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500k Corona Deaths in U.S.: Open Thread

The United States has now endured 28 million cases of COVID-19 and 500,000 covid-related deaths. And it sure is not over.

I got my second Moderna shot on Saturday. I was a little trepidatious because I had read the second shot carries a more powerful punch. But I felt nothing. Not yesterday afternoon, not last night, not today or tonight.

Maybe I don't have any immune cells to fight off the enemy? Maybe I have lazy immune cells? Maybe it means nothing at all?

Do I feel safer having received my two doses of vaxx? Not really. I'm still staying home almost exclusively, double masking when I go out, and reminding every person I see with a mask that has slid under his nostrils to please put it back up. Yet, masks are no guarantee, they are just better than not wearing masks. But they sure beat the alternative: getting sick and with covid and even though you have no prior risky conditions, for some unknown reason you become a long hauler. [More...]

I'm pretty convinced that Americans are too weak to follow any regimen that might beat back the pandemic. They whine about being alone, not seeing their friends, not taking trips, being bored. Get over it already. You're not in jail, you're in your own home. Except for Texans, you have water, heat, TV, music, cell phones and toys galore. Study more. Get a hobby. Learn a new language. Learn how to code. Look through the jobs available at places like Indeed.com and see how few you are qualified for and do something about it -- it's called online learning. Learn to like yourself and enjoy the time you spend alone. And remember that while today you're safe (and bored) in your parents' basement, your parents won't be around forever.

I was shocked that 293 people left Denver on one plane to go to Hawaii this weekend. What were they thinking? Did they not realize they would have to share air with so many strangers (not to mention the bathrooms) in such small spaces?

Maybe there will be a generational war soon, with the "I already had covid" and the "I got vaxxed" crowd saying they are done with rules and masks and social distrancing and don't care anymore if other people may catch the disease be at risk of dying. Like Donald Trump. Once he got it, he couldn't care less about anyone else he might infect.

Trump thinks the time is right for him to take his first baby step of the season by attending some conservative group's conference soon. Trump will be as appetizing and exciting as choppped liver by the time 2023 comes around. The only real news he's likely to create is in 2022 when his loans come due.

Trump is a skunk, he's not going nowhere.

Back to the first topic: Who has had the first and/or second vaccine shot, and how'd you feel afterwards? Any symptons?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Cy gets the tax returns (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 08:58:51 AM EST
    The country will see a lot (none / 0) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:34:57 AM EST
    of bad Supreme Court decisions but at least it is not a completely owned Trump subsidiary. Big business, voting rights and religion will IMO be the areas most impacted by this court.

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    Statement (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:53:02 PM EST
    on the continuing political persecution of Donald Trump.

    "Donald Trump's yearslong quest to prevent the public, Congress, or law-enforcement officials from seeing his tax statements came to a resounding end with a unanimous Supreme Court ruling. He did not take the defeat in stride. Instead, the former president released a statement that, even by Trumpian standards, brims with anger."

    "Trump's response bears every hallmark of an authentically Trump-authored text, as opposed to the knockoff versions produced by his aides. It is meandering, filled with run-on sentences, gratuitous insults, and exclamation points."

    "The statement does contain one unambiguously true point: `This is something which has never happened to a president before.' That's correct, because every president for the past several decades has voluntarily released his financial information. Only Trump refused."

    I think Trump knows this is the end.

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    Reactions to the vaccines vary (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:49:55 PM EST
    Anecdotal info: My wife and I (who both work for a health care organization) have had our second doses with minor side effects.  I felt feverish and achy starting that night, but never reached 100F any of the many times that I took my temperature.  I barely slept for a couple of nights, mostly stayed in bed (hoping to catch some sleep), but I've had worse.  Days after the 2nd vaccine, I notice a bruise at the injection site - but that arm had been only slightly sore.  My wife did not notice a thing from hers.  

    Many coworkers who had the vaccinations missed time at work due to symptoms - nearly half of my coworkers, about 1/3 of my wife's coworkers.  The consensus was that it took about 8-12 hours for symptoms to be noticed, they tended to last about 36 hours, so people with symptoms usually felt better after two days.  (My wife's team works 4-day weeks in a hospital, and their vaccinations were scheduled by their department - so more of them were sick on their own time.  My team is not direct-patient-care, and is spread over 8 states in 4 time zones, so we got "leftover" vaccination slots whenever they were available.  I was offered slots on Sundays and Mondays.)

    I suspect that the body detects a sudden & sizeable presence of the invading virus-spike from that 2nd injection, and rolls out a vigorous defense.   I worry that those of us with a low-symptom response to the second dose may not have a very strong immune response to this Coronavirus....   But I am not a medical practitioner, so I hope nobody thinks this writing is anything more than a collection of anecdotes and conjecture.

    1st jab of Moderna: arm sore to elbow, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 10:57:37 PM EST
    light-headed for 2 days. 2nd jab: minimal soreness at injection site.

    The local hospital here in the Fl. keys (none / 0) (#48)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 07:35:50 AM EST
    called me in two days early for my second shot of Pfizer three weeks ago.  As I previously mentioned I had severe side effects from that 2nd jab.  

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    Hope you are ok now. (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 08:57:45 PM EST
    The federal minimum wage is 7.25 hr (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 11:03:24 AM EST
    A lot of people make 7.25 an hour.   I have made 7.25 an hour in the last few years since retirement.  I know how far it goes.

    Whatever happens this is the conversation we should be having.

    Romney and Cotton Propose Minimum Wage Hike

    February 23, 2021 at 11:47 am EST By Taegan Goddard 19 Comments

    Sens. Mitt Romney (R-UT) and Tom Cotton (R-AR) are proposing to raise the federal minimum wage to $10, but only if businesses are required to use the internet-based E-Verify system designed to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers, USA Today reports.

    "Although the measure which was unveiled Tuesday morning is unlikely to go far in a Democratic Congress pushing for a $15 minimum wage, the bill from Romney and Cotton represents the most serious Republican proposal yet on an issue that has emerged as a key priority for progressive leaders."

    Imagine the worst happens and it's 10.  Imagine what it would mean for all those people.

    This is a very smart hill to die on.

    The Biden proposal (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 02:08:11 PM EST
    increases the current minimum wage of $7.25/hr to $15/hr gradually, hitting the new minimum wage in 2025.   Senator Manchin who is opposed to the $15/hr wage has proposed a compromise of $11/hr, although it is not clear as to went that new minimum is to be reached.  

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    This is so insane. The demand for a $15 hourly (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 09:33:17 PM EST
    minimum originated as a crusade for a living wage about ten years ago, as I understand it. It's not even near that today. $15 in 2025? Cruel. $11? An insult.

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    No segue. 14 yr. old in PA who killed (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 09:49:21 PM EST
    her older sister must be tried as an adult?  

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    Romney/Cotten proposal (none / 0) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 10:32:05 PM EST
    even more insulting and cruel.

    Sens. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Mitt Romney (R-UT) unveiled proposed legislation Tuesday that would gradually raise the minimum wage to $10 per hour by 2025. But it would also require all employers to use the federal government's E-Verify program to screen out undocumented workers.

    Vox

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    My point was it is significant (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 07:02:39 AM EST
    that they have a proposal.   And additionally the status quo is so bad even their proposal would be a big improvement.   I was not endorsing it.  In fact I think it might help Biden get 15.

    I think we might know today, or very soon, if the parliamentarian says the minimum wage hike can be done through reconciliation.

    But I also think that has another interesting aspect.  Trump and Cotton.  Not that much in common.  The one thing they definitely do have in common is they have both tried to be a rational alternative to Trumpism.

    It's an interesting match up.  It's becoming clear much of the Republican Party plans to continue the Big Lie and even to run on it in 2022.  What people like Romney and Cotton and Liz do will be worth watching.

    I have to say I'm pleased and surprised that Cotton and my governor have become important anti Trump voices.   It doesn't get much redder than my state.

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    USNews (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 07:14:20 AM EST
    "The first step is to go before the parliamentarian. That will occur on Wednesday, Bernie Sanders and I are arguing very strongly for $15 and for it to be reconcilable," Schumer said at a Tuesday press conference. "We're going to await her judgment before we go any further."

    link

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    US has just turned into one (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 01:38:32 PM EST
    royally effed up country. I wish I could leave.

    Police drop charge against Black teen who was walking on Plano street during snowstorm

    There should have been no charges to drop. Walking home from work while black gets you arrested now? In Plano, TX. The Chief of Police's statement is pure BS.

    From HuffPo article. "Drain backed his officers, stating that at the time of the arrest they didn't know Reese's age, where he worked or where he lived."

    Pure unadulterated BS. The kid literally pointed to his house and said I'm going home. I live right there. Watch the body cam. This was a confrontation completely instigated by the cops. The kid said he was fine, he didn't their help and was headed home from work. End of conversation. But no, not in the good ol USA. We got to exercise our authoriteh.

    The wrong people are demanding to "take back the country."

    Adios... (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 01:52:49 PM EST
    Lawrence Ferlinghetti, the poet, publisher and political iconoclast who inspired and nurtured generations of San Francisco artists and writers from City Lights, his famed bookstore, died on Monday at his home in San Francisco. He was 101.

    "Poetry is the shadow cast by our streetlight imaginations."

    Never missed a chance to visit (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 05:07:11 PM EST
    City Lights anytime I was in San Francisco. SF is my second favorite city in the US. New Orleans is number one (best food and great people).


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    Us, too. Exactly. Any convention or other (none / 0) (#76)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 09:28:42 PM EST
    occasion to be in SF demanded a visit to City Lights. Once, maybe ten years ago, we were lucky enough to encounter Ferlinghetti, just sitting there in the corner in his favorite chair, watching over the operation. And agreed about SF & N.O. (Why do I want periods in one but not in the other? But that's how it is.)

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    Senator Hawley's ,(R.MO) (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 03:11:19 PM EST
    participation, for some shameless reason, in a Home Land Security hearing on law enforcement's planning and response to the Capitol insurrection he helped incite, suggests Mom and Dad Hawley blew their money on Josh's legal education.

    Hawley asked the former Sgt at Arms and the former Chief of the Capitol Police, who were relieved of their duties, if they were complicit as has been reported to have been said by General Honore.who Speaker Pelosi has appointed to investigate the insurrectionist event.  Both said no--not complicit.  Hawley proclaimed, see not complicit.  General Honore is not fit, he concluded, to investigate anything.

    Although, in fairness, Hawley looked like Clarence Darrow in comparison to Senator Ron Johnson (R.WI), who claimed the rioters were Democrats dressed up as MAGTs.  Boy, this guy deserves the award for the dumbest Senator, ever.

    Hawley (none / 0) (#68)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:31:32 PM EST
    needs to look in the mirror while asking that question.

    You are cutting Johnson short here, dumbest man from Wisconsin at least (what ever happened to Scott Walker?).  

    He called the mob "festive" I imagine he will soon be calling for Jan 6 to be declared a national holiday. Kind of a mashup between Bastille and Guy Fawkes day, celebrated by beating cops with flagpoles and hanging effigies of Mike pence.

     

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    You may recall that I called him (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Towanda on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 10:11:04 PM EST
    Senator Sunspots here, why back in his first run for the seat, based on an insane, anti-science interview even then.

    How I wish that Feingold had not prevaricated about running and had not moved out of state, coming back only to demand to run again. And our state Dems were a lot weaker then. We now have a strong leader who is ready to get rid of Sunspots.

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    Johnson & Johnson (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 09:02:43 AM EST
    They just (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 10:57:59 AM EST
    lowered the age to 65 in AR.

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    Good news for you Howdy. (none / 0) (#96)
    by fishcamp on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:13:47 PM EST
    Now you can start calling all the health centers in your area and beyond.  My roommate and I did that and soon I had two appointments and he had three.  We decided to leave a message after our first call, but continued calling each location until we got a real person.  It paid off.  Good luck.

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    Done and done (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:24:13 PM EST
    It really varies.  I called about 8-9 places.  Several said they will be doing 70 yo for about three more weeks.  The most promising sounded like maybe a week or so.

    This is of course not taking into account any increase in supply.

    I'm not that panicked. I was at Walmart this morning.  Not a single unmasked person in sight.  And it was crowded.

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    BTW they are so busy (none / 0) (#98)
    by fishcamp on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:26:09 PM EST
    that we figured out it was best to just state your age and the fact that you have underlying health problems.  They didn't seem to care what those problems were, but I think they just checked that box on their form.  Keep it short and simple.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:35:45 PM EST
    Most of the places I called actually know who I am, so, no, that would not work.  Pros and cons of small town living,

    I'm happy to let those with actual need go first.  I've seen the relief in some people who actually do have serious underlying conditions and were afraid to leave their house.

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    But the J&J is only about 66% effective (none / 0) (#85)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 09:57:13 AM EST
    which is much less than the Moderna or the Pfizer. Not excited about that.

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    72% (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 10:20:08 AM EST
    J&J's vaccine was 72% effective in the U.S. and 66% effective overall at preventing moderate-to-severe COVID-19.

    Is higher than anyone expected before the first vaccine.  I would be happy to get it.

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    Also (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 11:01:16 AM EST
    It is 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death.

    Just heard that on CNN

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    And (none / 0) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    the J &J  COVID vaccine requires only traditional refrigeration for storage and is stable for months, facilitating distribution and administration..

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    There are (none / 0) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 12:51:31 PM EST
    different criteria or expectations for a vaccine during a pandemic than during ordinary times.  The one shot regimen of J&J, along with its stability/more convenient storage requirements, give an advantage over the Pfizer and Moderna two-shot regimen at this point.

     J & J has tested, in trials,  the efficacy of a booster shot.
    Apparently, the second or booster shot provides more protection, but the efficacy and safety of the one-shot protocol is very good in antibody production, and importantly, in protection against severe infection--including hospitalization and death.  It may be that, eventually, a booster shot will be recommended several months after the first shot.

    These comments having been made, the availability of an additional safe and effective vaccine in the COVID treatment armamentarium is an extraordinary fete.


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    Apparently (none / 0) (#91)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 01:09:06 PM EST
    the flu vaccine is even less effective.

    CDC says this about the flu vaccine:

    While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine.


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    Why can't they (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 01:59:17 PM EST
    make a 90% effective flu vaccine?  To many strains I guess.

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    Because the flu is different each flu (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 02:01:06 PM EST
    season.  The vaccine makers are gambling.

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    I wonder how low the percentage is (none / 0) (#109)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 02:58:08 PM EST
    during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are not well-matched to the flu vaccine.

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    WebMD (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 05:18:30 PM EST
    On average, it's been 40% effective, meaning it's prevented illness 40% of the time. Since health officials started tracking it in 2003, effectiveness has varied from year to year, ranging from a low of 10% in 2004-05 to a high of 60% in 2010-11.

    I get the problem.  Speaking only for myself I would be happy to get more than one shot.

    If that would help.  Don't mind shots.  Hate being sick.

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    Golden Globes Sunday (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 02:28:40 PM EST
    I have not seen a single nominated movie.  That has not happened in a while.

    I've seen all the series except Ratched.  It's a good group but it might be Ozark.

    nominees

    We just watched "One Night in Miami" (none / 0) (#145)
    by Peter G on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 09:08:46 PM EST
    (free with Amazon Prime). Intense and thought-provoking exploration of attitudes toward Black liberation in 1964. Four (more, actually) excellent performances by the leads, including Leslie Odom, Jr. doing a superb Sam Cooke, and Aldis Hodge as Jim Brown (the football star; not James Brown, R&B performer).

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    Gym (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 04:05:21 PM EST
    George Clooney Producing Docuseries Alleging Jim Jordan Ignored Sexual Abuse Claims at Ohio State

    also

    "I didn't vote to overturn an election. And I will not be lectured by people who did about partisanship."

    -- Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) in a confrontation with Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) during today's House Oversight Committee hearing.



    No shots for me till at least April (4.50 / 2) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 07:21:36 AM EST
    I'm a few months from 70 so ... I wait.
    OTOH I live alone and enjoy my hermit lifestyle so I'm happy to let others go before me.  I've always felt bad for people who have no choice but go to some job in retail where they are forced to interact with 100 unmasked idiots a day.

    Of all Trumps crimes politicizing masks is the the most stupidly cruel.    And I would like to say a word for Chopped Liver.  On Trumps best day he does not deserve to be compared to Chopped Liver.

    Also Corona virus is not the most dangerous virus going around.  That would be stupidity.

    "By the thousands, U.S. service members are refusing or putting off the Covid-19 vaccine as frustrated commanders scramble to knock down internet rumors and find the right pitch that will persuade troops to get the shot," the AP reports.

    "Some Army units are seeing as few as one-third agree to the vaccine."

    I have never been comfortable with the gushing praise for the military that became fashionable around the rise of Reagan.  I grew up distrusting the military and anyone who did.  My feelings have never changed and from vaccine denying to white supremacy they are again showing their true colors.

    Anyone in the military refusing (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 11:38:33 AM EST
    the vaccine should written for an Article 15 violation (Captains mast in the Navy).
     That can result in fines and/or forfeiture of pay and restrictions to quarters. I was given a battery if shots in boot camp. No one asked if I wanted them. Order then to be vaccinated or they suffer the consequences. No one gets to squawk about their "rights" in the military.

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    The hospital systems have (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:51:52 AM EST
    been getting the majority the vaccine in the city/suburban area of St.Louis. Most of the people I know 75 and older, who are patients of a hospital system, have received appointments the last several weeks. I get my second shot Wednesday.

    Rural areas of the state are evidently getting more vaccine than they need since people who are having trouble getting appointments here are driving to areas like Rolla to get vaccinated. The county health department, which would provide vaccinations to our underserved communities did not receive any vaccine for 3 weeks even after they geared up to disburse the shots in quantity. They were finally scheduled to get shipments last week.

    We have a Republican Governor and I believe that partisanship played a part in how and where the vaccine was distributed.

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    Here it's pharmacy so far (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:56:42 AM EST
    I talked with all three where I'm on the list last week.  They all said the same thing.  April.  Maybe.

    That's at the current rate.  Which could pick up.

    It easy to see this.  Try plan  your vaccine.com for AR.

    69, no risk factors.  The last time I checked they did not even give an estimate because I'm in part B.  Or whatever it's called.  And we are still in A.


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    Most people I know (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 11:00:14 AM EST
    Have gotten at least one shot.  Some have gotten 2.  Most people I know are over 70.

    I was the youngest in my school class.  I was allowed to start early.  For some reason.

    I've always thought that was a blessing because I went to school with mostly the same people for 12 years.  And everyone in the next class was an a-hole.  

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    Just heard that a Walgreens (none / 0) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:33:10 PM EST
    In North County St. Louis has started giving vaccine shots. I think we are still in the 1B-tier 2 stage here in MO. Last data I read, MO is no longer dead last and we moved up 3 or 4 spaces.

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    Like room rater (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 07:59:08 AM EST
    I love the art in the background of live shots.  John Heilemann has started talking in front of this amazing top, side, front portrait of Hunter Thompson in a Marlin mask by Ralph Steadman.

    It's from my favorite Hunter book The Curse of Lono

    Room (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:35:38 AM EST

    Rater

    I'm watching Lindsey humiliate himself trying to "gotcha" Merrick Garland

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    My Sen Cotton (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 11:45:36 AM EST
    is having a very interesting conversation with Merrick Garland about the death penalty.

    Timothy Mcveigh came up.

    Interesting.  Cotton is good at what he does.

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    Do you now (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:38:15 PM EST
    Judge Garland (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:01:13 PM EST
    did an excellent job.   The Republicans were amazing, not in a good way.  Cruz was concerned that the DOJ would become politicized and weaponized as was the case in the Obama Administration.  Grassley seemed somewhat dazed.  Cotton was interested in equity V equality-- noting the use of equity in an executive order President Biden, whom they referred to as "Joe Biden"  The judge informed Cotton that the executive order in question contained within it the definition to be applied.  Hawley thought he had a gotcha the judge's "pause" regarding the death penalty, only to be schooled by the judge  in evolutionary development of thought based on long experience and concerns for equitable administration.  

    The Republicans acted as if that "last guy" never happened , save for all the good things Barr did.

    The Democratic senators threw some softballs, but many questions were very thoughtful bringing out not only Judge Garland's mastery of the law, but also his integrity and humanity.  Georgia Senator Ossoff brought out, on this tragic anniversary, the killing of a Black jogger by a father/son white supremacist team to discuss policing. Other senators focused on voting rights.

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    It was (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:11:02 PM EST
    Senator Cotton who as the question on the Oklahoma City bobbing/ death penalty it Hawley.  

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    Try again, in less of a hurry--- (none / 0) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:15:10 PM EST
    It was Senator Cotton, not Senator Hawley, who asked the question about the Oklahoma City bombing and the death penalty.

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    It's downhill from here (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:20:17 PM EST
    Geoffrey Skelley argues that a major theme for Republicans in 2024 will be asserting that the 2020 election was stolen, due to Republican leaders being "too much invested in the lie now."

    Related from the new USA Today/Suffolk University poll: Only 17% of Trump voters believe that Biden's election was legitimate.

    link

    There is no truth.  There is no shame.  

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    Hey, I love chopped liver. (none / 0) (#5)
    by leap on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:35:36 AM EST
    My Mom made the best. With chicken livers, pan-cooked with caramelized onion and garlic. When cooled, add in real mayo, fresh-ground black pepper, dill weed, and hard boiled eggs. Then grind it all up. Oh yummmmmmm.

    Please don't put Orange Anus in the same sentence with chopped liver. Maybe with slimy ochra or urine-scented beef kidneys...

    Ever have (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:39:22 AM EST
    Fried okra?  It's close to the base of my food pyramid.

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    Whenever our kids were acting up badly (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:45:35 AM EST
    my wife would threaten to make a sautee of squid and okra for dinner.

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    Boiled or sautéed okra (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:48:35 AM EST
    Is a very very different thing from fried okra.   That said, I also like it in soups.  Especially gumbo.

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    Okra (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 02:32:07 PM EST
    done bad is really awful. Okra fried or roasted is wonderful. I wouldn't touch okra my entire life until someone got me to try it fried.

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    Does frying take away (none / 0) (#19)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:29:28 PM EST
    the sliminess from the okra?

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    Completely (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:35:47 PM EST
    You can buy breaded frozen okra is the market.  But slicing it fresh and breading it yourself is a whole other thing.  Nothing like fresh summer okra.

    my mother made it slightly differently but this will work.

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    I use a moisture of flour and meal (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:41:32 PM EST
    More flour.  Plus spices.

    Deep frying it is common but my mother used less oil.   Like pan frying potatoes.

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    Closer to this (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 03:59:39 PM EST
    I use cornbread mix (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38:30 PM EST
    that has both corn meal and flour in it and soak the okra in buttermilk before I bread it and fry it. I got the recipe from Southern Living and my family wipes it out whenever I cook it, usually during the summer when you can find fresh. I have never had a whole lot of luck with frozen okra.

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    When I tossed my deep fryer (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 05:05:50 PM EST
    I learned that supermarket breaded frozen okra is pretty good made in my toaster oven.  

    Not AS good.  But a tasty easy side for sandwiches.

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    I first had okra when I lived.. (none / 0) (#31)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:30:38 PM EST
    in Okrahoma.

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    Yes (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:54:17 AM EST
    fried okra is wonderful and let's not forget gumbo, a gift from the gods in my book.

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    We made a gumbo (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 10:28:59 AM EST
    for mardi gras dinner last week.

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    I don't eat fried food, (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by leap on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:05:51 PM EST
    so no, I haven't eaten fried okra. The only way I eat it is pickled, and I actually do like it and buy that. Texas brand
    Delicious.

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    Kidney Pie = Cheeto (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 09:37:10 AM EST
    That works

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    A friends said a friend of hers (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:26:43 PM EST
    went to a vax site close to their closing time and asked if he could get a shot if there were any left over, and they said yes.

    Supposedly they thaw enough shots to cover all their appointments for the day, but some appointments don't show up and instead of just throwing the vaccines in the garbage they give it to whoever shows up.

    I'm not 100% convinced that the story is true, but there you have it...

    Very excited that I just got my appointment (5.00 / 5) (#116)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 06:50:04 PM EST
    for first dose (anticipated Pfizer, but could be Moderna) for Monday at 12:25 pm. Site is the main high school in the county seat, a little over 30 minutes from home. My wife got her first shot there today (Moderna); I went with her, both to support and in hopes that they would just say, what the heck, here's yours also. (No dice on that last part.) They were functioning very efficiently, with six nurses (I think) each giving a shot about once every six minutes. So about 500 a day at this site. Not exactly "mass vaccination," but not bad.
       Very relieved that we will now not have to use the appointments we had made for about a week from now at a Rite-Aid over 90 min away, which was the best we could find as a back-up plan in case the County Department of Health did not come through. But they did, with an email notice at 5:10 pm today to go to their website with a non-transferable code # in order to snag an appointment. We had pre-registered to be on that list on January 13.

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    I have heard (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:32:12 PM EST
    this in GA too. So I would guess that it is probably happening all over the country. Much better than just tossing the shot.

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    What happens if you can't the the 2nd shot (none / 0) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:36:52 PM EST
    when you are supposed too?

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    I'm fairly certain, that you are automatically (none / 0) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:43:08 PM EST
    scheduled for your second shot at the time you are given the first shot. At least, that is what happens here in MO.

    Also, from what I've read, it is not a big deal if there is a slight variance in receiving the second shot.


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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#40)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:53:06 PM EST
    that is correct (none / 0) (#44)
    by leap on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 05:10:56 PM EST
    When I received the first shot, I was handed a small card with my name, etc., and a sticker on it noting the first vac, what brand, batch, and date of jab. The medic who had administered it said, "Don't lose this! It's like a ticket to your second shot." He said to show up at the  same place and time as this one, three weeks from that day (which  was written on the card, as well). OK! I didn't have to go through the days-long/nights-long hell of trying to get that first appointment.

    As for delaying the second, a friend who lives in another part of the state had his second appointment cancelled because the vaccines were held up due to the bad weather back east. He was told the second Pfizer shot could be deferred up to six weeks without problems.

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    In San Diego, it depends on where you (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 10:55:19 PM EST
    got shot #1.  At Petco Park, you make appointment during the required 15 minute post-vax wait. At Grossmont, staff hands you a piece of paper with a phone # to call--you're on your own.

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    That doesn't look like a problem (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:44:55 PM EST
    If they were to take the advise of those who say vaccinate everyone at least once before giving second shots it might but they seem determined to not do that.

    So getting number 2 should not be a problem.  I know several people who have gotten number 2.  One was delayed a few days because of the blizzard.  Not a big deal they said.


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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:53:30 PM EST
    I was (none / 0) (#42)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 05:02:36 PM EST
    an alternate for a no show, and was given, at the time of that first shot, an appointment for the second four weeks later (Moderna).  That second shot was given as so scheduled.

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    This (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 08:27:23 AM EST
    Debate heats up over vaccinating more people with just one dose

    Debate is intensifying over the idea of accelerating the U.S. vaccination campaign by giving people just one dose instead of two for the time being.



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    My nonprofessional opinion (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 08:33:14 AM EST
    is this is a bad idea.  I think it sounds like something the Trump administration might have done.

    But there are serious people saying do it.

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    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 12:26:49 PM EST
    One shot of a two shot regimen is an expedient that will not only inadequately protect from the virus and its variants, but also, may impede or result in resistance when additional vaccine resources become available.


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    I'm glad that I get (none / 0) (#54)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 12:05:09 PM EST
    my second dose tomorrow. I'm not a fan of changing the protocol of the vaccine. Not even sure this change is really necessary as more vaccines are being approved in the next couple of weeks and vaccine producers have promised more product.

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    What vaccine are you looking at? (none / 0) (#129)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 07:00:55 PM EST
    If it's Pfizer, the wait time between doses is 21 days. If it's Moderna, you have to wait a minimum of 28 days. I had my first Moderna shot on Feb. 17. My next one is scheduled for March 18. The CDC's recently recommended guidelines suggest waiting no more than six weeks (42 days) between doses. However, studies are also showing that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine is cutting the rate of asymptomatic infections.

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    Our county Board of Health is scheduling (none / 0) (#132)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 09:42:02 PM EST
    all second shots on a strict 28-day basis after the first. No choices are offered.

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    The first person I knew who got a shot (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 04:46:28 PM EST
    Got called as an alternate when someone didn't show up.

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    NYTimes 500,000 dots (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 22, 2021 at 08:00:50 PM EST
    Vaccine increase (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 08:24:06 AM EST
    "Drug companies planned to tell lawmakers Tuesday that they project a major increase in vaccine deliveries that will result in 140 million more doses over the next five weeks, saying they have solved manufacturing challenges and are in a position to overcome scarcity that has hampered the nation's fight against the coronavirus," the Washington Post reports.



    TV (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 10:34:26 AM EST
    BANSHEE just came to HBOMAX.  it's a MAX series that I think never got the love it deserved.  Although there is 4 seasons.  

    IMO it's one of the best things ever on TV

    Two TV gems, The Knick and Banshee, are finally on HBO Max this weekend

    THE KNICK is also excellent.

    TL challenge. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 01:14:59 PM EST
    One week, just one, where no one posts stories or comments about the orange turd Mar-a-lago. I sooooooo exhausted by that ratf*ck.


    Had the first (none / 0) (#57)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 01:38:28 PM EST
    Because my wife works for Sutter health, that is our coverage. I called to ask about a vaccination, and they said, "Come on down!" So I did.

    My 100 y/o mother has Kaiser, and still can't get an appointment.

    We so need a health care system (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 09:25:02 PM EST
    It's not that we don't have a very good one. We have none at all. Never more clear than now.

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    A friend who had a heart transpant two (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 09:50:56 PM EST
    years ago and is a Kaiser patient:  not eligible until March 15 per California regimen.

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    Tiger Woods was in a bad one-vehicle (none / 0) (#62)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 03:12:11 PM EST
    accident a few hours ago. Supposedly broke both legs and is undergoing surgery now.

    Cable news coverage of this (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:17:10 PM EST
    is so bad.  They really are at their very worst when they have to just keep talking and talking and they know absolutely nothing new but they can't shut up.

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    Watching press conference (none / 0) (#71)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 05:23:43 PM EST
    on MSNBC now. Some of questions are just ridiculous. One reporter asked about the "crime scene." Geez louweez, it was an auto accident. Not a freaking crime scene.


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    The reporting, (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 05:42:11 PM EST
    single auto accident, SUV rolled, taken to trauma hospital, apparently limb but not life threatening,  in surgery.  More details later when more details are known.    Five minutes max.  So far, Ari has devoted almost all of his show to it, with experts speculating about speculations.The press conference includes such questions as describe the pain-- was he crying, screaming. Oh my goodness.

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    Nicole Wallace spent most (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 05:49:41 PM EST
    of her two hour segment on the crash as well.

    I had various appointments throughout the day and hoped to get more detailed information about the Senate hearing with the heads of the police agencies regarding the insurrection. Looks like more reporting on that is not going to happen while they continue to dwell on each and every molecule and speck of dust on Tiger's crash.

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    David Perdue, (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:00:10 PM EST
    who was defeated by Jon Ossoff, announced that he will not be a candidate for the Georgia senate seat in 2022,now held by Senator Warnock.  Perdue just filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission for that senate race last week.

    "After much prayer and reflection, Bonnie and I have decided that we will not enter the race for US senate in 2022".

    And, unmentioned was, in the interim, a golf outing and dinner at Mar a Lago with the "former guy".  It is not known if Bonnie joined the festivities.

       The former guy is determined to blow up the next Georgia election so as to teach his one-time toady, Gov. Kemp, a lesson for not throwing the election. Probably, the other defeated Republican, Kelly Loeffler, will give it another try.  After all, she has very deep pockets made all the deeper by her short term in the US. Senate.  

    Clearing (none / 0) (#64)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:06:10 PM EST
    the way for Marjorie Greene?

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    That is an (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 02:30:10 PM EST
    interesting thought though none of the GOP appears to want to run with her in 2022. Running Marjorie for senate would be a good way to get rid of her if the GOP is conceding 2022 and looking for a way forward.

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    Looking forward to it (none / 0) (#65)
    by Yman on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:16:44 PM EST
    My parents (89 and 90) just got their first shots.
     Not yet eligible, but they gave me an appointment for May 8th.  Kinda hoping something opens up before then.

    It is great that (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 23, 2021 at 04:40:11 PM EST
    your parents were able to get their vaccinations.

    They are not scheduling vaccinations in future months here.  The appointments are pretty immediate. Once you get notified that you are eligible, you are able to schedule your shot within the week.

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    Reconciling Infrastructure (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 07:37:26 AM EST
    Senate Democrats are readying to pass President Biden's infrastructure package through the budget reconciliation process, a recognition they're unlikely to get much Republican support for a potential $2 trillion package.

    Why it matters: The current $1.9 trillion COVID stimulus package, the first of the Democrats' three potential chances to use reconciliation, could be the easiest.

    link

    Smart (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 09:56:49 AM EST
    "We already knew that House Democrats were going to bring back earmarks for the 12 annual spending bills. But here's something new: Democrats are moving toward allowing earmarks on the large-scale infrastructure bill they're planning for this spring."

    "Allowing earmarks could make it easier to pass this bill. It could give lawmakers a chance to list the projects in their district that need federal cash, and give them more political buy in to the package. It will also push appropriations lobbying into overdrive. If you're a state, municipality or local government and you need an infrastructure project funded, it's time to get a lobbyist. Just like the old days in D.C."

    link

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    Watching Biden talk about his (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:47:56 PM EST
    supply chain exec order.  It's good but there's a point where he holds up a microchip.  He's making a very good point about shortages in small things having outsized downstream influence.

    But I know that probably before I finish writing this they are going to be having videos of him talking about him putting them in our heads.

    Just like this (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 03:50:26 PM EST
    Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 05:07:17 PM EST
    what has happened to our country? We've become a superstitious crazy country. Maybe this is always who we have been but never had the crazies with as large a microphone as they have now with talk radio and Fox.

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    I already am microchipped (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 08:32:19 PM EST
    according to the conspiracy theorists, because I got tested for covid with the loooong nasal swab. The conspiracy theory posits that a cheek swab would have worked, but the looong nasal swab was needed to attach a microchip to my brain.

    I have not checked in with my overlords to learn how the theory works with the anal swab used in testing in China. Some things, I don't wanna know.

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    Me, too! I got tested that way also. (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 24, 2021 at 08:58:49 PM EST
    Does that mean we can exchange private messages just by thinking of each other? You have a doctorate in thinkology, in fact, don't you, Towanda?

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    Ha, tell when you take off your tin foil hat (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by Towanda on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 10:15:54 PM EST
    that blocks my thnkological messages, and I will beam again.

    Just don't let the gummint know when you do so, or Biden will beam messages of kindness and tolerance and other crazy stuff.

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    It's tax season (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 09:22:02 AM EST
    The Manhattan District Attorney's office has now obtained former President Donald Trump's tax returns and related records, CNN reports.

    The records include "millions of pages of documents."



    Yikes! Millions of pages... (none / 0) (#110)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 03:39:02 PM EST
    This could take a long time.

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    When I heard that, my immediate reaction was (none / 0) (#111)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 03:57:31 PM EST
    "Document Dump." I would venture a guess that Tr*mp's lawyers chose to disclose what was asked for along with a much larger mass of documentation, possibly generally relevant, that was not asked for, thus hiding the smoking gun like a needle in a haystack. It's a ratf*cking trick that some lawyers use to comply literally, but not in spirit, with a disclosure obligation.

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    I heard a conversation about this (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 04:37:29 PM EST
    Not this.  Some other case, I forget, but the same idea.  To much information to digest.

    It was said new developments in AI make that a whole lot easier an quicker.  And that millions of pages are not really a big deal these days.

    I'm sure AI would not be commonly use yet but this is not a common case,

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    This (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 04:40:55 PM EST
    Good bit from one of those links (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 05:07:40 PM EST
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Thursday setting guidance for federal agency use of artificial intelligence in government decision-making.

    AI is used by numerous government agencies for predictive enforcement tools and by regulatory agencies to process and review vast amounts of data to detect trends and shape policymaking.

    Might be his one surviving exec order.

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    Jennifer Granholm (none / 0) (#108)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 12:35:05 PM EST
    was confirmed as Secretary of Energy by a senate vote of 64/35 (one not voting).  Secretary Granholm is a former two-term Governor and former attorney general of Michigan.  She earned a B.A. from UC Berkeley and a JD from Harvard Law.  

    My niece and her husband, both DOE engineers (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 07:27:16 PM EST
    working on international nuclear non-proliferation, are greatly relieved. Basically felt they had to keep their heads down for the last four years, in hopes that Secretary Goodhair would never find out what they do (he never did). Now they feel they can actually get back to work on helping to keep the human race from destroying itself.

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    No minimum wage in covid relief (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 07:03:23 PM EST
    Says the parliamentarian.

    This doesn't seem like the worst thing.  Why not make republicans vote against TWO popular issues.

    The Vice President, (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 09:19:38 PM EST
    as president of the senate, can over-rule the parliamentarian's ruling, which is a staff advisory opinion. While this is rare, the last time being by Vice President Rockefeller in 1975,  this might be a time to do it again.

      President Biden's position to honor the senate rules is noble, but it is unclear as why a vice presidential over-ride is not in keeping with the.rules or process of the senate.  These are not ordinary times economically or politically. Nor is the Republican Party a political party that deserves respect. The the niceties of process are of little importance to those citizens looking to earning a living wage.  And, the stakes for 2022 are great.  Results are needed fast.


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    I don't think it's republicans (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 09:35:05 PM EST
    he is worried about.  It doubtful the thing would pass.  Manchin and Senima what to be the center of attention.

    I think they may just forge ahead and pass the bill without the wage hike.

    They are just discussing this on Lawerence.  They agreed that the wage hike is unlikely to pass alone as is an end of the filibuster.  And then they agreed what they would almost certainly do is include it in some must pass bill like military funding.

    They did think it would get passed one way or another.  So do I.

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    Agreed, (none / 0) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 25, 2021 at 09:52:31 PM EST
    it will get passed,  maybe at a point less than $15/hr, such as $11 or $12.  And, that would be.better than $7.25. Manchin did suggest $11 at one point.. If Biden's worry is jeopardizing the rescue bill, "honoring the senate rules" is a good story.-- return to the norms. But, the minimum needs to be raised, through some procedure pronto.  Speaker Pelosi is keeping the increase in the House bill knowing of the parliamentarian's ruling.  Good politics.

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    That's funny. (none / 0) (#124)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 12:22:41 AM EST
    Jeralyn: "I was shocked that 293 people left Denver on one plane to go to Hawaii this weekend. What were they thinking?"

    Many of those passengers were probably thinking the same thing, when United Flt. 1176's starboard engine cowling failed and broke off from the aircraft a few minutes after takeoff from DEN. (Correction: the passenger load was 239, not 293.) The B-777 aircraft safely returned to DEN, and the FAA ordered all airlines to ground that model until they can be inspected.

    The only airliner mishap I've ever experienced was at Sacramento Int'l Airport in 2004, when the Hawaiian B-767 I was on struck a flock of Canada geese on our early morning takeoff roll down the runway in the fog. We could hear the birds loudly strike the port-side wing, and the pilot immediately throttled back and braked hard.

    Our aircraft was towed back to the terminal, and a preliminary inspection by Boeing engineers who were flown down from Seattle subsequently determined six hours later that the plane should be grounded pending further inspection.

    So while some of us were rebooked on flights to L.A. to make connecting flights to Honolulu, I was one of the lucky 50 passengers who were put on a motorcoach and bussed 100 miles down to San Francisco Int'l Airport to catch a late evening flight. I finally got home nearly 17 hours late but hey, it really could've been worse.

    Aloha.

    Mitch (none / 0) (#125)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 05:18:30 AM EST
    a couple of weeks ago:
    "Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty."

    Mitch now:

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday he would "absolutely" support former President Donald Trump if he became the GOP presidential nominee in 2024

    I mean it's not like he sent some nasty tweets or something.....

    From (none / 0) (#126)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 05:26:05 AM EST
    the in vino veritas files:
    Former Speaker John Boehner has been drinking red wine and smoking cigarettes while recording the audio version of his memoir.John Boehner has been going off script while recording the audio version of his new memoir, using expletives and asides not in the book -- such as the former Republican House speaker saying, 'Oh, and Ted Cruz, go f*ck yourself,


    The Day After Tomorrow (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 07:41:49 AM EST
    Remember that?

    It's not Roland Emmerichs worst movie.  That would be 2012 but it's some pretty silly stuff.

    But there was one central idea that is not silly at all.  It's something environmentalists have been warning about for decades.  

    so why would we be surprised in the age of Trump and Covid that it's actually happening.


    An influential current system in the Atlantic Ocean, which plays a vital role in redistributing heat throughout our planet's climate system, is now moving more slowly than it has in at least 1,600 years. That's the conclusion of a new study published in the journal Nature Geoscience from some of the world's leading experts in this field.

    Scientists believe that part of this slowing is directly related to our warming climate, as melting ice alters the balance in northern waters. Its impact may be seen in storms, heat waves and sea-level rise. And it bolsters concerns that if humans are not able to limit warming, the system could eventually reach a tipping point, throwing global climate patterns into disarray.



    And... (none / 0) (#128)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 11:06:26 AM EST
    MEXICO CITY (AP) -- The number of monarch butterflies that showed up at their winter resting grounds in central Mexico decreased by about 26% this year, and four times as many trees were lost to illegal logging, drought and other causes, making 2020 a bad year for the butterflies.

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    ... has likewise plummeted precipitously over the last few years, likewise due to overuse of pesticides and a loss of habitat.

    Fortunately, if you're a California resident, monarch butterfly habitat can easily be created or replicated by planting one or more of the six variants of native milkweed - not tropical milkweed, which blooms on a different schedule - in your yard or, if you're living in a condo, in planter's boxes and flowerpots.

    Milkweed is drought-resistant and relatively easy to propagate. My mother planted it when she xeriscaped her yard with indigenous plants a few years ago, and she's had plenty of butterflies visit the place and lay their eggs. Monarch caterpillars love to munch on milkweed.

    Out here in the islands, we've been looking for plants which are likely to attract local honeybees. Right now, because of the worldwide honeybee decline, Hawaii has become the largest exporter of honeybee queens in the world. Africanized and Asian bees have posed a serious threat to honeybees in North America. (Not to mention to human health, too). Due to our geographic isolation, and as long as we're able to keep the more aggressive bees out of our local habitat, we have the capacity to help preserve and replenish the continent's falling honeybee stocks.

    Aloha.

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    I tried growing some milkweed last (none / 0) (#137)
    by desertswine on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 11:18:05 AM EST
    year, but they didn't do very well.  Too arid I suppose.

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    I have read studies that have concluded (5.00 / 3) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 11:56:54 AM EST
    that you should only grow milkweed that's native to your area, and if there are no milkweeds that are native to your area then you should not grow milkweed.

    Because if there are no milkweeds that are native to your area then the area's environment is not survivable for milkweeds and it is also not survivable for the monarchs, and by growing milkweed you'd be attracting the butterflies to an area that will kill them.

    Two or three times now, over the years, we have had migrating monarchs fly up our canyon from the beach to the valleys. Millions of them. Usually around Easter. All day long for several days to a week or so. They ride the onshore air flows and fly as fast as birds. Millions of them.

    It is a stunning sight.

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    That must really be something to see. (none / 0) (#140)
    by desertswine on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 02:25:28 PM EST
    Try Buddleia davidii (none / 0) (#143)
    by RickyJim on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 05:44:39 PM EST
    Commonly called Butterfly Bush.  Mine is visited constantly by monarchs and swallowtails during the summer and fall.  It is easy to grow in a sunny location.

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    I'll give it a try.. I've been thinking about (none / 0) (#144)
    by desertswine on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 08:47:40 PM EST
    trying to garden again when Spring comes.

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    I wrote off Roland Emmerich ... (none / 0) (#131)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 07:46:19 PM EST
    CaptHowdy: "The Day After Tomrrow. Remember that? It's not Roland Emmerichs worst movie.  That would be 2012 but it's some pretty silly stuff."

    ... after "Independence Day." He keeps churning out the stinkers, and they keep drawing pretty good box office. With that track record, I figured he could eventually become the Max Bialystock of Hollywood, if he played his cards right. All he needs is his Leo Bloom.

    ;-D

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    Durham has resigned (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 26, 2021 at 10:59:25 PM EST
    My understanding (none / 0) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 06:49:17 AM EST
    is that he is resigning from his appointed position as AG but not special counsel. At this point he probably should resign from special counsel too.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 10:00:06 AM EST
    I guess this has been known.  Except to me.

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    The GQP is on the move (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 09:59:17 AM EST

    Madison Cawthorn is a d!ck but seriously?

    A sitting member of Congress appeared at a white nationalist convention Friday night, marking new GOP support for the racist movement. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) spoke in Orlando, Florida, at the America First Political Action conference, a far-right event meant to mimic the establishment Republican Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).

    After Gosar's speech, AFPAC organizer Nick Fuentes, who marched in the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville and was outside the Capitol with his supporters during the Jan. 6 riot, took the podium that warned that "white people are done being bullied." Fuentes praised the fatal riot as "awesome," describing it as "light-hearted mischief." He also mocked Gosar's colleague, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC), for needing a wheelchair, saying Cawthorn couldn't "stand up" for his constituents.

    "`I'm gonna take a stand?'" Fuentes said. "How? How are you gonna do that?"



    Real Time With Bill Maher (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 12:38:24 PM EST
    continues to disintegrate.  The opening interview with Megan Kelly was a debasement and distortion of important issues occurring in schools. Ms Kelly went off on transgender information brought to 8 and 9 year olds, as if they were being told, as she alluded, to becoming transgendered.

    Her ranting and victimhood appeared to be based on some anecdotal impressions, or "from the school", I.e., from some parents.  And, lots of whataboutism. Lou Dobbs and Don Lemon/Rachel Maddow the same just different ends of the spectrum.  Maher timidly pushed back as false equivalency, Dobbs living in a alternate reality. Kelly said she was not sure of that.  Bill was too ill-informed or lazy to do more. Not even that one side and not the other engaged in a violent attempt to overthrow democracy.

    Maher continues his disdain and impatience with COVID public health measures.  This disservice seems to be based on his restriction and monetary loss from not having his stand-up performances around the country.

    Last night's show did have a good panel discussion between Senator Jon Tester (D.MT) and Ezra Klein, but Bill added nothing.  Tester did agree with Ezra that the filibuster needed to be looked into. Otherwise, unwatchable.

    I stopped watching (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 03:25:53 PM EST
    and hardly noticed.  I have not seen the program in months.

    I can't even say it was because of things like this.  When he started standing in his yard it just wasn't funny to me any more.

    I suspect his audience has dropped and he needs attention.

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    I think Trump leaving the stage (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 03:40:43 PM EST
    has made more than Maher unwatchable.   I can't even have news on in the BG anymore.

    For example.  Would everybody please just STFU about f'ing CPAC already.   NO one cares.   The republicans now have only one way to own the libs.   Say the craziest sh!t you can possibly come up with and it will lead on every cable channel.   They only have this one way and cable news dances as fast as they can.

    Just stop covering these people.   Just stop.  If I see that stupid plastic statue again I will hurt my tv.

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    Well now CPAC (none / 0) (#146)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 09:34:16 PM EST
    is getting attention for its stage design in keeping with the shape of Odal Rune the Nazi SS symbol.   Matt Sclapp denies it being intentional ---just a conspiracy.  Hyatt hotels are being criticized for allowing such a design on its premises.


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    What an absolutely perfect example (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 27, 2021 at 10:07:47 PM EST
    of exactly what I said.  Of course it was intentional.  Now everything is all flustered and they will have something to gab about for a week.

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 28, 2021 at 05:20:44 AM EST
    see your point, but there is peril in ignoring the insanity. They blew off Hitler until it was too late.

    I think the trick is to not get "flustered", especially over the more silly stuff.

    These people, despite their insanity, still wield immense power and allowing their evil to fester un remarked on will do nothing to slow it down.

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    There's a very big difference (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 28, 2021 at 07:40:40 AM EST
    between not "ignoring their insanity" and covering every idiotic thing they say and do.

    To that point I have been watching CNN for about an hour with coffee.  I have seen the golden statue 3 times.   I have not seen the Nazi stage once.  

    They love outrage but they are to spineless to call out the really outrageous because, balance.  

    If they were less corrupt and more competent I would say you are right.  IMO as a group they do not have the courage or the skill to do what you suggest.  They sadly just don't.   If they did it would be a better world.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 28, 2021 at 07:46:10 AM EST
    while I admittedly have cut my cable news consumption a lot I have NEVER seen the Nazi stage mentioned on cable news.

    Have you?  Have you seen the Trump statue". Have you seen Ted Cruz screaming?  Have you seen a single story about the massive Republican push to suppress voting with hundreds (literally) of pieces of legislation?  I have not.

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    This (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 28, 2021 at 08:01:05 AM EST
    "The court on Tuesday will review the shield provided by the Voting Rights Act (VRA), first passed in 1965 to forbid laws that result in discrimination based on race."

    "The cases at the Supreme Court involve two voting regulations from Arizona that are in common use across the country. One throws out the ballots of those who vote in the wrong precinct. The other restricts who may collect ballots cast early for delivery to polling places, a practice then-President Donald Trump denounced as `ballot harvesting.'"

    "But the greater impact will be the test that the increasingly conservative court develops for proving violations of the VRA, as new laws are proposed and state legislatures begin redrawing congressional and legislative districts following the 2020 Census."

    Link

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    Sorry, one more (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 28, 2021 at 08:13:40 AM EST
    after this I will turn it off.

    Jen Psaki is on CNN.  the first 5 questions were on the covid package.  Not what's in it.  Not what it will do to help people.  The first question was (paraphrase) Biden promised to be bipartisan. What has he not done that.  Question number 2, will he change the bill to get Republican votes.  Number 3 will he ever do anything to be bipartisan...etc.  

    Ok, I'm done.  Back to Banshee.

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