More Ignorance On Not Funding The Debacle

By Big Tent Democrat, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:12:30 PM EST
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The latest example of sheer ignorance on not funding the Iraq Debacle comes from Matt Yglesias:

This memo on Iraq funding strategy from John Podesta, Larry Korb, Scott Lilly, and Brian Katulis seems smart to me; about the right combination of politics and substance. It's extremely frustrating that there doesn't appear to be a viable way for anti-war congressfolk to simply use their authority to mandate both a beginning point for withdrawal and an endpoint but, well, there just isn't one.

The Podesta memo is wrong and Yglesias does not know what he is talking about. See this, among my many explanations of why Reid-Feingold, even if NOT passed, can lead to an end to the Debacle.

This type of non-thinking is infuriating, especially on the most important issue of the day from someone who is smart enough to know better.

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If you have anymore mental (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:23:05 PM EST

masturbations up your sleave please place them up here tonight so that I can find all of my words by tomorrow. If they are going to set it all on fire and burn the house down then let's just get it over with now. Then we don't have to revisit this filth again.

Yglesias (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:34:12 PM EST

knows better. Or he should. I don't believe he can be that stupid.

Suffering from ignorance, maybe. But if so, it is wilful ignorance.

Well (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:39:42 PM EST

until Jeralyn pulls the plug on me I'll be calling them ALL out.

All of em.


Me too. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 04:45:53 PM EST

And I was really impressed with what scribe wrote the other day, too.

And I think that the conviction of Scooter Libby earlier this year, and the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing into the corruption of Alberto Gonzales two days ago, were only the beginning of a process that should, if any honest morality still obtains, include the impeachment and criminal conviction of Cheney and Bush as war criminals.


Maybe Nancy Pelosi too. (none / 0) (#9)
by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:15:06 PM EST

If she supports another funding bill.


this country abandoned honesty (none / 0) (#10)
by Compound F on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:17:26 PM EST

long ago, in a galaxy far away.


: As (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Edger on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:19:58 PM EST

Mad As Hell

The problem hasn't changed in months (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by andgarden on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:02:01 PM EST

Leadership seems to have decided that anything is better than nothing. As we know, the reality is that "anything" IS nothing. The situation is completely binary because Bush will never negotiate.

The negotiations that Leadership is having with the Blue Dogs are exactly what they wish they could be having with Bush. It's crazy.

Oh God, I'm laughing horribly (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 06:31:52 PM EST

That high pitched sort of at wits end and there is still something to really laugh about laugh.

The negotiations that Leadership is having with the Blue Dogs are exactly what they wish they could be having with Bush. It's crazy.


What? (none / 0) (#8)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:13:53 PM EST

I'm supposed to disagree with this?


No (none / 0) (#12)
by andgarden on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:25:32 PM EST

I'm. . .agreeing with you. Sorry.


Tweaking you (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:35:59 PM EST

Blogging is never having to say your sorry.

Not even to narudy.


: Fine! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by andgarden on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:39:29 PM EST

It's a bizarre avoidance behavior, (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by Compound F on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:12:47 PM EST

some form of self-deception. It has to be. Otherwise, lefty bloggers would have to claim that they never heard of the idea of "doing nothing," and that is simply incredible. But then the question is, what's the motive for self-deception? A latent fear of being "cut-and-runners" or "not supporting the troops?" All the experts agree this war is toast, and the troops are getting slaughtered as it is. One could conceivably understand a conflict of interest amongst elected Democrats who want to hang this around Republican necks in 2008, but among lefty bloggers, it is gobsmackingly senseless.

: Good question (none / 0) (#7)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:13:22 PM EST

Wow (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by narudy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:26:14 PM EST

so in comments we shouldn't be personally insulting, but in posts it's fine.

Insult? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:35:10 PM EST

IGNORANCE is defined as the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

I'll use in a sentence for you "narudy displayed ignorance regarding the definition of the word ingorance."


iGnorance (none / 0) (#16)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 05:37:47 PM EST

not ingorance.


: Damn that editor (none / 0) (#21)
by TexDem on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:46:42 PM EST

It screwed up again.
Watch those fingers.

it is not the most important issue of the day (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by chemoelectric on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:20:58 PM EST

It shouldn't need repeating, but the most important issue of the day is a combination of (a) global climate change and (b) ocean acidification. Carbon dioxide poses a much greater threat to us than does this occupation; and it is what our generation will be remembered for.

: It's true (none / 0) (#20)
by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:29:32 PM EST

When you can't live on planet earth, when you can't live in California, when you can't live in Maine, or even Alabama any longer.....nobody will care about Iraq, no soldiers will have to get on any planes because we will have eaten the flight crew if they didn't eat us first. I would just like for Iraq to be over right now so that maybe our money and focus could be applied to climate change and ocean acidification. Maybe if my husband stayed home this coming year we could figure out a family plan on how to eat the people down the street before they consume us to survive.

: One's the issue of the year (none / 0) (#22)
by Ben Masel on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 04:54:33 AM EST

The other's the issue of the decade.

Keep Up The Good Work (none / 0) (#23)
by CauseDisturbance on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:22:01 AM EST

You're absolutely right. The Democrats need to grow some spine and do the right thing. If Bush vetoes, he will be the one who is defunding the troops. He could try to turn it around on Congress like Clinton did with Gingrich in 1995, but Bush in 2007 is not Clinton in 1995. Bush's numbers are in the toilet and people are clearly opposed to his policy. The Democrats could win this one if they don't act like a bunch of frightened pussies.

Question for Armando (none / 0) (#24)
by CauseDisturbance on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:26:13 AM EST

How do you see the NOT funding approach working?

Are you advocating short term funding between now and the withdrawal data and then NOT funding in, say, March 2008 or are you advocating NOT funding right now?

: Click the links (none / 0) (#25)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:03:23 PM EST