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CNN's "Journalist" Kyra Phillips Gives Her Opinion On Iraq

What's going on at CNN? First John Roberts and now, via Greg Sargent, Kyra Phillips decides to opine rather than report:

Is this the new CNN policy? And if it is, can I ask them if they think the Bush Administration misled the country into the Iraq Debacle? John? Kyra? What do you think about that? Harry Reid has said that too. Any thoughts on the matter?

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    The TV business (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:34:56 PM EST
    is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.

    --Hunter Thompson, San Francisco Examiner, November 4, 1985


    egder (1.00 / 3) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:17:52 PM EST
    Sometimes you find the truth in the strangtest places...even on CNN....

    Feel like she put a stick in your eye? A clod in your churn?

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    I don't feel like that at all (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:57:11 PM EST
    I feel like she put a face and moment to Hunter's words and that doesn't happen often for me.  I think I'll have a party.  For me Hunter was like Merlin and I don't get it until I get a Kyra moment.  Want invited?

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    Tracy invites me??? wow (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:55:17 PM EST
    Nope, we have nothing in common.

    A for Hunter, he was a great writer. But I think I would pick a better ending. But hey, that's me.

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    Liberal Media Bias (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:54:55 PM EST
    it overwhelms.

    if she was reporting (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by conchita on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:57:54 PM EST
    she might have shown this.

    I believe that was the ... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 01:50:01 PM EST
    Senators McCain and Graham escort to the "safe enough to by a rug" appearance at the beautiful downtown market! Didn't you enjoy the waving kids eager to see the trucks? Now, that should speak volumes to you "anti-war" not tough on national security types!

    What really tugged at my heart strings were the children playing in the barbwire! I'm glad that our tax paying reconstruction money is being invested to win the hearts and minds of the Irag people. You leftist, America haters should be ashamed of yourselves for being blind. You should know that this war is going last as long as it takes to bleed the treasury dry, transfer the money to our hand selected organizations and allow us to find a way to pass the blame onto those whom we want to carry the "not tough enough on national security" tag. Why you "American Haters" you just want America taken over by Terrorists like yourselves.

    -------------------------------------------------

    Sorry everyone, I guess the propaganda machine that is really trying to sell the beauty of this war is starting to flood the deepest regions of my psyche. "I will obey, I will obey and say what you tell me to say Dear Leader".

    Conchita thank you for that link! I'm going to check that site out more. I really do appreciate that link!

    That link Conchita posted really does show the reality of what happens to nations that try to gain WMDs without purchasing first from the U.S., harbor terrorists, accept money, weapons and chemical agents from superpower nations especially the U.S., live in tyranny, have a tyranist leader who was put into power by the U.S., hate our freedoms, want to destroy America, want to kill us in our supermarkets, will not share your oil so our companies can plunder the profits, don't believe in our so-called version of God, are planning mushroom clouds over a major U.S. city, etc...

    I know I've probably left off another 1001 excuses the Pro-War (a.k.a Tough on National Defense) would cite as a reason we are on the right side of the fight of Evil vs. Good but being as I'm so wimpy, the muscles in my fingers tire easily. If only I had a macho, pro-war, tough on national defense, arm chair quarterback to type my messages I wouldn't tire so easily!

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    conchita (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:19:43 PM EST
    Perhaps you have trouble understanding that in the midst of a battle, some places will be going well, some won't...

    I hope that isn't too hard of a concept.

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    Just so we're clear (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:55:57 PM EST
    Which places are "going well?"

    I think we have identified the ones that are not.

    All of them.

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    Repack (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:56:36 PM EST
    Perhaps you should relisten to the video.

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    truthfully, jim, i can't think of one. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by conchita on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:59:52 PM EST
    perhaps you can enlighten me and the 4mm iraqis who have fled their country.

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    And your point is what????? (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:03:27 PM EST
    Hmmm, didn't know that many had left.

    Perhaps if they had concentrated on getting rid of Saddam ....

    You do understand, don't you, that the failure of a country to correct its problems is likely to elicit a response from another, stronger country??

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    Dumbest thing you have ever said (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:37:13 PM EST
    You do understand, don't you, that the failure of a country to correct its problems is likely to elicit a response from another, stronger country??

    Why is that?  What legitimate right did we have to decide we knew more about who should be the legitimate government of Iraq than the people of Iraq?  How did that work out in Vietnam?  What have we got in return for all the money we borrowed from China to pay for this?

    You are advocating a war crime and fiscal insanity, but this does not surprise me.  You are a fan of the biggest war criminal operating today and you seem to think that credit card bills never come due.

    Was there an election in Iraq before the invasion, where the Iraqis decided that they would rather be ruled by a foreign power answerable to no one, than by an Iraqi dictator?

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    You think that was dumb? Try this. (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:34:28 AM EST
    Was there an election in Iraq before the invasion, where the Iraqis decided that they would rather be ruled by a foreign power answerable to no one, than by an Iraqi dictator?

    I know you meant to be cute, but the answer is, NO.
    And, that's why we went in, RePack.

    Gesh.

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    Wy we went In? (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:00:04 AM EST
    We went in because there was no election
    where the Iraqis decided that they would rather be ruled by a foreign power answerable to no one, than by an Iraqi dictator?

    I don't think so. Try again.

    In announcing 19 months ago that the United States was poised to invade Iraq, President Bush told the nation: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. . . . The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."

    Of course, this (Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised)  turned out to be a lie.

    You and Bush would look less foolish and have more credability if you didn't keep shifting rationales... of course, this would require you to admit you were wrong... and what's a few more dead Americans so Bush (and you) can keep face



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    What's (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:13:02 AM EST
    what's a few more dead Americans so Bush and his sycophants can keep fooling themselves into thinking they are saving face.

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    Quit blaming Bush and (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:22:25 PM EST
    get to the root cause.

    That Saddam existed and was not removed by others.

    Plus, he did not remove himself when he had the opportunity.

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    And why did Saddam need to be removed by us? (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:06:07 PM EST
    Why was it our responsiblity?

    Why was it worth it to us?

    Why is it worth 3323 Americans as of April 21, 2007?

    Since this is Bush's war of choice, why shouldn't he be blamed when it turns out to have been based upon a lie?

    Isn't the failure to require the spoiled rich frat boy to take responsibility for anything the root of the problem?

    What do we know about Saddam and Iraq pre invasion? He had no WMD, we knew he had no WMD and he wasn't capable of harming us or his neighbors.

    Do you advocate invading Cuba? How about N. Korea? How about Iran? How many countries is it our responsiblity to invade, remove "the bad guy" and occupy?



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    Perfect (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:14:56 AM EST
    the answer is, NO.
    And, that's why we went in, RePack.

    We went in, killed tens of thousands of people, traumatized an entire generation of our military, wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, not just IN SPITE OF the fact that Iraqis hadn't asked us to, but specifically BECAUSE we hadn't been asked.

    Wait, I forgot.  One guy asked, a guy who hadn't lived in Iraq for decades, an Irani double agent who passed our secrets to Iran and secretly advanced the Irani interest in turning secular Iraq into a Shia state, and expected us to install him as the new prime minister, Achmed Chalabi.

    And on the strength of THAT, we ruined a country, simultaneously advancing the goals of Al Qaeda and Iran, while harming our own country irretrievably.

    Do you understand yet why people who supported the war are morons?  They couldn't figure out what would happen, and when it happened, they don't accept that it did.

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    Classic formulation (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 12:06:40 PM EST
    Short succinct and to the point. I am going to steal it.

    Do you understand yet why people who supported the war are morons?  They couldn't figure out what would happen, and when it happened, they don't accept that it did.



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    Molly B (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:28:11 PM EST
    Please do.

    And while you're at it, steal his ability to use secondary issues and situations as the reasons,while ignoring the ones that count.

    Go ahead. Maybe moving up to secondary positions is an improvement for you.

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    Iraq is the primary position (none / 0) (#54)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:09:00 PM EST
    when it comes to GWB and his enablers.



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    RePack. (1.00 / 2) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:24:41 PM EST
    Do you understand yet why people who supported the war are morons?  They couldn't figure out what would happen, and when it happened, they don't accept that it did.

    And since you can not justify your position except as the result of "I hate Bush," you attack with vulgar slurs.

    Proves again who, and what, you are.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 04:59:22 PM EST
    Proves again who, and what, you are.

    I'm SO glad you noticed.

    For those just joining the conversation, what PPJ is referring to is the fact that what I am is a patriotic American and Army veteran who is apalled by the corruption, cowardice, stupidity and incompetence of the current administration.

    None of these fools served during the Vietnam war, so they have to fight it again, and once again, none of them or their kin is serving, because their cowardice extends even to their offspring.

    Go ahead.  Expose me for what I am.  I don't CARE how many people find out that I'm a patriot.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 04:24:36 PM EST
    Indiana looks worse than I ever imagined.

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    Treading carefully on misogyny here . . . (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by walt on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 06:36:37 PM EST
    This is propaganda.  And I'm intrigued by the catapult.  John Roberts & Wolf Blitzer, with some help from Michael Ware, can be moderately effective crapola merchants.  But . . . bring in Kyra Phillips & it's a new approach.  With a lithe & lovely cheerleader, the rovewellian talking points will seem so much more "plausible" to the CNN 25-64+ male audience.  And that makes it so much easier to pedal advertising at those company's targeting the male 25-34 demographic.

    I know.  It's a cheap shot by me.  Even so, it seems so recently noticeable.

    Who ya' gonna' believe? old, grey Sen. Reid or the CNN cutie pie?  Grin, smirk, wink.

    [commenter ducks & runs]

    Well, there are some bread crumbs to follow. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by walt on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 12:38:20 AM EST
    Here's a CNN transcript with Ms. Phillips on the other side of the lose-win, win-lose in Iraq.And the wolfman says:

    Joining us, now, from Baghdad, CNN's own Kyra Phillips.

    Kyra, you've had a chance to hear what Senator McCain and his delegation have to say today. First of all, update our viewers, Kyra, on what their bottom line is.

    KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's what's interesting, Wolf. And this is what I'm taking away from all of this, as I listen to these politicians and also go out onto the streets throughout Baghdad and greater Baghdad, is that it's very easy to go into certain areas and say things are improving.

    For example, I went into Dora Market yesterday with General David Petraeus. Things are improving. Shops are opening up. But, still, Al Qaida is active in the area. They're still dealing with a death squad.

    So, I could see a John McCain coming forward today, like he did, saying, look, I'm not saying this is mission accomplished, but there's still a lot going on. There's still a lot of challenges. There's still a lot of danger.

    It's the easy answer, Wolf, for anybody. There are improvements going on throughout this country, but, also, there are incredible security challenges and violence that plagues this country.

    BLITZER: Kyra, when you went out with General Petraeus this weekend and you walked around some streets in Baghdad, describe for us how much security he and you had.

    PHILLIPS: I would probably say triple the presidential entourage, Wolf.

    (LAUGHTER)

    Now, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but in all seriousness, outer, inner, and perimeter security; sniper teams, personal security guards, humvees, helicopters -- you name it.

    That man cannot travel this country without security. And he even said to me, you know, we'd be in a lot of trouble -- all these men around me would be in a lot of trouble if anything happened to me.

    There's a great responsibility. He is the general commanding all U.S. forces in Iraq. He has to have security. Anywhere he goes, he must be protected because he's the man in charge of all the military action that's happening in this country.

    So, yes, we went through Dora Market, and we had security everywhere. He wore a soft cap. I didn't wear a helmet. We felt comfortable. Why? We had lots of security.

    BLITZER: But for average -- I take it then -- correct me if I'm wrong, Kyra, and you've been there for a few weeks now -- for a U.S. soldier to simply leave his or her base and get into a car and drive to a coffee shop...

    PHILLIPS: No, forget it.

    BLITZER: ... go to a restaurant and just meet with a bunch of friends. That's outrageous?

    PHILLIPS: No. That's a pipe dream, Wolf. I mean, I wish -- even driving down the streets of Baghdad, you see the closed-down restaurants.

    People aren't going to -- whether you're a journalist, whether you're military, whether you're a leader in this country, whether you're an Iraqi civilian, you are taking a risk.



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    Wolfie shows his bias. (1.00 / 1) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:31:05 AM EST
    That is so funny. Blitzer has his jockies in such a wad because his reporter on scene has said something intelligent and positive that he has to jump and say something.... anything

    Hey Wolf! It's a war, baby! You know, some people don't like other people.

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    qLT (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:21:51 PM EST
    Well the cutie is there, seeing and talking to the players...

    Reid is in DC, playing poltics and making very, very, very, very studpid statements.

    Your pick....

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    If that is so... (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:21:58 PM EST
    Reid is in DC, playing poltics and making very, very, very, very stupid statements.

    Let's talk about stupid statements.  What's your opinion of the president giving a press conference and displaying a map identifying the locations of all 24 of our outposts in Baghdad, with local landmarks identified on the same map in case anyone got lost while delivering explosives?

    Could that be of any use to our enemies?

    Prediction.  PPJ will not respond to this post, because he would be forced to confront presidential stupidity.

    Thanks for playing, Jim.  Your consolation prize is the home version of the Iraq invasion game.

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    God Bless you Repack Rider for pointing this out! (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:20:04 PM EST
    My point is, is that the American combat forces are not alone in the effort to secure the nation's capital. And just as important as the growing number of troops is their changing position in the city. I direct your attention to a map showing our troop presence around Baghdad late last year. This is how we were positioned. Most troops were at bases on the outskirts of the city. They would move into Baghdad to clear out neighborhoods during the day, and then they would return to their bases at night. The problem was that when our troops moved back to the bases, the extremists, the radicals, the killers moved back to the neighborhoods.

    And we're changing. Part of our strategy change, part of the new mission in Baghdad is for American troops to live and work side by side with Iraqi forces at small neighborhood posts called joint security stations. You can see from this map, there are now more than two dozen joint security stations located throughout Baghdad; more are planned. From these stations, Iraqi and American forces work together to clear out and then secure neighborhoods -- all aimed at providing security for the people of Baghdad. If a heavy fight breaks out, our forces will step in, and Iraqi forces learn valuable skills from American troops; they'll fight shoulder to shoulder with the finest military every assembled.

    President Bush Visits East Grand Rapids, Discusses Global War on Terror
    East Grand Rapids High School
    East Grand Rapids, Michigan April 20, 2007
    Directly from the Whitehouse.gov web site

    The map was not only shown to the audience members at Grand Rapids High School but it was also broadcast world wide!

    This was another "Geraldo drawing lines in the sand" moment that many Americans protested Geraldo was placing our Troops in harms way by giving up military plans to the enemy. Why is it now OK for the Commander in Chief to display (in more detail than Geraldo could have ever portrayed in the sand) these strategic U.S. Troop locations? Is this not by definition "Emboldening our Enemies"? Isn't the Commander in Chief aiding and abetting our enemies? Why does he get a pass for such treasonous behavior by the media and those who attach such unpatriotic name tags on those who betray our Troops like President Bush did?

    Here is the link to the Countdown video (at the 5:16 mark is where Mr. Rieckhoff, Executive of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and author of the book "Chasing Ghost") points out this traitorous behavior:
    President Bush giving our Enemies Strategic positions of our American Troops

    But somehow, because there are those who associate "Tough on National Defense" with all Republicans and this Administration they will simply not view this video nor read what the President said in order to shield themselves from having to face reality!

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    How else (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:07:45 PM EST
    can Bush justify more troops without more attacks?

    Ahem...

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    Wow, (none / 0) (#60)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:15:23 PM EST
    Now that is a scary thought! You just gave me chills Edger!

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    9/11 gave me the chills. (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:20:25 PM EST
    Yes and the media was reporting some really (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:42:20 PM EST
    strange events before they even happened.

    BBC Reports WTC7 falling 23 minutes before it actually fell

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:47:50 PM EST
    Here too.

    Bush needs justification now to continue his occupation of Iraq

    IN 2001 he need justification for his War On Thinking

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    I like your style Edger! (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:56:54 PM EST
    Thank you very much. That is a great site and I truly believe I just might be spending some time there catching up on some reading if you don't mind.

    BTW: This is kind of neat pushing these comments to the right when we are in complete and utter agreement. Kind of a first time I've seen this in a while here at T.L. j/k

    Thanks again!

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    RePack (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:41:19 PM EST
    I would say that anyone wanting to attack those bases woukd already know about them.

    I think the NYT and the Left...that's you, RePack.. made the same point about the money trail, FISA, etc., etc.

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    PPJ fails again. This is not news. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:20:03 PM EST
    I would say that anyone wanting to attack those bases woukd already know about them.

    Of course you would, even though you have no way of knowing whether that is true, because otherwise you would have to acknowledge that broadcasting our military positions on television is a breach of security. These positions are meaningless to an American audience, which has no means of using the information, so what do you suppose the reason was for providing the enemy with a convenient, high-quality, color coded map with all locations clearly marked?  To save them from having to make their own?

    Since Senator Reid has not given the insurgents any news they didn't already have either, by the standard you have applied to the president, what is your objection to Americans hearing the truth?

    I said that you wouldn't answer, and I was right.  You just used a lot of words not to answer, and now you are going to act as though you did.

    On three, two...

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    Nah, I don't really think so (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:35:45 PM EST
    She's been busy with life, now she's in Iraq and she is seeing things that look sort of okay......she just hasn't seen the things that looked okay before they didn't look okay.  Give her 30 more days in country, hanging out in her bunker trying to get out and get a bit of a story and dodging a few bullets and then we'll see.

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    Tracy (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:05:36 PM EST
    You are telling us that your are smarter, quicker, faster than someone who is working for CNN, on scene, making some big bucks...

    Hmmmm,now what is wrong with that picture.

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    Oh please (5.00 / 6) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:17:01 PM EST
    So that makes George Soros 1 million times smarter than you?

    You broke the foolish meter with that one.


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    BTD (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:26:27 AM EST
    When it comes to making money, the answer is obvious, for both of us.

    BTW - Can you make a comment without tossing in an insult??

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    You have to be klidding (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:25:14 AM EST
    You insult Tracy and now whine about getting it back?

    Jim, I was tryoing to playfully get you back from the insulting path you were heading down.

    I have to be honest, if you keep insisting on it, I'llhvae to speak a littlemore clearly and directly about the nature of your statements.

    Keep the ripostes light and we can avoid it. Back off on insulting people.

    And folks should back off on insulting Jim.

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    I don't know how long Kyra has been in (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 06:57:57 PM EST
    Iraq but I well remember one of our last gleaming jewels of pockets of progress.  It was called Tal Afar and I'm so tired of people like Kyra saying $HIT LIKE SHE JUST SAID.  Kyra honey, please go back to your bunker and really really really soak your newbie head in all the realistic bottom line issues that are on the table.......and please please please dear God stop quoting Patraeus and the Centcom commander because they are just as newbie in their jobs as you are babe.  And the new Centcom commander didn't even know what the surge was on January 31st of this year sweetpea.  Back attcha Babe, Congrats on the new assignment.....you might want to catch up now on the facts if you want to make the most of this assignment and what it can do for your journalism career!

    Tracy (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:22:55 PM EST
    Shorter - Everybody is stupid except Tracy.

    Okay.

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    Really? (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:30:12 PM EST
    That's what you got from my post?  You didn't get anything about how this same claim was made last year under the old military management...then we fired them and got new military management so now it's like a Brand New Iraq. And then we have this Brand New in Town reporter interview all of our Brand New Iraq Team and we get all of these Brand New Opinions.  It's all about me and how smart I am huh?  Maybe I'm just a good listener huh?  Maybe?

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    No change in my comment (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:57:21 PM EST
    Like I said......

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    Seems Kyra Phillips Can't Handle The Truth (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by john horse on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 07:18:01 PM EST
    Senator Reid made the unfortunate mistake of speaking the truth.  This war is not winnable.  You would think that our mainstream media would be interested in the truth, but to use a line from the movie A Few Good Men our mainstream media "journalists" can't handle the truth.  They are much more comfortable repeating lies and propaganda for the Bush administration and Pentagon.  Had they not abdicated their responsibility and unquestionally accepted the administration's bullsh*t in the runup to this war we would not be in the mess we are in.

    Its bad enough that they share the responsbility for the deaths of over 3300 Americans but now they want to compound their error by attacking those who are trying to bring an end to the madness and prevent more unnecessary deaths.  

    "It's not that simple" (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Demi Moaned on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:12:18 PM EST
    That's her big refrain in talking about the win or lose issue.

    Fine. The implication is: Winning cannot be defined. So we'll never get there because (pace Gertrude Stein):

    There is no there there.

    Is Victory like the famous Justice's definition of pornography?

    I know it when I see it.

    Whatever happened to the Powell Docrtine? It wasn't that long ago that it was considered wisdom for the ages.

    So here's what it boils down to:
    Winning is undefined, only losing is defined. And it's defined as withdrawal. So as long as we don't withdraw we leave open the possibility of some mystical revelation of victory.

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    UN-BE-LIE-VA-BLE (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by naschkatze on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:20:58 PM EST
    Kyra Phillips mentions "little" pockets of success.  How little is little?  They must be miniscule. Not to worry, though.  I don't think the pinhead Kyra is going to change the minds of nearly 70% of the people with that little performance.

    I don't watch CNN or any other cable or network so I wouldn't have known about this story except from reading this post.  The only exception I'm going to make is to watch Bill Moyer's special on how the media has failed us.

    Little pockets... (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:04:59 PM EST
    Behind the walls.

    Stars and Stripes, Thursday, April 19, 2007
    BAGHDAD -- U.S. soldiers with the 82nd Airborne Division in a Baghdad district are "building a three-mile protective wall on the dividing line between a Sunni enclave and the surrounding Shiite neighborhood," according to a U.S. military press release issued Wednesday.

    Troops with the 407th Brigade Support Battalion began constructing the wall on April 10 and will continue work "almost nightly until the wall is complete," the release read.
    I guess the walls will help make it safe for people like Kyra and MacCain to walk the streets perfectly safe in broad daylight while Iraqis throw the flowers and cheer.

    `The Surge Is Working!' Isn't Working
    Throughout the land of pundits, you can hear the sound faintly but it's clear. It goes, "Things are looking better in Iraaaaaaaq. The surge is woooorrrrking..."
    ...
    ...he even walked the streets of Baghdad on Sunday whilst flanked by more firepower than the goddamn Death Star. Though Newsweek later reported:
    "Less then 30 minutes after McCain wrapped up, a barrage of half a dozen mortars peppered the boundaries of the Green Zone, where the senators held their press conference."
    But it's working, damn your eyes! Flip through the prime time talking head shows this week and you'll hear it.

    Seriously, it's bordering on psychotic to believe that President Bush, a man who couldn't describe the difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis before the war, could somehow be the first commander-in-chief in the history of warfare to overcome a guerrilla insurgency without a 10-to-1 advantage and nearly four years after losing the initiative on the battlefield.

    No matter what degree of doubt the White House sprinkles into the water supply, the numbers don't lie. March sadly posted the highest number of civilian deaths in Iraq this year: 1,808. By this or any other measure, it's not working. No military effort will ever work in Iraq. Ever.


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    Winning defined... (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:31:08 PM EST
    I can hardly think of anything else that's more brazenly homicidal than encouraging the deliberate killing of more soldiers and civilians just so President George W. Bush can leave office without having to change his mind. It's like Rove grabbing a small animal and saying, "You know, I went through the trouble of capturing this small animal, I might as well rip its head off. No turning back now, yo! Whee!"


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    I drink well water (none / 0) (#49)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:01:55 PM EST
    No matter what degree of doubt the White House sprinkles into the water supply, the numbers don't lie.

    It just occurred to me. I don't drink water that is refined by a city plant, I have a well. Now it makes since why I can detect the crap being tossed by this administration.

    Are the sprinkles in bottled water also?

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    Freewill - You drink well water? (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:45:06 PM EST
    Be sure and run in the house when you see those trails in the sky..

    Wouldn't want your bodily fluids to get polluted..

    BTW - Have you had your well tested for chlorine, lead, arnesic........?

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    Did I speak to you Jim? (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:23:47 PM EST
    Forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't remember addressing you in any way. But yet you try to insult me with your silly little comments and joke about me becoming poisoned or even worse, dead. And you say you're in the 70's age group. Couldn't tell. Time to grow up and face reality Jim.

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    Phillips (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:12:38 AM EST
    tells it exactly the way she is told to tell it. Nothing more. Nothing less. To give any weight to ANY of her reporting is a mistake. She might as well be reporting from Kuwait.

    Demi Moaned,

    Excellent interpretation. I'll save that one. Winning is deliberately undefined also because it would mean leaving. And we are never leaving.

    She's channeling Rove. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Compound F on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:30:45 PM EST
    maybe he will end up with his permanent Republican majority.

    Talkinghead points (none / 0) (#3)
    by aztrias on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:36:12 PM EST
    CNN went after Pelosi and her poll ratings went UP.

    If CNN wants to let their talking heads offer opinions, and stray from popular public opinion, I suggest they hire smarter people.

    What would advertisers say if their ads ran on news networks that 1) can follow common sense public opinion and 2) that public opinion shifts against the network's talking head points the harder they try to shift it.

    aztrias (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:59:31 PM EST
    Do you think that, in this world in general, it is always good to be approved of??? To have the aproval increase???

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    George Bush (none / 0) (#28)
    by Warren Terrer on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:03:35 PM EST
    comforts himself with that thought every day.

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    Warren (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:07:49 PM EST
    Can I put you down for "yes?"

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Warren Terrer on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:42:52 PM EST
    George Bush isn't unpopular because the whole world is wrong and he's right. But you know that.

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    Warren (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:22:25 AM EST
    Actually my question had much broader implications, as I think you knew.

    But, to answer you. Since we live in a Constitutional Republic, the popularity of a President in his final term has zero effect on him unless he chooses to let it.

    It can affect other politicans who desire to keep feeding at the public trough.

    Given that Bush knows he will get nothing out of the Demos anyway, even that shouldn't trouble him, and since the Demos have a majority, Bush can further ignore his own party.

    Have a nice day.

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    Hey Troll! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Sailor on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:53:50 PM EST
    The adults were talking about supposed reporters using reporting as a cover for editorializing.

    Now try to stay on topic or crawl back under the bridge.

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    Only in a democracy (none / 0) (#36)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 01:50:39 AM EST
    Was this a trick question?

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    and people have been talking about how wrong (none / 0) (#5)
    by conchita on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:55:10 PM EST
    it was for the networks to run the cho heung-sui tapes.  is this just plain irresponsible or is it propaganda?

    Freewill (none / 0) (#68)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:17:58 PM EST
    If you like Edger, then you will love this site.

    Yep, that's the site I was referring to! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:43:45 PM EST
    Gawd I love TalkLeft. Since I started seeking out information and a community that helps to inform and keep me current, TalkLeft really has great comments, authors and active participants. I did the KOS thing for a little while but man, that's a lot of reading. One post can generate 5, 6, 7 hundred or more comments and it's just not for me. It's really nice getting to learn this site's shared wisdom from all of you. Every time I visit here I learn something new like Edger's site!

    I know this post is off topic but thank you all for allowing me to participate in your community discussions.

    And yes, Jim I even appreciate (but I don't quite understand your humor) your active participation. Your steadfast drumbeating messages really helps many of us refine our debate skills in order to counter the Warmongering side of our American culture and without you there would only be other paid propagandists coming here to "rattle the sabre". Stay hard cat! I'm sure sometime in your 80's you will be rewarded generously for your dedication!

    Thank you all!

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    Heh. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Edger on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:58:16 PM EST
    Thanks, Che!

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