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What "Religious Liberty" Used To Mean

Via CaseyOR, John F. Kennedy on September 12, 1960:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

[. . .] I would not look with favor upon a president working to subvert the First Amendment's guarantees of religious liberty. Nor would our system of checks and balances permit him to do so. And neither do I look with favor upon those who would work to subvert Article VI of the Constitution by requiring a religious test — even by indirection — for it. If they disagree with that safeguard, they should be out openly working to repeal it.

[. . ..] And in fact,this is the kind of America for which our forefathers died, when they fled here to escape religious test oaths that denied office to members of less favored churches; when they fought for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom[. . . .]

[. . .] Whatever issue may come before me as president — on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject — I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

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[. . .] I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition, to judge me on the basis of my record of 14 years in Congress, on my declared stands against [. . .] unconstitutional aid to parochial schools [. . .] — [consider] the statement of the American Bishops in 1948, which strongly endorsed church-state separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.

Today's Republicans and religious leaders have launched a culture war, and people like E.J. Dionne are applauding that war. Shame on them.

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< Disingenuous Dionne
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    I wasn't in the room, wasn't in on (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 08:50:59 AM EST
    the telephone calls, but at what point should Obama have said to the Bishops,

    "Look, I respect your beliefs, but I don't and can't answer to them; that's not my job.  I'm here to make policy and advocate for laws that empower people to make the best decisions they can for themselves, and preserve their ability to answer to whatever higher power or religious authority they choose.  With all due respect, there are Catholic institutions across this country who have been complying with EEOC regulations that have resulted in women employees and female family members of employees having coverage for contraception.  That you are choosing this moment to rise up and protest the contraception provisions of the ACA might lead me to believe that you see this as an opportune time to drive a political wedge, and turn millions of women into political footballs.  I hope I'm wrong about that, but in any event, I'm just not going to have it.  I've devised a way for the Church not to have to contribute to the cost of this coverage, but I cannot and will not allow you to use the law as a cudgel to force your female employees to abide by a religious belief they may not subscribe to."

    And, if that didn't work, why not go before the country and invoke the words of JFK and add a few of his own that build on that platform?

    It's not the job of secular government to assist any religion in corralling its members into obeying the laws of any Church, and unless and until that message gets out, we're going to continue to play political football with the rights and health of women.  It has to stop - I just wish Obama was the one who was going to take the lead on that, but I have no confidence that he will.


    He could also invoke Mario Cuomo (none / 0) (#2)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 08:54:04 AM EST
    who make a very public statement as Governor of NY that while his (Catholic) religion meant he would never promote abortion, he strongly believed in the U.S. Constitution's separation of church and state, and did not need public laws banning abortion to make it possible for him to be a good Catholic.

    Searching for a link....

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    Here is the link (none / 0) (#5)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:29:06 AM EST
    http://archives.nd.edu/research/texts/cuomo.htm

    Speech is extraordinarily powerful -- so much good stuff, I did not know what to excerpt.

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    Which part of the following, (none / 0) (#3)
    by Farmboy on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:00:01 AM EST
    [W]omen will have free preventive care that includes contraceptive services no matter where she works.

    is knuckling under to the Catholic Bishops and the right regarding the rights and health of women?

    You know (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:09:28 AM EST
    not everything is about President Obama.

    I'm pretty sure this post is not.

    Try again.

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    I agree with you - not everything is about Obama (none / 0) (#7)
    by Farmboy on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:29:58 AM EST
    Which is why my reply was to Anne's post stating that:
    "I just wish Obama was the one who was going to take the lead on that, but I have no confidence that he will."

    Not sure how it ended up one level higher in comments - it looked good in preview.

    Sorry for any confusion.


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    Didn't show up as a reply (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:35:15 AM EST
    Sorry for my confusion.

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    As I have said before (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 09:29:50 AM EST
    I disagree with the Catholic doctrine in this matter.

    But I cannot read the First Amendment without knowing that Obama is violating it.


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.