One wonders why Simeon would advise the family to stop making public statements.

"It's created problems," Simeon said. "They have been inadvertently hurting their daughter.

IMHO,

Do you think you have a exclusive right to snark and irony?

Should I address this question to inm*h*mbl**p*n**n?

Speaking of the Blue Wall of Silence, Nifong has stated that he doesn't expect any more indictments in the case. Now, tell me, unless one of the other players has something to hide, what on earth would now prevent each and every other party member from coming forward and telling their individual stories of what happened at the party? This could help provide that "exculpatory evidence" that the defense wants Nifong to attend to, couldn't it? Why wait any longer?

Last month, Gary traveled to the Triangle and spoke with the accuser's mother, but he has had no further contact with the family since then, said Kori Love, director of public relations for Gary's Stuart, Fla., firm.

Suddenly, a man with long dreadlocks holding a rifle appeared from the side of the apartment. Jackson watched as Nesmith was shot in the back as he tried to run away. Following the shooting, Jackson was unable to identify Nesmith's assailant in a photo line-up, but did identify defendant as the shooter at trial. LaToya Ray ("Toya"), another person in Margo's home that evening, also identified defendant as the man who shot Nesmith. Finally, Investigator W. C. Pitt ("Investigator Pitt"), of the Durham Police Department, testified that Toya had identified defendant as one of the men at her home on 6 July 1999. Investigator Pitt further testified that he had never seen defendant with dreadlocks.

Q. Were you standing guard or on watch on his Cadillac in connection with the business you just referred to? A. The business we was doing, we was smoking a blunt. That's what we was doing. That was the business that we was doing. I thought that it would incriminate me. That's the reason why I didn't answer my business yesterday. That's the business that we was doing.

What would be so bad about saying that, if that's how it happened? Maybe you'd have to admit to chugging a few beers, and not being quite a charming choir boy, but how could that seriously hurt either you or those indicted?

I'm beginning to agree with Cheshire and IMHO that the father's been a "tool" or "victim" of the daughter's yarn-spinning.

Lying to her father about the first rape then puts all of her communications with her father (and her veracity in general) into question.

Honestly, I don't know how other people feel, but a girl lying to her father, saying she wasn't involved in any sexual act, consenting or non-consenting, doesn't really damage her credibility in my book. How many girls or women do you know who are generally honest people and would be honest about reporting a crime, would tell their father if they had sex? There are probably some little girls' daddies out there who somehow think that their grandchildren arrived by stork!

My understanding is the DNA found on the vaginal swab was from epithelial cells with the boyfriend's DNA. That's skin cells.

In looking into Simeon's background I found he was attorney for a defendant in a case that suggests the alleged problems with the AV's identification may not prevent a conviction at trial.

Loflin called the larceny charge "entirely frivolous." He said it was "striking and surprising" that two principal investigators in the lacrosse case served the warrant instead of the usual lone uniformed officer.

He was held for five hours for questioning -- reportedly not about shoplifting, but about the Duke rape charges.

Because there was a warrant for her arrest, Roberts told police she picked up the woman on the road, in a crowd of men yelling racial slurs. Police did not ask her name, and Roberts went home. A week later, Roberts' escort agency told her police wanted to talk to her about a possible rape. After she gave a statement, police arrested her for the probation violation.

Once it comes to their attention, I think they have to arrest or be accused of favoritism.

Hmmm....I think this guise of avoiding favortism has a fake moustache too.

In the future would your mind referring to it as a FM = false mustache?

ABC News' Law & Justice Unit was given exclusive details about the latest DNA report in the Duke lacrosse rape investigation and was shown and reviewed parts of the 10-page document.

According to the DNA report, tests specifically designed to look for semen found none on swabs of the alleged victim's mouth or genital areas

As for your professed dreadlock precendent.....cases where disguises used in a crime resulted in a conviction.

According to the DNA report, tests specifically designed to look for semen found none on swabs of the alleged victim's mouth or genital areas

I was just trying to get at the basis of your claims of favoritism in the bonding procedure with Kim. So far you haven't provided much. Like I said, I don't know much about bonding but I'm guessing that a judge granted the request for bond reduction.

The Nifong

And, yes, forensic testing can reveal traces of latex, lubricant and spermicide....if it is there in sufficient quantities. I don't even watch CSI, but you should, it might help.

The Nifong recomended the bond reduction to the judge, who would oppose it then? Her attorney?

4. Is it possible for a condom to be used, without physical evidence of condom use (traces of latex, etc) being left behind? A few experts I contacted didn't feel they knew enough to answer this question. Of the experts who answered this question, however, all agreed that condoms could be used and not necessarily detected. Elizabeth Johnson wrote, "Testing for these substances is not typically done, despite what you see on CSI. There has been some research done re spermicides on condoms, but none of this is done as part of a typical test and validated methods for casework aren't there yet." William Shields wrote "This question is better asked of a forensic chemist but I do know that such traces are often but not always left behind." And William Thompson flatly answered "yes."

Congrats, you just ensured the case won't be tried in Durham.

Perhaps Seligmann can thank Cheshire for referring to the accuser as the "false accuser" several times during Dan Evan's press conference. I don't think that was a wise move. People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

IMHO, there's somebody making obscenely worded, audible threats to the defendant in the courtroom, and you feel his defense attorney is to blame? Would that be legal malpractice? He should have known better than to get "those people" all riled up?

Kali, the experts questioned by this lady seemed unsure about any condom evidence in the DNA tests.

I used alleged victim as a neutral term. False accuser stakes out a position, but I don't think a defense attorney can be very far from that position.

As far as Cheshire using the term "false accuser" having any responsibility on a New Black Panther making obscene threats (I've just seen comments here, haven't seen a news story or any video), that's absolutely ludicrous.

Was the person removed from the court? Arrested? Acknowledged

Black Panther threatened Seliegeman in courtroom.Hey, have you seen PB lately?

Yes, the AV could sue Cheshire for calling her a false accuser. And he would love it.

I'm not sure whether he was a member or just a local angry guy.

IMHO, an indicted rapist? A rapist who is indicted?

I am reminded of the woman who identified herself as a community leader who kept interrupting Cheshire earlier this week.

Victoria Peterson, a community activist, asked Joseph B. Cheshire V about racial slurs that lacrosse players reportedly hurled toward the accuser and another woman hired to dance at the party on March 13.

"If you put 46 African-American guys together in a volatile situation one of them may say a racial statement," Cheshire said without addressing her specific question. "If you put 46 Asians, one of them may say a racial statement. If you put 46 women, one of them may say something ugly about a man. That's just the way it is. This case is not about race.

chew2 can see the consequences of the New Black Panthers' threats. So who benefits? People who benefit from racism. That's what the NBPP is all about. That is their role, that is their function. Their function isn't to protect anyone. It's to divide. Think hard, everyone. Who benefits?

Kali, should we assume then that they didn't test for condoms? Would that have been in the report that the defense received on Friday? If it wasn't part of the test and if this case makes it far enough, don't you think the defense would have the samples tested for evidence of condoms?

"Twenty year old Reade Seligmann in court today with his lawyer Kirk Osborn watched as the DA laughed at what Osborn claim's is Seligmann's air tight alibi."

The second issue, is whether the State tested for it or was/is capable of testing for it. We don't know.

Bear in mind that The Nifong ordered the DNA tests, not the defense.

He's either got something, is an incurable optimist, or has gone stark raving mad.

Posted by inmyhumbleopinion May 18, 2006 02:45 PM Outside the Courthouse people shouting: "Justice will be served, rapist*." Inside the courtroom: A man sitting right behind Seligmann: "You're a dead man walking (swear word). I can't sit behind this (swear word)." *Perhaps Seligmann can thank Cheshire for referring to the accuser as the "false accuser" several times during Dan Evan's press conference. I don't think that was a wise move. People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

He turned over his entire case file today, so if there is something in there the defense has it.

Chew, I would think if they did test for it and no evidence was found that we would have heard.

People that believe in the lacrosse players already think she is a false accuser, people that believe in the accuser are going only going to be incited * and to people on the fence, I think it just makes Cheshire look like an ass.

you are deliberately attempting to deflect culpability from the individual who made a direct, violent threat onto an individual

But I'd still like to know whether such tests are even possible.

PB, the woman was hospitalized for mental illness last year. What's the speculation?

Adding to the confusion? Teresa, of all people?

His statement is right, though. I worked in probably the most integrated workplace in America. I've heard members of every group make racist, bigoted, homophobic and sexist remarks. It happens. Humans are very imperfect creatures. All humans.

Is this America? How did this happen in our country.

So Nifong has handed over everything? Medical exam results? Toxicology report? Initial testimony of the captains? Testimony of any cooperating witness? Is that what that means? What now for case followers? I imagine that the defense will leak out anything exculpatory and sit on anything incriminating. But now that he's provided a case file, will Nifong be more likely to leak his case or should we expect more (relative) quiet from the prosecution?

I bet the reason to not call the boys was that then the grand jury would have heard their side and might not have indicted. Poor excuse.

An expected discussion about discovery was made moot before the hearing when Nifong provided the defense with a copy of his entire case file. Nifong said the file included 1,278 pages of evidence, two VHS tapes and a compact disc containing photos.

"The state is not aware of any additional material or information which may be exculpatory in nature with respect to the defendant," Nifong wrote in a court filing.

Are you saying that only liberals support the accuser? TalkLeft is a liberal site by the way.

So are you saying some of the NBP's might be plants? Whenever they show up in this case it increases the support for the players and anger toward the accuser as far as I can see. Why would that be their point?

Well, Mister Liberal, how do you explain Bob Bennett's hand in this?

Didn't Abrams report that the list was of EXPERT witnesses?

Didn't Abrams report that the list was of EXPERT witnesses? No actual witnesses to the evening's events yet. He only has to release exculpatory evidence/witnesses and all medical scientific, toxicology reports, right JDs?

Orinco, yes I believe Chew2's statement to be untrue

Remember it was the boys who refused to talk to the police in the first place. If they were all innocent and had cooperated with the police, even with their lawyers present, there almost certainl;y wouldn't have been any indictments.

PB, Yes, you speculate about Evans having a mustache, I speculate on the kind of mental illness that the woman had (has?) that would require her to be hospitalized for a week.

In several posts people are referring to a website and saying it is run by Duke students. This is terribly wrong! That website is run by some morons who are pretending to be Duke students. I have been following this board religiously for the past few days. I am now beginning to think that perhaps, I am wasting my time. How in the world could anyone in their right minds think that that awful website is run by real Duke students? One needs to be real stupid or desperately biased against Duke to not see the sarcasm going on there.

I arrived here originally from talk left as, to your embarrassment and the embarrassment of your school, they have a link to here in their latest comments.

I was looking for something to redeem Duke, to prove to me the Lacrosse players were maybe decent human beings. I now have to believe the opinons of such as this girl a nyu student I think. I felt her many posts on Duke harsh but it looks likes this site proves me wrong. If you are what is available at Duke then it only goes to follow the Lacrosse team is as represented. Racist, misogynistic and pathetic as described.

Those other 42 refused to speak to the police, even with their lawyers present. If I'm wrong give me the evidence.

Don't forget, The Nifong is a Superstar!

omg, this is spreading - Catholic University GIRLS LAX team just had a party with male strippers & alcohol. My kids just send me texts. Statement from their AD on their site. Great timing.

I'll be back when there's something new.

Outside the Courthouse people shouting: "Justice will be served, rapist*."

*Perhaps Seligmann can thank Cheshire for referring to the accuser as the "false accuser" several times during Dan Evan's press conference.

Someone, please, give me an example of the ACLU, or any other guardian of our civil liberties, advocating even a potential suspect in a criminal case abandoning his constitutional rights? Since when did the exercise of any one of those rights become suspicious, criminal behavior?

What did he threaten him with? Justice? As far as calling him "Dead Man Walking" that's not a threat, it's a characterization.

Hmmm...funny how the internet hides how old friends used to call you Jo Jo when you were watch older women in the shower!!

Bob, Don't leave for long. Your liberal but moderate and decent voice is very much valued here.

Kali, I never watched your GF/FA in the shower.

Kerry Sutton (I forget who she represents) has said that she tried to contact The Nifong and he refused.

Ms. Sutton said Mr. Nifong, in meetings with lawyers, had cleared her client, Matt Zash, and the team captains Dan Flannery and Bret Thompson, and a few others.

Kerry Sutton, one of several lawyers representing the players, said she met with Nifong on Tuesday morning but declined to comment further.

Simeon has a relationship with prosecutor Nifong that may shed light on the D.A.'s handling of the case. Nifong was the protégé of Simeon's rival in the 2002 race for D.A. Simeon and Nifong did not get along, according to Simeon. But last year, Nifong's boss, Jim Hardin, was appointed to a judgeship, and Nifong was appointed to fill his place. Nifong's term is almost up, and in Durham, district attorney is an elected post. The voters go to the polls in one week, on May 2. One of Nifong's opponents is a lawyer named Freda Black, who was passed over for the D.A. job. Black is--or was, until the Duke case--better known around town than Nifong, largely because she won a conviction in a celebrated murder case. Nifong's other opponent is a lawyer with no prosecutorial experience named Keith Bishop. Nifong and Black are white; Bishop is African-American. Durham voters are about 40 percent black, so Nifong almost surely needs to win black votes to keep his job. Shortly after Nifong decided to run, he began reaching out to Simeon. He went to an NAACP banquet and crossed the room to extend his hand in peace to Simeon. On March 28--the day after Nifong first spoke out in the Duke case, publicly chastising the players for not coming forward to volunteer information about the alleged rape--Simeon told Nifong he would support him. He invited Nifong to speak at his church, Ebenezer Missionary Baptist, and introduced him to the African-American congregation as a man who had always been a "good prosecutor," but who, Simeon said he had recently learned, was also a "good man." That was on April 9. A week later Simeon asked Nifong to go to court to relieve Kim of the obligation of paying the bail-bond fees, arguing that she was no longer a "flight risk." Nifong agreed, as did the judge. Simeon told NEWSWEEK he went before the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People, a very influential group, and urged them to vote for Nifong. Simeon says he has also been giving Nifong fashion advice, telling him to lose the plaid shirts and to start wearing black suits, light shirts and power ties. Women like power, Simeon says he told Nifong.

Nifong was routinely on front pages and television newscasts in the weeks before the election, memorably appearing at NCCU. He also had some help reaching out to blacks. Mark Simeon, a local black lawyer who ran for district attorney in 2002, introduced Nifong at his church and other events.

I don't understand why you deliberately said "people" in your quote. All the news venue said it is the New Black Panther. Please don't "generalize" the New Black Panther in uniforms into "people."

In court Thursday, Osborn asked the judge if a defense expert can examine evidence from a cell phone that the alleged victim had the night of the incident. Osborn said the phone was found outside of the home used by some members of the lacrosse team and brought inside. Police later took the phone and it is currently in police custody. Nifong said prosecutors are not interested in the contents of the phone, such as the last 10 numbers called, but Osborn said that's information the defense should be allowed to see.

People? Man? We should take a stand against this biased reporting!

Posted by SharonInJax May 18, 2006 09:34 PM

But as the District Attorney of Durham County, North Carolina, for him to imply, suggest, wink-wink, that "if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear with coming forward" is an abominable distortion of the function of a prosecutor.

But Nifong decided, much too early on, whom he believed and whom he doubted. That is NOT his job. Not before a pre-indictment or arrest investigation had been completed.

But then Nifong should have let the investigators, the police, do their jobs. He rushed this case, for whatever reason. Reminder: he was NOT re-elected. Long time prosecutor, newbie politico. One more factor creating the perfect storm.

The sign said: "JAIL THE DURHAM WH*RE. DUKE LACROSSE POWER."

So I would think that you would be very unhappy with a district attorney suggesting than an individual's choice to take advantage of his fifth amendment rights would be out of bounds?

No one on this site has said that Nifong couldn't have subpoened all of the Duke 46 or any one of them he wanted in front of the grand jury, given limited immunity and forced them to speak without the fifth amendment. NIFONG chose not to. Blame HIM for the trouble society has in "determining the truth."

I think Seligman's attorney really believed that he could get Nifong to back down, if they showed, in public, what they had to show the limitations on when Seligman could have been involved.

I cannot think of a single good reasn for Nifong to blow off the defendants and their attorneys, unless he is afraid of what they would tell him.

Ms. Sutton said Mr. Nifong, in meetings with lawyers, had cleared her client, Matt Zash, and the team captains Dan Flannery and Bret Thompson, and a few others

Those other 42 refused to speak to the police, even with their lawyers present.

Yet the Black Panther could be identified by their uniforms, and the reporter should identify her source as much as she could.

He's either got something, is an incurable optimist, or has gone stark raving mad.

Sorry I am a horrible typist on this keyboard... Even = Error; Touch = Tough.

cpinva posted: mr. nifong has, indeed, entered a parallel universe, where kafka rules.

DE did it through Cheshire well before he was indicted. Kerry Sutton (I forget who she represents) has said that she tried to contact Nifong and he refused. The defense attorneys, who speak for the players (if you didn't realize this), have claimed that The Nifong has refused all their attempts to meet with him.

Interesting that in pointing out my error, you have proven what I intended to prove. That is the falsity of Chew 2's bald assertion:

Those other 42 refused to speak to the police, even with their lawyers present.

So while I am wrong about Kerry Sutton, I am ultimately right!! Thanks old friend.

Ms. Sutton said Mr. Nifong, in meetings with lawyers, had cleared her client, Matt Zash, and the team captains Dan Flannery and Bret Thompson, and a few others.

Looks like I was wrong about Kerry Sutton. I knew that one of the captains was in NYC for an interview, so maybe I'm mixing KS with another defense attorney.

semi-Jewish? Did you mean half-Jewish, that one parent is Jewish -- or that he is a semi-believer in Judiasm?

The AV ... has, to her credit, apparently denied the NBPP, has not to date met with a civil litigator. But her father can't get enough of Rita Cosby, and her mother is courting black plaintiff's attorneys.

If the boys are convicted then its a good possibility they'll be subject to a civil suit. I don't think that's unfair. How is it any different from sueing a drunk driver? But as some have pointed out its very unlikely their parents wealth can be touched.

but they're no doubting already spending a small fortune on attorney's fees and court costs.

Nifong worries me, big time. You who still believe in him, tell me why.

These are children of lawyers, the poor dears.

I heard Osborn waited outside Nifong's office. When Nifong declined to meet with him did Osborn leave the evidence for Nifong?

PB, but you'll be fumed if someone called the AV "Dead Woman walking." Would you also agree that it's just a "characterization"?

PB, it was a general "you." Not you you.

I reiterate my objection to not being allowed to use her first name, but if y'all want to dehumanize her, fine

This case crystallizes issues that every town, city, have.

As I've said before: I am the mother of a white, privileged in a lot of ways, athlete who will be attending an elitist university, playing a team sport. So I identify with the accused.

On March 24, in her only interview with a reporter, the accuser said she was notified about 8:30 p.m. the night of the party that she was supposed to appear at the Buchanan Boulevard house about 11 p.m.

In an interview earlier this week, her father said he saw his daughter a few times March 13. That afternoon, he said, she picked up her two children from elementary school. About 9:30 p.m., he said, she brought the children to their grandparents' house for the evening.

"She was fine," he said.

After their arrival, he and his daughter took a short car ride about 10 p.m. to a neighborhood convenience store at Cornwallis Road and South Roxboro Street. He bought a pack of cigarettes but said he did not recall what his daughter purchased.

When the two returned to his house, the woman said she had to go out and wouldn't return until 1:30 a.m. He said he does not know whether she left in her own car or someone picked her up. He said she did call him to say she safely reached her destination -- about 11:30 p.m., about the start of a late-night talk show he was watching.

Mark my words. Those poor beautiful boys, sacrificed for a prostitute pig.

As I've said before: I am the mother of a white, privileged in a lot of ways, athlete who will be attending an elitist university, playing a team sport. So I identify with the accused.

Just so it's on your notice.

Hey Or*n*c*, Now we know your name is either Larry or Carl The sign said: "JAIL THE DURHAM WH*RE. DUKE LACROSSE POWER."

So now we know your first name is Joseph.

Watch out! When azbbf made that mistake O*r*n*c* called him a liar!

The culture started to change in U.Va.'s program in the fall of 1998, when Starsia concluded that excessive alcohol use was hurting his team. He met with team leaders, including Radebaugh, then a senior, and they agreed on a policy.

Players would limit their drinking to one night a week during the regular season. They wouldn't drink at all during the NCAA tournament.

"People didn't think Virginia lacrosse was willing to make that commitment," Starsia recalled. "They thought that nothing was more important than partying at Virginia."

Not coincidentally, perhaps, U.Va. won the NCAA title in 1999 - Gill's freshman season - and added another championship in 2003.

"Looking back in retrospect, what we gave up wasn't a huge sacrifice," Gill said. "And the product of that - the championship - that lasts a lot longer than any party you would have missed."

Starsia said his players determine among themselves each year what their policy on alcohol consumption will be during the season. The captains inform him, he said, when they want to discipline a team member for violating that policy.

"You've got no chance on a college campus with students of enforcing the policy from outside," Starsia said.

Too bad the Duke Lacrosse captains didn't take this honor and responsibilty more seriously.

Why should their parents' wealth be available in any way for her "touching"?!

It's just 18 to 21 year old kids being stupid and having fun.

Before the age of 30, I think it's downright abnormal if you're not partying at least 2 nights a week.

"You've got no chance on a college campus with students of enforcing the policy from outside," Starsia said.

I think the coach had tried to get the team to cut down on the public drinking and carousing.

The civil suit will be brought by the boys and Duke Univ. Good luck for Nodong and FA.

This is what mmyy commented: Could anybody enlighten me why the last 10 phone numbers the AV called is not important? Supposedly one of the pictures showed her talking on her cellphone. Why would Nifong say such things? How could the last 10 phone numbers not important if Nifong wants a different timeline?

H of B, I've been out of college for a good while now--I remember the partying quite well, but I think hiring strippers is a new twist? Maybe the sports groupies aren't lining up for the team the way they did back at my alma mater.

Anyway when I first heard about this case, I thought "how reprehensible, why aren't the whole bunch of them being expelled?" but I gather they'd have to expel half the campus if they got rid of everybody who watched a stripper last semester.

Autre temps, etc.

Why would they call 2 places? That is weird.

Getting drunk as a 20 year old doesn't make someone a rapist anymore than being a stripper makes someone a liar. There may be a loose correlation between the two, but not so much that it should take a center stage role as highly probabtive evidence these defendants are guilty.

Strip shows are definitely much more accepted these days and part of the youth culture. Women these days think nothing of going to a strip club or being at a party with strippers performing. I have been to some wild parties at multi-million dollar beach house where strippers wereperforming in the window alcoves, while guest milled about drinking cocktails and champagne. Nothing new here...sex sells and has for thousands fo years

75% went out partying twice a week? Obviously we've had different life experiences. LOL. But since I seem to recall you said you attended Wake Forest(?) recently, yours are much more likely to be relevant to the current college scene (especially Duke) than mine.

Nifong says evidence isn't processed and the phone may belong to a third party, who has privacy expectations. Judge orders that the phone be examined in confidence to find out what's on it.

If they were supposed to dance at 11:00 and she was 20-30 minutes late, this scenario works.

While the site concentrates on athletic teams, I think it's safe to infer that this occurs at other fraternities and sororities as well. You can scroll down the page to find pictures from the "dirty dozen" Universities.

Nifong says evidence isn't processed and the phone may belong to a third party, who has privacy expectations. Judge orders that the phone be examined in confidence to find out what's on it. This doesn't sound at all like Nifong's not interested.

Didn't it say that the boys used her phone? The calls may be their calls.

Chew, agreed, BH Entertainment seems like a strictly amateur outfit. More grist for Kim's mill.

It's just weird that the prosecutor is dismissing this evidence as unimportant. Wouldn't the people on the other end of those calls be pretty important witnesses? I've tried to give the prosecutor the benfit of the doubt on most things, but this one leaves me a little baffled.

Howard Stern, among others, has glorified strippers and porn stars to some extent. Interestingly, one of the first questions he asks every stripper/pron star that comes on his show (which is almost every show) whether they were abused or raped when they were younger (i.e., top porn star Jenna Jameson's story).

[regarding no bouncer/driver] recall Kim saying that she had been working as an escort/stripper for about 10 months, so she was more experienced than the AV who reportedly had only been working for 2 months.

(Can't you get the numbers called from the phone provider in any case?)

(That said, I'm sure chew2 will soon point out, again, how little I know about the stripping/hooking industry...)

UCSB is a damn fun school with an absolutely beautiful campus on the beach...how anyone graduates from that school is amazing.

Another thing occurred to me, the boys may not have called two escort agencies. Maybe they called just one, and that agency didn't have two girls, so that agency called the second agency and the second agency sent out their girl.

You have any reason why Nifong would be incurious about the phone calls? It's pretty obvious how important that evidence could be to reasonable people here. Anyone figure out why Nifong is dragging his feet on the phone information?

I also find the phone situation strange. Chew, I thought the judge was the first one who mentioned the third party info too and I wondered how he knew that.

Stale beer along the beach in Santa Barbara...

My daughter is going to school in the area. That's Goleta, I think, where all those frats are located. Supposedly the most party-intensive square mile in America

Nifong said prosecutors are not interested in the contents of the phone, such as the last 10 numbers called,

"The state is not aware of any additional material or information which may be exculpatory in nature with respect to the defendant," Nifong wrote in a court filing.

It's not so much who she made any calls to but when she made them.

It is entirely possible and likely that there are some "known" Durham residents on the phone.

Sounds like reasonable circumstance to infer that good ole "John" may have pulled a few strings/made some recommendations for her during sentencing.