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The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed May 17, 2006 at 09:23:24 PM EST
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Arianna saw "An Inconvenient Truth" and stayed for the Q and A with Gore in Los Angeles. She says he radiated commitment and confidence and then compares him to Hillary:

As a result of the soul-sapping tyranny of trying to please and placate everybody, she's become more processed than Velveeta. You can almost see every word that comes out of her mouth first being marched through the different compartments of her brain -- analyzed, evaluated, and vetted by each of them. What will the consultants think of this? How will it poll? Will working women between 25-35 in eastern Ohio think it's okay? How about likely voters in northern Oklahoma?

Her fear has caused a complete disconnect from who she really is and what she really thinks (that is, if she even knows anymore).

As to Gore, Arianna writes:

Whether Al Gore ends up running in 2008 or not, he is modeling the way our public figures, and especially our would-be presidents, should be operating -- from the heart and true to themselves. Standing for something more important than just winning, and more powerful than the fear of losing.

Candidates -- and especially Democratic ones -- need to stop fooling themselves that the road to victory is paved with pandering.

I had similar impressions of Gore when I attended the Denver screening and Q and A.

So, is Gore running in 2008? Even though he says he's not, Big Oil is taking no chances. Think Progress reports on the campaign ad they are launching against him. Why is he such a threat?

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    The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary | 13 comments (13 topical)
    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:53:32 AM EST
    another reason, as if i needed one, to ignore the rather pedestrian ms. huffington. clearly, she does not now, nor i suspect ever did, know her rear end from a hole in the ground. mr. gore was elected in 2000, despite the MSM savagery he received. he will not, and should not, run in 2008, the same MSM savagery will attend. hillary should run, and will have the best chance, of any democrat, to win. ms. huffington should stick to something she knows, drapes maybe.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 18, 2006 at 07:48:01 AM EST
    Her fear has caused a complete disconnect from who she really is and what she really thinks (that is, if she even knows anymore). This self-serving bit of puffery assumes that Arianna knows who Hillary really is and what she really thinks: otherwise it a nonsensical statement par excellence. Just another classic example of how the liberal elite belives it's so much smarter than everyone else, and prove that it isn't.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 18, 2006 at 07:55:03 AM EST
    Wow. Finger's aren't working well this morning. My apologies for the spelling.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#4)
    by zak822 on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:50:25 AM EST
    If Hillary runs, she will be cut to shreds by the right. And let's face it, a lot of progressives are not in love with her, me included. The primaries would be no walkover for Hillary. The savaging that Gore received would pale to nothing beside what the press would do to Hillary, and right wing fundraising would hit astronomic level, as they rally against the "she-devil" they believe her to be.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#5)
    by Peaches on Thu May 18, 2006 at 09:28:23 AM EST
    The savaging that Gore received would pale to nothing beside what the press would do to Hillary, and right wing fundraising would hit astronomic level, as they rally against the "she-devil" they believe her to be.
    This is absolutely true. I am not a fan of Hilary, but this explains why she has to be so careful about what she says and why she has to shy away from controversy more than someone like Gore. It also explains why she would strike an alliance with someone like Rupert Murdoch. I don't fault her for taking these precautions, but I would prefer someone who could be more controversial and who would attack the right-wing repug machine head on. But, who knows, if such a candidate could be succesful with this strategy. If Hilary gets the democratic nomination, I'll vote for her. I might not expect a whole lot from her, but she is better than what we have just been through with this band of crooks.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:52:00 AM EST
    ...a complete disconnect from who she really is and what she really thinks
    So...a typical politician.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#7)
    by glanton on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:01:38 AM EST
    Like every other politico, the "real" Hillary must be conceived as neither more nor less than what she does and how she votes and with whom she allies herself, etc. I especially like this comment:
    Assuming Hillary wins the senate primary and is pitted against an even worse Republican, voters in one of America's most progressive states will face a choice of two major-party candidates with roughly identical views on Iraq, military spending, Iran, Israel, media consolidation, pro-corporate trade deals, etc. That's a choice Murdoch relishes. He can't lose in such an election.
    As for Gore, we're seeing in him what we're seeing now precisely because he's currently on the outside of the political game. If he gets the nomination he'll find himself becoming more and more similar to the Hillary described in the link above.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#8)
    by Fr33d0m on Thu May 18, 2006 at 12:12:43 PM EST
    Anyone who thinks the MSM will not savage Hillery as they did Gore must be wearing blinders. You may hate Arianna or love Hillery, but either position should not keep you from seeing the obvious frames we will see. Either will be touted as the top of some "Liberal" heap, and either has some big humps (no pun) to overcome. As I said in '04, a Politician with a record makes a bad candidate these days. Especially when it looks like their presentation comes off themse as Senitor-Orator, and certainly if the look like they are trying to please everyone. That is what Arianna is speaking to. I for one will not vote for anyone who has stated that the Iraq war was the right thing to do. That makes the person a fool or a hoe in my mind. That likely leaves me with nobody to vote for if she gets the nomination.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#9)
    by roy on Thu May 18, 2006 at 01:58:54 PM EST
    I'll give Gore credit for being motivated by a genuine desire to help people. That's true of many Democrats. Hillary, however, appears to be driven mainly by a desire for power. Take the anti-flag-desecration law she co-sponsored because she needs centrist credibility. I understand the need for politicians to compromise, but this was just a power play. She tried to infringe our rights and skirt (if not simply violate) Constitutional limits to Congress's power, all in order to increase her ability to get re-elected to Congress or elected to the Presidency. Disgusting. (OT to prevent silly accusations, I'm not claiming that the GOP offers benevolent alternatives)

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#10)
    by cpinva on Thu May 18, 2006 at 01:58:59 PM EST
    hmmm, let's see, where to begin? ok, first off, hillary isn't al, by a stretch. the savagery of the MSM would get blow-back, from a candidate who learned from the master, her husband. gore's campaign never figured out how to do this. gore is a smart guy, no question about it, but not nearly the intuitive politician that both bill & hillary are. second, hillary's views, with respect to the major issues of the day are polarizingly..............mainstream. unless, of course, you consider al sharpton or pat robertson mainstream. what truly separates hillary from al is hillary's low key, go for the jugular attitude. something lacking in al, which makes him a nice guy, but not a successful presidential candidate. that is the key, and hillary wins hands down. again, ms. huffington should take her hubby's money, and go do something she actually has a clue about. with "liberal" bloggers like her, the republicans need do nothing.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#11)
    by Peaches on Thu May 18, 2006 at 02:32:06 PM EST
    Glanton, Gulianni is campaigning for Ralph Reed and John McCann appeared alongside of Jerry Falwell at Liberty University. It's called Politics. They are politicians. We give them power. We can take it away. Not very easily, however. The Rupert thing scares me, but doesn't surprise me. If Hilary wants to win she has to make some deals with the devil. Guiliani and McCann are going to be taking a lot of heat from the far right-wing and social conservatives. It is possible that they may even abandon one or the other if one of them gets the rpublican endorsement. So much better for the democartic candidate. They both know that, so they talk to Reed and Falwell to position themselves better. Same goes for Hilary. It is not a reflection on her character, other than she is cutthroat and wants to win. She is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Perhaps, she even believes, that once she wins, she can really do some things worthwhile, like put liberal judges on the bench, or pass universal health coverage. It is likely, however, that she will be a lot like her husband, though and she will try and remain in power as a president by making allies where whe can. This will further piss off her liberal base, but she will risk that by appeal to the center. Again, politics. But, I'll take her and her husbands politics over the clowns we have right now, anyday. I learned that much since 2000.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#12)
    by Al on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:15:59 PM EST
    Have you seen the Exxon ads? They're absolutely hilarious. Gore could not have asked for better publicity. If you haven't seen them yet, here they are. And then, you may want to see comments by real climate scientists.

    Re: The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:44:00 PM EST
    Al-Gosh it makes you think that there really is an alternate reality out there. Thickening glaciers? baby's breath? sheesh what a riot.

    The Differing Styles of Gore and Hillary | 13 comments (13 topical)