Sen. Ted Kennedy on Immigration Raids

Senator Edward Kennedy has a diary up at Daily Kos addressing the nation's need for immigration reform. Best line:

We must find a better solution to our immigration crisis than raids that rip families apart.

His staff will be answering questions in the comments, and he will personally respond to some tomorrow.

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    Is it only the families of those who (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 03:11:20 PM EST
    choose to ignore immigration laws and commit identity fraud that we are concerned about?

    Or do we have the same outrage when parents choose to commit other crimes and as a result go to jail and/or are separated from their families?

    Speaking for me.... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 03:30:59 PM EST
    I feel outrage when anybody gets their family ripped apart for anything less than a violent crime or serious theft.

    I agree wholeheartedly that any solution to this problem has gotta leave out the ripping apart of families...where is your proposal Ted?  Thats why you make the big bucks sir....get to work, the families need you.


    I'm sure you do, kdog. (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 03:44:49 PM EST
    I just wonder where Kennedy and TL were when, for example,
    U.S. District Judge David Hittner refused to accommodate Mrs. Fastow's preference to serve her [one year] term in a minimum-security camp for women, where there is a playground her young children, ages 8 and 5, could enjoy during visits
    She was convicted of signing a fraudulent tax return (maybe several?).

    Our old friend Scooter Libby (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 03:57:24 PM EST
    has school-aged children and was found guilty of, drumroll, lying.

    I presume Kennedy and TL will be equally outraged if he does time.


    I will personally (none / 0) (#7)
    by glanton on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 04:35:33 PM EST
    think it pretty stupid if he does time. I'm not a big prison time guy though, as you would probably have guessed. My opinion on the matter has nothing to do him having school aged children, but I understand why you bring it up here.

    On topic, Kennedy's point is highly credible, suo.  I'm glad whenever people with stroke stand up for common sense and decency.


    I agree g-man (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:10:16 PM EST
    his point is good, I won't belabor mine any further, however I just hope it isn't grandstanding on his part.

    The fact that he seems to show compassion - which everyone can support - yet falls short of actually proposing a solution - which many will not support - makes me wonder just how serious he is.

    My solution to this specific problem? Continue arresting and deporting illegal aliens except give them some a reasonable amount of time to get their families and affairs organized before they leave.


    My 'solution' (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:24:49 PM EST
    Go after the corporations and their owners that hire illegals.

    Just like the War On Drugs, arresting the victims is a great sound bite and pads stats but does nothing to halt the flow; stopping the source (the folks who employ them) means going after political contributors.

    Americans will take these jobs once they are being paid what it's worth to do them.


    Good point, and no argument (none / 0) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:31:13 PM EST
    from me, sailor.

    I wonder if the owner of the textile co has kids and does time if Kennedy would be outraged?


    Ted (none / 0) (#2)
    by HeadScratcher on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 03:24:11 PM EST
    Wow, after 40 years in the Senate he can begin working on this problem. What a workhorse.

    Hmm (none / 0) (#9)
    by jarober on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 04:42:56 PM EST
    Let me guess - his solution will look like this:

    1. Amnesty

    2. Wait 5 years

    3. Ask "Gee, why do we have more people still piling in?"

    Rinse, repeat.

    That's about it. (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:38:19 PM EST
    The DKos diary includes a link to audio... (none / 0) (#13)
    by cal11 voter on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:34:28 PM EST
    of Sen. Kennedy answering a few questions, including one of mine.  Thank you Sen. Kennedy.

    The subject is problems with illegal aliens. (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 05:37:20 PM EST
    Did you read the post and the comments??

    Educate yourself.

    Teddy was of the big time drivers the last time.

    Anything he says can be taken with a grain of salt.

    Why not answer the comment instead of complaining?

    I mean, are you saying you like what was done last time? I mean it was worked so well, eh??

    At least.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 06:28:34 PM EST
    we didn't read about an ICE raid and the accompanying suffering every other week the "last time"...eh buddy?  Unless you remember different...I was just a kid.

    Lock 'em up and ship 'em out while somebody else is crossing the border to take the same job makes no sense to me.  Cruel and unusual, imo.  Not to mention ineffective.

    So yeah, I'll take amnesty over what went down in New Bedford.  Though I'm open to another solution that doesn't involve lock 'em up, ship 'em out, repeat.


    so... (none / 0) (#17)
    by jarober on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 06:55:28 PM EST
    So kdog - I'll ask you the same question I asked Jeralyn, which she's still dodging:

    Which other violations of the law should we give parents a pass on, if it means their children will be effectively orphaned?

    this is nothing new (none / 0) (#18)
    by cpinva on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 07:09:21 PM EST
    children have been separated from incarcerated parents since the first civil societies formed. thousands of years ago. what makes the children of these particular law breakers special?

    Most (none / 0) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 13, 2007 at 08:19:28 PM EST
    have neither been charged with or convicted of a crime.

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 12:17:38 PM EST
    What then is your suggestion of the appropriate consequences for citizens of foreign nations who habitually defy our non-criminal laws?

    Is ignoring deportation orders a crime? (none / 0) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:07:00 PM EST
    The raid swept up 361 workers at a leather goods factory, at least 20 percent of whom had already received deportation orders.

    Oops (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:19:54 PM EST
    Same link as the Your hero! post...

    Your hero! (none / 0) (#22)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:10:26 PM EST
    Sen. Edward Kennedy has abandoned [his] new immigration bill under discussion in favor of legislation that could be more appealing to Republicans.

    Kennedy, the lead Democrat on immigration in the Senate, is now proposing using legislation produced last year by the then Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee as a starting point for immigration reform.

    Where's Roves pal Jack Abramoff (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    when the immigrants need him? These scofflaws are one can-do lobbyist away from being Republican "freedom-seekers" and Hanjobbity's cause celebre (sp?) of the week.

    "The swimmer" is (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:31:54 PM EST
    every liberals hero. Everybody knows that.

    Um (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:41:56 PM EST
    the thread's about "the swimmer" as you call him.