" of it. the tidewater (norfolk, hampton, chesapeake, etc.) probably makes up another 1/3, and the rest is spread around the state.

    this would be from the 2000 census.

    obama/biden probably are pretty solid in nva, for the most part, even though there are pockets (leesburg, loudon county, prince william county) of hard-core republicans as well.

    in the tidewater and roanoke/lynchburg/danville(I-81 area) corridor, not so much.

    as i said, it'll be closer than the polls would have you believe, but i feel obama will pull it out. not bad, for a state that hasn't gone democrat since, i believe, kennedy.

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    Nate Silver also deconstructs this (none / 0) (#5)
    by Demi Moaned on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:18:36 AM EST
    ... analysis over at FiveThirtyEight.com

    BTD linked that up top (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:24:24 AM EST
    I was fooled by the name Poblano (none / 0) (#8)
    by Demi Moaned on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 11:27:37 AM EST
    It's not the name it was posted under.

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    Nate went by Poblano (none / 0) (#16)
    by MKS on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 02:40:15 PM EST
    for much of the Primaries....Pretty cool name, Poblano....

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    There was no Bradley effect! (none / 0) (#9)
    by jerry on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 12:38:29 PM EST
    At least, not according to On the Media, in an interesting report over the weekend.  (Cameo with Nate Silver.)

    Mostly what there was was one pollster looking to explain why he was wrong.  But that was answered by others with reasons like: there was a big GOP GOTV in absentee ballots that year, and a big GOP turnout in rural areas due to some big GOP issue (gun control?), and that apart from that, Bradley did as expected.

    (I voted for Tom Bradley, he was a good mayor of a diverse city and would have been a good governor.)


    Hyping the Bradley effect... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Tom Hilton on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 12:48:44 PM EST
    ...is, at this point, pure Republican spin.  There are two basic goals here:

    --Salvaging Republican morale (sure, there's a risk of overconfidence...but the number of people who don't vote because they believe their candidate has already lost is greater than the number who don't vote because they believe their candidate has already won); and

    --Pre-emptively legitimizing results tainted by voter purges.  

    The latter is the more important goal, and it's the reason we need to keep pushing back on the Bradley Effect hype (and, of course, we have the facts on our side).  

    Repubs and MCMers are hyping the "Bradley (none / 0) (#17)
    by jawbone on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 03:23:21 PM EST
    Effect," which, as the original pollster pointed out and On The Media disicussed this weekend, did not exist. It was, however, a convenient Narrative for the MCM (which so loves Narratives they can all get behind).

    It's Villager group think; facts need not be considered once the group think is established among the Villagers.

    This time around, however, it was also used to undermine Clinton's NH win, and now, I think, to try to keep the Obama base from getting too complacent. So, it's bipartisan, I guess.

    Feh.

    Listening to MCMers dicussing the election, and their luvvvvv of the Bradley Effect is disheartening. But, once they get some favored idea in their minds, they can't seem to deal with reality and facts. Witness the run up to the Iraq Invasion.

    MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers--members of the MCM
    Villagers--Name favored by Digby for MCMers, especially those connected with DC and inside the Beltway.

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    I'm too lazy to read what Poblano, (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 01:13:21 PM EST
    whoever that is, has to say, but I did hear Bradley's campaign manager on either NPR or KCRW a week or so ago, and he also does not think there is such a thing as a "Bradley effect."

    In fact, he thinks Bradley lost the election because (and I'm trying to remember his story here) there was some other (Democrat-sponsored?) item on the ballot that was roundly disliked and soundly defeated, but that item had enough support from, or connection to, Bradley such that people voted against Bradley as part of their "no" vote against that other item.

    Mccain gaining strength in the polls (none / 0) (#18)
    by caesar on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:31:24 AM EST
    Hurry up an vote people!! Vote early! Mccain and Bush are trying to hijack the election because of the latest incursion in Syria. George Bush is needlessly sending our troops into harms way in order to start another war with Syria! John Mccain got boosted in the polls because of the Benhazeer Bhutto assassination, now he going to get a bounce be cause of this latest stunt against Syria - we cannot let George W. Bush pull anymore tricks out of his sleeves, I don't care if he launches nukes against Iran - we MUST ELECT OBAMA!!!!! END THE MADNESS - END THE TYRANNY - AMERICA IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD, AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT!

    Mccain's eerie vision for America (none / 0) (#19)
    by caesar on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM EST
    Read this:
    http://mccainslaststand.blogspot.com/

    Mccain has a plan for all of us Americans.. and it invokes a draft over the horizon..