Waking Up To Rudy

Via Kevin Drum, conservative James Joyner has woken up to Rudy:

Otherwise, I must concur in Matt Yglesias‘ judgment: “this man is bats[**]t insane.” . . . [T]he more I learn about Giuliani, the less I like him. . . . The more I hear and read, . . ., the more I think Giuliani is either a charlatan or a simpleton. Either he’s lying to us and we therefore have no idea what his foreign policy will be or, worse, this is what he really thinks. Either way, it’s not good.

Rudy is the most dangerous person running for President by far. An insane, lying charlatan, in the words of Joyner. Good to see people are waking up to this fact.

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    As one TPM put it, he combines (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by Geekesque on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:41:23 AM EST
    Bush's foreign policy with Bill Clinton's zipper problems.

    A ghastly, awful human being.

    Were that we lived in an America (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:01:19 PM EST
    where only the latter mattered.

    You mean the former, right? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Geekesque on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:13:12 PM EST
    Still, his impulse control combined with his authoritarianism is scary.

    Oops (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:29:10 PM EST

    OMG (none / 0) (#9)
    by coigue on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:49:42 PM EST
    That is a perfect description: except is there a way to add that he also embodies Bush's domestic security plans?

    How bout..... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:12:29 PM EST
    Bush's foreign policy, Clinton's zipper, and Moussolini's domestic train schedule.

    What a trifecta!


    Nope (none / 0) (#22)
    by coigue on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:56:08 PM EST
    I know too many Americans that would LOVE to have those train schedules!

    Don't remind me.... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:12:17 PM EST
    how many cheerleaders for tyranny we have in this country...its depressing.

    sorry 'bout that. (none / 0) (#26)
    by coigue on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    very very very sorry.

    of all the republican candidates (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ksh on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:46:33 AM EST
    rudy's almost as much as a buffoon as Mitt.  I hope Dems attack his "strengths" by taking a page from the roivan playbook.

    electability (none / 0) (#7)
    by manys on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:07:47 PM EST
    I think these are all good reasons to support Giuliani as the Republican candidate.

    i'm torn (none / 0) (#8)
    by ksh on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:41:49 PM EST
    as to whether I want Mitt or Rudy to be their nominee.  I'm all for any justification for either's defeat in the general, but it's hard to pick which candidate is the most vulnerable.

    If we were attacked (I'm mean really, not one of those scares), I think the unthinking populace could flock to Rudy.  Since I don't see the war as even having the possibility of "going well," I don't see either of them benefitting from their Bushboy stances.

    On the other hand, there are lots of wonderful pics of Rudy in dresses and lots of dirt on him former marriages.

    Dang, I can't make up my mind.

    I think Novakula said something like (paraphrasing), "2008 is the year the dems would most likely win the White House and true to form they shoot themselves in the foot by running a black man and a woman...."

    All obviously objectionable things about this remark aside, 2008 is the year that the republicans ran suits so empty they're still on the hanger.

    Hmmm, which republican loser to hope for?


    I'm rooting for Ron Paul.... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    but only because I'd actually vote for him over Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

    Otherwise, Steve Kubby it is.


    A big homemade sign in the back (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:27:30 PM EST
    window of a van picking up kids from school yesterday here in Alabama said Vote for Ron Paul.  End the Lies.  Restore the Republic.  I was impressed in an appalled left leaning sort of way.

    Goldwater said.... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:36:29 PM EST
    one day they'd call him a liberal, and that day might be here.

    yikes: long path from med marijuana to (none / 0) (#20)
    by ksh on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:43:56 PM EST
    Ron Paul.  I find him right on the war and shallow on most other issues.  I think if folks who support him read up on his past statements and issues stances, he wouldn't be the darling of web libertarians.

    I've said it many times..... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:14:30 PM EST
    I'm ready to vote for Satan if he was up against Clinton and Rudy or Obama and Romney.

    Ron Paul has gotta be better than Satan, no?


    No. Not if you're putting the GOP in the WH (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by ksh on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:37:58 PM EST
    didn't we learn anything from 2000?

    Clinton's my least fave of the Dem field, but I'd vote for her against any of the Republican contenders.

    With the balance of power in Congress being as precarious as it is, another GOPer in the White House would be catastrophe in my opinion.

    I don't believe in Satan and I'm surprised anyone with libertarian leanings would endorse this symbol of societal control.


    Satan is just a metaphor.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:13:08 PM EST
    for the worst imaginable person, sometimes I use Genghis Khan.  I don't believe in Satan either my friend...no worries.

    I guess I don't consider Ron Paul a GOP'er...or Dennis Kucinich a DNC'er for that matter.  Those guys are pariahs....and I'm dying to vote for a pariah instead of a crooked corrupted party loyalist of either stripe.

    A party loyalist of either stripe guarantees Americans with guns in Iraq (and dozens of other countries) in 2012 and beyond, and further erosions of liberty here at home, imo.


    From the WTF files (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:56:02 PM EST
    I hadn't seen this part:
    Giuliani said "too much emphasis" has been placed on brokering negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians

    My sister & brother in law are long time (none / 0) (#4)
    by kindness on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:05:15 PM EST
    New Yorkers & northeastern republicans.  They hate Rudy.  Then again, they did have first hand experience dealing with the guy.

    Waking up with him? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:07:37 PM EST
    That means you'd have to go to bed with him, too.


    "to" not "with (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:15:06 PM EST
    I try to enforce a personal standard of (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:22:43 PM EST
    waking up "to" them before I wake up "with" them ;)  No matter how steamy it gets ;)

    What's your precentage so far? (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:29:17 PM EST
    My percentage of steamy? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:37:02 PM EST
    Waking up to? Or waking up with?  In my younger years I did get propositioned by Pete Simpson when he was running for a state of Wyoming spot......I can't even remember what he was running for (Al Simpsons usually unzipped brother). I did manage to say NO.  His pickup line delivered to me by one of his drones was precious.....I reminded him a lot of his wife.  Does that one work with right leaning girls?  I was twenty-three years old, what use did I have for husbandy wifish sex?  I had my whole life to look forward to that.

    Hmmmm. Was his wife dead? Did she dump him? (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:40:31 PM EST
    Weird comment, especially delivered by a stand-in.

    She was alive in kicking (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:22:14 PM EST
    just wasn't with him on the road I guess.  He has a Clenisesque reputation.  He may have out Clenised the Clenis and most likely because of that didn't do very well politically.  He was very nice looking compared to his brother.  I always found it hard to believe that he and Al were brothers.

    When do they start attacking each other?? (none / 0) (#28)
    by RedHead on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:59:39 PM EST
    Boy, by this time 4 years ago, Gephardt and, to a less extent, kerry, where attacking Dean.

    What's taking Romney and Rudy so long?

    why haven't the 2nd and 3rd tier guys referred to Romney as the "governor from massachusetts" ??  when do they start circulating photos of Rudy as a cross dresser?  things that effect the radical base.