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The Torment of Jose Padilla

Lawyers for alleged "dirty bomber" and Bush-declared enemy combatant Jose Padilla have filed a new salvo in his Miami federal court terror case with new details of the torment and physical deprivation to which he was subjected during his three years in the South Carolina military brig.

Here's how he got taken to the dentist for a root canal:

Several guards in camouflage and riot gear approached cell No. 103. They unlocked a rectangular panel at the bottom of the door and Mr. Padilla’s bare feet slid through, eerily disembodied. As one guard held down a foot with his black boot, the others shackled Mr. Padilla’s legs. Next, his hands emerged through another hole to be manacled.

Wordlessly, the guards, pushing into the cell, chained Mr. Padilla’s cuffed hands to a metal belt. Briefly, his expressionless eyes met the camera before he lowered his head submissively in expectation of what came next: noise-blocking headphones over his ears and blacked-out goggles over his eyes. Then the guards, whose faces were hidden behind plastic visors, marched their masked, clanking prisoner down the hall to his root canal.

The point:

To Mr. Padilla’s lawyers, the pictures capture the dehumanization of their client during his military detention from mid-2002 until earlier this year, when the government changed his status from enemy combatant to criminal defendant and transferred him to the federal detention center in Miami. He now awaits trial scheduled for late January.

Together with other documents filed late Friday, the images represent the latest and most aggressive sally by defense lawyers who declared this fall that charges against Mr. Padilla should be dismissed for “outrageous government conduct,” saying that he was mistreated and tortured during his years as an enemy combatant.

His lawyers argue, and a psychiatrist who evaluated Padilla agrees, he is not competent to stand trial.

They argue that he has been so damaged by his interrogations and prolonged isolation that he suffers post-traumatic stress disorder and is unable to assist in his own defense. His interrogations, they say, included hooding, stress positions, assaults, threats of imminent execution and the administration of “truth serums.”

....Dr. Angela Hegarty, director of forensic psychiatry at the Creedmoor Psychiatric Center in Queens, N.Y., who examined Mr. Padilla for a total of 22 hours in June and September, said in an affidavit filed Friday that he “lacks the capacity to assist in his own defense.”

“It is my opinion that as the result of his experiences during his detention and interrogation, Mr. Padilla does not appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him, is unable to render assistance to counsel, and has impairments in reasoning as the result of a mental illness, i.e., post-traumatic stress disorder, complicated by the neuropsychiatric effects of prolonged isolation,” Dr. Hegarty said in an affidavit for the defense.

More on the conditions:

In an affidavit filed Friday, [Lawyer Andrew Patel] alleged that Mr. Padilla was held alone in a 10-cell wing of the brig; that he had little human contact other than with his interrogators; that his cell was electronically monitored and his meals were passed to him through a slot in the door; that windows were blackened, and there was no clock or calendar; and that he slept on a steel platform after a foam mattress was taken from him, along with his copy of the Koran, “as part of an interrogation plan.”

Even military lawyers agree:

Philip D. Cave, a former judge advocate general for the Navy and now a lawyer specializing in military law, said, “There’s nothing comparable in terms of severity of confinement, in terms of how Padilla was held, especially considering that this was pretrial confinement.”

The Government is seeking to block Padilla's lawyers from telling the jury about the conditions of his confinement at his trial.

Federal prosecutors have asked the judge to forbid Mr. Padilla’s lawyers from mentioning the circumstances of his military detention during the trial, maintaining that their accusations could “distract and inflame the jury.”

But defense lawyers say it is unconscionable to ignore Mr. Padilla’s military detention because, among other reasons, it altered him in a way that will impinge on his trial.

....“During questioning, he often exhibits facial tics, unusual eye movements and contortions of his body,” Mr. Patel said. “The contortions are particularly poignant since he is usually manacled and bound by a belly chain when he has meetings with counsel.”

There should be a greater outcry over this.

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    There should be a greater outcry over this. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by aw on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 10:54:46 PM EST
    There should be thunderbolts raining down on us for allowing this in the USA.

    What are they thinking? (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 11:06:08 PM EST
    Hopefully the gods will wake up soon and start raining down some well placed thunderbolts.

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    I'm afraid to know what they're thinking (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by aw on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 11:15:39 PM EST
    especially the kinds of perverted professionals who study how to dehumanize people in service to those who do it.   This is the kind of science this administration likes:  mad science.

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    The most conclusive proof to date (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by nolo on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:09:53 PM EST
    that there is no god is the fact that well-placed thunderbolts have not yet rained down on the likes of Jose Padilla's tormentors and the administration that set them in action.

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    Enough of this nonsense (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Al on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:11:53 AM EST
    Enough with the government's excuse that the abuse its prisoners are subjected to cannot be told because it's a state secret. Let the truth be told, let reasonable people judge, let the government be held accountable.

    Where (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 03:38:31 AM EST
    are the bushlickers on this? They're conspicuous by their absence in this thread. Are they drooling too hard to type? Or what?
    how he got taken to the dentist for a root canal

    C'mon guys - what's the standard line now? Gotta a set an example for all the other terrists George is busy creating with his utter incompetence in the ME?

    How about this: you can't be too careful with Padilla - he's a terrist, right? Enemy combatant, right? Christ - the guy's liable to overpower ten guys three times his size with his super powers, run down the hall, out the door and across the parking lot, and steal a 767 all on his own and crash it into PPJ's house - and all without breaking a sweat.

    Hannibal Lechter on steroids, right? F*ck.

    re Lecter (none / 0) (#14)
    by scribe on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 08:56:11 AM EST
    Even for the character of Hannibal Lecter, they never deprived him of human contact.

    And that character was "dangerous", not submissive like Padilla....

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    Re: submissive (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 09:36:15 AM EST
    Form the NYT article:
    One of Mr. Padilla's lawyers, Orlando do Campo, said, however, that Mr. Padilla was a "completely docile" prisoner. "There was not one disciplinary problem with Jose ever, not one citation, not one act of disobedience," said Mr. do Campo, who is a lawyer at the Miami federal public defender's office.

    In his affidavit, Mr. Patel [another of Padilla's lawyers] said, "I was told by members of the brig staff that Mr. Padilla's temperament was so docile and inactive that his behavior was like that of `a piece of furniture.'"

    His lawyers now argue that he is so mentally, what(?)... probably utterly discombobulated from his 3 1/2 years of treatment like this that he is unable to assist in his own defence and unfit to stand trial.

    No sh*t! What a surprise: his behavior was like that of `a piece of furniture.'

    I guess you never know when your easy chair is going to spring into action and slit your throat, right?

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    Just curious... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by David at Kmareka on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 07:34:01 AM EST
    Did Padilla actually need a root canal, or was that part of his "interrogation"?  Also, during the procedure, was he provided with adequate anesthetic?  One can easily imagine not.

    One can furthermore easily imagine the Bush administration claiming that their treatment of Padilla was compassionate and humane, as evidenced by their providing him with free dental care.  (Of course, they would neglect to mention that such care was administered by Dr. Christian Szell, the Nazi from the movie, Marathon Man.)

    I had the same thought (none / 0) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 07:45:51 AM EST
    first thing that went through  my mind was Marathon Man.



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    Let us not forget (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by scribe on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 09:00:06 AM EST
    That, while these videos were being made, the commander of the prison holding Padilla was Cmdr. Catherine Hanft.  You know the old saw (and regulation):  "A commander is responsible for everything their subordinates do or don't do."

    She was on the most recent Navy promotion list, to the grade of Captain.

    At the same time, Lt. Commander Charles Swift, JAG, was fighting for Hamdan, and winning.  He was passed over for promotion.

    Shows, yet again, how perverse the Bushco regime is....

    Headline was just above the fold (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by dutchfox on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 09:45:59 AM EST
    ... in my paper edition today.

    Video Is a Window Into a Terror Suspect's Isolation

    To me that's a pretty lame headline. It should read "Video Shows Terror Subject's Torture".

    I agree - with one small difference (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 09:52:14 AM EST
     "Video Shows Terror Subject's COWARDLY Torture"

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    And it just gets worse.... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:44:28 AM EST
    It should be headlined as this - SECRETIVE MILITARY INCARCERATION OF AN AMERICAN CITIZEN - over and over and over again...

    The videotape of that trip to the dentist, which was recently released to Mr. Padilla's lawyers and viewed by The New York Times,

    offers the first concrete glimpse inside the secretive military incarceration of an American citizen whose detention without charges became a test case of President Bush's powers in the fight against terror.

    Still frames from the videotape were posted in Mr. Padilla's electronic court file late Friday.

    Doncha just love this:

    [...the government stated. "While in the brig, Padilla never reported any abusive treatment to the staff or medical personnel."

    In the brig, Mr. Padilla was denied access to counsel for 21 months.]

    You can't bring up anything if you're not able to talk to anyone.

    And it just gets worse....

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    His lawyers (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:48:54 AM EST
    are not allowed to describe his conditions of detention to the jury.

    Parent
    edger (1.00 / 2) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:22:34 AM EST
    Probably because it has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

    I mean, even I understand that...

    And I'd bet real money that if he had been held in  a suite at the Park Plaza, you wouldn't want the jurt told that.

    Do you deny that??

    Parent

    Why? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:54:48 AM EST
    Yeah, why?

    Parent
    Simple answer? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:00:18 AM EST
    Because Bush, his administration, and all of his supporters, are cowards. And terrorists.
    Federal prosecutors and defense lawyers are locked in a tug of war over the relevancy of Mr. Padilla's military detention to the present criminal case. Federal prosecutors have asked the judge to forbid Mr. Padilla's lawyers from mentioning the circumstances of his military detention during the trial, maintaining that their accusations could "distract and inflame the jury."

    But defense lawyers say it is unconscionable to ignore Mr. Padilla's military detention because, among other reasons, it altered him in a way that will impinge on his trial.

    Dr. Angela Hegarty, director of forensic psychiatry at the Creedmoor Psychiatric Center in Queens, N.Y., who examined Mr. Padilla for a total of 22 hours in June and September, said in an affidavit filed Friday that he "lacks the capacity to assist in his own defense."

    MORE...



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    Is that an exception? (none / 0) (#38)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:15:04 PM EST
    Disclaimer: I am not an attorney.

    Is it normal procedure for an attorney to NOT be allowed to discuss the conditions in/under which their client is being held?

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    Who were you asking, Kitt? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:21:46 PM EST
    I'm asking someone who would know (none / 0) (#45)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:10:46 PM EST
    say, like an attorney, because I am not one. I'm in another field entirely.

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    Kitt, the government anticipates... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:29:21 PM EST
    ...that jurors, if told of this abominable treatment, would become so inflamed and disgusted with this torture that many would reflexively vote "not guilty" simply to teach the government a lesson without consideration as to his guilt or innocence.

    They're right. And it is for precisely that reason the evidence should be allowed to be presented: so jurors can send the signal to the government that if you are going to torture an man out of his mind, they will dismiss the charges because you cannot believe any evidence obtained as a result of torture.

    That's WHY bush was so desperate to get his MCA act so he can conceal government crime.

    Parent

    Bill, edger...you're missing my question (none / 0) (#44)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:09:47 PM EST
    I know IN THIS CASE....the jurors are not allowed

    I'm asking in a criminal trial, say I've smacked the sh*t out of Jim [yeah, it could happen;)] and I was kept in horrible conditions [say, because his mother was the sheriff], are my attorneys not allowed to tell the jury the conditions in which I've been kept?

    Is this a normal procedure in trials within our judicial system? Are jurors not allowed to hear from the defendant's attorney the condition(s) in which they are kept?

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    I understood what you were asking... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:24:22 PM EST
    ...just not who.

    I'm not a lawyer either but I'll take a shot at it. I don't think it is normal or usual to keep information like this away from a jury.

    If it was, why would:

    Federal prosecutors have asked the judge to forbid Mr. Padilla's lawyers from mentioning the circumstances of his military detention during the trial

    And I think Bill answered the why part very well.

    But again, I'm not a lawyer, and I'd like to hear a lawyers thoughts.

    Jeralyn, is there anything you can say here?

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    Gotcha ya, edger. (n/t) (none / 0) (#52)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:34:40 PM EST
    But in the vast majority of cases... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:32:23 PM EST
    ...there isn't any government misconduct. If your confinement was as egregious as that in Padilla's case, the conduct MIGHT come in for consideration, but it would be after protracted arguments with prosecutors, who would undoubtedly know such information would make it much more difficult to obtain a conviction.

    After trial, during deliberations, it only takes ONE sympathetic juror to cost the prosecutor his entire case.

    I believe that in Padilla, they will not obtain a conviction regardless of whether the evidence of torture comes in, but I believe it will be admitted along with the testimony of the psychiatrist.

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    In a normal case (none / 0) (#64)
    by nolo on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:46:32 AM EST
    conditions of detention would not be revealed to the jury.  The conditions in which the defendant is being (or has been) detained would, at the most, be relevant to whether statements made by the defendant (such as a confession) are admissible at trial, but that would be an issue raised in a suppression hearing before trial, and not at the trial itself.  In addition, in a normal case, the defense would not want to signal to the jury that the defendant is already being detained, since it might prejudice the jury against the defendant.  In fact, it's generally considered prejudicial error to force a defendant to appear before the jury in prison clothes (as opposed to street clothes), because it signals to the jury that the defendant's already being detained.

    That being said, this is not a normal case.

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    You wouldn' know (1.00 / 2) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:19:32 AM EST
    Torture?

    Dutch, you wouldn't know torture if it was biting you on the ankle.

    Look at all the care that is being taken to noy injure him and to not let him injure others, and himself.

    How many torture chambers do you know that provide fee dental care??

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    Constitution or toilet paper (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:32:11 AM EST
    Imagine what our constitution would look like if the confederates won the civil war. PPJ would be Veep and we would have been in a constant state of war for the last 80 years.

    All ppj's colored people would be in concentration camps picking cotton.

    Not speaking english would be punishable by death. Actually torture until an english confession was uttered, in other words death.

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    False claims is what squeaky does best. (1.00 / 2) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:51:55 PM EST
    squeak - I see you still like to make false claims based on no evidence. As I remember you also called Rove a Nazi because his parents are German.

    Real clear thinking there, eh???

    And I am sure you want to claim that the radical Moslem terrorists are justified in killing Jews and Christians because of the Crusades..

    Holding grudges is evidently what you do best.

    In the meantime, your claims are laughable except to those like you who are as confused as you are, and I care not one but what you believe.

    The facts speak for themselves.

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    Old Saw (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:52:05 PM EST
    Ah, whenever ppj's old saw comes out someone has him in a corner.

    As I remember you also called Rove a Nazi because his parents are German

    Yes oh master of propaganda, at it again.

    Rove's ideological lineage is right out of the freicorps. It is startling that his disinformation campaigns were remarkably similar to Goebbels' well tested propaganda techniques. The fact that Rove is also german is incidental, but hardly an insignificant coincidence.

    Rove seems like a Nazi to many of us. Maybe it is just a 'northern' thing.

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:58:30 PM EST
    If I was accessory to the kind of sick, twisted, disgusting, monstrous and inhuman perversions that he's been supporting and still supports, I'd be graspingf at any straws and trying anything I could think of to change the subject too.

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    does this commenter ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Sailor on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:13:04 PM EST
    ... ever stay on topic?

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    No. (none / 0) (#56)
    by aw on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:16:09 PM EST
    Jim (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Jen M on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:27:45 PM EST
    And you would deny it is torture right up until it was done to you, then you would scream bloody murder.

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    As a veteran I am so ashamed of... (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:03:15 PM EST
    ...this treatment of an American citizen in this manner. Never in my life did I envision that here in America we would condone torture, deprive suspects of habeas corpus and other rights, and actively engage in torturing a man to the point of insanity.

    These are not the things for which I laid my life on the line for America and I feel deeply ashamed that we could or would elect a president with such a diseased mind that in six years he has undone everything that made America great and respected in the world.

    People will say, "Well, he's a terrorist..." as if that provides carte blanche permission to torture a man until he has no humanity left within him.

    Maybe having suffered the ravages of PTSD makes me more sensitive to this issue than I would otherwise be, but PTSD deprives you of your humanity, destroys the ability to think logically, depresses the human spirit to where the will to live can just fade away; you can find yourself shedding morning tears at just the thought of having to face another day.

    To deliberately reduce a fellow human being to that state should alone be sufficient cause to arrest and prosecute every jailer, every interrogator, everyone who knew of and participated in the willful destruction of a man's mind, and charge them all with war crimes, crimes against humanity, assault and battery, and the infliction of severe mental and physical distress done with the intent of never allowing Mr. Padilla to pursue his legal rights by denying him the mental capacity to do so.

    This was done to an AMERICAN CITIZEN, in the NAME OF AMERICA, supported by the MIGHT OF AMERICA, under the command of an AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

    No wonder the world rightfully considers America to be a greater threat to world peace than radical Islamic "terrorists".

    I have never been so ashamed of my country and I feel as if a lifetime spent in service of others has been totally wiped out, as if I never existed.

    Damn you, george w. bush.

    False claims (1.00 / 3) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:54:13 PM EST
    As a veteran I condemn Bill's untowardly comments and attacks.

    Bill. You have no proof what so ever, why are you so anxious to always believe these claims?

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    You condemn the truth (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by aw on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:59:55 PM EST
    and everyone here knows it.  It's sad to see you defend torturers and criminals like this.  Just sad.

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    It's okay, aw, I long ago figured... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:19:22 PM EST
    ...out that some people can be so blinded by their own version of reality that it becomes impossible for them to accept any other reality. Like bush and JimakaPPJ.

    I mean every word of my post, the words come from my heart while my mind reels at the illegalities now condoned by our government.

    And I DEFINITELY don't give a sh*t what Jim thinks. His condemnations ring as the purest of bells to my ear, and in this case I am very proud to hold a belief 180 degrees, diametrically opposed to Jim.

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    You'd would've made a good Soviet (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Dadler on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:29:51 PM EST
    As you so eagerly and without question toe the company line that tries to parse "abuse" from "torture" as if it means something.  Your notion that you can only be injured physically, and your de-facto separation of the mind from the body -- even though the brain is the most complex organ INSIDE the body -- evidences an ignorance of, or a willful denial of, how the brain functions and malfunctions and can be abused.  

    Are you going to claim that the brain/mind is not a physical orgain?  Or that harming the brain can only be accomplished with a beating or something similar?  That sensory depravation and solitary conditions don't negatively affect a person's mental health?

    This is not about protecting him or protecting others, be serious, you're not that naive, it's about abusing the guy for retributive purposes...beause he was ASSUMED TO BE GUILTY.

     

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    Dadler (none / 0) (#58)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:28:39 PM EST
    You're right. He's not that naive.

    He knows exactly what he is supporting, and he does it without conscience. On purpose.

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    exactly (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:32:49 PM EST
    I save my worry for citizens of the US who may find themselves in trouble.
    --jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 07:19:32 AM PST


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    padilla (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by orionATL on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:11:48 PM EST
    some comments on this most recent padilla story and pictures:

    1) the government's treatment of padilla is precisely why the american constitution, particularly its first ten amendments, was focused so extensively on protecting individual citizens from the power of their government. In practice this meant protecting a citizen from the persons holding power in that government.

    most of the contributors to the constitution were well-versed in the history of english, and subsequently of american, governments' abuses of individuals with whom those in power disagreed.

    2) this could be any one of us who SAID the wrong thing at the wrong time.

    that's why the "bill of rights amendments" are so important - they give you leverage to oppose being left to rot in the tower of london or in an american navy brig if the gov don't like you.

    1. padilla's treatment in military detention will be a cause of shame to the american military forever. if civilian leadership can command improper behavior of this sort and it be implemented by the military, then the american armed forces stand as a perpetual potential danger to the nation.

    2. why has padilla not been tried?

    imagine - and the bush administration always so imagines - the public relations power of a trial featuring a sociopathic terrorist caught nearly implementing a terrible crime against his people.

    fabulous!

    so why no trial?

    because padilla's conduct posed no actual threat to the united states and there would be little of substance to bring to bear in a case against him.

    i believe that padilla was arrested because his arrest and detention had political power for the bush administration.

    the announcement of his arrest was a politically valuable event - a staged political event serving the same general purpose as the one in which "commander codpiece" landed on an american aircraft carrier.

    why risk a trial when you can get all the benefits without one.

    i suspect that the announcement of padilla's arrest was part of the "trust the bush administration to deal with terrible dangers" advertising campaign that the administration waged as part of the exploitation of the sept 2001 for the purpose of aggregating political power.

    in short, padilla made himself a very handy political tool.

    5) why treat padilla like this?

    why subject him to years of emotional and sensory deprivation

    it's not for his safety.

    it's not because his personality and conduct requires such constraint, even if initially it did. the man's a vegetable.

    it's not because putting chains on him or goggles on him or keeping him in isolation from other humans for months is necessary to get whatever info from him he has to give, if any.

    in fact, if padilla follows the profile of other terrorists arrested in the u.s., he said the wrong thing, he fantasized doing the wrong thing, rather than actually doing it.

    no.

    the reason padilla is treated this way is so that, once freed,

    he can never, and will never want to, describe what he experienced while under united states government detention.

    in other words, so that he cannot become, what he has every potential to be, a reminder to us, his fellow citizens, of just how callous the bush administration is  when it comes to the treatment of american citizens.

    for, if he were not driven mad by the emotional and sensory deprivation he has been subjected to, he might be able to provide a coherent explanation of what little threat he posed and thereby expose just how callous and lawless,
    for reasons of political power, the bush administration hs been.

    6) and perhaps most important, padilla's case disabuses us fat and happy citizens that the protections the american constitution promised us against potential depredations of our government against us are not automatic and are not guaranteed in any manner.

    they are, in fact, quite fragile. most particularly, if the president does not value them and implement them.

    if, to use his own phrase, the president regards the constitution and its guarantees as "just a god-damned piece of paper".

     

    correction (none / 0) (#48)
    by orionATL on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:19:42 PM EST
    above should read:

    and perhaps most important, padilla's case disabuses us fat and happy citizens OF ANY NOTION THAT that the protections the american constitution promised us against potential depredations of our government against us are  automatic and guaranteed in any manner.

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    Hope (1.00 / 3) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:16:55 AM EST
    It is my opinion that as the result of his experiences during his detention and interrogation

    And so writes Dr. Hegarty...

    You know, I would give a shiny quarter to know the Doctor's politics....

    BTW - Just signed on to AOL, which is an admittedly ISP favorite of the young... those people who supposedly are anti-war on terror...

    Guess what? 67% approve of his treatmemt.

    There may be some hope for the younger generation after all.

    Just his luck, he's Hispanic (none / 0) (#5)
    by chris in sacto on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:43:29 AM EST
    Faux News would have wall to wall coverage of his story if Padilla were a blond from the 'burbs.  That's their excuse, what's wrong with the rest of the media?  

    This is an American citizen, held without charge for years, subjected to inhumane treatment and the defense bar seems to be impotent to reverse his fortune.  

    Link to the video captures filed in court (none / 0) (#6)
    by rothmatisseko on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:23:26 AM EST
    Click here.  

    Hopefully the winds of change in D.C. aren't just blowing hot air.  

    This is why we vote!! (none / 0) (#8)
    by plumberboy on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 05:28:08 AM EST
    This is why we vote and support orgnizations like the aclu.The right wing dictators must be shut down and the only way to do that is vote there butt out of office.This is a absolute outrage at anytime but especially when America is claiming to be this moral example to the rest of the world and promote democracy.I hope as the guard changes in Washington the people who ordered this abuse are tried for war crimes.They should not escape justice just because there in America and not some third world country.This is absolutely unreal I can't believe this type of behavior is acceptable anywhere but especially here in America.

    My disgust (none / 0) (#11)
    by yank in london on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 08:25:46 AM EST
    This behaviour is just revolting. It dehumanises all involved; the prisoner, the guards, those resposible and those of us in whose name such maltreatment is performed. Can America still rationally consider itself to be part of the civilised world?

    No. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by aw on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 08:27:10 AM EST
    Agreed. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 12:05:36 PM EST
    not anymore (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jen M on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:33:48 PM EST
    I wonder if they (none / 0) (#13)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 08:28:57 AM EST
    treated this guy the same way. Oh, that's right. He's white.

    Yeah, good one, Che (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Kitt on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:27:21 AM EST
    Orcinus - has a post on it. Dave Neiwert is a good source for all things hate-crime oriented in this country, especially the Pacific NW.

    Crocker, who told undercover FBI agents of his desire to explode a briefcase bomb while Congress was in session, was found guilty by a jury in about 90 minutes in April
    .

    As for Mr. Padilla:

    They argue that he has been so damaged by his interrogations and prolonged isolation that he suffers post-traumatic stress disorder and is unable to assist in his own defense. His interrogations, they say, included hooding, stress positions, assaults, threats of imminent execution and the administration of "truth serums.

    But remember, we don't use torture to get our information. We ask you nicely.

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    Crocker? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 10:36:49 AM EST
    Ain't no terrist. He's jes' a good ole' boy who don't much like revenooers, ain't he?

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    Well I never.... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 09:44:44 AM EST
    thought I'd see the day that American justice so eerily resembled a Kafka novel...but that day has arrived.  I feel shame.

    Oh, yeah, let's have all Mommas... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:37:49 AM EST
    ...raise their children to be cowboys, and torturers, and cruel, and inhuman, and so psychologically damaged that they enjoy it.

    Then they can run for President.

    Tancredo (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:41:04 AM EST
    Maybe Tancredo was referring to the Miami Federal Courthouse when he said it's third world down there...now that would make sense.

    ppj once again endorses ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 11:54:27 AM EST
    ... torture, indefinite detention w/o charges, and unconstitutional violations on an American citizen.

    And no, AOL is not a fav of the young; opposition to torture is a demographic shared by almost all humans; and relying on an online poll for your sense of hope is just another example of your mental disease.

    ppj is a comedian (none / 0) (#61)
    by skeptic on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 02:52:38 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ bloviates
    Just signed on to AOL, which is an admittedly ISP favorite of the young... those people who supposedly are anti-war on terror...

    Guess what? 67% approve of his treatmemt.

    AOL is an ISP favorite of the young?!? Where do you get your demographics figures from? Fantasyland?!? According to AOL 68% of their users or over the age of 35. No, AOL is favored by older users who are not technically savvy enough to figure out how to use the Internets on their own,  apparently much like yourself. Actually AOL and its users are ridiculed and derided by the young. In the future, before you go pulling some b.s. pseudo-conventional wisdom out of your butt about what young people think, try visiting Myspace or some other site young people actually do use and actually ask them   what they think so you don't look like such an out of touch idiot next time.

    Are you new here? (none / 0) (#62)
    by aw on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 03:10:22 PM EST
    so you don't look like such an out of touch idiot next time.

    You must be or you would realize this is impossible.

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