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Donald Trump Impeached for Second Time

Donald Trump has been impeached for the second time by the House of Representatives. The vote was 232 to 197. 10 Republicans voted with the unanimous Democrats.

There will be a Senate trial after Joe Biden takes office. No timeline is set.

So long as he exits the White House and takes his children and son-in-law and top current and former aides with him, I don't care what label America ultimately tags him with.

Questions: Will he spend the next week issuing pardons to himself and his family and Rudy Giuliani? Will the Trump Organization face a slump in revenues? Will every hotel he's licensed his name to change its name and stop paying licensing fees? Will Deutsche Bank call his loans early or refuse to extend them?

Where will Ivanka and Jared go now that it's pretty obvious she won't be taking Marco Rubio's seat from him anytime soon? Will they be sorry they plopped $31 million down on a plot of land on a tiny island in Miami? Will Melania and her parents and Barron go back to New York? Will Donald move to Dubai? [More...]

What will happen to the shrieking couple, Don, Jr. and Kimberly?

What happens if Donald Trump can't pardon himself, and having pardoned all his friends and children and in-laws, he's the only one in his crowd to go to jail? Will Kim Kardashian fight for his release when she's finished with law school? What if Donald Trump doesn't have enough money to pay for all the lawyers he'll need? Will Jared fund them or will he have to rely on Tiffany?

So many questions, so little time to answer them. The good news is in 7 days he will be gone from the White House and our lives.

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    Will he pardon (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 04:49:19 PM EST
    the rioters.

    Raise your hand if you doubt he would do it.

    If he does that (none / 0) (#2)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 04:54:25 PM EST
    he may seal his fate in the Senate. How could any of them NOT convict if pardons the rioters?

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    I ask this before (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 04:56:27 PM EST
    I was wondering if he did that is there anything at all that could be done.   Courts?  Breaking on The Wheel?

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    A mass pardon of all those who fall within (none / 0) (#5)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:14:06 PM EST
    a category of offenses committed in a certain time period and under certain circumstances is a form of clemency called an "amnesty." There is a long history of them in the U.S. (see in particular under U.S. Grant, and Jimmy Carter). I see no reason to doubt the validity if he does it. I am more concerned that he will lose interest in commuting or pardoning more ordinary federal prisoners, as he had begun doing a month ago, under the guidance of Alice Johnson and others.

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    Breaking on The Wheel (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:19:19 PM EST
    No Way Donald Trump Pardons Cop Killers (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:01:53 PM EST
    If it weren't for that I would say there is a good chance.

    Back to the embedded video, is it just me or is Donald's 'dance' moves look more like he is the center of attention in a bukaki film, and the song, good gravy, though I had seen it all.

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    I seriously think (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:17:20 PM EST
    there is absolutely no limit to what he would do.  He has no political future.  Even he knows that.  So there is no reason for him to even act like he gives a shi+ about cops.  Or anyone.

    He is going to be really pi$$ed. He is delusional.  There is no bottom.  He loves revenge  

    That all sounds like hyperbole but it really is not.

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    Also (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:26:14 PM EST
    there is a shrinking number of things he can do.  They won't give him nukes.  He can't even whine on twitter.  If he really really wanted to fu'k the country, check, and the republicans, check, and show his love and support for his fans, and check, what better way.

    It's the one thing he can still do.  See Peters comment above.

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    I Stick By What I Wrote... (none / 0) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:37:42 PM EST
    ...that whole crowd has been telling us for years about how great the police are and how much blue lives matter and how rioters should be locked up for a good long time...

    Trump rips that out and there goes his support and while he might never be a pol, he would rather die then not have a bunch of idiots think he is King Ding-a-Ling.

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    Well (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:47:11 PM EST
    it would definitely be ill advised.  For many reasons.  But most of the reasons involve some degree of rationality.

    Jus sayin.

    I think it's true it will seal his fate in the senate.  But I've been reading that ship may have already sailed and if I'm reading that so is he.  Or the people who read to him.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 07:04:25 PM EST
    they have been saying all of that but guess what? Today all but 10 Republicans voted that inciting violence against the police is okay.

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    And (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 07:26:57 PM EST
    There are going to be hundreds, maybe hundreds and hundreds, of charges that have nothing to do with the death of the policeman.

    Why would he not pardon them.


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    Philly Inquirer (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 07:47:50 PM EST
    I am friendly with Danny, who wrote that op-ed (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 08:29:43 PM EST
    Seems on target to me.

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    He's a smart guy (none / 0) (#15)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 08:53:37 PM EST
    Got a talking-head gig as a legal commentator, like Jeralyn used to do (with same qualifications: not just smart and well-informed, but quick-witted and articulate, and looks good on camera). He also volunteered a couple of years ago to take court-appointed cases in the U.S. Virgin Islands, even though his office base in the Philadelphia suburbs (like mine). Both of those moves have worked out well for him.

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    thank you Peter (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:09:36 AM EST
    but I disagree with him, especially this:

    While culpability may vary, ideology among the Trump supporters probably does not: it's a safe bet that the people there were President Trump's most ardent, vocal supporters. It takes a lot of enthusiasm for someone to travel to DC from places like Arizona or Florida just to attend a political rally.

    I think Trump got pawned (owned). The MAGA hats and Trump signs were as much as costume as the guy with devil's horns.

    This was a planned attack by an outside fringe group with ties to law enforcement, pushing for a new world order. To me, it smacks of Steve Bannon, getting back for being indicted and not getting a pardon.

    These are the same cop-aligned folks who showed up in Denver to agitate during the BLM protests. Our local news interviewed on for over 5 minutes. I was really angry they gave him so much air time .But his message was, we are armed, we are trained many of us are former cops ,we have tactical gear and arms and we will fight to keep our streets safe from these protesters.

    There is no way that ordinary rural malcontents carried this out. They were recruited because they are stupid. But the organizers are anything but. They played Trump and his supporters like a fiddle. How did the weapons and equipment and ropes and everything else get in if not placed in advance and staged with the help of a cop?  Why did they go into an unmarked Congressman's office, if not alerted to where it was?

    There is money behind this, and it smacks of groups far more right wing than Trump. I'd start with the hundreds of millions that went through the pass through corporations Jared set up. Check out the payments the Trump campaign submitted that went through American Media Made -- it is simply shocking that so much money can be hidden.

    (Sorry for the typos, it's very hard to see my laptop screen -- too small and not enough light.)

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    it's called (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:15:59 AM EST
    American Made Media Consultants Corp. and scroll through the unending list of payments.

    Also don't count out Brad Parscale, Trump's former campaign manager and before that head digital marketer, hand picked by Jared and trained by none other than FB who sent people to be embedded with them in 2016. i don't know which side the Mercer family ended up on, and I don't have the time to sleuth it, but any one of you can. Mercer, Bannon, Parscale, follow the money. I won't be suprised if very little is left for Trump by the time the responsible groups (whoever they are) are done fleecing him and Jared.

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    Not to Add Fuel to the Fire... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 08:29:03 AM EST
    ...but the 'squads' panic buttons were, and I am quoting, 'torn out' before the storming of the capital and no one was informed.  

    Repoorted by no less than Fox News.

    Newsweek

    "Every panic button in my office had been torn out--the whole unit," she told the newspaper, adding that the team could come up with no rationale as to why. The staffer said that she had used them before and they had not switched offices since then.

    She explained that, because of multiple death threats aimed at Pressley over the past two years, it had become routine for her staffers to run through safety drills. Pressley, as one of four progressive Democratic representatives in "The Squad," has faced racist attacks from Trump supporters.

    I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but low level flunkies don't remove panic buttons from Congressional Offices.

    AOC

    Even if one assumes this as some totally innocent oversight, how does the department responsible remove ALL the panic buttons from a highly visible member's office and NOT inform that member or their staff?

    Great question.

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    We know this was planned (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 08:35:40 AM EST
    And arranged by Trumps biggest supporters.  There were tours of the Capitol given before the riot by congressmen.  We know their names.  There were directed to unmarked offices.

    I think Trump and the organizers are the ones that used the MAGA yahoos to get the others in the capitol

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    Yep.. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28:50 AM EST
    Exhaustive, in-depth, Benghazi-like investigation about this.

    Hard to imagine how a few heads aren't going to roll.

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    2 more (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM EST
    names have been added to the suspect list Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene. I would love for Green to be kicked out of the Georgia delegation if it turns out that she had something to do with all of this.

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    Greene has announced (none / 0) (#24)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM EST
    she is filing Articles of Impeachment against Joe Biden on Jan. 21.

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    Then she's going.to speak (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 11:58:29 AM EST
    in tongues and make like Linda Blair with a crucifix.

    The power of Q compels you!..the power of Q compels you!

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    She is (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 01:38:55 PM EST
    a Qanon crackpot.

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    The lawyer for the QAnon shaman (none / 0) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 09:24:24 AM EST
    publicly petitioned President Trump on Thursday to pardon his client.

    source

    I doubt Trump will pardon him due to the fact that he doesn't meet Trump's dress code.

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    And that's the one thing... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 10:33:38 AM EST
    I liked about the guy...think he would loan me the helmet while he's in the can?

    Ya know I always dreamed the day the people stormed the capital it would be for a good reason...so disappointing like everything else in this new decade :(

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    Unless he gets his requested pardon, (none / 0) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 10:43:00 AM EST
    he will not have the opportunity to wear it for several years so you might be able to make a deal. LOL


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    NYC cuts all business ties (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:26:49 AM EST
    with the Trump Organization.

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York City declared on Wednesday that it will cut business ties with the Trump Organization, and at least two companies made similar moves, citing the storming of the U.S. Capitol last week by a crowd that President Donald Trump had egged on.

    Preordination (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 10:00:48 AM EST
    Noun. 1. preordination - (theology) being determined in advance; especially the doctrine (usually associated with Calvin) that God has foreordained every event throughout eternity (including the final salvation of mankind) foreordination, predetermination, predestination.

    "Somehow, it felt like the preordained coda of a presidency that repeatedly pressed all limits and frayed the bonds of the body politic. With less than a week to go, President Trump's term is climaxing in violence and recrimination at a time when the country has fractured deeply and lost a sense of itself. Notions of truth and reality have been atomized. Faith in the system has eroded. Anger is the one common ground."

    link

    The Scorpion & the Frog (none / 0) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 04:21:28 PM EST
    Trump Refuses to Pay Giuliani

    According to the Washington Post, relations between Trump and Giuliani have dramatically cooled. Trump has instructed his aides not to pay Giuliani's outstanding fees. The president is reportedly offended by Giuliani's demand for $20,000 a day - a figure the lawyer denies, but which is apparently in writing. White House officials have even been told not to put through any of Giuliani's calls.

    I'm no lawyer, but $20,000 a day seems excessive.

    Pardon me while I fall off my chair laughing.

    The rift with the president may sink Guiliani's lingering hopes of receiving a presidential pardon. Last year, Giuliani held discussions with Trump about receiving an amnesty over his work on the president's behalf in Ukraine.


    This too (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 04:36:04 PM EST
    Trump was found (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 09:33:54 PM EST
    to be in very good shape, according to Dr. Bornstein.  All his tests were positive.

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    Biden is no longer (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 09:59:01 PM EST
    taking the train to DC.  it never sounded like a good idea to me.

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    Just heard, they (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 12:25:18 AM EST
    Yes, that (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 10:53:48 AM EST
    was a worry.  Too many historical parallels for my anxiety levels --the  unsuccessful Baltimore plot to assassinate Lincoln on his train travel from Springfield to his first inauguration.

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    George Costanza... (none / 0) (#32)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 08:20:58 AM EST
    Not Really Surprising, But Very Surprising (none / 0) (#33)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 09:01:40 AM EST
    Capitol rioters planned to capture and kill politicians, say prosecutors

    The detention memo, written by justice department lawyers in Arizona, goes into greater detail about the FBI's investigation into Chansley, revealing that he left a note for Pence warning that "it's only a matter of time, justice is coming".

    "Strong evidence, including Chansley's own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government," prosecutors wrote.
    ...

    In Chansley's case, prosecutors said the charges "involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States government", and warned that "the insurrection is still in progress" as law enforcement prepares for more demonstrations in Washington and state capitals.

    They also suggested he suffered from drug abuse and mental illness, and told the judge he posed a serious flight risk.

    "Chansley has spoken openly about his belief that he is an alien, a higher being, and he is here on Earth to ascend to another reality," they wrote.


    So why is an alien interfering with a US election... um drugs, drugs are bad, mkay.

    The star of the show has already asked Trump for a mulligan.

    Jacob Chansley -- who is known as the "QAnon shaman" for following the QAnon conspiracy theory and being photographed wearing a fur hat, face paint and holding a spear -- has been charged with unlawful and violent entry of the Capitol building, as well as "active participation in an insurrection" to overthrow the US Government.

    But his lawyer Albert Watkins told CNN Mr Chansley was not a violent person and should be pardoned as he felt "he was answering the call" of Mr Trump by entering the building.

    "My client did not break into the Capitol, my client had the doors of the Capitol held for him by Capitol police," Mr Watkins said, adding Mr Trump invited him to enter the Capitol during his speech prior to the riot.

    Mr Watkins said Mr Trump "needs to be accountable" for encouraging the rioters, "and the only honourable thing for him to do for those who were peace-loving, for those who did go there with peace in mind, who weren't going there to be violent" was to "own" those protesters and pardon them.

    What is wrong with Mike Pence, these guys wanted him hung and they were doing it from orders from Trump and Pence doesn't think Trump should have been removed?  I will never understand republicans.

    Pardon me (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 09:38:20 AM EST
    The lawyer for the "QAnon shaman" who was part of the deadly siege on the Capitol last week publicly petitioned President Trump on Thursday to pardon his client, Politico reports.

    Attorney Albert Watkins told CNN his client, Jacob Chansley, "felt like he was answering the call of our president."



    This is also the guy (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 10:03:57 AM EST
    Who they say intended to take prisoners.

    Also he's complaining about not getting organic food

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