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Jon Tester: A New Breed of Democrat

Some of you may know that I think Jon Tester may be the most significant politician to emerge from this election. I think he can and does represent a new breed of Democrat - authentic, comfortable with his identity, proud to be a Democrat, not afraid to fight and yes - from the West.

I have been speechifying against the proposed Barack Obama model of new Democrat that has captured the fancy of the Beltway. I think that Obama has the wrong political formula for the Democratic future. I think Jon Tester has the right one.

I have written about Obama and his "reachout"/"values" voter thusly:

They [the Extreme Right] seek approval. And it is here where Digby has aptly applied the lessons of Richard Hofstadter and where Senator Barack Obama, most notably in his latest speech on faith has not and needs to:
For some time now, there has been plenty of talk among pundits and pollsters that the political divide in this country has fallen sharply along religious lines. Indeed, the single biggest "gap" in party affiliation among white Americans today is not between men and women, or those who reside in so-called Red States and those who reside in Blue, but between those who attend church regularly and those who don't.

Conservative leaders, from Falwell and Robertson to Karl Rove and Ralph Reed, have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design.

Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait. At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that - regardless of our personal beliefs - constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, some liberals dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word "Christian" describes one's political opponents, not people of faith.

So Obama acknowledges the divide, acknowledges the Republican exploitation of this "status resentment" and chooses to respond by embracing it and "apologizing," so to speak, on behalf of Democrats:

We first need to understand that Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people believe in angels than do those who believe in evolution.

. . . This is why, if we truly hope to speak to people where they're at - to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own - we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse. Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome - others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.

In other words, if we don't reach out to evangelical Christians and other religious Americans and tell them what we stand for, Jerry Falwell's and Pat Robertson's will continue to hold sway.
Obama has learned nothing from Lincoln and nothing from Hofstadter. As wonderfully talented a politician he is, until he does, he will not best serve the interests of progressives and the Democratic Party.

In this election cycle, the candidate who embodied the Obama ideal of reachout to religious voters was Harold Ford, who even shot his first commercial from a church:

In an attempt to woo religious voters, Tennessee’s Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate has filmed a campaign commercial in his childhood church, with a large white cross looming over his right shoulder.

“I started in the church the old-fashioned way… I was forced to,” said Rep. Harold Ford Jr., sitting in a glossy wooden pew. “Here, I learned the difference between right and wrong.”

Released last week, the commercial comes as Ford, the scion of a powerful African American political family, enters the homestretch of a tight race for the seat of retiring Majority Leader Bill Frist.

So how did Ford do with those religious voters? How did Ford do regular churchgoers, the group Obama identified? Corker, Ford's opponent, carried this group 61-38.

So Ford's drift and appeal to the Right MAY have wielded some dividends, but certainly nothing decisive. What is the flip side of such an appeal? Contrast in order to get independent voters. And how did Ford do with Independents? He underperformed Democrats across the country is how he did - only splitting Independents with Corker. So it appears Ford also paid a price with his reachout approach.

Now why do I think Jon Tester is the new breed of Democrat? First, he won. That's obviously important. But just as important was how Tester won - as a proud Democrat in a Red State:

Tester is Winning in Red State Montana:

Has Tester trimmed his sails in fear of Karl Rove, as Halperin suggests Dems should do? Quite the opposite:

Jon Tester believes in freedom first. Under the PATRIOT Act, the FBI could obtain records on every video you ever rented and every book you ever checked out. They can obtain your bank statements and medical records; they can even keep tabs on our guns. What's worse is they can request this information for any reason at all, without your knowledge.

Tester believes we should be fighting terrorists, not invading the lives of innocent Americans. In Washington, Tester will fight for more human intelligence, a greater investment in our Special Forces, and closing backdoors to terrorism like the one left open by the Burns-Abramoff immigration policy in the Marianas Islands.

proud Democrat on the issues:

Choice

We all share the same goal: to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies in this country. There are concrete steps we can take to achieve that goal. Jon Tester trusts the women of Montana to make their own medical decisions in consultation with her family, doctor and God. The politicians in Washington shouldn't interfere with this very personal and difficult decision. The decision to have an abortion is a difficult one and it should remain safe, legal, and rare.

. . . Health Care

Jon Tester believes that health care in Montana should be affordable, accessible and the best in the world. Jon has a record of strong leadership to deliver affordable health care for Montanans. As President of the Montana Senate in 2005, Tester increased access to health care for children, seniors and small business employees. In the U.S. Senate, Jon Tester will stand up to big insurance companies and support a health care plan that makes health care affordable for all Montanans.

Iraq

Jon Tester supports our troops in Iraq who have fought bravely and made us proud, but unfortunately their leaders in Washington have let them down. This administration is conducting the war in Iraq with no plan and no end in sight and has failed to give our troops the armor and equipment they need to be safe and successful. Montanans deserve a senator who'll demand the President present a clear plan to give the Iraqi military control of their own country and bring our troops home. As your senator, Tester will never waver in keeping America safe and strong. Jon will keep the commitment we have made to our soldiers and veterans and will ask the tough questions to ensure that our troops have a clear mission and all the resources they need.

. . .

Minimum Wage

Jon Tester supports paying workers a fair, livable wage. As President of the Montana Senate in 2005, Jon Tester voted for a bill that would raise the Montana minimum wage to $6 an hour by July 2006. Sen. Burns, on the other hand, has voted against raising the federal minimum wage at least 11 times.

Patriot Act

Jon Tester believes in freedom first. Under the PATRIOT Act, the FBI could obtain records on every video you ever rented and every book you ever checked out. They can obtain your bank statements and medical records; they can even keep tabs on our guns. What's worse is they can request this information for any reason at all, without your knowledge. Jon Tester believes we should be fighting terrorists, not invading the lives of innocent Americans. In Washington, Tester will fight for more human intelligence, a greater investment in our Special Forces, and closing backdoors to terrorism like the one left open by the Burns-Abramoff immigration policy in the Marianas Islands.

Social Security

Jon Tester supports ensuring the long-term solvency of Social Security and does not support privatization. In 2005 he voted to urge Congress to provide sound, long-term funding for Social Security and to avoid privatization. Sen. Burns, on the other hand, supports privatization of Social Security schemes and has repeatedly voted to put tax cuts for the wealthy ahead of the long-term solvency of Social
Security.

Stem Cell Research

Montana values mean doing everything you can to help a sick neighbor. By voting against stem cell research, Sen. Burns has clearly lost his way. Jon Tester believes we need to devote every possible idea and every possible resource to curing degenerative diseases.

And Jon Tester won white men and women, rural voters, and all segments. Specifically among religious voters Tester did just a bit worse than Ford, taking 34% of regular churchgoers which would be no worse than equal among white churchgoers (Montana has a negligible African American population.)

But Tester did something Ford did not - he swept Independent voters, winning them by 59-35 over the Republican incumbent Conrad Burns.

The Obama Model failed to do what was advertised in Tennessee, with a very adept candidate. In my view, it was proven NOT to work and should be abandoned as a strategy.

The Tester Model DID work, winning and winning with Independents. Jon Tester was a tremendous candidate using a political strategy that Democrats across the country can use and succeed with. Harold Ford was a tremendous candidate who used a strategy that is not universal for Democrats, applied it in a fairly fertile state for it and failed to attract significant amounts of religious voters and failed to have appeal for Independent voters.

The verdict is in - Obama is wrong. Tester is right. Right for Democrats all over the country. We want and need proud fighting Dems like Jon Tester, not accomodating ones like Barack Obama.

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    Hire this guy. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:18:35 PM EST
    Jon Tester doesn't sound to me like anywhere near the stereotypical peace, love, groovey incense burning 'make nice with everybody' leftwing fanatic who just had granola and treebark for breakfast.

    I doubt he ever goes looking for trouble. But from descriptions I've heard (big belly, scuffed cowboy boots), and from pictures I've seen, he sure sounds and looks like the kind of guy who'd stomp into the ground pretty god*amn fast ANYONE who'd try to f*ck with his or mine or your freedoms, or constitution, or attack his country.

    Then he'd reach down with a big sh*t-eatin' grin and offer you a hand to get you back up on your feet, probably buy you a beer, and ask if you need a job. Probably laugh off a weird skin color or religion too.

    That's the impression I have of him. I have no idea if it corresponds to reality or not, but I suspect it's pretty close.

    Peacenik leftwing fanatics. Jeezus. What's  the world coming to?

    Hire this guy.

    Re: Hire this guy. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:26:49 PM EST
    Christ, he probably doesn't have time to lie. Besides, lyin' would be too much work - having to remember what he said all the time. ;-)

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    He's the real deal (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:59:22 PM EST
    He's the real deal (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:06:22 PM EST
    yeah, but... (none / 0) (#3)
    by ekenzie on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:42:23 PM EST
    I agree that the Dems need to stand on their own two feet instead of trying to woo the repub base to be successful. I had been thinking that Obama fit the former model rather than the latter, but I might have been mistaken. I'll have to pay more attention to exactly what Obama says in the next few weeks.

    Sure, Tester won and Ford didn't. But I'm not sure those two races in the end were decided strictly on the approaches of the dem candidate. If Burns hadn't been so chummy with Abramoff would we even be talking about Tester? Is the Montana electorate really a good model for the entire country? I'm not convinced.

    I'd be the last person to suggest the dems pander to religious conservatives just for the sake of winning elections, but the strategy has certainly worked before. And couldn't dems articulate their liberal values in a way that demonstrates "hey, we can be good Christians too?" I doubt the Tester/Obama approaches need be so opposite.

    I agree that dems need to stand on clearly articulated liberal values in 08. But even if you agree that the "Tester approach" is necessary, who would you suggest to run on the democratic ticket? Is it, to a certain extent, an oxymoron to have a presidential candidate that is simultaneously powerful and rich enough to have the white house within reach while also holding onto his/her down-home help-your-neighbor liberalism? I don't doubt it could happen in the future, but 2008 is now.

    If not Obama, who?

    I like Obama following (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:54:25 PM EST
    the Tester Model.

    What do you think of that?

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    If Obama followed the Tester model, (none / 0) (#15)
    by ekenzie on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:01:40 PM EST
    I think I'd be in love.

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    He seems fine on the following issues also: (none / 0) (#4)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:47:56 PM EST
    Crime
    Jon Tester supports giving law enforcement the resources they need to reduce crime and supports tough penalties for people who manufacture or sell drugs. Meth, in particular, is a critical issue facing Montana families. Tester voted for legislation that increases funding for drug task forces and establishes some of the toughest laws in the country to shut down meth labs.

    Immigration
    Our first priority must be to secure ports and borders to keep out terror threats, illegal drugs and illegal immigrants. Jon Tester opposes amnesty for those who are here illegally. People who want to come to America should follow the rules -- and we should enforce them. There should be no cuts in line. Moreover, hiring illegal aliens is no joking matter. Tester believes we need to enforce the law on employers who hire illegal immigrants no matter who they are. It's not just a matter of fairness -- it's a question of national security.

    Gun Rights
    Jon Tester strongly believes in our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner and custom butcher Jon made his living with a gun for 25 years. As a legislator Tester voted repeatedly to protect gun rights. In the United States Senate, Jon will stand up to anyone -- Republican or Democrat -- who wants to take away Montanans' gun rights.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:48:41 PM EST
    Tester is not shy about being a Democrat.

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    Sorry to be off topic (none / 0) (#5)
    by hellskitchen on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:20:59 PM EST
    but am watching "conservative" pundits rewrite the playbook of the past six years.  Absolutely hilarious!

    Scarborough picking up on Limbaugh's "carrying water" for the unworthy Republicans, betrayers of Reagan.  

    They don't realize they're admitting that they were front men and shills for the Republicans.

    Bwa ha ha!

    See my latest on GOP spin (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:46:16 PM EST
    and the opportunity it presents imo.

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    Unless you deal with what Obama actually says (none / 0) (#6)
    by archpundit on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:34:51 PM EST
    He isn't saying to go after conservative white evangelicals.  He is saying that Democrats should be open to describing their values in terms of faith when it is relevant and not shying away from talking to evangelicals who are not conservative.

    The basic problem is you don't understand the term evangelist other than a stereotype of white conservative Christians.  A tremendous number of African-Americans are evangelical as well and they vote overwhelmingly Democratic.  And there are moderate and even liberal evangelicals such as Jimmy Carter who by reaching out to them in their language and at their reference points one can reach them.

    Did you check the exit polls about who Democrats did better with during this election?

    Evangelicals.  Not fundamentalists, but evangelicals.  

    Ford's view of faith isn't Obama's and if you read the speech for more than trying to pick it apart that would be abundantly clear.

    For whatever reason you don't like Obama, misrepresenting what he is saying or simply not understanding the terminology he uses doesn't excuse you deciding you know better than the words he writes.  

    We need no repeat our disagreement on this (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:45:12 PM EST
    I think you are clearly wrong and rationalizing ad you think the same of me.

    What IS clear is that the Tester style is an utter repudiation of what Obama is saying and the Tester Model is, imo, the future of the Democratic Party.

    You favor the Obama Model, however you want to characterize it.

    We'll be battling on this through the end of the decade I imagine.

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    Again with the assertions (none / 0) (#17)
    by archpundit on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:09:40 PM EST
    There is nothing clear. You throw up something and claim it is true without demonstrating it as such.  You've created a fiction about what Obama is talking about and claiming it is some sort of model that he never advocates.  

    Your definition of the Obama model doesn't fit anything Obama has ever done or said. Comparing him to Harold Ford is very strange given Obama didn't follow such a strategy in any election he has ever run nor has he suggested others do it.  If you want to know who he has modeled his career on look to Paul Simon.  

    The speech doesn't suggest on should appeal to conservative fundamentalist Christians--a group you have confused with evangelicals.  Evangelicals are often conservative, but certainly not always conservative.  There are moderate evangelicals and there are liberal evangelicals as I said above.  A fairly large portion of the African-American communtiy are evangelicals.  

    What he's arguing, in a roomful of liberal evangelicals is that instead of accepting the 'frame' of conservative fundamentalists like Reed, Robertson, Falwell, and Dodson, reframe the debate to be about values Democrats hold that are just as relevant as The Gay or abortion.  

    He explicitly says it in the section you quote

    when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome - others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.

    Look at the exits this time--white evangelicals voted for Democrats at almost 15% more than in 2000-2004.  That wasn't because Democratic candidates jumped out and said we're conservative Christians too. It's because Democrats addressed the issues that matter to them like the environment, corruption, and the war.

    All Obama is saying is that we shouldn't cede a debate on religion to conservative fundamentalists since they don't represent most religous people.  

    You want the fighting Democrat, well here's another arena to fight Republicans in.  

    Somehow identifying all Christians or even all evangelicals as the other side and not to be courted doesn't make any sense given there are significant groups of relgious voters who vote Democratic including African Americans and Jews--both at about 90 percent.  

    What's perhaps ironic about your complaint is that Obama is doing what Lincoln did. Instead of arguing on the terms set by Falwell, Dodson, Robertson, and Reed, he argues that many evangelicals should find a natural home in the Democratic Party that values equality and justice.

    You've confused unifying rhetoric of the One America idea with the very real challenge he puts to Republicans laying claim to evangelicals by creating a different debate with evangelicals about poverty, the environment, and war.  

    He's not talking about fundamentalists who are never going to accept what he is saying, he's talking about a people who are persuadable using our policies that already fit their values.  

    In the end, by equating evangelicals and fundamentalists you are making his point about how Democrats miss the boat with such voters.  Calling a typical evangelical a fundamentalist is an insult.  Furthermore, there is nothing he's saying that Howard Dean hasn't said.

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    As I said (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:59:41 AM EST
    our disagreements are clear.  My prevous writings on Obama are clear.

    You never address the language or argument I make and have made.

    Discussion between us seems pointless.

    You want to spin what Obama said to not be chastising Democrats when I thik it obviously does. But even id it did not, which is not true, it is a MODEL that Harold Ford very much followed and for you to deny it seems to give away the game.

    Indeed, I think you are insulting Ford, who did not attack Dems, wherein Obama did.

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    Keep it simple, BTD (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:42:41 PM EST
    The point you're trying to make in comparing and contrasting Ford and Tester can be summarized in a lot fewer words, viz.:

    Tester won because he started from principle - he took his views, presented them, and said will you vote for me.
    Ford lost because he started from the point of trying to make people like him, and crafting his positions to match the demographics/preferences of those he wanted to reach.

    The rest of this comment is all expostulation on the 2 prior paragraphs.

    Voters want to do things other than spend every day on politics - they have kids, jobs and all that.  They want to know that, if they vote for X, he (or she) will pretty much keep going in the same direction as they were pointed and they won't sell out the people who put them there.  That's why they responded to Tester - they knew where he'd go if they turned away for a bit to watch their kids grow up.

    Said another way - the Ford model would figure out which hairstyle was popular, then cut his to meet the marketing survey.  The Tester model would have some level of confidence in his inherent worth and likability, and then everyone would note the cool crewcut.

    We can see the same thing at work in Bushie's history.  He came at the electorate from a start point of principle. (Or at least, that's what he sold.)  And, FWIW, Bushie got props (at least until today) even from the left wing for deciding what his principles were and sticking to them (obstinately).

    To effectively campaign (or live)from a base of principle, one has to be genuine.  (As Frank Zappa put it:  "You are what you is".)  Tester could no more be a northeastern preppie than Bushie's a rancher.

    That's where Bushie's coming apart - he presented an appearance of coming from principle and of being genuine, but eventually the facade broke up under the stress and examination of years and millions of eyes, revealing he was more a confection of conceits devised, carefully, to appeal to a certain group.  He always was a puppet of others - his advisors, his base ("the haves and the have-mores"), and Deadeye.

    When the facade broke up, you get to hear Rush Limbaugh talking about how he's glad he doesn't have to carry water anymore for people who he doesn't feel deserve to have their water carried for them.  Like he did today.

    The same idea explains why, if she runs, Hillary will lose (and why Bush I lost re-election).  Not because she's not smart or a good politician, or a good campaigner.  But because she does not come from a central principle.  Rather, she triangulates and connives how to assemble coalitions and push or thwart this policy or the other, and all the other machinations which make up a DLC member.  14 point policy programs, all the rest.  Bush I had the same defect - he promised "read my lips, no new taxes", then discarded that (albeit for a "good" reason, but he didn't stand and fight on principle and was castigated by his own for that).

    Got it?

    Recruit genuine people who understand the Constitution and how our society works and whose policy principles comport with the party's.

    Teach them how to present clearly, without trying to change their inherent personality.

    Let them be themselves.

    I consider the below the fold (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:47:46 PM EST
    substantiation of my thesis above the fold.

    I like to show my work.

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    "all hat, no cattle" (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 01:35:30 AM EST
    That's where Bushie's coming apart - he presented an appearance of coming from principle and of being genuine, but eventually the facade broke up under the stress and examination of years and millions of eyes, revealing he was more a confection of conceits devised, carefully, to appeal to a certain group

    With no substance of his own, Bush was head cheerleader in prep school. In Texan terms he's "all hat, no cattle".

    Jon Tester may be the most significant politician to emerge from this election. I think he can and does represent a new breed of Democrat - authentic, comfortable with his identity, proud to be a Democrat, not afraid to fight and yes - from the West.

    Tester, in contrast, grew up on his father's farm. working land that his grandfather homesteaded. He wears out hats keeping the sun out of his eye while working in big sky country, and his cowboy boots are scuffed from honest work.

    One's a poseur, the other the real deal.

    And Obama? Like Hillary he... " triangulates and connives how to assemble coalitions and push or thwart this policy or the other, and all the other machinations which make up a DLC member."

    Huge talent and probably has a good heart but is still inventing himself. So his focus has to be... on himself.

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    I just can't trust Obama's character. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Pneumatikon on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:04:41 PM EST
    I don't think he's got the bite to take on the wack jobs. Yeah, he uses the right codewords so lots of liberals love him. And he is, after all, quite a surprising winner. But I've had enough of his kind of sweet talk. It's time to go to war and keep fighting until we've saved the middle class.

    My heroes: Steve Jobs, Howard Dean, and George Soros. Feeeeeel the backbone.

    Scribe (none / 0) (#18)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:41:18 PM EST
    No matter how things pan out, that was well written and an excellent point. I think there is a public awareness of that dynamic, even though it is not acknowledged. As you said, it worked for Bush, until the facade broke down, or the people saw that he had no clothes, or however we put it. Another triumph of the internet, IMHO.

    well written and an excellent point (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 01:47:26 AM EST
    Yeah, Scribes the real deal too, like Big Tent, and like Tester.

    Jeeze, lot of strokin' going on around here today. Sometimes thats needed, too.

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    He's the Real Dealio! (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peaches on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:23:47 AM EST
    Organic Farmer!

    'nuff said!

    Obama (none / 0) (#23)
    by glanton on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 12:19:22 PM EST
    Doesn't have to be Tester's whipping boy, BTD.  And I say this as someone who has read, and appreciated, your ruminations on Obama over the past couple months.  I have myself viewed Obama as too much of a panderer since he burst onto the scene.  But that being said, I still like the guy more than a lot of politicos: he certainly has made clear that his view of first class citizenship encapsulates all religious or nonreligious viewpoints, all sexual orientations, etc.  Neither as Legislator nor as a Pres candidate do we ever have to fear Obama originating discriminatory legislation, in my humble view.

    As for Tester, why cannot we appreciate the guy on his own terms, and be glad he won, without beating up on other, different Democrats?  One lesson I took from this election is something Peaches and sarcasmo and others have been preaching for some time (and which I, to my eternal shame, have resisted on numerous occasions), which is that idealogues can healthily contribute to, but cannot control a succcessful national party in this country.  There must be breadth that includes various views even on sacred issues like abortion rights and gay rights and gun rights, and I think that between Obama and Tester you see the kind of breadth that the Dem Party makes possible.  I am confident that, even at the furthest Right end of the Democratic spectrum, you will not see civil liberties legislation, and this is why I still vote Democrat, and proudly voted Tuesday, even though I had previously thought I would abstain.  Aint learning, and growing, great?

    Oops, (none / 0) (#24)
    by glanton on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 12:20:56 PM EST
    I meant you will not see "anti civil liberties legislation" come out of the Dem Party!  A big difference!

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    I hate to think of it as a whipping (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 01:12:03 PM EST
    I think of it as a disagreemnt on political strategy.

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    We're all still learning (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peaches on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 12:33:28 PM EST
    Hey Glanton, Thats cool! We did have our spats, but I always had hope (and respect) for you. I'm sure we may have some more spats in the future, but I'm glad you voted democrat this week, even though I agree with much of Ralph Nadar's post election analysis.

    Thanks, Peaches (none / 0) (#27)
    by glanton on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 01:15:58 PM EST
    I always assumed respect between us, and the same for sarcastic unnamed one.  

    On a related note, one branch of these election results gave me particular pause.  The South Dakota people did something amazing in shooting down the draconian anti-abortion measure, and it made me feel very badly for some of the things I had written and thought about those citizens, and about abortion moderates in general.  The majority there may well favor abortion restrictions, but they're not extremists who don ot care about women's rights, and they were heard loud and clear on Tuesday, even if they're not getting the coverage they deserve.  

    Such people represent a voting block with which the Dems may be learning to resonate. I tip my cap to the people of that state and beg forgiveness for caricaturing them out of petty anger.