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The Plot Thickens For Obama On McClurkin

Via Aravosis, HRC weighs in:

The nation’s biggest gay rights group is trying to force Sen. Barrack Obama (D-Ill.) to cancel presidential campaign event with a controversial preacher who claims he was homosexual but has been cured. The Human Rights Campaign has expressed its strong reservations to Obama over his campaign-sponsored tour that features gospel singer Donnie McClurkin. The influential organization, representing a powerful Democratic constituency, let Obama’s campaign know that it would issue a public demand if Obama did not immediately cancel the event, said a person who had been briefed on the exchange.

As I said earlier, this was not a baby that Obama could split.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:52:31 PM EST
    When he spoke at the RNC '04 there were similar protests.

    Well, Aravosis have given them no choice (none / 0) (#2)
    by Geekesque on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 01:02:13 AM EST
    but to keep McClurkin on that billing come hell or high water.

    If they take him off now, it's a cave, a capitulation, and a sign of weakness.

    Aravosis wants a scalp for his collection.  

    HRC (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:57:07 AM EST
    is not Aravosis.

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    P.S. The callout at Docudharma: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Geekesque on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:00:00 AM EST
    not cool.

    The ironic thing is that of course the easiest thing would be for Donnie M to drop out.  Sometimes reality is not as simple and easy as we would like.

    If, as is likely the case, Donnie M stays to the chagrin of the Obama people, then he has no choice to keep him.  

    Why?

    1.  He would be a hypocrite for giving him the boot, on two levels.  First, the Obama campaign made the mistake in due diligence, not Donnie M.  Second, Obama continually stresses the politics of inclusion and dialogue--being willing to accept people and engage with them even in the face of passionate and bitter disagreement.  To give Donnie M the boot would cut against that.

    2.  Ah, but rules are made to be broken, and this is politics after all.  But, the message that was sent would be that Donnie M is unacceptable as a person because of his views.  The message transmitted would be that people with similar views are not welcome.  (Excuse the lack of apostrophes--keyboard on the fritz).  That was the point of the diary--that dissing Donnie M would be awful politics for Obama and for the Democratic party.

    3.  Disinviting Donnie M at this point would not be viewed as a move of principle or sympathy for LGBT citizens, but rather a capitulation and sign of weakness.  If you are unable to stand up to a punk like John Aravosis, how can you contend with Vladimir Putin?

    In the spirit of offering constructive criticism, I would note that I have seen sites that become devoted to petty gossip about what happens at Daily Kos.  I would strongly hope that folks at Docudharma pull up before it becomes another Marisacat or My Left Wing situation.

    I would also note that one of the folks taking potshots over there at me once argued that Senators could be prosecuted at The Hague for a vote they cast.  Which is a sign of a third-rate mind.  

    I thought it was way cool (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:56:44 AM EST
    Or (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:35:53 AM EST
    4. He could get Donnie to convert back to a gay loving preacher rather than a gay (self) hater and repudiate his remarks on stage with Obama. That would show real leadership on Obama's part.

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    McClurkin is edging that direction (none / 0) (#16)
    by Geekesque on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:58:18 AM EST
    McClurkin says he is not anti-gay

    "I don't believe that even from a religious point of view that Jesus ever discriminated toward anyone, nor do I," McClurkin said in an exclusive interview with the Tribune. "Most of the things that were said were totally out of context and then other things weren't true."

    "There's never been a statement made by me about curing homosexuality. People are using that in order to incite anger and to twist my whole platform on it. There's no crusade for curing it or to convert everyone. This is just for those who come to me and ask for change."

    Still far from ideal, obviously.

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    Quite Far (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:12:39 PM EST
    Still far from ideal, obviously.

    Given what McClurkin has said already. Sounds like the guy will implode one day or do some damage unless he clears up his twisted denial.
    At least he has music to escape into. I truly feel sorry for the guy.

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    And far from a bigot... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:12:41 PM EST
    if you take him at his word.

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    You've got to be kidding! (none / 0) (#4)
    by mysistagirl on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 03:35:19 AM EST
    The reaction to this concert and the billing of Donnie McClurkin by the gay and lesbian lobby is completely hypocritical and plain outrageous.  

    This is a gospel concert, and signing up one of the greatest gospel talents in the known universe is a good thing for the cause.  And the cause, in case ya'll didn't know it, is to reach out to the faith community in gospel song.  It is not to address gay and lesbian issues.  Mr. McClurkin's views on gay and lesbians have nothing what so ever to do with his musical talent and stature.  

    If a company was hiring electrical engineers, and one of the most qualified applicants was gay, should they be disqualified because of that?  Of course not.  They should be judged on the merits as it applies to the job for which they are being sought, and this is exactly what the gay and lesbian community is constantly harping about.  Yet, in this instance you are asking the Obama camp to engage in the same kind of discriminatory practice that you yourselves abhor.  Shame on you.  

    Mr. McClurkin is an extremely accomplished gospel singer, extremely popular in the faith community and very, very much so in the African American community of faith.  For the Obama camp to diss this artist at the behest of the hypocritical gay and lesbian community, is to do serious damage to his constituency in the AA community and the community of faith.  The gay and lesbian community DOES NOT OWN the democratic party and your interests are not the only ones that matter, especially when they require a candidate to diss other important constituents.  

    Grow up, and stop acting like spoiled brats!!  

    Tell it to the HRC (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:57:42 AM EST
    I'm sure they will appreciate it.

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    And the religious right... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:54:31 AM EST
    ...doesn't even rent the party.  Do you seriously expect the Democratic Party to make any kind of room for a bigoted, tiny minded, person who thinks gay folks are somehow less than the rest of the community?  And "less than" is being kind.  Why not bring in NAMBLA?  At some point, one sets standards of equality and sticks to them.

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    He was 'cured'? (none / 0) (#8)
    by SeeEmDee on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 07:34:49 AM EST
    Ahem. And just how was this accomplished? Were a platoon of Playboy Centerfolds enlisted to actively and forcefully try to change his 'polarity' and transform him into a "goo-id Christ-yun may-an" in the process? Somehow I doubt it...

    I think he's confusing.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 09:50:56 AM EST
    a "cure" with choosing to be abstinent.

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    Obama should stand firm on this one. (none / 0) (#9)
    by lilybart on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 08:05:07 AM EST
    I am a supporter of full rights for gay people, but you don't change people's minds by shutting them out on this issue.

    Black preachers are all known to be anti-gay and the black community seems to have a big problem in general with gay people. Best to disagree but welcome them into the party and the Obama campaign and maybe they can soften their stance through example.

    If the gay activist community.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:14:19 AM EST
    wants to protest, criticize, and not vote for Obama that is their right.  Knock yourselves out, I'm not voting for him either.

    Imho, this just isn't a very good reason not to vote for him, and there are plenty of good reasons.

    Your permission is noted (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:47:11 AM EST
    And I'll tell Obama... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:01:13 AM EST
    your permission was denied.

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    LOL (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:00:26 PM EST
    God has spoken, and he likes Obama :-) (none / 0) (#20)
    by Aaron on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 09:17:27 PM EST

    Obama 08

    Genuine leadership for this new century.