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Live-Blog: South Carolina Democratic Primary Results

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:30:00 PM EST
Tags: South Carolina 08, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards (all tags)
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Beginning now, Big Tent Democrat and I are live-blogging the South Carolina Primary results and the media coverage of them. I'll be concentrating on the results and the demographics and electoral storylines. Big Tent will focus on the media coverage.

We're using a new platform, I described it here, and to make it wider, I've put it below the fold. Just click on the "there's more" link and join us. If you want to come back to it, here's the permalink for you to bookmark.

Here we go. [More...]

You can comment in the comment section below as always...or you can submit comments through the live-blog. We'll be looking to our commenters to point out interesting themes, atrocities by the pundits, or analysis and will be elevating selected ones to our live blog.

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    Is there an online CNN feed? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by phat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:53:30 PM EST
    I might get cable soon. But then I'd probably end up watching Chris Matthews sometime and smashing my TV.

    phat

    HaHa (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:55:17 PM EST
    Good one

    [ Parent ]
    Congratulations to Barack. (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:08:34 PM EST


    Whites (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:09:17 PM EST
    he won under 30 and educated.

    He tied (none / 0) (#55)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:25:20 PM EST
    Hillary among white men.  

    [ Parent ]
    CNN is doing the race thing now too (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:09:37 PM EST


    Carl B on CNN annoying me (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:10:25 PM EST
    I don't think I'm watching any more TV tonight.

    Bill Bennett is even worse (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:15:57 PM EST
    I've turned the TV off for good tonight.

    30% win. Wow. (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:19:16 PM EST
    What can the Clintons say about this without being bashed? What can Obama say also?

    Whatever she says there will be those that bash (none / 0) (#56)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:26:44 PM EST
    her. All she can say is congrats, see you on February 5th.

    [ Parent ]
    That's still exit polls. Anyone have a sense of (none / 0) (#58)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:27:43 PM EST
    how close they'll be, with the oddities of the demographics and the like in this state?

    [ Parent ]
    I am appreciating your blogging (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:25:19 PM EST
    even though you're not seeing much in comments here.  Tonight may not be the best test, with the big news over so soon (and apparently as expected).  But your blogging, the embedded links, etc., are quite good.

    Or maybe it's just 'cause I'm agreeing with you. :-)

    Bill Clinton comment today: (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:27:56 PM EST
    As reported by MSNBC:

    Another reporter asked what it said about Obama that it "took two people to beat him." Clinton again passed. "That's' just bait, too. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign. Senator Obama's run a good campaign here, he's run a good campaign everywhere."

    The MSNBC panel took him to task for answering what appears to be a non-racial question by virtually equating Barack Obama with Jesse Jackson.

    I liked his answer the other day better. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:36:44 PM EST
    Something about women being excited to have a chance at the Presidency and blacks being excited and how that was all good. I wish I could find his exact quote. It came across much better than this one.

    Bill shouldn't have brought up Jesse but I promise you all over the south, that's what they are thinking. (I'm in TN)

    [ Parent ]

    yes I thought his earlier (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    comment you mention was positive.
    and point well taken about SC primary history being in the minds of voters.

    [ Parent ]
    no matter (none / 0) (#121)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:06:12 PM EST
    what Bill says it is called racist...ridiculous

    [ Parent ]
    The dynamics changed largely due to (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:41:08 PM EST
    Bill Clinton? How stupid. The dynamics in SC changed when the black voters realized Obama can win this thing. Can't they look at their own exit polls and see that Obama voters also like Hillary?

    No, because then they (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:42:46 PM EST
    would have to take a measured approach.

    [ Parent ]
    I think (none / 0) (#78)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:44:40 PM EST
    the polls may have nailed this one and the EXIT Polls may have missed.

    [ Parent ]
    Not Surprising (none / 0) (#82)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:47:33 PM EST
    The Race is too loaded for people to give honest answers, imo.

    [ Parent ]
    The Bradley Effect (none / 0) (#84)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:49:10 PM EST
    I think it will be present here.

    [ Parent ]
    Maybe so. BTD you made need to (none / 0) (#83)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:49:08 PM EST
    delete this after I post it but I want to tell you something about SC. My uncle lives there and retired really early. He got bored and took a part time job at an exclusive golf course he likes to play. Their pro shop does not carry Tiger Woods gear. What does that say about how representative SC is?

    [ Parent ]
    It is an anomaly state period (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:56:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Even Nevada looked more like America (nt) (none / 0) (#107)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:00:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    The Bradley Effect (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:47:07 PM EST
    I think that is something to watch for now, as if the Media does not already have race on the brain, but the results SO FAR are not pointing to a 30 point victory.

    Yeah, it's looking like 20%ish (none / 0) (#86)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:50:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    It will be interesting to watch the Media on this (none / 0) (#89)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Won't it just be more of the same? (none / 0) (#93)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:54:06 PM EST
    Or do you have something else in mind?

    [ Parent ]
    It makes it worse (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:55:57 PM EST
    Much worse.

    [ Parent ]
    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by phat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:57:56 PM EST
    phat

    [ Parent ]
    Can it get any worse? (none / 0) (#116)
    by vigkat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:55 PM EST
    I don't think so.  Ummm, on second thought. . .

    [ Parent ]
    Good NEWS (none / 0) (#103)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:58:40 PM EST
    Obama's lead is lengthening.

    Maybe no Bradely Effect.

    Phew!

    [ Parent ]

    They'll just say the Bradley Effect is less (none / 0) (#120)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:05:49 PM EST
    in SC with such a high number of AA Dems

    [ Parent ]
    wow (none / 0) (#88)
    by phat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:51:42 PM EST
    Things are going to get nastier.

    phat

    [ Parent ]

    Someone tell me before Obama or (none / 0) (#92)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:54:05 PM EST
    Clinton speaks. I have on basketball. (Lofton is back BTD...5/6 three pointers in first half.)

    [ Parent ]
    Gators play tomorrow (none / 0) (#96)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:55:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    6 threes in first half. 20 points. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:58:10 PM EST
    I'll watch the Gators for you.

    Are you watching returns on a website or just TV?

    [ Parent ]

    TV (none / 0) (#104)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:59:29 PM EST
    Is there a web site?

    [ Parent ]
    That's my question (none / 0) (#110)
    by phat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:39 PM EST
    phat

    [ Parent ]
    Not that I know of. (none / 0) (#117)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:03:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Obama to speak in about an hour (none / 0) (#109)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Elijah Cummings (none / 0) (#94)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:54:29 PM EST
    makes a mistake playing the victim here.

    [ Parent ]
    do you mean in the exit polling? (none / 0) (#125)
    by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:13:36 PM EST
    I think people check off a form when they answer an exit poll, they don't talk to the pollster in that sense.

    but there apparently IS a self-selection issue, in that some groups may want to answer an exit poll more than others.

    but it could also be explained by the incomplete and somewhat hybrid nature of the earlt exit poll numbers.

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks you guys! (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by jen on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:54:33 PM EST
    Your live blogging was sooooo much better than watching the spinning heads on the teevee! Avoided it altogether.
    I'm still watching, just not listening (none / 0) (#105)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:59:47 PM EST
    so that I can follow the numbers coming in on the crawl.

    But it's really fun to just watch -- their talking heads really do spin. I'm waiting for the first one that does a full, 360-degree, Linda Blair in the Exorcist rotation.:-)

    [ Parent ]

    New Thread (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:24 PM EST
    up here on how insulting it is that CNN is covering McCain within an hour of the polls closing.

    If you have thoughts about the live-blog, please leave them here. It was so much easier and faster from my point of view.  I really liked being able to read your comments live in the main screen. It was also easier to include links and images. The polls were fun too.

    Would you like us to do it that way on Feb. 5? Or the next debate?

    only problem (none / 0) (#114)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:43 PM EST
    i have with live blog is everytime you put up a poll to take I froze up and that drove me nuts..

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#115)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:48 PM EST
    It was great and can only get better.  Thank you TL and BTD

    [ Parent ]
    the GE (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:43 PM EST
    I am a southerner from birth to adult hood and I can tell ya right now that blacks will vote for clinton hands down in the GE

    Why? (none / 0) (#118)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:03:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh (none / 0) (#119)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:05:45 PM EST
    Sorry, My head was still in the primaries. I agree, but do you think that of Republican AA's too?

    [ Parent ]
    I spoke with an AA couple I know today (none / 0) (#122)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:08:08 PM EST
    This is not offered as representative of anything-

    She voted for Obama. She said to her husband, we may finally have a (AA) candidate who can win.

    He voted for HRC. He replied, I like him, but when I got to actually vote, I thought she was more likely to win the GE. He isn't ready.

    He thinks a HRC-Obama ticket would lose cause there are too many bigots.

    (this was Florida early voting).

     

    [ Parent ]

    There is no reason (3.66 / 3) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:49:54 PM EST
    to watch MSNBC for the rest of the night.

    I am bitterly disappointed in KO's performance.

    They are all making up for Tweety not being there.

    He's been reading too many candidate diaries (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:51:34 PM EST
    at dkos.

    [ Parent ]
    And posting them! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:53:55 PM EST
    You stole my line!

    And lol at Jeralyn. She said "Tweety" upstairs.

    [ Parent ]

    Why are you disappointed? (none / 0) (#50)
    by DA in LA on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:20:44 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    PLEASE COMPLAIN ABOUT MSNBC COVERAGE (none / 0) (#99)
    by BernieO on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:56:43 PM EST
    Craig Crawford hit the nail on the head this morning http://www.taylormarsh.com/. (Be sure to watch the video, not just read the transcript.) It is the media who have been pushing the race card the hardest. Obama has piggybacked on it, but the media is completely out of control. We all need to hammer MSNBC with complaints for this incredibly irresponsible behavior. It is not only bad for the Democratic Party, it is also terrible for our country. As I type this, Russert is saying that when blacks hear the Clintons say that Obama is a young, eloquent leader but not ready for the presidency, this is DISRESPECTFUL! Clinton mentioned that Jesse Jackson won some races and this is racist. Good God.

    letters@msnbc.com" <letters@msnbc.com>,
    phil.griffin@nbc.com,
    steve.capus@nbc.com

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take the time to write and complain about this. Also write to your local paper, the NYTIMES, etc.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, you say that (none / 0) (#113)
    by DA in LA on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:29 PM EST
    and then Bill makes his Jesse Jackson comment.  If you give them the ammo...

    [ Parent ]
    cnn is better? (3.66 / 3) (#42)
    by Klio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:10:04 PM EST
    msnbc must be abysmal, in that case

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by chrisvee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:14:45 PM EST
    I have to say that they have taken an abysmal turn since 7:00a.  The CNN contributor who is ranting about Hillary have to pay for her 'southern strategy' sounds unhinged, frankly.

    [ Parent ]
    clinton's southern strategy?!? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Klio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:29:41 PM EST
    gosh, they're ignorant.  know absolutely no history

    [ Parent ]
    and if (none / 0) (#123)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:08:24 PM EST
    you as a Hillary supporter feel that way, can you Imagine how Hillary supporters all across America feel that support her???

    [ Parent ]
    I wonder what the DNC thinks. . . (3.00 / 2) (#35)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:05:34 PM EST
    now about the wisdom of promoting SC to the front of the pack?

    It would be better to front (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:07:57 PM EST
    a representative state. FL, NY, PA, CA. . . .

    F IA and NH.

    [ Parent ]

    Definitely New York. . . (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by LarryInNYC on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:11:24 PM EST
    in fact, probably no need to actually have any of the other states vote at all.

    [ Parent ]
    Agree. Race inevitable in Deep South primary (2.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:33:46 PM EST
    as I wrote in an earlier thread here.

    AAs are two and a half times the national norm in SC.  Imagine a state with such a skewed gendering of the population.  Of course, it isn't even possible!

    But say, we had a state in which women were even two-thirds of the population -- less than 15 percent more than what they are now.  If the DNC put an early primary in that state, questions of gender in the voting results would be inevitable, even without a woman candidate.

    Similarly, the DNC putting an early primary in the Deep South made race an inevitable issue, and this early on, even without a candidate of color.

    Combine that with the DNC deciding that Nevada had to have a caucus, combine that with the DNC dissing delegates in a big blue state and another significant one . . . and I think we need to ask serious questions about party leadership.

    [ Parent ]

    But Isn't Race (none / 0) (#71)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:39:09 PM EST
    An issue with Iowa and NH? Mostly white.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, definitely -- good point; thanks (none / 0) (#85)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:50:06 PM EST
    but it wasn't seen and wouldn't be seen that way by the msm.  I ought to have made clear that I was talking about the media narrative, not reality. :-)

    Similarly, when only white men were presidential candidates, it took a long time for poli sci scholars and then the msm to talk about the gender gap -- long after it started to show up, when some bothered to go back and look.

    And of course, the msm still won't really address class as a factor in the race; they mention it, but they don't really talk about it.  Probably don't know how to talk about it.  But the class splits were there even before msm noted the economy rising to the top of the issues.  (I think it was there sooner, too, especially in some states in recessions for some time now.)  

    [ Parent ]

    Really? (none / 0) (#87)
    by oldpro on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:50:26 PM EST
    You think now is the time to pick a fight with the Deaniacs?

    Woooeeee...

    [ Parent ]

    This is not a good night (3.00 / 2) (#69)
    by carolyn13 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:36:24 PM EST
    but the live blog rocked from my perspective. I hope it worked out okay for you two. I'd like to see it again on Super Tuesday.

    81% of tbe Black vote (1.00 / 1) (#33)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:03:40 PM EST
    for Obama.  BTD may be right, it'll kill him later.

    Excellent analysis up there BTD (1.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:22:58 PM EST


    Dems can't carry South Carolina (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:27:39 PM EST
    anyway. Hopefully we'll be back to the issues Monday.

    FISA FISA FISA (none / 0) (#63)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:29:54 PM EST
    oh and FISA.

    Salazar is going to want a restraining order against me for calling him every day.

    [ Parent ]

    Vague warnings that blacks may (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:27:22 PM EST
    abandon the Clintons for good. The exit polls seem to contradict this.

    They are killing Obama (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:58:24 PM EST
    with this talk.

    [ Parent ]
    Bill just really pissed me off (none / 0) (#30)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:01:43 PM EST
    comparing today to Jesse Jackson's victories.

    The context of the answer really was as blatant a racial commentary as either of the Clintons have made to date.

    [ Parent ]

    Indeed (none / 0) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:30:16 PM EST
    And Obama would be a fool to make a big deal out of it.

    Despicable work from Clinton though.

    [ Parent ]

    Agreed (none / 0) (#65)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:32:48 PM EST
    the press will carry this for Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    race-baiting (none / 0) (#91)
    by lilburro on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:53:26 PM EST
    Not too sensitive by Bill, but I wonder what the point of race-baiting would be on his part.  What will it really do to the electorate other than alienate African-Americans?  The white senior citizens I volunteered with today in the Hillary camp were not previously suffering from color-blindness; it was said:  "I don't want a black president."  "I won't vote for a black man."  You don't have to spin that.  There is the possibility President Clinton is intentionally trying to frame Obama's achievement in South Carolina in a disparaging manner, there is the possibility he is reflexively categorizing Obama with other former black presidential candidates; and then there is the problem of racism in the Democratic Party not being called out.  I'd like to see the Clintons help do the latter while this primary competition is still on.  

    [ Parent ]
    It may alienate the young voters too (none / 0) (#124)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:09:08 PM EST
    Obama got 49% of the under 29 year old white vote.  The new generation is probably more immune to race-baiting and their reaction to this may be a backlash against Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    Let me say (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:33:48 PM EST
    I am not loving this live blog thing.

    When J comes back, I ll be in the comments.

    Nice Livebloging (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:35:53 PM EST
    Software.

    But the comments features should be jettisoned (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:36:59 PM EST
    I hope folks pull it back to the threads.

    I am not loving the function on that score.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes No Need to Juggle (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:40:52 PM EST
    Since we have the comments here. The first live blogging between the two of you was pretty dynamic. Better just the two of you.

    [ Parent ]
    okay (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:48:55 PM EST
    I won't publish any more reader comments, put your comments here.  

    [ Parent ]
    It is too hard to see them (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:53:30 PM EST
    I think we can refer to them if we like..

    [ Parent ]
    I figured that "feature" would be (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:42:21 PM EST
    a problem.

    [ Parent ]
    MSBNC (none / 0) (#7)
    by chrisvee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:45:03 PM EST
    is unwatchable.  They are really harping on the exit polls and implicating Hillary much more than Obama (which I don't see based on the numbers).

    CNN is a little easier to watch.

    OK, I'm convinced. I'm switching to CNN (none / 0) (#9)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:46:59 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    In time to listen to Bill Bennett. . . (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:47:54 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That says it all doesn't it? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:48:59 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:50:37 PM EST
    Both on commercial now, so my "last" button is getting a workout. Fox is no go.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry! (none / 0) (#18)
    by chrisvee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:51:05 PM EST
    It is hard to listen to him.

    [ Parent ]
    Enjoy CNN (none / 0) (#52)
    by DA in LA on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:23:45 PM EST
    A black woman and a racist as "pundits"

    How that man is allowed on television is beyond me..

    [ Parent ]

    Out of the country for NH, I only had CNN (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:49:13 PM EST
    and it won me over from MSNBC for this, even before knowing there wouldn't be a Tweets tonight.  I tried MSNBC again today and coudn't stomach the rest of the crew.  The bias is so bad today and tonight.

    CNN's John King's maps and analyses on NH night were really useful.  So that's where I'll be now. . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Nice Popups (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:46:00 PM EST
    Picts and polls.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:48:05 PM EST
    It's so much easier to do it this way.

    [ Parent ]
    Wow! Links too (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:54:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Edwards finish will be important (none / 0) (#10)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:47:01 PM EST
    since he's spent more money on TV ads in SC than Obama and Clinton combined.
    Nice (none / 0) (#20)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:53:03 PM EST
    BTD has finally er... corrupted TL

    Where's Tweety?

    I am sure it will pass.

    Anyone interested (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:56:53 PM EST
    I am not going to watch MSNBC anymore tonight.

    Or maybe ever.

    I guess it's called already based on (none / 0) (#28)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    Susanne's comments? Not that I'm surprised.

    CNN (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by chrisvee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:59:50 PM EST
    to project the winner shortly.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama wins already (none / 0) (#31)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:03:24 PM EST
    so says MSNBC

    [ Parent ]
    Obama did decent with white votes. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:03:40 PM EST
    I'm glad. So why the race, race, race discussion.

    Or maybe not. I forgot to add (none / 0) (#34)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:05:32 PM EST
    Clinton and Edwards votes together. He got about one quarter of the white vote.

    I hate hate this narrative.

    [ Parent ]

    Let's see.. (none / 0) (#36)
    by TheRealFrank on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:07:42 PM EST
    80% of black voters = 40%
    25% of white voters = 12%

    That would mean he gets 50%.

    Question then is: who comes 2nd?


    [ Parent ]

    Hillary got much more black vote than (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:11:19 PM EST
    Edwards so I think Hillary. Well, maybe not since there is so much higher numbers of white vote left over to divide. I forgot who won the white vote, Edwards or Hillary? And isn't it awful that we are even thinking this way?

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    39-36 (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:34:20 PM EST
    Edwards.

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    Edwards white men... (none / 0) (#81)
    by oldpro on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:47:12 PM EST
    Hillary white women.

    Gender gap.

    There wasn't one in the AA vote...or negligible.

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    Morons (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:08:00 PM EST
    TL: They have totally reduced it to race and gender. That's insulting to us all. As if no one decided on the candidate's positions, promises and agendas.

    I guess it was much easier for them to hide their stupidity  when only white guys were running.

    Jeralyn, I have to laugh...those (none / 0) (#48)
    by Teresa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:16:51 PM EST
    talking heads can push us to our limits can't they? I agree on Bernstein. He never misses a chance to bash the Clintons. And why do they have Republicans discussing our results? Are all of the Democratic analysts committed to a candidate?

    Going forward (none / 0) (#53)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:23:53 PM EST
    I'd much rather be in Clinton's shoes.  At least there's some diversity in her vote.
    Obama got 49% whites under 30 yrs old (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by magster on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:28:09 PM EST
    and tied Hillary among white men.

    And 30 point victory overall.

    And Bill overtly played the race card by essentially stating that Jesse Jackson won too.

    A bad night for the Clintons.  Not much spin here.

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    Well Jesse Jackson (none / 0) (#77)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:44:31 PM EST
    did win there twice.  Are you denying that's true? It all is not about your race.

    Obama was trascending race, then JJjr played the race card first the day after NH.  He used it up to now for an SC win, now wants to forget about it.

    That's OK with me, but good luck on Feb 5th.

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    If You Assume (none / 0) (#68)
    by bob h on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:36:11 PM EST
    a 50-50 black-white split, then the CNN exit #s show that Hillary bests Edwards by about 7%.

    53% A-A (none / 0) (#75)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:43:51 PM EST
    And even then, I think the numbers point to a 10 point margin between Hillary and Edwards.

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    Whites mostly Republican voters? Population in SC (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:44:10 PM EST
    is 29 percent AA, per census (2006, I think).

    Is 50 percent AA vote typical in Dem elections in SC?  Did Obama bring out more than usual?  With 60 percent of voters today there women, that's a bit (but just a bit) above norms for Dems, too.  Which candidate brought them out?  That could be key for a win in November nationwide, but not in SC, of course . . . so whether SC tells us anything much, who knows.

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    Yup, that's right (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:45:29 PM EST
    In the deep south, the Democratic party has become the black party.

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    Gov Crist (FL) is endorsing McCain in Fla now live (none / 0) (#90)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:52:18 PM EST


    I actually like Crist.. (none / 0) (#97)
    by trillian on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:55:41 PM EST
    A vast improvement imho from Jebby boy

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    Yeah Sanchez.... (none / 0) (#106)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:00:48 PM EST
    California loves women...so if almost half voted against him how is this a rout?  
    It's not a rout. (none / 0) (#112)
    by oldpro on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:51 PM EST


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    Bill Clinton speaking now on MSNBC (none / 0) (#126)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:15:11 PM EST
    Feb 5th millions of Americans finally get in the act.

    ... rush (none / 0) (#127)
    by robrecht on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:18:35 PM EST
    Big victory in FL.  I think I know something about what it takes to put together a successful presidency.  In my current capacity post politics [!] he works with ordinary Americans, helping iwth loans, AIDS, global warming.  If I had never been married to Hillary but knew what I know about her record, working with Republicans in Senate, what she did in the WH years, what she did while he was governor of AK, what she did as a lawyer with abused children, would still be there campaigning with her here.

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    I had to laugh (none / 0) (#128)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:21:30 PM EST
    Bill firsts points out his obvious bias for his wife, then tries to tell people they should support her.

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    I just finished reading (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:03:39 PM EST
    the no-longer "live blog" and all the ocmments.  Quite interesting.  Keep up the good work.  I do think everything would be more interesting to read simultaneously with watching the live coverage.  
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