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The Outing Of Lou Dobbs

Bob Stein, who saw many a scoundrel in his long distinguished career as a magazine editor, revels in the outing of Lou Dobbs:

Finally, finally the MSM, and the New York Times at that, has done for the CNN anchor what this blog has been apoplectically attempting to do for more than six months.

Starting with dismantling the leprosy hoax, David Leonhardt goes on to a litany of Dobbs’ offenses against journalistic truth that led to my naming him “the world’s worst journalist” earlier this month. Leonhardt’s conclusion:

“The most common complaint about him, at least from other journalists, is that his program combines factual reporting with editorializing. But I think this misses the point. Americans, as a rule, are smart enough to handle a program that mixes opinion and facts. The problem with Mr. Dobbs is that he mixes opinion and untruths. He is the heir to the nativist tradition that has long used fiction and conspiracy theories as a weapon against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Jews and, now, the Mexicans.”

Read the whole post and the whole article. A timely takedown.

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    I've caught his show a few times (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by redfish on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:00:04 PM EST
    it is like professional wrestling.

    A frequent bit is when he browbeats his correspondents, who report the news and then he asks them a loaded question like "Well don't you think that raping a nun is wrong?" and they get a "Wtf I was just reporting the news and now I'm getting asked about raping nuns?" look on their faces but it is all staged I'm sure.

    He gets a lot of mileage out of that schtick "So are you concerned at all that illegal immigrant murdered two people only last year?"  Wtf is the poor schmuck correspondent supposed to say to that, no I'm not concerned with murder?

    The dude is diabolical.

    Excellent. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Lora on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:05:26 PM EST
    Great.  Let's have more, more, more.

    Lou's dishonesty also ruins the way people think (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Ellie on Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:13:53 PM EST
    He propagates lies as well as turning people's ability to analyze an issue to mush. It's more than just sharpening their anger.

    General to specific: bad "illegal" immigrants who might be undesirable in society for a variety of reasons (including benign ones, like borders not always being big dotted lines) suddenly become more Mexican when Lou wants a pissed off reaction.

    This kind of hyper-specificity too fast -- yadda yadda-ing over a thoughtful process of examining data and history -- also removes the onus from people not inclined to think of themselves as xenophobic or racist not to hesitate to join one of Lou's flash mobs because it's felt like information was winnowed though it wasn't.

    Lou also pounds "the war on the middle class" and quickly turns that into white conservative America under attack -- from within -- because those virulent foreigners erode society's outsides, take root and then eat away from the inside. It's like something out of a horror film.

    Get a better complaint (1.00 / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:57:43 AM EST
    General to specific: bad "illegal" immigrants who might be undesirable in society for a variety of reasons (including benign ones, like borders not always being big dotted lines) suddenly become more Mexican when Lou wants a pissed off reaction.

    Why do you believe a failure to enforce a country's border benign?? A country is, or it is not.

    Let ne guess. You believe in "open borders."

    What does a belief in enforcing international borders have to do with the nationality of the illegal aliens? The answer, of course, is nothing.

    The fact that the vast majority of the illegal aliens in the US are Mexican is a simple fact, and needs to be understood when trying to find a solution. Part of said solution is to force/help the government of Mexico solve some of its own economic problems.

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    dobbs is a proven liar (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:56:03 AM EST
    for his scaremongering about the Hansen's Disease rate in the US.

    As Ms. Romans, the CNN correspondent, relayed: "There were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years."

    "Incredible," Mr. Dobbs replied.
    [...]
    To sort through all this, I called James L. Krahenbuhl, the director of the National Hansen's Disease Program, an arm of the federal government. Leprosy in the United States is indeed largely a disease of immigrants who have come from Asia and Latin America. And the official leprosy statistics do show about 7,000 diagnosed cases -- but that's over the last 30 years, not the last three.

    And continued to repeat and justify the lie.

     

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    I AGREE (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by 1patriot on Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:37:48 PM EST
    Keep  it up!

    Maybe Tom Tancredo (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:41:19 AM EST
    will pick Lou Dobbs as his running mate.

    Journalist has a bias..... (2.33 / 3) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:39:14 PM EST
    What a novel concept.

    He lied (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Sailor on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:24:39 PM EST
    'bias' doesn't cover lying. Except for those who watch faux news and get their 'facts' from powerlie, like the above commenter does.


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    Sailor (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:10:54 AM EST
    Lying is just another point of view as equally deserving of debate and consideration as valid as any other.

    It ranks right up near the top with other equally valid concepts like faith in an invisible being who lives in the sky, for example, or denial of scientific fact, or 'white male Americans are better 'n anybody else in th' whole damm wurld, an' it ain't racism if'n that's jes' the way it is, right?'

    Ask anybody here. Hmmm, lets' see... try peaches, or ppj, or gabe. For really concrete examples try talex, or jarobster, Or lonewacko.

    I apologize if I neglected to name someone...

    ;-)

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    When edger is caught, he can't apologoze (1.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:42:57 AM EST
    Lying is just another point of view as equally deserving of debate and consideration as valid as any other.

    And some people like to call other liars, and when proven wrong, still can't apologize. In fact, when edger gets caught he just adds to it.

    Re: deleted comments? (none / 0) (#120)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 08:17:50 AM EST
    Jim. The Nola/Red Cross thread has 59 comments (59 topical, 0 hidden).
    Comments 1 thru 59 are all there, Jim. No comments were deleted...
    Why do you lie, Jim? Even when you know you'll be held accountable?
    And more importantly, why do you do this to yourself, Jim? No snark - I really am concerned for you.

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    Edger - Here they are (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 09:02:10 AM EST
    Lie? Here they are. I just copied them.
    Edger, you need help.

    (Comments shown on original)

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    Oh yes, right Jim. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 09:29:23 AM EST
    I remember now. .....
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    Edger (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 10:14:11 AM EST
    So, you call me a liar and when proven wrong you don't apologize, you just make an excuse...
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    Whatever, Jim (none / 0) (#130)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 10:19:08 AM EST

    You having fun getting all this attention? ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    Jim (none / 0) (#70)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 03:33:36 PM EST
    Your entire life is a lie.



    Parent
    OFF TOPIC PERSONAL ATTACK (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:39:21 AM EST
    TalkLeft will limit commenters to four comments a day if, in its sole discretion, the commenter is a "chatterer," loosely defined as one who both holds opposing views from those expressed by TalkLeft and :
    Posts numerous times a day with the intent of dominating, re-directing or hijacking the thread; or

    Posts numerous times a day and insults or calls other commenters names or repeatedly makes the same point with the effect of annoying other commenters.



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    Sailor - The subject is about lying (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:30:20 PM EST
    Just in case you failed to notice, Edger decided to bring my name up, and connected it to lying at 6:10AM. He wrote:

    Lying is just another point of view as equally deserving of debate and consideration as valid as any other....

    Ask anybody here. Hmmm, lets' see... try peaches, or ppj, or gabe. For really concrete examples try talex, or jarobster, Or lonewacko.

    So since edger brought the subject up, I just decided to let everyone know what edger is about.

    BTW - On another thread I just proved you wrong.
    Will you apologize??

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    OFF TOPIC PERSONAL ATTACK (none / 0) (#23)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:30:55 PM EST
    grow up, 'he did it first' is a defense for the playground.

    And I have no apologies to make to you, the comment, just like most of yours, was off topic and a personal attack.

    Now do you have anything to say about the subject of the thread?

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    Sailor (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:07:32 PM EST
    The fact of the matter is that edger made a snarky personal attack. And you think pointing that out is childish?? How drool.

    Do you always blame the victim for responding? I suggest you talk to some female friends about that attitude. You will undoubtedly be shocked to find that they disagree.

    I understand we don't like each other. Trust me, the feeling is mutal. But please, can't you be original? If I remember correctly you claimed to be an aeronautical engineer.....

    Parent

    OFF TOPIC PERSONAL ATTACK (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:50:40 PM EST
    It aint off topic. It is spot on topic. (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:42:07 PM EST
    Tolerance and civility (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:19:34 AM EST
    are other important concepts liberally extended to  people like Lou Dobbs. :-)

    Parent
    Who profits from the "outing"? (2.33 / 3) (#9)
    by LonewackoDotCom on Wed May 30, 2007 at 11:30:53 PM EST
    And, why is it called an "outing", which has a specific popular definition?

    For those with an open mind, I recently took apart the David Leonhardt article at that link.

    Here's a fun question: List those who would profit (make money, obtain power, etc.) if Lou Dobbs were forced off the air.

    Now, who's helping them make money, obtain power, etc.?

    You are on the list (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:30:10 AM EST
    of racist enablers. From your link:

    More to come, including Dobbs' response and a list of those who helped retransmit Leonhardt's smears.

    McCarthy anyone?


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    This means shut up or else (none / 0) (#19)
    by fairleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 11:39:02 AM EST
    In case you didn't catch BTD's drift. Do not defend the efforts of the U.S. working and middle class not to compete in a race to the bottom with the rest of the world's workers. In case you were unaware, that's 'racist enabling'.

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    If the shoe fits . . . (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 31, 2007 at 07:00:51 PM EST
    good on yuh! (none / 0) (#18)
    by fairleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 11:34:43 AM EST
    Good analysis.

    Mr. Leonhardt gives away the game here:

    Mr. Dobbs argues that the middle class has many enemies: corporate lobbyists, greedy executives, wimpy journalists, corrupt politicians.

    Hmm, corporate lobbyists and greedy executives. You can't be on their bad side in this America and not expect a strong and probably eventually succesful effort at censorship.

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    Dobbs lies repeatedly ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 11:47:54 AM EST
    ... as was proven in the linked article. That's not journalism and has nothing to do with this millionaire lying about paranoid delusions of who is out to get him.

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    He's targeted because he's a populist, (none / 0) (#22)
    by fairleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:53:20 PM EST
    and there was one lie, by a guest and not by Dobbs, at best: that leprosy cases had 'suddenly' grown to 7,000, rather than growing to that number over about 30 years. Not that there aren't 7,000 cases where there were a handful 40 years ago, and not that most of those infected are not from overseas. As the NY Times reported in 2003:

    While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy, or Hansen's disease, as it is now called. ''And those are the ones we know about,'' said Dr. William Levis, attending physician at Bellevue Hospital's Hansen's Disease Clinic. ''There are probably many, many more.'' ...

    Most of those infected in this country are immigrants from global leprosy hot spots, like Brazil, India and the Caribbean.

    Somehow, I suspect this campaign against Mr. Dobbs may have more to do with his anti illegal immigration stance than his 'lying'. Based on the rarity of the 'lies' and the fact that lies in service of corporate power are regularly given a free pass in the NY Times.

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    dobbs isn't a 'populist' (none / 0) (#24)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:58:51 PM EST
    he's a rich MSM talking head with a schtick, and the goobers fall for it.

    In the report, one of Mr. Dobbs's correspondents said there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in this country over the previous three years

    "Well, I can tell you this," he [Dobbs] replied. "If we reported it, it's a fact."
    [...]
    He has said, for example, that one-third of the inmates in the federal prison system are illegal immigrants. That's wrong, too. According to the Justice Department, 6 percent of prisoners in this country are noncitizens (compared with 7 percent of the population).
    [...]
     In one such report, one of his correspondents referred to a Utah visit by Vicente Fox, then Mexico's president, as a "Mexican military incursion."

    He's not just a liar, but a serial liar.

    next time you have a comment you might actually want to read the linked article before spouting off.

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    36.5% of federal prisoners are non-citizens (none / 0) (#25)
    by fairleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 02:37:28 PM EST
    Not what dobbs said (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Sailor on Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:59:46 PM EST
    He said 37% were illegal immigrants.

    And even your math is wrong. 73.5% are American citizens, that would leave 26.5% who aren't. With no notation as to whether they were legal or illegal.

    Nice try, here's your cookie.

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    no he didn't, but you're right, (none / 0) (#29)
    by fairleft on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:57:08 PM EST
    I got the number wrong. 26.5% of those in federal prisons are non-citizens.

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    Non-citizens does NOT (none / 0) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 31, 2007 at 07:00:22 PM EST
    equal illegal immigrants.

    Think about it. If there are 12 million illegal immigrants in the country, how many LEGAL immigrants are there?

    A lot more than that.

    Dobbs is a lying racist. Why do you defend a lying racist?

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    You fling around the 'racist' term too freely (none / 0) (#34)
    by fairleft on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 01:22:43 AM EST
    I believe you do so to intimidate free speech on the immigration issue.

    It's obvious from what I have written that I am defending factual versus fictional criticism of anyone.

    And, do we have to go over this again, he said that one-third of prisoners were non-citizens, when the actual number at the time was 29.3%. That seems reasonably close to one-third.


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    He's targetted because he is a racist (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:58:11 PM EST
    Dobbs has morphed (none / 0) (#2)
    by talex on Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:36:59 PM EST
    from a legit reporter to a now long line of infotainers. That is the direction the news media has gone in one form or another. I saw the piece on 60 minutes. Dobbs is now total carny.

    He should do a blog of his own also. Many of them have have blazed the trail of combining fact, fiction, opinion, and gossip all too common place.

    geez!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#8)
    by cpinva on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:52:32 PM EST
    he isn't a reporter, or journalist or whatever else you want to call it, he's an entertainer. as such, nothing he says should be taken seriously, much like rush limbaugh,glen beck or jon stewart.

    oh, wait a second, the "daily show" actually reports real stuff! never mind!