Bill Moyers On LBJ, MLK and Hillary

Josh Marshall points to Bill Moyers' commentary on the brouhaha over Hillary's LBJ/MLK comments. Moyers also provides a wonderful tribute to both LBJ and MLK. Watch it. A great piece.

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    A Great Piece Is Right (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 09:44:48 AM EST
    He eloquently put the whole issue into the correct perspective. What a shame that Bill Moyers isn't the standard fare of what Americans see on their TVs.

    It is a shame (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Rojas on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:58:33 AM EST
    ANd you should ask Bill Moyers what he thinks about media consolodation, another republican idea the clintons enacted

    The money quote (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Rojas on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:06:38 AM EST
    "Make it possible for me to do the right thing".

    While his inclination was to to relie on his political prowess, it is implicit in this quote that MLK has convinced him the issue was larger than the presidency even with the political skills of Johnson.

    Thanks for this. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by masslib on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:34:40 AM EST
    Watching this made me really emotional.  It's hard to believe we are not very far removed from these events.

    All of this (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:47:13 AM EST
    brings back strong memories of growing up in a small southern town (75% black) and the long hours of demonstrations and the violence...Wow...Wonder what MLK would think about all this today...

    Thanks BTD (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:27:04 AM EST
    This should put the idiocy to res, although it is hard to quell obamaniacs on the issue. They are as relentless as zombies.

    Moyers said everything I did (none / 0) (#4)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:35:45 AM EST
    on the topic yesterday to jgarza - who absolutely refused to get it.  

    Well We Will See (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:42:06 AM EST
    With all due respect you are no Moyers. But who knows, they may start calling Moyers a racist and Hillary shill.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#8)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:55:04 AM EST
    for letting everyone know I am not Bill.  I am sure that people here were confused and needed you to point that out. :-) Just so ya know, I think Bill has better things to do then spend 20 minutes like I did trying to help jgarza read a few simple sentences.  His audience is a tad different.

    My point remains.  I said the exact same thing last night.  And I am glad that Josh marshall posted it on TPM - I missed the show last night.


    OK (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:00:22 AM EST
    Thanks for the clarification.  

    sure (none / 0) (#13)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:05:33 AM EST
    so do go read what I posted in the MKL thread Big Tent posted about 6 or 8 posts back. You will see I am right.  I didnt see anyone on these boards say anything like it so maybe I am no Bill Moyers, buit I am the closest to him on this of anyone on these boards.



    here is the title (none / 0) (#14)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:07:39 AM EST
    LBJ, MLK And The Civil Rights Acts
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:07:28 PM EST

    I Read It (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:34:01 AM EST
    When you wrote it, or soon afterwards.

    then I wonder (none / 0) (#20)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:22:32 PM EST
    at your earlier comment.

    I like you - I guess I wonder at why it is okay that other peoople here point out their comments about something in the past and you took exception to my doing so from last night - I adore Bill Moyers and was tickled pink we were in sync.  

    But I will let this go here.  The idea that I actually bothered to waste my time last night is what is bugging me - not anything you say.  I need to get a new teevee and go back to listening to PBS.  This is a very limited range of discussion and it gets frustrating to read the same closed minded nonsense (excluding the obvious few and Jeralyn for whom I have nothing but admiration).

    Best -


    WOnder? (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:26:45 PM EST
    About what? That I believe Moyers has greater influence than you?

    As I said, with all due respect, Moyers is a star, with a long and well deserved reputation, you are a blogger on TL and whatever you said, as right on as it was, does not have anywhere near the power of Moyers' presentation of the same material.


    Johnson was a liar and a crook and a murderer (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:41:19 AM EST
    He had no choice on Civil Rights, the decision was made for him.  What was he going to do, initiate a racial war?  He did what was presented to him by OTHERS, through THEIR sacrifice, not his.  He signed some papers, he wasn't courageous, he simply did what any decent human being would.  That he couldn't do the same for the suffering Vietnamese, well, one can only hope for a little suffering in the afterlife.  We should stop raising common decency, when committed by wretches, to the level of virtue.  That said, interesting that Hillary Clinton is, in effect, trying to quash the votes of largely poor and minority culinary workers in Nevada.    

    Johnson (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by athyrio on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:50:53 AM EST
    It is widely known in history, that Johnson felt deeply about this subject and went against the gain nearly totally in his own party. He showed rare courage in a president on this subject. On other things he was a bit of a crooked politician but on this one thing he was even warned that if he did it the democratic party would be lost in the south for generations but he stated he needed to do it anyway....Read your history....(I am old enough that I lived it) It was a amazing part of our history Dadler please don't distort it...

    it is called (none / 0) (#10)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:57:19 AM EST
    change the subject time.

    Moyers worked for LBJ - he knows more than this poster ever will.


    oh now it is change the subject (none / 0) (#9)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:56:22 AM EST
    refuse to acknowledge the reality of what Bill said and go after LBJ instead.  Sad.

    The Clintons pushing (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:57:57 AM EST
    for NAFTA and Welfare Reform probobly assuaged, somewhat, those whom Johnsons reforms may have left vengence minded.

    Afterall, we live in a democracy and all voices must be heard.


    Well of course (none / 0) (#18)
    by Rojas on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:52:40 AM EST
    That the clinton's repeatedly sold people out, who most needed our help, to maintain their hold on power is their particular cinderella story. ANd it's one thing to adopt some republican idea that will help you politicaly but is effectivly retorical, but the clintons have consistantly   taken some of the worst ideas, the tectonic issues that truly cause a plate shift. They have empowered some of the worst eliments of our system at a time when we truly needed an opposistion party.

    clueless (none / 0) (#21)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:23:49 PM EST
    Buy a clue (none / 0) (#23)
    by Rojas on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:47:30 PM EST
    I won't venure to guess how old you are, but if you think the 90s were a good time for progressive values, you might want to reconsider your party affiliation. Most of the indicators from that period are bad, real bad and much of it is a result of not being an opposistion party. The clintons ran the party.

    Which indicators? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:58:04 PM EST
    Employment? Income growth? Income DISTRIBUTION?

    You'll excuse me for not taking your comment seriously.


    Stupid comment (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:27:34 PM EST