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Why Does Anyone Pay Attention To Doris Kearns Goodwin?

Putting aside her professional failings, which were very serious, plagiarism is one of the most serious sins in academia, why does anyone take Doris Kearns Goodwin seriously? As Atrios point out, she has said so many stupid things, such as this one on Bush's Mission Accomplished stunt:

Well, you see, I think what worked about the speech the other night was not only the imagery. The imagery is a kind of static thing, even the plane going in, but what made it work was partly what David said. There’s a war behind it. It was a real event, and by speaking to those soldiers who were on their way home, it gave it such an emotional connection between him and the soldiers, just like when Reagan spoke on the anniversary of D-Day before that incredible rock. And people had climbed up that rock and those rangers were there. There’s a connection then between the commander in chief and the troops that you cannot take away. So I think it is crazy to criticize it. I think it was a good thing he did for himself, for the country and the Democrats have plenty of other things to criticize, but it’s silly to go on about that.

(Emphasis supplied.) Doris Kearns Goodwin is silly, to put it mildly. Tim Russert is grilling George Tenet this morning on all the things he said in the past. When do pundits get grilled for all the things they said in the past? When is there accountability for them?

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    I'm not sure which is more sickening ... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by chemoelectric on Sun May 06, 2007 at 05:50:53 PM EST
    ... Paul Harvey's Eisenhower-obsession or Doris Kearns Goodwin. They both remind me of when I was six years old and had scarlet fever, the same feeling comes over me.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sun May 06, 2007 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    77 comments as of May 06, 2007 at 7:24:22 PM EST, yet only 19 remain after J "cleaned" the thread. Twice.

    Musta been a humdinger!

    it was an epic cleansing (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Miss Devore on Sun May 06, 2007 at 07:57:16 PM EST
    doriskearnsdoriskearnsdoriskearns.

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    This is ridiculous (3.00 / 2) (#5)
    by amethyst on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:22:08 AM EST
    You ask "Why does anybody pay attention to Doris Kearns Goodwin".  What is this piece but an attempt to direct attention toward her?

    Who cares?

    It's very silly the way that wannabee blogpundits rant and rave about the "establishment" pundits - as if they have any more credibility, ability or intellectual heft than the people in the MSM.  In fact all they want to do is elbow the MSM punditry out of the way and grab a place at the trough.

    L:ast I looked (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:23:41 AM EST
    Meet the Press' audience outstrips here at TalkLeft.

    Anbd last I looked, no one deals with the foibles of Miss Keanrs Goodwin.

    Ridiculous seems to describe your comment imo.

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    Just one word of support for Kearns-Goodwin's (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:37:38 AM EST
    Wait Until Next Year, her memoir about growing up on Long Island [remarkably similar to growing up in the same era in the Midwest] and especially the Brooklyn Dodgers.  It is a delightful book.

    Yes, historians shouldn't plagarize though, even Stephen Ambrose.  After he died, Wallace Stegner was accused of using material w/o permission or attribution in Angles of Repose.  But he's still probably my favorite writer.  

    Histrirans should not plagiarize though (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:51:05 AM EST
    Nobody should.

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    Agreed. Pretty hard on the reputation (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:54:12 AM EST
    too.  Who wants their obit as a historian to start off with that?

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    BTW (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:39:01 AM EST
    Where is Peaches decrying the incivility inherent in the system?

    I go away (none / 0) (#83)
    by Peaches on Mon May 07, 2007 at 08:00:57 AM EST
    on The Weekends, BTD.

    This weekend I was hiking on the Superior Hiking Trail with 5 other lifelong friends and 5 canine companions. Did 25 miles over the three days. It was beautiful. Now, it is Monday Morning and I am back to work to keep my finances in order, while planning for the future and slowly weaning myself from the machine. Still need to get hooked up now and then though. 40 hours a week for now. I am always grateful to you and others here to keep me entertained.

    How was your weekend? I am sorry to hear it wasn't civil.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#84)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 07, 2007 at 09:40:42 AM EST
    Good for you.

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    you just don't like her (none / 0) (#15)
    by Miss Devore on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:42:56 AM EST
    cuz she's a Red Sox fan.

    What I want to know is (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:51:42 AM EST
    how a lifeling Brooklyn Dodger fan became a lifelong Sox fan?

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    That's a dumb question (none / 0) (#21)
    by amethyst on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:54:18 AM EST
    Answer: "The Enemy of my Enemy is My Friend".

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    Probably continued resentment over (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:55:33 AM EST
    the Dodgers heading for LA.

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    Thread Cleaned (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:20:13 PM EST
    Deconstructionist was out of line and violated the comment policy here.  His/Her comments and Big Tent's responses to them have been deleted.

    Name-calling and personal attacks are not allowed here.

    Disagree with the argument, with the commenter or poster, but please do it civilly.

    Ok, it's your site .. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:25:37 PM EST
    but as was not so distantly asked:

    "When do pundits get grilled for all the things they said in the past? When is there accountability for them?"


    this is a blog (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:44:24 PM EST
    Bloggers blog. They may answer questions in comments, they may not. I rarely comment or answer questions.

    BTD is to be commended that he does. But he's under no obligation to respond to questions in the comments. If he chooses to engage in discussion about what he writes, that's his choice. It's also his choice if he chooses not to.

    If you have an issue with something he wrote in a different thread, put it there. But don't complain if he doesn't reply, he doesn't have to.

    Also note that comments here cose on threads after they have been up 21 days, to protect against spammers who usually target old threads.

     

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    Comment policy is here (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:45:33 PM EST
    Per the comment policy (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:46:55 PM EST
    Name-calling, personal attacks, racist comments or use of profanity by any commenter, whether they are by persons who agree or disagree with the views expressed by TalkLeft will not be tolerated and will result in the deletion of the comment and the banning of the commenter's ISP address, without notice.


    I feel I'm back with chickenpox (none / 0) (#75)
    by Miss Devore on Sun May 06, 2007 at 06:56:48 PM EST
    whenever I hear folks blogging about broder.

    Please keep your comments (none / 0) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 06, 2007 at 07:20:38 PM EST
    related to the topic of the thread, Doris Kearns Goodwin.

    I've cleaned it again, and I apologize if it seems less than even handed but it was just sniping back and forth and I don't care to host it.

    Well done (none / 0) (#80)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 06, 2007 at 08:22:54 PM EST
    Yes, it was less than even-handed (none / 0) (#81)
    by amethyst on Sun May 06, 2007 at 10:34:54 PM EST
    If you don't want to host "sniping back and forth", then I suggest you shouldn't have Armando Llorens as a masthead contributor to your site, because that's basically all he does.

    Or didn't you know that when you signed him on?

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    Well, (none / 0) (#82)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon May 07, 2007 at 07:00:01 AM EST
      perhaps "sniping forth" is viewed a lot differently than the "sniping back?" At least she is now admitting there is no attempt to be even-handed. That's fine. It's her site and if she chooses to allow certain people to make "personal attacks" and call other "names" and then to protect those people with censorship when fire is returned that's her prerogative.

       I will repeat my original long deleted original  query as to why do we need to look so far afield to find someone not worthy of being taken seriously when we have BTD right here. anyone who pronounces so frequently other's unworthiness yet runs to the censorship board when he is similarly dismissed is not someone who should be taken seriously and that's not even considering his professional failings as legal analyst and political pundit.

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    Pot To Kettle (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by squeaky on Mon May 07, 2007 at 12:09:37 PM EST
    ......anyone who pronounces so frequently other's unworthiness ......


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    Nice deconstruction. (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Edger on Mon May 07, 2007 at 12:32:12 PM EST
    BUT, (none / 0) (#87)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:52:44 PM EST
      (and this is the key difference to those with a clue) I don't run to mommy and ask that the comments of people who disagree with me or accuse me of bad things be censored to protect me from accusations I am to weak-minded and weak-willed to refute all by myself.

      If you dish it out (which I do), you ought to be man enough to take it. BTD isn't.

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    Here's a clue. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Edger on Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:57:01 PM EST
    Throwing tantrums and insults around helps, you figure? Who exactly are you criticizing?

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    You are missing something (none / 0) (#89)
    by squeaky on Mon May 07, 2007 at 03:40:24 PM EST
    Your comparison is faulty because you have much less power than BTD, here and in the blogosphere. He gained his power through proving himself over a long period of time.  Start a blog and then we can do some real comparing. For a start we would be able to see how truly tolerant you are, rather than theoretically.

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    the thing is i don't need (none / 0) (#90)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon May 07, 2007 at 04:21:18 PM EST
      the "power" of a blog to handle the likes of BTD. All I need is to expose his flawed logic, lack of understanding and profound hypocricy.

      The only "power" he has over me is the powerr to cry like a baby and have my comments censored. That's annoying but hardly a big enough deal to motivate me to start a blog.

     

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    You made the comparison (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by squeaky on Mon May 07, 2007 at 04:25:55 PM EST
    it is apples and oranges. And if anyone is crying like a baby it is you.

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