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Responding to Max Sawicky's point about Obama's conceit that he will transform politics, Paul Waldman writes a piece that is all confusion and fantasy. Sawicky wrote:

Today in the Post we find Obama claiming an advantage over Clinton by virtue of his capacity to unify the country. The last thing we need, at a point where the Democrats can establish a decisive margin of political power, is somebody out to unify the country. I fear that Senator Obama is turning into the DLC candidate, in all but name.

I think Sawicky is wrong in thinking of Obama as the DLC candidate. There is no DLC candidate. Not even Biden. The DLC is basically irrelevant to Democratic politcs, but still willing to be a weapon for Republican politics by their incessant bashing of Democrats as too far Left.

No, Obama's problem, as I have argued ad nauseum, is the notion that he will be the first politican in history who can lead his political party to success while not engaging in partisanship. It is pure foolishness. But what is especially galling is Obama's willingess to be divisive among Democrats while promising to not be divisive with Republicans. It is simply political madness. A madness that apparently infected Paul Waldman:

Obama's unity is not about triangulation. So what is it about? There are a couple of ways to look at it. The uncharitable interpretation is that it's all talk, just vague encomia to buying the world a Coke, smilin' on your brother, and so on. The more charitable interpretation is that it's an extremely deft kind of political jujitsu that attempts to advance an agenda that some people won't like, without doing what George Bush and Karl Rove did, which is to make them hate you forever in the process.

(Emphasis supplied.) Come again? "An extremely deft kind of political jujitsu that some people won't like, without . . . making them hate you forever? Ooooohhhhh. I see. Like FDR right? Republicans loved him right? Nooo, Republicans hated FDR with a passion. Or how about like Clinton? Yes, the Republicans didn't demonize Clinton did they?

Sheesh. How naive can people be? Was Waldman born yesterday?

But what really pissed me off about Waldman's piece is his Republican tactic of creating strawmen to attack. He writes:

It's completely understandable for those of us on the left to yearn for a candidate who will do to the right what they've been doing to us for the last seven years.

Who yearns for that? We want to win! And winning means not just Obama winning. Or even just Democrats winning. It means a progressive agenda winning. Of course for a progressive agenda to win, Democrats need to win. This is the whole idea behind the Netroots partisanship and calls for contrast politics. Waldman acts as if what is wanted is juvenile, petty revenge. A pathetic misstatement of our goals. Extremely weak of him.

Waldman further writes:

Let's assume, though, that your goal is to destroy conservatism and turn the GOP into a pathetic, dessicated husk of a party forever running from its failures (oh, to think of it!). It's less than obvious that a frontal assault - particularly one led by the Democratic Party's nominee for president, or by a Democratic president him/herself - is the best way to do it.

What is obvious is that the standardbearer of the Party can not be the person denouncing a contrast campaign. Has Waldman considered the political history of the United States? I think not.

And as seems to be the favorite example of folks supporting this Obama political folly, Ronald Reagan is invoked:

Think about it this way: Ronald Reagan always had a smile on his face and a kind word for his opponents.

No he freaking did not!!! He tarred and smeared Democrats at every turn. He talked of welfare queens, limousine liberal, and dastardly Dems all the time. In what reality did Paul Waldman live during the Reagan years? This is just nonsense.

Then Waldman wrote:

George W. Bush had a smirk on his face and a shiv ready to stick in his opponents. Who did more for conservatism, and more damage to the other side?

Sure he did and so did Reagan. What is different about the two? Bush is perceived to be the worst President in history because his POLICIES failed, not because his politics were mean.

Silly post from Waldman.

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    Well. . . (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by pontificator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:39:23 PM EST
    The key to a successful presidency is succesfully advancing a partisan agenda while creating the appearance of being nonpartisan and above-it-all.  Obama, of all the candidates, has the most potential to pull that off.  His basic policy positions are strongly progressive and consistent with mainstream Democratic partisan positions, and his rhetoric on the war and the Bush administration has been [don't laugh] quite strong, but in a classic "kill 'em with kindness" way.  That rhetorical style is veeerrry effective, and if he is at his core effectively advancing progressive (and partisan) policy goals, then I am certainly not going to complain.

    The key to BECOMING President (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:11:28 PM EST
    is convincing the American People that you are better than the other guy.

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    I can buy into that (none / 0) (#24)
    by talex on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:42:29 PM EST
    The key to a successful presidency is successfully advancing a partisan agenda while creating the appearance of being nonpartisan and above-it-all.

    Of course there are many ways to describe how to be a successful President but this would be one that applies.

    I'm not a Obama supporter so I'll not comment on the rest of your post.

    Parent

    By the way (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by pontificator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:41:19 PM EST
    When do you publish your Chris Dodd endorsement (which you hinted at earlier)?

    Tomorrow at MYDD (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:12:05 PM EST
    I'll look for it (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by pontificator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:26:34 PM EST
    So what do you think of the post-Stoller-Bowers MyDD?

    Parent
    Much better (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:32:25 PM EST
    Mostly cuz I post there now . . .

    Parent
    What did they used to say (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:37:52 PM EST
    "It's all about Armando!" heh.

    Parent
    AndI am not the only one (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:15:32 PM EST
    who likes itthat way. Even my bitterest enemies insist it is so.

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    I remember. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:23:28 PM EST
    hey (none / 0) (#34)
    by taylormattd on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 01:02:29 AM EST
    thanks for helping out tonight at DKos, I appreciated it!

    Parent
    You brought the issue (none / 0) (#39)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 09:14:07 AM EST
    so I brought my time. There was never any question of me not sticking around.

    BTW, good job presenting the issue.

    Parent

    How about including: (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 02:01:08 AM EST
    cross-posted at MyDD?  Interesting comments there to this post and lots of interaction between the poster and commenters, some of whom are quite tenacious.  

    Parent
    I think that's a great idea. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 08:06:58 AM EST
    Obama is simply flailing away (4.00 / 1) (#1)
    by SiAtta5 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:44:51 PM EST
    Obama's problem is he is simply throwing everything he could think of at Hillary to see what sticks.  Granting that he has the "charisma" and the funds, why is it that he has not made any progress vis-a-vis Hillary?  To me, it is simply because he has not said or done anything to fill that  "empty suit" perception of him.  At every turn he demonstrates his inexperience and lack of expertise in the way that govt. works.  

    Generally speaking, no matter who is running, a third will be in total support; a third will be totally against; and a third will actually decide the outcome depending on who can be most convincing to them.

    Hillary's "negatives" will eventually settle iin the 30-40% level.  But as long as she convinces more than 50% to vote for her, she's in!  So far, she's well on her way.  

    Is Obama unique (none / 0) (#2)
    by RedHead on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:50:48 PM EST
    Hillary is lauded by Bill Kristol.

    Hillary defended her relationship with Rupert Murdoch.

    Hillary big photo opts with Gingrich and McCain (and if I remember this correctly, Delay).

    Seven months ago, she appeared with Lieberman and his annual bashing of video games.

    Also, her recent performance at CNN's religion forum, where she cast herself as the middle, regarding choice.

    She'll "fight back" when attacked, but will she be partisan and brand the republicans to the margin, or will she continue to embrace Gingrich & Fox in her efforts to appeal to "the center" and "undecideds" ?    

    Aside: never forget Reagan began his 1980 campaign in Philidephia, Mississippi, where Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by terrorists, only 16 years earlier.


    Hillary is (none / 0) (#3)
    by dkmich on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:16:47 PM EST
    the DLC  &  establishment candidate.   Listening to the Ed Schultz Show, lady truck driver from somwhere down south called in to support Hillary.  Her reasoning went something like this.  Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill will come to the WH with her.  She liked life under Bill, and she couldn't wait for him to come back. Apparently she sees Hillary as Bill's third term.   Yepper!  Mainstream, establishment candidate. The DLC ain't done yet.

    Ummm (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:25:35 PM EST
    That is not very convincing as an argument quite frankly.

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    Obama should forget Hillary (none / 0) (#7)
    by timber on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:42:42 PM EST
    Obama should forget about Hillary and just talk about what he wants to do, his policies and listen to people.

    I remember John Kerry did not receive traction when all he did was to bash Dean.  But once he stop that and just focus on his policies, and sell his policies--then his numbers improve.

    Talking about unifying the country and solving its problems is Obama's distinguishing mark that attracts independents and make him palatable to crossover Republicans. In fact, Obama came third in a Republican straw poll in Iowa recently.  

    Obama does not have to win all Republicans,  just enough of them in purple states to turn the states blue.

    Kerry moved up when (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:10:40 PM EST
    he went after Bush.

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    Kerry Wasn't (none / 0) (#23)
    by talex on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:39:28 PM EST
    scrapping his 'above the frey' promise.

    Parent
    I take it you are criticizing (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:14:45 PM EST
    Obama there.

    If so, I concur.

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    I don't think he is a bad guy (none / 0) (#32)
    by talex on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:44:47 PM EST
    but I don't buy what he is selling.

    First of all any one man who thinks he can bridge the gap between Left and Right with the current crop of Righty's both in office and out is either delusional or selling snake oil.

    Parent

    Presumably when he's actually running against a (none / 0) (#8)
    by Geekesque on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:44:33 PM EST
    Republican, he'd break out the partisanship.

    Or, when he's a President trying to get his agenda enacted.

    What this primary will be about is what Democrats want for their own party.  If people think that the Clinton administration was as good as it gets, they'll vote for Hillary.  


    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:09:57 PM EST
    The first primary inthehistory of politics where the other Party is not criticized.

    I take it you like what Axelrod is doing.

    Don't look now Geek, but Obama is going down in flames.

    Parent

    Really? (none / 0) (#25)
    by talex on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:49:45 PM EST
    The first primary inthehistory of politics where the other Party is not criticized.

    You must not have watched any of the debates or read many articles. There has been plenty of criticism of the Repubs and Bush. And plenty bashing of the Dems from the Repubs to.

    Parent

    You make my point (none / 0) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:13:48 PM EST
    Try reading what I wrote more carefully.

    Parent
    Still Reads The Same To Me (none / 0) (#31)
    by talex on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:39:59 PM EST
    Care to clarify what you meant?

    Parent
    Not really (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:58:50 PM EST
    Try reading the comment I am responding to.

    It is quite obvious what I meant.

    Parent

    Does criticizing Bush, McCain, Romney, Grassley (none / 0) (#36)
    by Geekesque on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 07:53:46 AM EST
    and Sununu count as criticizing Republicans?

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    Incidentally, I think the primary race is already (none / 0) (#38)
    by Geekesque on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 08:13:55 AM EST
    over.  Clinton has managed to convince most Democrats that Obama is unqualified for the office.  Combine that with the strong loyalty and nostalgia Democrats have for the Clintons, and she's unbeatable in our primary.

    The Establishment always wins.  Always.

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    But (none / 0) (#9)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:54:14 PM EST
    somebody's got to pander to those 60% or so of the electorate who see it like a parent with a couple of squabbling kids and Excedrin headache #93 and say what they really want is for the uber-partisan bickering to just end...

    Suuure (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:08:58 PM EST
    Cuz that'll get their vote.

    Unity 08 baby!

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    Well (none / 0) (#15)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:15:47 PM EST
    I think that's what's motivating the direction he's taking.

    I think he should just advance his own agenda and get past the bickering by presenting something obviously better than what the other guys have - ie, ignore the fighting and just step past it with a substantive campaign rather than all this meta-type stuff.

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    Pssst (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:21:52 PM EST
    There really are not that many substantive differences between them.

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    Not as many (none / 0) (#19)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:36:22 PM EST
    as they should be offering to choose from, for sure. Spam, spam, and baked beans is about the size of it. Far too narrow.

    But on the other hand I'd be just as happy not see Obama do any more off the cuff policy statements just in order to distinguish himself.

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    But (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:37:15 PM EST
    then he would not be making any policy statements.

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    Just not the (none / 0) (#22)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:39:12 PM EST
    off the cuff part.

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    He'd be the first elected black leader... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:08:39 PM EST
    ...of a majority white country.  That alone would be profound -- and for more than simply this nation.  Whether he could win a general election country-wide is another matter obviously.

    That said, Obama isn't doing anything that strikes me as creative or imaginative or out-of-the-box.  And he's striking out because of it.