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Trump Indicted in Florida - 37 Counts

By Jeralyn, Section Misconduct
Posted on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:44:58 PM EST
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Donald Trump has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Florida investigating his retention of classified documents after he left the White House and then obstructing the Government's attempt to reclaim them.

People with knowledge of the Indictment say there are seven counts against him, including conspiracy to obstruct, willful retention of documents and false statements. [Update: They were wrong, he faces 37 counts]

It is a first for the United States. The first time a former President has been indicted for a federal crime.

Update: Trump has already responded on his social media platform claiming to be "an innocent man, an innocent person." That much is true, at this moment he is and will remain innocent, until he is found guilty by proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

He is expected to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday. More to come.

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    Seven counts (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:58:11 PM EST
    pride, envy, wrath, gluttony, lust, sloth, and greed

    At least (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 07:19:17 AM EST

    Two sources briefed on the seven federal charges against Donald Trump told NBC News they include false statements and conspiracy to obstruct related to retaining classified documents.

    One source noted that seven charges don't necessarily mean seven counts -- multiple counts can be associated with each charge



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    It was just pointed out on MSNBC (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    that one of the reported charges is conspiracy to obstruct justice which requires at least two people.

    God I hope it's Rudy.

    Might be (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 08:57:35 PM EST
    Mark Meadows. Witness claim he removed 1000s of documents on the last day at White House.

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    Hopefully (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 07:02:35 AM EST
    More than one.

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    When can we expect to see him.. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 09:37:39 PM EST
    in one of those jumpsuits?

    CNN (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 08:52:12 AM EST

    according to a transcript of the audio recording obtained by CNN.

    "As president, I could have declassified, but now I can't," Trump says, according to the transcript.

    CNN obtained the transcript of a portion of the meeting where Trump is discussing a classified Pentagon document about attacking Iran. In the audio recording, which CNN previously reported was obtained by prosecutors, Trump says that he did not declassify the document he's referencing, according to the transcript.

    Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this," Trump says at one point, according to the transcript. "This was done by the military and given to me."

    link

    Judge Aileen Cannon (none / 0) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 09:38:38 AM EST
    Is reported to be the judge overseeing the case, at least initially. Cannon is the judge, appointed by Trump, who was interfering in the investigate of the documents case and who appointed a special master to review classified materials.  The eleventh circuit stepped in and shut that all down.

    I think there could be some misplaced (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 10:10:49 AM EST
    glee that this has happened.  

    My non professional take is Trump gets a historically Trump friendly judge.   Great.

    She can not save him.   IMO.  but it might not be bad he could go down with a Trump friendly judge in charge.

    We should keep in mind other, more serious, charges are coming in DC.  And GA.

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    Surely (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM EST
    they must have anticipated this ?

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    A judge of (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    integrity would recuse.   Accordingly, she won't.  The government could appeal to the eleventh circuit, perhaps on the basis of a pattern of bias in favor of Trump.  Certainly, not just not on the basis of who appointed her.  It would still seem to be a heavy lift, but then the conservative eleventh.circuit did slap her wrists before.

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    It is unusual for me to disagree (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 11:18:49 AM EST
    with KeysDan, but here I do. Prior rulings in favor of a party are not grounds for recusal. Nor is the identity of the President that nominated the judge. If the case is assigned to Cannon she may step aside for appearance' sake, but she would not be required to recuse for any reason I am aware of.

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    Regrets, if I did not get (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM EST
    this right. My thinking was based on a motion of the government (Elouise Pepion Cobell v. Gale Norton, Sec. of Interior) to the DC Circuit for reassignment of a District judge who was felt to show bias.  The motion does acknowledge that it seeks such reassignment only rarely and with reluctance.

    Also, the llth Circuit, I understand, has in the past ordered reassignment where a judge's objectivity is called into question, such as in US v Martin.

    These may not be applicable in this case, and too,  as I mentioned, it would be a heavy lift in any event.  Thank you for clarifying and setting me straight.

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    Twice (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 11:19:35 AM EST
    Not a bad visual then or now

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    DOJ press conference (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 12:43:42 PM EST
    at 3 eastern.

    Here it is (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 09, 2023 at 12:56:09 PM EST

    Unsealed