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Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Expected

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Posted on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 08:26:16 PM EST
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Chris Bowers of My DD reports he's having trouble posting but all precincts are now accounted for in the Ohio House race between Republican Jean Schmidt who had been considered a shoo-in and Democrat and Iraq war vet Paul Hackett:

753 of 753. Schimdt 57,974--54,401 Hackett. Hackett will conceede. He will run again in 2006, and win. Its over--but not for long. Any other district in Ohio and he would have won. This has been a collosal victory for the netroots. It's tidal, if you ask me."

Swing State Project has been reporting live from the field for a week, and Daily Kos and Atrios have been all over this David vs. Goliath election.

Kudos to the netrooters and to Hackett for such a close result. Republicans should take heed....

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    Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Expected | 35 comments (35 topical)
    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#1)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Take heed of what, exactly? The Democratic party and the left in general threw tons of money at this race, while Schmidt had access to far less. She's not that attractive a candidate (politically speaking) either. Add in that Hackett: -- ran ads that left out his party affiliation, and implied that he stood with the President -- that the Democrats won't be able to pour money into this district in 2006 the same way And guess what? You still lost. You had an attractive candidate, who attempted in his advertising to mask his actual position on the war - and you still lost. You can call this a moral victory if you want, but you are kidding yourselves. You guys focused on this race like there was no tomorrow, and it didn't work.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    One of the most Republican of the counties in Ohio, Clermont, went 42% (Hackett) to 58% (Schmidt). Clermont sits at an amazing 70-85% Republican all the time. The few times we wandered down to and around Cincinnati was a real learning experience. I was always stunned at how ignorant people were at what goes on anywhere. If Hackett can garner 48% overall to Schmidt's 51%, then unlike what Mr. Robertson thinks - the GOP in Ohio needs to re-evaluate. People here are tired of this war & the lying, and the lying going on surrounding the Rove case. This is also considered a Republican stronghold; it's waning.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#3)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    You had an attractive candidate, who attempted in his advertising to mask his actual position on the war I didn't think Hackett tried to hide the fact that unlike some Republicans I could mention, he acually fought in the war. That harpy Schmidt did, though, in textbook "We hate the troops" Republican style. Oh, and this district has gone 70% or more to the Republicans for decades.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#4)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Oh, and as far as focusing on the race like there was no tomorrow, show me where the DNC or Dean or Reid or virtually anyone showed up. As I recall the first national organization to get involved was that of the Republicans, who said they wanted to "bury" Hackett in response to him saying that he'd lay his life on the line for Bush. Talk about overcompensating. Anyway, look for him to rise from the dead when it becomes evident just how enmeshed Schmidt is in the putrid pile of corruption that is the Ohio republican party. Got any rare coins that we can "lose", JR?

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    I hear Ohio needs a governor. 9 months after one of the most corrupt and illegal elections in the history of the country, with the same actors in place (but running from the anger of the voters over $250 million in rightwing slushfund for their favored candidates), they supposedly have an election that favors, unaudit-triggeringly small victory for the rightwing chucklehead. What a surprise. Hackett will be back for the keys to the Governor's mansion. And Blackwell will be gone. A 'close' election in Ohio is a STOLEN election. Just ask Jeb if you want an explanation of how it's done. Or go to Black Box

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Here's a part of the Ohio 2004 puzzle, just outed: Wife of Coinshark Candidate-Investor BOLTON-ed the Ohio 2004 miselection

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Paul in La..LA.. A 'close' election in Ohio is a STOLEN election. LOL...when I read the headline I thought to myself...."Ol Paulie will be all over this". You didn't disappoint dude....except you were down at the 5th post. I really expected you to be on 1st! Funny how someone way out in La La land has all the 'facts' on elections in Ohio.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    BB, It's called the internet, and TV, and telephones. Same way PPJ says Rove's pet monkey can run things from the "ranch".

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Good job, Che's Lounge. Seems like BB's "information-highway" begins and ends at his local redneck watering-hole.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Che... So ... the internet, the TV,and the telephones ALL say the election was stolen? Hummm. Funny but my internet, TV & telephone isn't telling me that. Maybe I need to subscribe to the leftie internet, TV & telephone services?

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    cheetah... Seems like BB's "information-highway" begins and ends at his local redneck watering-hole. LOL...no, but my redneck watering hole (as you put it) doesn't claim every election won by a conservative is stolen! Maybe you need to re-check the info coming out of your watering hole....! You seem to be getting some bad (incorrect) info. I'm sure your same watering hole told you those nasty conservatives want to give your property away too? BTW - nasty remarks.. like calling me a redneck goes a long way in showing what kind of person you are. Why is it lefties resort to calling names so quickly? (That's a rhetorical question...I already know the answer)

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    BB, I never called you a redneck. Read it again.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    cheetah... BB, I never called you a redneck Yeah I know... Amazing how you guys spin things. I go to a "redneck watering hole"? So I just associate with them...get my info from them..etc..etc....but I'm not one? You don't happen to write stuff for Dick Durbin do ya?

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#14)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    BB, Ignore the Leftie rants. Ranting to them is just a fix, like a cigarette. Look at the good news instead: 1. The seat stays R. 2. No fraud and everyone, even the ranters, knows it. 3. Turnout was extremely low - not much more than 1/3 of the general election - and therefore the results are not transferable (this applies to both parties) 4. But, contrary to the prev pt, the D's are already taking it as confirmation of the Deaniac All-Angry, All-The-Time approach. This is the key development - that they are bonding to a losing strategy, woo hoo! - and is further compunded by ... (see next pt) 5. The D candidate insulted Bush at partisan rallies, but tried to imply in his broader ads that he was aligned with him, prob so as not to mobilize the R base. Conclusion: the D leadership know they have to keep their hatred quiet, ye must also indulge their moonbat wing. Guess what? In a general election, they can't do both! Dean himself has already demonstrated that his approach falls apart when the going gets tough. But he has nonetheless got his party to embrace it, in the hope that they can use two different messages in front of two different audiences. Yeah, Howard, we saw how well that worked when the other side hilited it, didn't we? And that was your own party. So, all in all, good news for both sides: R's win and D's claim victory. Same ol', same ol'.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    BB posts an UTTERLY CONTENTLESS SERIES, in response to TWO links I provided. Ras, the Canadian Winger, comes on and posts an addendum that adds NOTHING to the discussion. Mission Accomplished, guys. A long time ago. But if you keep on posting bullsh*t, you get your daily cookie from Karl. Shove it up your arses. And have a nice day.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    "There is little question that high-ranking political officials nationally and at the state level were knowledgeable and involved in these activities. Many questions must be addressed involving the link between alleged illegal campaign contributions, diversion of State funds, their relation to 2005 elections, as well as the federal appointment of Mr. Noe to a federal advisory committee." Conyers Calls for Special Prosecutor in Ohio Vote Fraud

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    "Ms. Noe [wife of the man who appears to have stolen TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS from the State of Ohio, with TWO grand juries impaneled] was an advocate of Diebold’s optical scan software as chair of the Lucas County Board of Elections. "In April 2004, she and another fellow Republican board member voted to approve a $350,000 contract with Diebold to lease machines for the election. The county was forced the lease the equipment after a deadlock and a rebuke from Blackwell. ... "The contract was no-bid. After Democrats on the board revealed a cheaper bid from another company, the Lucas County board was forced to open the contract for bidding, over Ms. Noe’s objections. "The contract was eventually awarded to Diebold. ... "One Ohio election official recently admitted a Diebold lobbyist offered him $10,000 in an effort to woo the county to purchase Diebold machines, which he diverted to the local Republican Party." This same cr*p took place across the country, and the trail of lies, bribes, stolen elections, and treasonous conspiracy continues to mount. You want to know why BB and ras are working overtime, clogging this blog with non-comments and useless snarks? Gotta stop the presses from spreading the news.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    Paul in La La.... BB posts an UTTERLY CONTENTLESS SERIES, in response to TWO links I provided. Don't flatter yourself... I wasn't responding to your links. You link to left wing drivel about fixed elections & crap that you can't prove because it didn't happen. But keep up the good fight there Paulie... The Dems need you. You can't win elections so "they must be fixed"! Talk to me when something (besides your tired accusations) happens. Then we'll talk.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
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    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:54 PM EST
    Always lovely to see the high level of discourse here at TL. That said, in a district that has been 20-30 points solidly in the Red, itomes down to two percentage points, and 3000 votes. This is in hard-scrabble Appalacia, the largest city is only 20,000 or so. In other words, the GOP somehow lost 18-28 percent of their usual supporters. This in spite of an 1800 point ad buy by the National Repub's in the week before the election. Yep they hung on to the seat all right. However, to claim that Rove, Melman and such have nothing to worry about are specious at best. I'm pretty sure we are going to hear from Major Hackett again on 06. 18-28 point swing against a three decades long trend? Sounds like a Gust Front to me....

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:54 PM EST
    BB: "left wing drivel about fixed elections & crap that you can't prove" Which we ARE proving, piece by piece, as the links demonstrate. Two grand juries. Plenty of evidence of MASSIVE vote fraud. Executable files found (illegally) on Diebold memory cards. Affidavits from Ohio election officials that Triad employees feloniously replaced circuit boards on to-be-recounted voting machines, and supplied false numbers (another felony). BB, whistling past the graveyard, but the Ghost of Christmas Past is coming after you. The time is coming when your lot are going to be doing A LOT of running from the LONG ARM of the law. Fool us once, good for you, you get to make a lot of money. But leave evidence, however small, and your boys weren't that careful, and our CSI is going to NAIL YOU TO THE WALL.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#22)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:54 PM EST
    Paul in LA, Actually, I skip over most of your comments; not worth the effort. Other Lefties, such as Quaker, actually like to make a point or two with their rants, and are worth reading for that. You're just a hateful man who can never be happy. To be completely blunt, I feel sorry for you, tho only a little.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:54 PM EST
    "You're just a hateful man who can never be happy." Yeah, that's real sad, ras. Your moral emptiness and total lack of commitment to truth and justice are just above the criminal level, simply because you aren't in position to be COERCED by the rightwing gang you are applauding. IF you were in a position they needed, you would already have to be initiated into the Cabal. Count yourself lucky -- what you're doing ANY coward could do.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#24)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:55 PM EST
    Always lovely to see the high level of discourse here at TL. Adept_Havelock - As the title of the blog implies 'Talk Left' so go the political leanings of the author. Rather than being a hassle-free environment without the stunted comments of those like Mr. Robertson & ras, we're privy to them. Oh, joy! It would be nice to come here & discuss something without the usual crap from those who have nothing better to do than ply it. Having lived in Ohio, I was stunned at the level of ignorance & bigotry I found prevalent. Yet these were the same people who equated Idaho with one white supremacist group & nothing else. In Ohio, there were numerous hate groups active all over the state although the primary locale: middle and southern Ohio. Jean Schmidt's lunacy when speaking is really par for the course. A friend who writes for the Plain Dealer in Cleveland said they were out in Brook Park talking to people about the soldiers killed. People were very angry. But yet, what came out of their mouths: the same drivel that came from Schmidt's: 'we have to fight them there so as to not fight them here.' & 'They're over there to protect us.' {Brook Park is up by Cleveland} Personally, I think the majority of Americans are lazy when it comes to current events and world affairs - it's just easier to let someone else do your thinking & deciding.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:55 PM EST
    Ras.... Other Lefties, such as Quaker, actually like to make a point or two Actually Paulie does make a point... the same one - over & over & over & over... That all elections won by the right are fixed! Obvoiusly the left would have won all of them if this wasn't the case. Right Paulie?

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:55 PM EST
    Kitt... the same drivel that came from Schmidt's: 'we have to fight them there so as to not fight them here.' Maybe the MAJORITY of the people in the great state of Ohio (& indeed this great country) actually get it! ...And that is, (like it or not) we are in a fight and we can choose how to approach it. Most of us choose to take the fight to them as apposed to sitting on our hands and waiting for the next 9/11. It's actually very simple and what most of us would call a "no brainer"... That is of course assuming you have 'brians' in the first place..? (which a MAJORITY of the left seems to be lacking these days)

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    More patented BB delusion: "Most of us choose to take the fight to them as apposed to sitting on our hands and waiting for the next 9/11." Yeah, that's why the Rumsfeld Pentagon had TWO jets to fly on that day. That's why the Bush Gang ignored the 3-year Congressional Terrorism report, refusing to read it. That's why when CA's Senator Feinstein was running around in August 2001, along with Tenet with his "Hair on fire," little boy thug Bush was on another August-long vacation. You liar, you fool. As for Paulie and Ohio, you don't seem to understand what TWO grand juries are impaneled to discover and prosecute: $250 million lost, $12 million missing and apparently stolen, with THOSE FUNDS GOING INTO THE CAMPAIGNS OF GWBUSH, ASCHWARTZENEGGER, AND OTHER RIGHTWING CANDIDATES' CAMPAIGNS. Btw, that's illegal. So keep on blowing bubbles for Al Capone, BB. Whatever they're paying you, what does it profit you to lose your soul?

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#28)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    That is of course assuming you have 'brians' in the first place..? (which a MAJORITY of the left seems to be lacking these days)
    I'm sure you meant 'brains' - regardless - you damned lucky this isn't my blog. I'd ban the likes of you because you contribute nothing to conversations other than derision. The people who actually believe that drivel are the same people who believe Iraqis are 'the enemy' because somehow they've gotten the idea Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks on Sept 11th.
    "Most of us choose to take the fight to them as apposed (sic) to sitting on our hands and waiting for the next 9/11."
    What bullsh*t! The fight was in Afghanistan; bin Laden - remember him? Where is he? We're in Iraq because "the long emergency" is coming and it's peak oil time has come & gone or very near. It's hard to estimate because the oil companies have over-estimated production & other stats for stockholders. Iraq has 'pools' of oil and in order for society not to crash - we need that oil. Besides that, we had no business attacking Iraq. Iraq was so maintained, so maintained. Like I said, the American people are so ignorant regarding our own history, it's a given they know absolutely nothing about another country's.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    Paul in La LA... Yeah, that's why the Rumsfeld Pentagon had TWO jets to fly on that day You've been watching too many Micheal Moore movies! That's why the Bush Gang ignored the 3-year Congressional Terrorism report, refusing to read it. Billy Bob Clinton ignored much more than that for more years to boot. what does it profit you to lose your soul? I have no soul...lost it long ago when I was a liberal! Kitt... I'd ban the likes of you because you contribute nothing to conversations other than derision. This is my favorite part...how quickly the left wants to ban anybody that doesn't agree with them...what happened to 'freedom of speech'? You'd all feel better posting stuff and then having all the others high five you? No dissention at all? That sounds like fun (not to mention very boring) because somehow they've gotten the idea Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks on Sept 11th. An old tired liberal talking point that has no bearing on anything. We all know where Saddam is in this ME mess. The fact that he 'may' not have been directly involved means nothing. What bullsh*t! The fight was in Afghanistan; bin Laden - remember him? Where is he? The fight is wherever these guy are...period! If we don't do something now.. (as Clinton refused to do numerous times) the fight will be in NYC again or in 'Kitt' town USA. OLB is hiding up in the mountains... we'll get him eventually. He is no longer a primary target.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#30)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    Dont feed the BB troll! He is a 14 year old canadian who has a strange obsession with the US and "liberals". As other Canadians will have nothing to do with him, he types diatribes on web sites while munching oreos, all the time wishing that he could be a "tough guy" like Bush. Dont bother to respond to him, there are no thought processes up there anyway

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    Make that THREE Grand Juries in Ohio Rightwing Fraud I think you're confusing BB with ras, who claims to be Canadian. BB is certainly a troll, though. I love how he mocks Jesus' words. Hilarious. Well, you were warned, BB.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#32)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    Roger, I'm not sure BB is from Canada. Ras is. Just FYI. There are many possible explanations for the swing in voting percentage. Off year, voter apathy etc. I wouldn't take this loss too happily, it's still a loss.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#33)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:56 PM EST
    Yeah, ras is from Canada - British Columbia if I remember correctly. This isn't about dissension. Dissension is expressing an opinion of disagreement. This is about trolling and offering nothing to the conversation. I'm sick of coming here, wanting to discuss something - especially something I may not know much about - and have the constant distraction of bullsh*t thrown up. My patience even runs thin with PPJim because it doesn't seem to be about understanding ANYTHING, just throwing wrenches in the spokes. Patrick - Yeah, it is a loss and I wouldn't be happy about it if I lived in CD2 in Ohio. Fortunately for me, I lived in Kucinich's and Jones'. The only point I'm proferring is that CD is overwhelming Republican and has consistently voted as such over 40 years. The margins have NOT been slim either. (Winning by a 70% margin is a regular landslide no matter the victor.) This was a regular down-to-the-wire, neck-and-neck 'horse'race. I don't think it's about being an off year, voter apathy - none of that. People are growing weary of what's going on and in a district (especially Clermont county) heavily favoring Republicans - it sends a message. I live in a very red state as well. One of the differences I find here, along with not having to dealing with such in-your-face racism, is the privacy streak that runs deep as well. Both of our congress reps voted against formalizing (permanent status) on the Patriot Act recently. Long ago a bill narrowly passed (vetoed by the Democratic governor then) on restricting abortion. Why? It's a privacy issue with many, many people. It's about the government being in your business. THAT is what conservatism is about. Restriction of government involvement in one's life not expansion of its power(s).

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#34)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:57 PM EST
    Sorry, all of the trolls sound the same after a while. Like Kitt, I too come here for some "real" news. Living in Florida, there are many things reported here that I dont get in my local press. I also have to agree with Kitt on the nature of conservatism, it is generally about keeping the things that make us good, it is not about radical change. BushCo is about as radical as it gets. The US has never behaved this way in our history. This is not conservative at all.

    Re: Ohio Election Results In: Way Closer Than Exp (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:58 PM EST
    Paul in LA LA.... I love how he mocks Jesus' words. Hilarious. "Jesus' words" ??? .... What orifice did you pull this out of? Et al.. For the record .... I was born & raised in the Midwest. Troll = anybody anyone on TL doesn't agree with.

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