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Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever

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Posted on Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 11:58:06 PM EST
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A new Wall St. Journal- NBC poll (free link)shows Bush's ratings have slipped to their lowest level yet.

Just 38% of Americans now approve Bush's job performance, while 57% disapprove, the poll shows....Fully 79% of respondents call the case "a serious matter." Americans now view Vice President Dick Cheney negatively 49%-27%, his worst-ever showing and a significant deterioration since January....53% of Americans overall, including 23% of Republicans, say he is facing a longer-term setback "from which things are unlikely to get better."

....Nearly six in 10 Americans say they believe President Bush "deliberately misled people" about the case for war to oust Saddam Hussein from power. A comparable number say it's time to reduce the level of U.S. troops there.

What can Bush do about it? I think the first thing he has to do is clean house. Libby's resignation is not going to be enough. Bush has to prove to Republicans that he is still a leader by delivering the honor and ethics in his Administration he promised voters when he ran for re-election.

Who will go first? My money's on Karl Rove.

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    Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever | 46 comments (46 topical)
    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    I suppose "sepaku" is out the realm of possibilities....

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    There's a problem - he's not a leader ... so now what?

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Sepuku won't work -- no hara. Too bad Bush's other advisor, David Koresh, ain't around any more. The war crimes are coming out. The torture is out. The abductions and murders and pogroms and conspiracy are out. T-ball? Maybe he could pass out skulls with candy in them.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    He really doesn't need to do anything as his political leadership is gone forever.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#5)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    One thing that Bush could do to improve his popularity is to start telling the truth. Unfortunately, he may be incapable of doing this.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#6)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Where are our local trolls? Polls mean nothing, Joe Wilson is scum, Democrats lie and kill people. Why do you hate the troops? 9-11! 9-11!

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Actually it would be far better if Bush threw Cheney to the wolves. Cheney is far crazier and more dangerous than Rove, and has a political tin ear as well (quite unlike Rove). Cheney is the real cancer, much more than Rove. Bush doesn't need Cheney as much as he needs Rove. And finally, sacrificing Cheney would be bolder and more dramatic than merely firing Rove.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Roger - Nice spin move.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#9)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    He learneded from some of the finest around, right Jim? ;)

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    I'm not inclined to take issue with the polls, as I find the numbers far from surprising, but I would note that Bush, being in his second term, is really a nonissue anyway. It doesn't matter what his ratings are, he isn't running for re-election. Cheney's numbers might matter, but I doubt it as I doubt very much that he will seek the presidency. 2008 is going to be a wide open year for both parties, and the fact that 57% of those polled disapprove of Bush's efforts does not mean they will necessarily vote for whomever the Democrats nominate. Which simply boils down to: Choose wisely. Another lying, would-be war hero who can't keep his story straight and looks down his nose at the majority of the nation while promising ever more federal spending is not likely to carry the day.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#11)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Another lying, would-be war hero who can't keep his story straight and looks down his nose at the majority of the nation while promising ever more federal spending is not likely to carry the day. George W. is a "would-be war hero?" Wasn't he in the National Guard? For a minute?

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Another terror attack would help his poll numbers quite a bit.
    It doesn't matter what his ratings are, he isn't running for re-election.
    JR-what are you kidding? He has three more years and needs the support of his own party (at the very least) in order to run the country. As his numbers drop he becomes more and more a liability to those who will be running again and they will distance themselves from him for their own political survival.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#13)
    by Punchy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    REPEAT AFTER ME--Chimpy will NOT fire Karl Rove. Never. Unless he's indicted...well...umm...CONVICTED. Then, only maybe. Outside of Fitzy going legal on The Fat Man, no chance the Simian pink slips his only hope...

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Though I would love nothing more than that piece of slime Karl Rove being given the boot, it will never happen. Without Karl Rove, Bush is just another trust fund baby, and not the president. He owes him his professional life, and besides, I don't think Bush could tie his shoes without him.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    The important numbers in the polls show Americans now think --by double digits--that DEMOCRATS should control congress and would do (have done) a better job in Iraq.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#16)
    by swingvote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Repack, No, Bush is an imbecile who never claimed to be a war hero at all. On the Democratic side, you have: John "I'm a war criminal-No I'm a war hero-I was fooled because I was too lazy to show up for briefings" Kerry. Howard "I lied to the draft board and faked a back injury to avoid service" Dean. and Hillary "I lost my billing records and have no idea how they turned up in my library two years later" Clinton, who actually looks good by comparison. Find someone else, please, or expect another squeaker of an election, which you may well win, but if you do you'll come to regret everything you've said about how 51% election victories do not constitute a mandate. Squeaky, Still can't figure out who you are responding to? Classic.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    In Republican Newspeak, a 'would-be war hero" is someone who earned a Silver Star for bravery under fire(and is attacked by somebody to the point where that somebody's story reveals that they weren't eligable for the medal they received in the same action). "Courage under fire" OTOH, is shown by reading a children's book for 7 minutes rather than doing the job they were elected (or selected by the SCOTUS, YMMV) and chose to take on. Also, it should be noted that in terms of 'free-spending' that this current malAdministration has borrowed more money from foreign banks and goverments than all 42 previous Administrations combined.........money that will have to be paid back someday, and probably by the children and grandchildren of most of our citizens. Roger, you should be careful, beneath PPJ's seemingly friendly comment is probably an angry guy who'll sue you for impersonating him if you continue on your present path.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Justpaul just repeats Republican lies for example - please cite the quote where Kerry says he is a war criminal. Not where Rush Limbaugh for the dirtbarge scowboys say he said it = but where he said it

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#19)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    John "I'm a war criminal-No I'm a war hero-I was fooled because I was too lazy to show up for briefings" Kerry.
    Jesus christ, what's next? John "I got tortured because I'm a big dumb piece of crap" McCain See that? All the pro-war Republicans are in fact cowards, thanks to my dismissive comment. I am become Justpaul, destroyer of worlds. Seriously, though, this sounds a lot like Ann Coulter's famous "proof" that democrats/liberals/whatever can't be trusted because all FDR did was fail to stop pearl harbor and all JKF did was get assassinated. How bout we keep the Coulterism to a minimum. Thanks.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#20)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    and, yes, that should be JFK.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    WhataLoad, justpoop doesn't need facts, citations, or any other method of proving he is right beyond saying it is so. Haven't you learned by now that all of us liberal eggheads, while not sponsoring Islamofascists, are living in a world where reality is determined not by observation but just how well you distort the truth.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    jp-sorry to confuse you with jr. I guess all wingnut/trolls look alike.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#23)
    by swingvote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Et al, Kerry routinely spoke in the 1970s of his actions in Vietnam and described them as a dishonor. Perhaps suggesting that he labeled himself as a war criminal was based too much on the rhetoric of last years campaign. I withdrawl the statement. But I do not withdrawl the point that Kerry built his political career on his opposition to the war in Vietnam and the soldiers who fought it, then turned around last year and wrapped himself in the flag, claiming to be a bonified war hero (yes he has the medals, but lots of people have medals and there are questions about at least one of Kerry's purple hearts). You might note as well that one does not have to accept a word the Swift Boat Veterans said to question Kerry's integrity with regard to his service. He treats his time in Vietnam as something to be ashamed of or proud of depending on his audience. This may well simply make him "a politician" but it doesn't make him someone I would want to vote for. End of story. Scar, So what? Did I ever say McCain was my hero? Did I ever say that Republican "war heros" are somehow real by definition due to their Republicaness? What even makes you think I support their agenda at all? (Oh right, I don't lick Dean and Kerry's boots, so I must be a Bush fan. And you guys wonder why you have so much trouble convincing anyone to support you.) Sherm, That's an interesting statement from you considering you have never posted a source for any of your crap and routinelyu lie about what other people have said here. Keep up the good work. You are no doubt converting the masses of indecideds to vote for someone other than the Democrat or the Republican, which is just fine with me. Squeak, How very typical. You screw the pooch again and can only resort to ad hominem insults. What a wang nut you are! And that it's for me folks. This thread, like almost every other, has been taken over by the hardcore liberal types who see everything in only their shade of black and white, who are incapable of having a polite discussion on any subject, and who are the doom of the Democratic party, as they have become its face and its an ugly face indeed. Enjoy your moment while it lasts.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Squeaky- I expect the trolls will be along shortly to claim your "all trolls look alike" is a racist statement. Troll Power!

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    justpaul must be on the Frank Luntz a list -- redefining honorable service to mean using family contacts to get a place in the air national guard and not even bother to complete the service and then steal the records and get others to remain silent or just lie and then using a military uniform as the costume of the day.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    "Kerry routinely spoke in the 1970s of his actions in Vietnam and described them as a dishonor." Please provide lnks. "I withdrawl the statement." hey justpaul, I believe 'withdraw' is the term you're looking for. Withdrawl is a noun, withdraw, verb, meaning to pull out, is what your father should have done;-)

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Good one Sailor!! I had a chuckle over that grammer lesson.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    The noun is withdrawal, not withdrawl. And it was his next door neighbor who needed to practice it.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    No wonder the right is obsessed with controlling womans bodies by invasive procedures to determine paternity. They can't keep a hold on the jellyroll any other way. Go mama go.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#30)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Kth, Agreed. Cheney is a cancer on the white House and the nation. JP, You're getting worse. Don't forget Cheney's five deferments, and his wife having a baby 9 months and three days after the deferment status changed to married with children. You are becoming a joke here. Or fish in a barrel. Take your pick.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Johnny writes:
    He learneded from some of the finest around, right Jim? ;)
    Hmmmm, I didn't know Roger was on Clinton's staff. Darkly - Courage under fire is defined as continuing to do the proper thing under great stress. As opposed to dashing off in all directions and start launching cruise missiles at aspirin factories and Chinese Embassies. ShermBuck writes:
    Haven't you learned by now that all of us liberal eggheads, while not sponsoring Islamofascists, are living in a world where reality is determined not by observation but just how well you distort the truth.
    Change "liberal" to “leftie" and I couldn't have said it better. Squeaky - I see that you continue to live up to your boast:
    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.
    I must say that you are living up to your claim.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    ppj-Hijacking threads again? Rove is clearly your mentor, to bad you are such a pathetic apprentice. D minus with a wingnut curve.
    Squeaky - I see that you continue to live up to your boast:
    It has become your boast. Enjoy it.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    Squeak - You said what you said, and it is there for all to see. Enjoy.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    ppj-as I said it is yours now as you seem to cherish it. Think of it as my gift to you.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Ouch! Fox poll: Bush at 36%. josh marshal

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Squeak - Cherish? Perhaps you can tell us why we should cherish a brag made by someone who wants to smear people? Be disgusted by it? Yes.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#37)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Jim, I actually had someone else in mind, but if you want the credit.......;-) And all, JustP has a point. Kerry was the most boring speaker since Lieberman. A less inspiring ticket would have been hard to fine. Looked good on paper i suppose. A candidate who was too young for Vietnam, but too old for Gulf I might be a good idea. A decent public speaker, like Barak Obama would be a plus. I voted for Kerry, but ONLY because he wasnt W. I almost stayed home.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    ppj-you are the king of smear, perpetual champion of Rove and his neo-Goebbels program, Bush apologist and Cheney as^lick. Wonder if it was/is genetic. Time for your medicine you are losing your grip.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    The repugs are blaming Bush for their unpopularity in the voting booths. From none other than the moonie times via kos
    "We know that George Bush is just killing us," said Delegate David B. Albo, a Republican who narrowly defeated his Democratic challenger in Fairfax County. "His popularity just brought the ticket down. There's no other way to explain it."
    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Squeak - How about show us some comments I have made defending Rove? I don't you can. You just want to smear with the charge. But hey, that's what you said you do. Darkly - My comment about Clinton is as accuarte as your comment about Bush. I think WE are guilty of stupid is as stupid does. Roger - Same reason I voted for Bush.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:59 PM EST
    ppj-so now you are jumping ship like all the other rats? Funny now that just the mere mention of the connection to your master elicits charges that you are being smeared. hahaha, I guess the meds are blocking your memory, how nice. BTW-Unlike you I am not interested in collecting your famous (uninteresting) quotes.
    Squeak - How about show us some comments I have made defending Rove?


    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#44)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:59 PM EST
    I'm watching Bush today, November 11, 2005 on CNN making his Veteran's Day speech in Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania. Using exactly the same words he used on October 6, 2005 speaking at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center in Washington, D.C. he unwittingly describes very clearly himself and what needs to be done about him...
    "...the civilized world knows very well that other fanatics in history, from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot, consumed whole nations in war and genocide before leaving the stage of history. Evil men, obsessed with ambition and unburdened by conscience, must be taken very seriously -- and we must stop them before their crimes can multiply. ... They're unconstrained by any notion of our common humanity, or by the rules of warfare. ... Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision -- and they end up alienating decent people across the globe. Tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that regimented societies are strong and pure -- until those societies collapse in corruption and decay. Tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that free men and women are weak and decadent -- until the day that free men and women defeat them." --George W. Bush
    He keeps good counsel...
    "Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." --Hermann Goering
    Bush is definitely not a Nazi... The Nazis didn't have the Nazis to learn from...

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:00 PM EST
    squeak writes:
    Posted by Squeaky at November 11, 2005 09:11 AM ppj-so now you are jumping ship like all the other rats? Funny now that just the mere mention of the connection to your master elicits charges that you are being smeared. hahaha, I guess the meds are blocking your memory, how nice. BTW-Unlike you I am not interested in collecting your famous (uninteresting) quotes.
    Squeak - How about show us some comments I have made defending Rove?
    squeak - hahaha yourself. I just nailed you to the wall by noting that you can't prove your charge because it is just a smear... and what do you do???? You smear again.
    hahaha, I guess the meds are blocking your memory, how nice.
    Squeak, the Smear King...and Master Troll.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:00 PM EST
    ppj-
    you can't prove your charge because it is just a smear
    You are a hoot.

    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:01 PM EST
    Edger: "he unwittingly describes very clearly himself and what needs to be done about him..." You are wrong. He knows full well what he is saying, the sinister sarcasm of what he is saying. This is a knowing traitor, not some buffoon. He plays the buffoon to perfection, and the lines they give him to read are part of his dance of illicit power. He says things like that to amaze the sentient, slap them in the face, and elevate his sense of sociopathic superiority.
    "...peoples of different continents met in fear and cruelty... At this place, liberty and life were stolen and sold. Human beings were delivered and sorted, and weighed, and branded with the marks of commercial enterprises, and loaded as cargo on a voyage without return. One of the largest migrations of history was also one of the greatest crimes of history. Below the decks, the middle passage was a hot, narrow, sunless nightmare; weeks and months of confinement and abuse and confusion on a strange and lonely sea. Some refused to eat, preferring death to any future their captors might prepare for them. Some who were sick were thrown over the side. Some rose up in violent rebellion, delivering the closest thing to justice on a slave ship. Many acts of defiance and bravery are recorded. Countless others, we will never know. Those who lived to see land again were displayed, examined, and sold at auctions across nations in the Western Hemisphere. They entered societies indifferent to their anguish and made prosperous by their unpaid labor...Because families were often separated, many [were] denied even the comfort of suffering together. ... the spirit of their captors was corrupted. Small men took on the powers and airs of tyrants and masters. Years of unpunished brutality and bullying and rape produced a dullness and hardness of conscience. Christian men and women became blind to the clearest commands of their faith and added hypocrisy to injustice. A republic founded on equality for all became a prison for millions. Archcriminal GWB, Senegal, 08 Jul 2003 (at Gorey Island Slave Transfer Station)


    Re: Poll: Bush's Ratings Sink to Lowest Level Ever (none / 0) (#48)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:01 PM EST
    You're right Paul. I unwittingly used the word unwittingly.

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