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Alberto Gonzales and the Death Penalty: Another Reason He Should Resign

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Posted on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:05:10 PM EST
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Diane Rust-Tierney writes about Alberto Gonzales' attempt to politicize death penalty cases. Just another reason for him to go.

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    Alberto Gonzales and the Death Penalty: Another Reason He Should Resign | 33 comments (33 topical)

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    Traitors, the lot of them (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by baba durag on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:17:13 PM EST
    They never did believe in the Constitution, or the country it defines.  They have an entirely different idea in mind, and lie in the weeds waiting for an opportunity to strike.  Every Republican government in my lifetime has acted thus.

    PPJ, if you knew about the Ricky Ray Rector (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:13:28 AM EST
    case, you'd know that the murderer in that case tried but failed to kill himself, blowing away part of his brain and dropping his IQ to 60.

    Now, can you tell us what happened to you to drop yours to 85?

    IQ of 85 (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:51:10 AM EST
    Just trying to lower myself to your level.

    Now, does your snarky comment mean that you agree with capital puniushment?

    Or only when it is done by a Demo for political gain?

    [ Parent ]

    Considering how many people Texas (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:33:37 AM EST
    put to death based solely on eye witness testimony and now how inaccurate and often completely faulty we have found that testimony to be and added to that those clinically determined to be retarded that Texas put to death, what a horror the man is.  Throw in a little torture and listening to him speak sickens me.  If he is one of the many "Bushie Christians" I hope he knows that means there is a very very special place waiting for him.

    re: I hope he knows that means (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:43:20 AM EST
    You're not the only one...

    Good write up n/t (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:56:03 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Thx (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:08:27 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    PPJ I'm a merciless sort (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:27:41 AM EST
    which is why I'm in favor of life imprisonment without parole.

    Oh, and next time, if you know what you're talking about that would be helpful as well.

    TTFN

    Still trying to lower myself to your level (1.00 / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:01:51 AM EST
    In the meantime, you haven't answered my question as to why you are not upset over the political execution done by Clinton?

    I mean, the thread is based on the premise that Gonzales should resign based on his position on the death penalty.

    Did you demand Clinton resign? Do you oppose the call for Gonzales because of his positon?

    Let's look at Wikipedia


    Bill Clinton returned to Arkansas to preside over Rector's execution during his 1992 presidential race. Many consider it a turning point in that race hardening a soft public image.[citation needed] Some liberals tend to cite the execution as an example of what they perceive to be Clinton's opportunism


    [ Parent ]
    Actually, no. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:21:18 AM EST
    The premise is that he should resign. Period. Because he's a dead man walking, already.

    His position on the death penalty is one that is being applied to him politically.

    Heh. And he did it to himself, too. Not a smart move obviously, but he's a rethug, so no one expects more of him. You know?

    It's an added free bonus! :>)

    Charles Krauthammer on Fox, March 16:
    "Gonzales is a dead man walking. He's finished."
    Stay alert, and stay with Fox. [h/t to glanton :-)]

    [ Parent ]
    Couldn't resist a (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:31:42 AM EST
    thread hijack, could ya, PPJ?

    TTFN

    What a guy you are. (5.00 / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 08:41:20 AM EST
    I'm not the one who started attacking. You are.

    Followed by Jondee and then Peaches.

    And none of you have any response what so ever to the war, and why you do love to attack anyone who points out the simple facts of the matter.

    At some point someone will write a book describing the Left in this matter.

    Tittle: "Children of Chamberlain."

    You brought up Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 09:19:40 AM EST
    as an attempted threadjack, and as for insults, if I had a dime for every unprovoked insult you've made to commentators here in the last 5 years, I'd have even more money than you do right now, PPJ.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    I wasn't attacking (none / 0) (#33)
    by Peaches on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 10:09:39 AM EST
    I merely complimented Jondee on his comment on your "social Liberal" label and agreed with his characterization that you would be a good one if there was not a war going on.

    We've had the discussion about the necessity of war and I'm willing to leave that alone and agree to disagree.

    Didn't mean to insult you. I'll offer you a free on in return and you can say something to the ignorance of my  pacifist tendencies. I won't be offended.

    Btw. I't prefer the title to be "The Chldren of Ghandi [or substitute, King, Jesus,].

    [ Parent ]

    And (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 10:54:22 AM EST
    channeling blood money into the pockets of the usual main M.I.C beneficiaries.

    Projection (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 11:48:45 AM EST
    verging on clinical paranoia when you constantly ascribe to others attributes you so obviously express in your own behavior: such as simply assuming lemming-like fidelity on the Left to Clinton and his every action.

    C'mon Mr. Social Liberal, "condemn" one thing that Bush has done.

    Thanks for the grins. (1.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:53:37 PM EST
    You mean like Clinton executing that boy in AR that had an IQ of about 60???

    No politcs, eh??

    If you could show where (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:53:06 AM EST
    on this thread that I've expressed an opinion about Clinton and the Rector case(or, why should I when the thread is ostensible about Gonzales?), you might earn your Rove points for the day.

    Relating facts to present a more nuanced picture that the one you attempted to fingerpaint for us here is a bit frustrating, I admit, and I sincerely apologize for doing so and promise to repeat this action whenever I can in the future.

    Ta-da!

    Try to keep up (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:23:32 AM EST
    As you know, my comment was pointing out the hypocrisy of jumping on Gonzales after what Clinton did to help win an election.

    The fact that you then responded with snarky comments doesn't need to be pointed out by you.

    They speak for themselves.

    [ Parent ]

    You always bring up Clinton (none / 0) (#21)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:15:22 PM EST
    when you run out of things to say about the subject at hand, so go back to your mudpies, as the grown-ups are in charge of the discussion today.

    [ Parent ]
    ppj (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:23:01 AM EST
    Clinton pimped to that crackle barrel Right/Fox and Friends "tough on crime" faction, who've been allowed to frame the debate through gutter-level wedge issue tactics. Last time I looked those folks had your unquestioning, undying loyalty; your laughably lame-a*s attempt to deflect attention from Judge Roy Gonzales just underscores that fact.

    Jondee (1.00 / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:27:21 AM EST
    Your inability to understand that it is possible to support the troops and their national defense efforts while being an Independent Social Liberal is a legend.

    Trust me. There was a time in which Many Democrats Were Patroits.

    Sadly, their numbers have decreaed.

    BTW - Do you condem Clinton's actions?

    Seems like you should.

    [ Parent ]

    If you cared... (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Avedon on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 09:39:26 AM EST
    ...you'd know that the anti-death penalty left deplored Clinton's return to Arkanasas just to preside over the execution of a brain-damaged man.

    His opponant wasn't anti-death penalty.  The Republican Party pretty much in its entirety is virulently pro-death penalty.  There wasn't a choice to elect an anti-death penalty candidate.

    But you don't care about the death penalty.  You care about ragging on Clinton.

    [ Parent ]

    What's up with ... (4.00 / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:00:50 PM EST
    ... ppj's constant obsession with the clenis!?

    gonzales abetted pedophiles, made sure that innocent people were put to death in texas and lied and obstructed justice.

    Surely those are impeachable offenses.

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:26:40 AM EST
    to folks like you, O'Moron, Ole Jerry and Fox, thats what it takes "to win an election" now.

    well, do you??? (1.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:27:51 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I condemn (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:33:06 AM EST
    them unequivocably and absolutely.

    When was the last time you publicly condemned anything that Bush ever did?

    Quick! Look over there! It's Clinton!

    You'd (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:48:21 AM EST
    be a great social liberal if there wasnt a war on.

    Trouble is, there's always a war on.

    Heh (none / 0) (#22)
    by Peaches on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:23:15 PM EST
    That's a great line, Jondee!

    And I agree, I think that gets to the substance of what is wrong with Jim labeling himself a social liberal.

    [ Parent ]

    So, there is a war on. (1.00 / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:16:05 PM EST
    You guys don't seem to understand that, and think that ignoring it, it will go away.

    It won't. You either win wars, or lose wars.

    Your social philsophy, or mine, has nothing to do with, or can change that one simple fact.

    The difference is, I think we should fight. You don't. Now, in war you either fight or surrender.

    I again quote the following from the March 1997 interview betweem OBL and Peter Arnett of (then) CNN.

    REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad against the United States and against the US ?

    BIN LADIN: The cause of the reaction must be sought and the act that has triggered this reaction must be eliminated. The reaction came as a result of the US aggressive policy towards the entire Muslim world and not just towards the Arabian peninsula. So if the cause that has called for this act comes to an end, this act, in turn, will come to an end. So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.

    And no, I don't believe they will be wading ashore  along the NJ coast. Instead they will be, as they are doing around the world, constantly attacking with terror when possible, through our own courts when possible, to establish Sharia law, and continually weaken our resolve for a secular governemnt.

    You can try to minimize the impact of the surrender by negotiating with the enemy. That's what we are actually doing at this time. We have, through our press, the Internet, and now through our own Congress told our enemies that we have surrendered, and told them that all they have to do is wait, and we will leave.

    That is killing American military. You know that. I know that. It is a shame that our media won't tell the country about it.

    So, when we, sooner or later, have to negotiate for a few years of semi-peace, what will you put on the table??

    Freedom of religion? A free press? The rights of our Gays and Lesbians to be allowed to live?

    So while you are attacking Bush and worrying about whatever, you are forgetting one thing. Bush is gone in 22 months. The radicals will be there, and will continue to be there until we either kill them, or they kill us.

    That's just facts folks.

    Join the reality generation. Get your heads out of your collective butts and start helping defending the country and supporting the troops.

    It is the least, the very least, you can do as pay back to the country who has given you so very, very much.

    [ Parent ]

    Best way to not lose wars? Don't start 'em. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Avedon on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 09:42:19 AM EST
    We lost the war the minute we invaded Iraq.  You just want us to keep bleeding.

    [ Parent ]
    OFF TOPIC (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 11:21:23 AM EST
    "There's a war on!" , "clinton did it!", and constant personal attacks have nothing to do with gonzales and the death penalty.

    There's a perfectly fine open thread for your screechings.

    [ Parent ]

    If only one (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 12:30:12 PM EST
    person is allowed the lattitude to troll and go off-topic as much as they want, shouldnt it be stated explicitly in the site rules?

    ppj could quote Plato on the myth of Atlantis and it would stay. Just dont respond or you'll be deleted.

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