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John McCain Wins Florida -- FL. Live Thread Two

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:15:35 PM EST
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CNN just called Florida for John McCain.

Rudy is expected to drop out by Wednesday and endorse McCain.

Huckabee says hold on, we need Super Tuesday and the Southern states' votes before you count me out.

Does anyone think McCain would pick Rudy as his running mate?

Where does this leave Mitt Romney? Is he still viable?

Update: McCain is speaking now. He may be the least inspirational, blandest speaker ever. He sounds like he is reading rather than speaking. He also uses far too many cliches like "my dear friends."

I wish him a long, healthy life, but at 71, what I'm most concerned about is who he'll pick as his running mate.

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    At 71. . (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:58:26 PM EST
    what I'm most concerned about is who he'll pick as his running mate.

    he'd be better off with a walking mate.

    play nice! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:01:44 PM EST


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    Hmmm. . . (none / 0) (#1)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:17:58 PM EST
    Does anyone think McCain would pick Rudy as his running mate?

    You mean the old "two idiot" strategy?  It's worked for the Republicans before.

    McCain picks Huck (none / 0) (#2)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:18:09 PM EST
    needs the Televangelist vote

    Word is that McCain (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:18:25 PM EST
    is out of cash. That may change, but Romney will probably push on for a while.

    He needs _heaps_ of cash. . . (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:24:09 PM EST
    right now for Super Tuesday.  If he's really skint and Romney's still flush that could make a difference next Tuesday.

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    He's got that special bank (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:31:19 PM EST
    that loans him money based on contributor lists. I kid you not.

    How can THAT not be a campaign finance violation?

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    What bank is that? (none / 0) (#20)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:32:32 PM EST
    Are you referring to his checking account?

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    The Republican coalition (none / 0) (#4)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:20:19 PM EST
    So, what do they stand for, nothing. When you play the game just to win, you destroy your fabric. That is what I am afraid with the Dems going just for electability.

    Romney has money and the ABM (none / 0) (#5)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:20:49 PM EST
    (Anybody But McCain) crowd.

    does that matter? (none / 0) (#41)
    by Nasarius on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:05:56 PM EST
    I'm looking at the polls and seeing a McCain landslide in most states. Romney picks up MA and UT for obvious reasons, plus Colorado. McCain gets all the big states, likely including IL after Giuliani drops out.

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    Rudy speech (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:24:30 PM EST
    sounds like he's quitting now. He praises all the other candidates.

    Judy is next to him. He'll never win an election with her around. She's a reminder of all his character flaws.

    Next to him? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:30:26 PM EST
    Or on the phone?

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    The dumbest person ever to run for President! (none / 0) (#8)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:24:45 PM EST
    Rudy was always overestimated as a candidate. I have been saying this for months.

    More importantly, he is hideous looking.

    He is unattractive (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:30:00 PM EST
    and he lisps.  He's a poor public speaker.  He doesn't inspire.  And he reacts poorly to pressure.

    Nothing wrong with that -- all those things apply to me as well.  But I'm not running for President.

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    He's bald too (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:31:58 PM EST


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    Yes, that too. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:33:01 PM EST
    Thanks for bringing it up.  Really.

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    heheheheh (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:38:29 PM EST


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    shame on you all (none / 0) (#26)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:42:47 PM EST
    he is not ugly.

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    Uh, Judith. . . (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    is there something you haven't been telling us?  Judith?

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    are you suggesting (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:46:54 PM EST
    I buy two seats for the plane? One for my $4000 Fendi bag?

    shhhhhush.

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    Did he do cosmetic surgery (none / 0) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:52:49 PM EST
    he does have that Joan Rivers eyes thing going. But the best part, he took about of Republicans for the ride of his life. He got to play with the big boys, jet, Secret Service, debates, hotels, rallies

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    Awww, Larry, you look good to us (none / 0) (#29)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:50:51 PM EST
    here on the internets.

    Of course, we're "combing" our mental images of you to come up with one part Brad Pitt, one part Harrison Ford. . . .

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    hmm. (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:54:49 PM EST
    how ya carving that up?

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    And an awful human being who gets (none / 0) (#53)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:42:54 PM EST
    less likeable the more people get to know him.

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    Finally something we can all agree on. (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 10:16:26 PM EST


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    I must admit (none / 0) (#9)
    by talkingpoint on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:24:48 PM EST
    that with all the republican candidates McCain appears to be the most challeging. We can only beat him if we stress that he wants to make the Bush tax cut permanent and stay in Iraq forever.

    McCain and Iraq (none / 0) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST
    I believe McCain's slogan is Iraq today, Iraq tomorrow, Iraq forever!

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    Ve Vill Shtay. . . (none / 0) (#11)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:27:39 PM EST
    Von Hundred Years!

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    Yes But He Is Still Getting A Lot Of Indies (none / 0) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:55:38 PM EST
    voting for him even with that position and after announcing that he does't do the ecomony thing.

    Seems American voters are notorious for saying certain issues are the most important to them and then voting for a person who takes the opposite track.

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    I personally believe. . . (none / 0) (#12)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:28:30 PM EST
    Romney to be harder to deal with.  McCain is old and especially if Obama is the nominee he's simply going to look tired.

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    McCain is old enough to be (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:30:47 PM EST
    Clinton's father.  

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    wow... (none / 0) (#19)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:32:21 PM EST
    ... John McCain must have been an impressive 11 year old.

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    Friends...Friends (none / 0) (#30)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:50:52 PM EST
    bring out the drinks

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    Gonna run on a tax increase?? (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:04:17 PM EST
    Heck, this thing is over right now.

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    McCain hugging Bush picture (none / 0) (#52)
    by magster on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:40:49 PM EST
    McCain the meanie: "Why is Chelsea so ugly?" "You're a f#$%ing jerk (to Sen. Grassley)""Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"

    McCain the sleaze: Keating 5; DKos diary tonight that he'll have to take lobbying $ to finance between now and RNC convention;

    McCain the bad commander in chief: war will be easy, no it won't, yeah it will, 100 years++

    I think Obama has better shot, but both Obama and Clinton can beat him.

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    I think you must be the blogger (none / 0) (#59)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:56:53 PM EST
    in charge of oppo research.

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    If I am correct that Jeb Bush endorsed Romney, (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:31:50 PM EST
    maybe we don't need to worry so much about Jeb running for President.

    Doesn't Giuliani sound like Tom Cruise? (none / 0) (#22)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:33:25 PM EST
    I mean as least as brainwashed about republican "ideas".

    Countries like Asia? (none / 0) (#23)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:35:09 PM EST
    That's what the Mittster just said.

    Republicans are already dejected. (none / 0) (#34)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:57:01 PM EST
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/

    Funny to watch.

    Kevin Drum (none / 0) (#36)
    by ding7777 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    has noticed an odd age group going for Hillary... the 25 - 29 year olds. LINK

    Hillary has said (none / 0) (#44)
    by athyrio on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:14:27 PM EST
    that she thinks that not only student loans should be cheaper etc, but she is in favor of some form of national service to pay it back....that is very attractive to young people struggling with student debt...

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    Thanks to Bill Clinton, a lot of young grads got (none / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:22:56 PM EST
    a break in the '90s, when he pushed for and won reinstating the tax credit for student loan repayments.  (I know, I went back to school just before that, and I didn't get the break -- which sure would have helped me help my kids go to college a couple of years later!)

    We need to keep that tax credit, people -- student loans are soaring higher than ever, as tuition does, because so many states have cut back funding.

    Another thought: 25- to 29-year-olds would have memories of the '90s; many would have been in the 10- to 14-year-old group under a Clinton presidency, and that is said to be when we form our "worldview."

    So they may remember a far better world than what we have endured since 2000.

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    Could we get a tax credit (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    for a plumber's helper?

    Through out life I think you will find them much more important than the average poly sci grad, english lit grade, etc.

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    OT: Grisham supports Clinton. (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:01:47 PM EST
    The battle of the authors is on.

    GRISHAM

    uh oh (none / 0) (#39)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:04:04 PM EST
    I am holding out for Stephen King.

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    Pity the poor Republican candidate that gets (none / 0) (#42)
    by ding7777 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:07:19 PM EST
    Jonah "Liberal Fascism" Goldberg's endorsement

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    is he a writer (none / 0) (#43)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST
    or a sorta sprayer of letters onto a canvas.

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    Calling BTD (none / 0) (#45)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:15:52 PM EST
    Are you going to apologize to Zogby after all the beatings we both gave him? He is the only one who got FL right.

    Since I won't apologize, because I still consider him a fraud, I think you have to do it.

    It's not just running (walker) mate (none / 0) (#48)
    by Nowonmai on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:31:18 PM EST
    The US doesn't need another fossil running the country. At 71, he is of a generation that was old 10 years ago. Many tout his war record and his status as a former POW (no, I am not denigrating his service record) as reason enough for him to be president. IMO, anyone who is so gung ho about torture we need to give a serious rethink about.

    Even though he isn't showing any signs yet, 71 now, will be 72 if he gets elected, we will have to worry about another president with age related mental problems (Remember Ronald Reagan? there is a documentary on 'the declining state of Ronald Reagan's mind during his presidency and how it was successfully covered up'. Title is "Altered Statesman".)

    this is offensive (none / 0) (#49)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:34:39 PM EST
    and ageist.  I do not agree at all with this slur.

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    Sorry you feel that way (none / 0) (#54)
    by Nowonmai on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:53:12 PM EST
    But it's true.

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    Not To Worry (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:55:30 PM EST
    Because Giuliani would become president.

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    Frightening (none / 0) (#60)
    by Nowonmai on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:57:07 PM EST
    To even think of that. Gah!

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    Hit post instead of preview (none / 0) (#58)
    by Nowonmai on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:55:53 PM EST
    Age related illnesses are a consideration. Ignoring it, or going all Politically Correct with "ageist" comment isn't going to make NOT a consideration.

    And when I said "old 10 years ago" I meant the mindset. His ideals and ways are OLD. We had enough of those.

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    Let it Go (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 10:13:15 PM EST
    It's not just his chronological age, although that's an issue to me as well -- it's his mindset. I've called him "my grandfathers' oldsmobile" a few times.

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    Your comment reflects a bigoted view. (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 08:12:36 AM EST
    The US doesn't need another fossil running the country.

    Even though he isn't showing any signs yet, 71 now, will be 72 if he gets elected, we will have to worry about another president with age related mental problems

    That fossil's generation won the Cold war by their dedication and actions.

    And your generation has done????

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    It looks like "punishing" (none / 0) (#50)
    by ding7777 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:37:05 PM EST
    Florida does more for GOTV than Obama could have done.  

    Hillary has more than the entire 2004 Democratic field.

    I'm waiting (none / 0) (#51)
    by white n az on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:39:45 PM EST
    Liz Cheney, fresh off the Fred Thompson campaign joins Romney's campaign just in time to ride the chute.

    I hope that McCain finds a suitable position for her after he gets the nomination so she can have a perfect election season.

    Well one thing (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:59:00 PM EST
    if he wins he will have to either keep up with Hillary or Obama, both have shown they have tremendous stamina to do hard campaigning.

    Life expectancy (none / 0) (#64)
    by bonabo on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 10:22:45 PM EST
    Looking at the actuarial tables, if McCain takes office at 72, he has a 1:29 chance of dying each year.  If reelected at 76, he has a 1:20 chance of dying each year.  Disabling medical conditions are of course more likely...
    According to this article, (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:28:14 AM EST
    Rudy's showing in FL shows 9/11 is no longer a good meme for Republican primary candidates.  Doesn't seem like McCain agrees though.

    9-11

    Best I can (none / 0) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:23:11 PM EST
    tell, national security is still most important among adults. Those who were 17 or younger on 9/11 have a natural tendency to forget.

    And why shouldn't they? The media never mentions it and we see no pictures of burning buildings with people jumping out windows 50 stories up.

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    McCain's candidacy (none / 0) (#68)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:44:03 PM EST
    is testimony to how weak the Republican field is. The Republicans are going to run a campaign for permanent war--i.e. more war profiteering, more abuse of soldiers (think of the Fort Drum scandal), more loss of influence abroad--and that leaves the Dems to occupy the position of strength through sanity.

    Class war at home, walls on the border, bombs abroad, yeah, the Reps are really the party of ideas.

    Or not.

    Look, I understand that you don't (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 08:37:50 AM EST
    believe in national defense. BHO even said he wasn't for an anti-missile defense system. But he also said:

    the Reps are really the party of ideas.

    As to your NPR article, the complaint is centered on  the officals in New York and their conflicts withe Army.

    "The more soldiers you have who get disability retirements, the more retirement pay is coming out of your budget," Hurwitt says.

    Someone should tell Hurwitt that disability payments and retirement pay are two distinct subjects.

    And the disconnect seems to be that a team reviewing the situation believed that the VA shouldn't be helping.

    And I would love to have a John McCain as Pres on such an issue.

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    How can you be so wrong and live? (none / 0) (#71)
    by tnthorpe on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:44:01 PM EST
    Really, PPJ, I disagree with you so ipso facto I must not believe in a strong US. How bathetic of you.

    You avoided the gist of my post, since you clearly aren't bright enough to grasp it.

    Damn, isn't there a JC for you to enroll in in your neck of the woods?

    You prove my point about the lack of depth in both the Republican candidates and their supporters.

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    Maybe This: (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:53:19 PM EST
    Atrios

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