Produce yours. Or Bush's if you can find his, if he ever had one. Maybe you can take a shot a defining "winning" one more time, while you're at it, since you'll find yourself with so much spare time trying to find Bush's plan. You do want to "win" don't you? Exactly what is it you that want to "win"?

Produce your plan, since you brought up the subject.

Failure to provide same tells me that you are not a serious person and really have little to add to the firm.

Except transparent and lame attempts to avoid responsibility and shift blame.

Nothing new here.

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At some point the American people will not countenance, and Congress will not support, a war that cannot be won. Just how many lives will be wasted in what we all know is a wasted effort is about the only question still left on the table.
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Maybes are not sufficient reason for Americans to continue to die.

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The world was different then, so little attention was paid. That has changed now and the Demos remain under the microscope of the Internet and a 24/7 media.

So they will do nothing. Rangel knows that, just as he knows that since the Demos are demanding change it is up to them to spell out the change. That the media doesn't stick that question to him reflects their cooperation with the Demos as cheerleaders and water carriers.

The truth is that all of the hue and cry by the Demos and probably 95% of the Left, was about nothing more than politics. A ruse to fool the voters into thinking that we have a choice about fighting this global war and that the Demos had a magic solution they would use if they were just elected.

Now they have won the Congress and they are exposed as having nothing. They thought to hang their hats on the ISG, a surrender docuement by old unelected men and women who are evidently senile. I say senile because only senile people with their experience could think that the cold war strategies can work with an enemy that doesn't worry about millions of their people dying and so doesn't worry about MAD and who therefore will not negoitate in any way except to buy time when they need it. "Good faith" means nothing to people who deny the Holocaust happened and regularly call for killing millions of Jews by destroying Israel.

Fortunately it appears that Bush has regained his sanity and the ISG report is apparently DOA.

In the meantime, the MSM is having hissy fits and the Demos are being exposed for what they have done.

That their actions have undoubtedly prolonged the war and are part of the problem will slowly and surely dawn on the American voter, just as it did in 1980.

In the meantime I ask the attendees on this blog the same question I used to ask the chronic complainers who reported to me before I became a ROF.

What's your plan? I would like to see it along with projected short, mid and long term results, along with costs, revenues and profits. Failure to provide same tells me that you are not a serious person and really have little to add to the firm.

Didn't you work for Chamberlain?? Peace in our time and all that??

So let's see. With your plan you have low up front costs (military dollar expenditures), mid term costs increasing at a rapid pace and long term costs out of sight with no end in sight.

Revenues (national safety) are flat up front and falling with no end in site for the long term.

Number of military deaths are low up front but for the mid and long term they soar, along with US civilian deaths.

As for funding I think some of these questions about Congress and the Executive and foreign policy funding were examined during Iran-Contra with regards to the Boland Amendment stopping US funding of military action in Nicaragua. Maybe the current Congress could add an amendment to funding that prevented US troops from engaging in policing and security operations in Iraq's civil war and specify the terms of funding - counterterrorism ops against foreign fighters and border and infrastructure securty at the request of the Iraqi government.

The unanimous vote by the US Senate on Friday [at the end of September 2006] to approve the Bush administration's request for an additional $70 billion to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrates a basic truth of American politics: the Democratic Party, no less than the Republicans, is a party of imperialist militarism and war.

Not a single senator of either party missed the opportunity to demonstrate his or her support for the bloody interventions in the Middle East and Central Asia. This vote rips asunder the miserable attempts of a section of the Democratic Party to posture as "critics" of the Iraq war. It demonstrates that behind the quibbling over tactics and complaints about the incompetence of the Bush administration's conduct of the war, the Democrats remain committed to violently suppressing the resistance of the Iraqi people to the US occupation and Washington's drive to seize the country's oil resources.

The vote shows that a Democratic victory in the November mid-term elections will in no way alter the basic course of US foreign policy--whether in Iraq or Afghanistan, or other countries targeted for future aggression such as Iran and Syria.

bush is traipsing around seeking everyone's "suggestions" that will be promptly put aside, but that will allow him to say, "I listened to all those people and they got it wrong."

The sheer arrogance of bush, and his disrespect for the rule of law and our constitution simply defies credulity or description.

Get ready for another 3,000-4,000 dead soldiers, 20-30 thousand more wounded, hundreds of thousands of more Iraqi casualties, and THEN the inevitable withdrawal in ignominious defeat.

bush is the most destructive and brutal world leader there is right now and for the foreseeable future.