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JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John Karr?

I suspect this is the John Karr arrested in Thailand for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

Here's his bio which he posted on a website looking for a job:

• Marital Status: Single • Desired Teaching Level: Children
• Desired Pay Per Month: Not Specified
• Degree: Bachelor of Science at Regents College in New York
· Education
- Bachelor of Science at Regents College in New York
· Experience
- Seoul, Korea: I was a classroom teacher of English for children aged 6 to 12. Duties included planning lessons, conducting classes as the sole teacher in the classroom, making assignments, and issuing grades. I taught 22 classes per week. The classes were 45 minutes in duration with an average class size of 18.

- Heemstede, Netherlands: I volunteered as an English teacher at an atheneum school, planning and conducting activities revolving around English and the U.S. culture.

- Primary School Teacher (1996-2001 and Currently)
in some of the most prestigious schools in the United States, working with children from high profile families. I have taught all classes to elementary students including English, Math, Science, Reading, Social Studies, History, and Computer Technology. I have taught Physical Education with large groups of 100 to 150 students, ages 5 to 10. I have worked with large groups of children in school plays.

- Private English, Reading and Math Tutor (1996- 2001) for elementary students ages 8 to 12 on a private basis for an hourly rate.
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    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#1)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:24:55 PM EST
    Did I miss something? I thought his name was John Karr (with a "K"). And there is some discussion that this might be his resume.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#2)
    by Liberal Heart on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:25:11 PM EST
    His name is Karr, not Carr.

    It's the same resume, I just misspelled his name, it's fixed now. It's John Karr.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#4)
    by Liberal Heart on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:53:43 PM EST
    Do you think anything on his resume is real?

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#5)
    by LibraryLady on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:58:35 PM EST
    What a vague, ambiguous resume. It says so little. No real schools, just places. I find this so suspicious; I cannot imagine hiring him! Ms. Merritt, I don't get MSNBC or Court TV but I really wish I could see some of your appearances in the next few days. I guess it will have to be FOX! I hope we have a solid case here and the people who have blamed the Ramseys will be silenced.

    Yup, he's guilty, no need for a trial, why don't we execute him right now.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#7)
    by Aaron on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:45:34 AM EST
    Thai Police Chief Says Suspect Karr Has Admitted To Killing [At the press conference, Suwat said that Karr insisted after his arrest that his crime was not first-degree murder. "He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child. She was a pageant queen," Suwat said.] [Karr has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, police said.] [Laura Karr said her ex-husband spent a lot of time reading up on the cases of Ramsey and Petaluma resident, Polly Klaas, who was abducted and slain in 1993. Laura Karr said she does not believe her former husband was involved in JonBenet's killing and said she was with him in Alabama at the time of the homicide.] [Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held in the JonBenet case. Risse said Karr, 41, was charged with five misdemeanor counts of possession of child pornography. He failed to show up for a Sonoma County court appearance in December 2001 and a warrant was issued for his arrest, Risse said. Karr's trial had been scheduled for Jan. 14, 2002. The child pornography charges carry a $1,000 fine and/or a year in the county jail.] [A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The CU spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.] [DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not immediately known Wednesday whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr.] Supposing that he is guilty, and that the Thai police didn't torture him into confessing, this résumé and the fact that he was a teacher who's spent time around numerous children is extremely frightening. The parent of every child that have ever been exposed to this guy should have some concern. Usually when pedophiles turned to murder, there in the final stages of what some would describe as their disease. I'm not willing to let them off that easy. At some point they decide to start eliminating the victims of their molestations and rapes if there is any chance that they may be exposed and made to answer for their crimes, in some cases. In others they begin killing children in order to heighten their sexual experiences. I'm no great fan of the death penalty, but I've known a number of sexually abused women and girls in my life, far too many it seems, who were raped and molested as children, and I've had a chance to see firsthand the lifelong effects which cripple their ability to have relationships and develop trust. Women who have been permanently damaged in ways that you can't see at a glance, but ways that are as devastating as if they had lost the use of their legs, hands or eyes. Some women and men find ways to come to grips with such abuse, but many more are just never able to overcome the damage done. If he turns out to be guilty of the sexual abuse and the murder of children, I would have no qualms about seeing him executed. Not for the sake of revenge or justice, but for the safety of children throughout the world. I realize that oftentimes these individuals have been the victims of sexual assault themselves as children, but I think the practical necessity of removing an imminent danger to children everywhere outweighs such an individual's right to survive. The chain which perpetuates this type of thing must be broken, cut off with extreme prejudice, if we are ever to have any hope of getting a handle on this all to pervasive problem.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#8)
    by Aaron on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 05:00:59 AM EST
    Warning: Tirade Alert (I'll try to avoid threatening anyone, but I'm not making any promises.) It freaks me out, thinking about all the little girls this dirt dog probably had sex with in Southeast Asia, and perhaps killed some of them. No doubt if you pay enough money they'll let you kill one. Life is cheap in this world, especially cheap when your a child, no matter where you live it seems. Protect children from adults, it's a fact, adults have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted with children, any children. Perhaps this is the reason that I refuse to grow up, I never want to be one of you. :( You guys do bad things, and kids always wind up paying the price, wherever they happen to be, Colorado, Iraq, Myanmar, Serbia, Afghanistan, India etc. etc. etc. We always get screwed worse than anyone, and you guys always get away with one of those adult excuses like geopolitical conflict, economic repression, we weren't watching, Please! One day you're going to pay for your crimes, all of you. Power to the kids! Down with grown-ups! But you can't really call them grown ups, better to say grown-downs. You suckers are going down, it's just a matter of time. Boys and Girls rule! Men and Women are old news, the dead generation, scrape them off and move on with your lives kids. They're just dragging you down anyway. Face it, you never really could count on them for much anyway, whenever their own sh-t got in the way, all that crap they told you about you coming first, what a bunch of nonsense, absolute Bull. But I suppose their stupid parents said that same stupid crap to them, so they just passed it on, like a some pathetic legacy. The kids are on to you now, and we've got nice little nursing homes all picked out for you, and when you're finally gone we won't shed a tear. We'll throw party. Free at last free at last thank God Almighty free at last! Adults suck! Boo! Boo! Boo!

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#9)
    by LibraryLady on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 07:13:35 AM EST
    Here is another Interent resume, even creepier than the first: http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html When I ran a business I was always suspicious of someone with too many jobs. This guy would send an employer flashing red lights!

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#10)
    by Peaches on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 08:26:23 AM EST
    Aaron, I feel sorry for you. Bad things happen in the world. Some adults do things that realy are not explainable. But as for your Tirade about adults (Adults suck! Boo! Boo! Boo!) and your wish to never grow up (Perhaps this is the reason that I refuse to grow up, I never want to be one of you.:(), the strange thing is that John Karr and most other pedophiles probably share your sentiments. Believe it or not, the thought of you growing up scare me. And if your already grown up, I'm even more terrified.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 08:52:38 AM EST
    How many children have died as the result of overt abuse and, or, neglect (more difficult to define), in the last ten years in the U.S? For now we'll leave off discussing collateral casualties ("No Live Child Left Behind")inflicted, as that might take us too far afield.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:00:58 AM EST
    Right now, I'll admit that I can relate somewhat to Aarons James Barry sentiments. Especially when I consider that what we have in the U.S isnt a nation "run" by adults, but all-too-often run by overgrown adolescents trying to live out adolescent fantasies.

    Adults cause all the problems in the world becasue they have the responsibility of running it. The problem is that people make good and bad decisions. Some people are more responsible than others, some are more selfish. Some are good, some are evil, ect. Kids can definitely be cruel too.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:15:15 AM EST
    Lord of the Flies in expensive suits. A model any predator could look up to.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#15)
    by Peaches on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:38:49 AM EST
    Jondee, I empathize with your assessment of the adults running our country, but I could not disagree more with the belief that we should remain in childhood, because boys and girls rule. This worship of childhood innocence is at root of much of the perversity in American culture and it neglects the responsibility that we as adults share in making our country better. Steve Perry wote in 1997
    Much has already been written about the sexualization of JonBenet Ramsey and all the other girls in the thousands of little-miss pageants across the country. We would do well not to ignore its obverse, which is the fetishizing of children's innocence--particularly that of girl children--as a means of sustaining the culture's perverse faith in its own unspoiled nature. The cult of innocence is the root of our claim to be a child-loving society, and one of the most salient measures of our child-loathing. The promise of JonBenet on the runway, playing grown-up fantasy object, is the promise of all things desirable, had without responsibility or consequence at the expense of a child: a promise not of her innocence but the onlooker's. This is obscene. But it's hardly more obscene than a quarter of the nation's children living in poverty, or the willful addition of a few million more by the Clinton/Gingrich welfare overhaul, all so that an increasingly well-off minority can enjoy the good life, without responsibility or consequence, at the expense of other people's children. America's contempt for its young is one of the first things to strike visitors from other countries, and one would expect no more or less from a nation that worships so devoutly at the altar of the market--by whose lights children can only be seen as a cash drain and a miserable investment, the payoff taking as long as it typically does. Amid all the crocodile tears being shed over JonBenet Ramsey, we can say that she at least paid off handsomely in use-value during her short life.


    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:22:22 AM EST
    Peaches - All I meant was that I can empathize with Aaron's reaction. That dosnt mean I literally buy into "boys and girls rule." Whatever that means to Aaron. Obviously, all-too-often the hypocritical mouthers of platitudes about "the culture of life" and "no child left behind" , or Support the Trouts, Tropes etc believe deep down what the Coen bros said at the beginning of Blood Simple: "down here in Texas yer on yer own (children included)" Predators are acting out a slightly more twisted version of the same power-over/power-under model that "we" have made part of our collective folklore. Nobility does exist and innocence does exist, but there's no noble savage or golden child. It's all of us or none of us. Semi-coherent rant over.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#17)
    by Peaches on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:51:10 AM EST
    Jondee, I understand the wish to connect the anger at pedophiles with the anger we feel towards the policies of our leaders. however, I don't think there is much of a connection unless we wish to look closer at ourselves. We, afterall, elect our leaders and are a part of culture. I am bothered by what happened to Joan Benoit Ramsey. I am also bothered by the rush to accuse the Ramseys as the murderers. However, I don't hold any special place in my heart for parents who would raise a young girl to participate in Beauty pageants. I am also ashamed of a culture where child beauty pageants can be money makers and attract adults as an audience and media coverage. This sickens me almost as much as the individual crime - as horrendous as the crime was.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:01:21 AM EST
    Peaches - What can you say? Somedays the whole thing looks like one big carny freak show or Satyricon.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sumner on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 12:17:40 PM EST
    Don't you know that if a member of your immediate family were to commit a heinous act, you would be sickened that much more by the act? Or that to a pedophile, what happened to JonBenet sickens that much more, never mind just for the fact that reactionaries tend to punish the group or class, not just the individual? Or for that matter, when one's own county commits atrocities, that it sickens one that much more?

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sumner on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 12:18:25 PM EST
    Don't you know that if a member of your immediate family were to commit a heinous act, you would be sickened that much more by the act? Or that to a pedophile, what happened to JonBenet sickens that much more, never mind just for the fact that reactionaries tend to punish the group or class, not just the individual? Or for that matter, when one's own country commits atrocities, that it sickens one that much more?

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#21)
    by Aaron on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 06:55:39 PM EST
    Peaches and whom it may concern You guys wanna be careful about taking me to literally at times, especially when I give you a warning at the beginning of my comment that says "tirade alert." when you see such a warning, it means I'm going to speak in broad sweeping terms and condemnations, and you might have to look a little deeper to get what I'm trying to convey. Of course I'm not a child, but well I remember my feelings as a young person, my feelings of being discriminated against, being treated as some kind of lesser human being simply because I was a kid, not so much by my parents, but by all the people in the world around me. I still remember those thoughts and feelings, because I promised myself that when I became an adult I would never forget. I imagine many children feel this way, but those thoughts and feelings are perhaps lost in the confusing rush we all experience at the onset of puberty and adulthood. What I was attempting to do is put myself in the place of children observing the world around them, and the horrific price children constantly pay at the hands of adults. Adults who continuously and sanctimoniously go on about the "importance of family" (code words for the importance of the family unit, placed ahead of all things, especially the well-being of children in societies throughout the world). I'm sorry if this led some to interpret my position as being the equivalent of that of an alleged murdering pedophile, perhaps that's your own guilt scratching at you, I don't know, but my words were intended to disturb, so in that vein maybe you picked up on something others missed. What I do know is that from the time I was a child of five up to this very point in my life, I've seen very little progress by humanity (the adult world), frighteningly little , not only in the treatment of our children, but in the way we treat each other and operate in society. When we go to war, or deal out economic strife as a political tool, can anyone here deny that it is always the children of the world who suffer the most? They suffer the most because the strong, first the men, next the women, take what they need to survive and only give what's left over to children. Of course some parents do genuinely put their children first, but I suspect such people are actually very few and far between, in the final analysis. Anyone think kids don't see this? Anyone think it doesn't impact than? Even the Ramseys, who apparently doted on their daughter, ultimately allowed her to be murdered. They had the time and wherewithal to create a career for her, but ultimately failed in their most important responsibility, to protect her. I will except no excuse for this because there isn't any. Their behavior is indicative of many well-to-do parents in our society who see their offspring is some kind of toys or vessels for them to live out their own aspirations. I see the actions of the Ramseys as little different than the Malaysian family who sells one of their daughters in order to make their lives better. The Ramseys seemingly used their child as some kind of enrichment tool for their own lives, and when JonBenet needed them most, they were not there to protect her. Of course I'm speculating on some of these points, but I'm speculating using the experiences I've had throughout my life. I don't idealized children, but I definitely don't see them as less valid or worthy human beings than myself. I do not believe that most adults can make such a statement, not if they bother to look a little deeper at their own attitudes. How often do young children speak to adults about the things which trouble them, and the adults being addressed, oftentimes the ones closest to them, treat them with slight regard, sometimes not even bothering to listen to the words they're saying, even when those words speak of horrific abuses like rape and murder. Far too often these supposed grown-ups in the grown-up world look down on children, whether they're willing to admit it or not, and toss aside their words as if they were meaningless. Perhaps if this were not the case, the lives and futures of millions of children throughout the world could be saved. To me it actually seems like most people in the world haven't grown up, mostly they just do a good job of pretending and approximating what adults should be, while serving their own selfish needs, oftentimes with far more disregard for the well-being of those around him then children ever do. So the underlying message I'm trying to convey is, that it's time for humanity to truly grow up, stop acting like adults and start become adults. It's time we began genuinely protecting our children (the weak) the way we so often like to tout in our philosophies and religions, which far too often are little more than ideals that we adults don't even attempt to live up to. Until we start living up to our high ideals, our children will always be the ones doing the most suffering, and paying the ultimate price for what some might describe as childishness, better I think to describe it as a the ultimate in hypocrisy. If we really want successive generations to be better people, and have better lives, then it's high time we started at least trying to cast aside the failings that our parents generation passed on to us. The first step down this road is recognizing that we have a problem. It's the only way were going to make any kind of social progress as a species. I apologize if I've offended anyone, perhaps the nursing home comment was over the line :), but as I stated in an earlier comment these type of things disturb me deeply, and I have no problem conveying the depth of that disturbance. Peace.

    Re: JonBenet Ramsey Murder: Is This the Same John (none / 0) (#22)
    by Peaches on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 07:28:21 AM EST
    Aaron,
    So the underlying message I'm trying to convey is, that it's time for humanity to truly grow up, stop acting like adults and start become adults. It's time we began genuinely protecting our children (the weak) the way we so often like to tout in our philosophies and religions, which far too often are little more than ideals that we adults don't even attempt to live up to.
    Amen! You are absolutely right. I understand your the depth of your feelings, because I share them. But, you must remember, that tirades are not the actions of responsible mature adults. Tirades, as most adults know, are traits exhibited by the childre we love and we try and create positive examples and tenderly correct these behaviors. Otherwise, our children never will grow up.

    It's definitely him! The only question I have is if he actually killed her or wishes he killed her. He may have some sort of crush on her and want a connection to her. Through saying he killed her, he made a connection with her. I wrote more in my blog.