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Labor Day Weekend Open Thread

The Rolling Stones and Axl Rose of Guns 'N Roses singing "Salt of the Earth." It's my favorite song for Labor Day.

Below is one of my favorite sculptures. It is in downtown Omaha, at the Lewis & Clark landing, along Omaha's Missouri River Walkway. Created by Matthew Placzek, it is the second-largest labor monument in the U.S.. Two-hundred-fifty tons of cement and 39,000 pounds of steel were used in its construction.

Larger version here. If you are ever in downtown Omaha, I highly recommend seeing it up close. The trail that leads to it is right by most of the major downtown hotels.

Enjoy the weekend everyone and if you are going out, please avoid large crowds.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Saturday (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 03:45:50 PM EST
    Great Minds (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 04:02:23 PM EST
    Was just going to post a Raw Story article about that parade. Hashtag #Dumbkirk has been assigned to the event.

    I'm going to link to the Raw Story post since the twitter responses are hilarious.

    Trump boat parade ends in disaster after multiple vessels sink in Texas lake

    Several boats have sunk on Lake Travis in Austin because they were being "unruly" and not following the rules, according to EMS. A bunch of people are having to be rescued. Guess what these people are doing? A trump rally boat parade 😐

    -- Jess. (@jessicarevils) Septe

    mber 5, 2020

    Trumpers not following the rules.  What a surprise.

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    Thanks, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 09:25:44 AM EST
    the "if the Titanic were today". Is too funny and too real.

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    The Titanic (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 03:51:48 PM EST
    tweet was, as you say, too real. I can visualize the interviews with people expressing those views just prior to the red MAGA hats floating on top of the water.

    This one was pretty funny. Countdown to the Q folks sending it out as real.

    Okay, who gave Antifa the nuclear submarines? Fess up


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    Last report (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 03:52:35 PM EST
    5 boats sunk.

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    Poor fellow, lost his beloved SS MAGAritaville. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by leap on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 10:11:12 AM EST
    My boat sank in Lake Travis.

    Some wag on twitter dubbed this Dumbkirk.

    Also, too, the Klannish Aramada.

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    Funny as all get out (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:52:13 PM EST
    Pretty sure it is parade but really great and hilarious. In the current environment, we need all the laughs we can get.

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    Should read (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 04:53:00 PM EST
    Parody not parade

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    Just saw a high school friend at Walmart (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 03:50:57 PM EST
    Paris Art Caper (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:06:12 PM EST
    Trump's cancellation of the trip to the American Cemetery in Belleau Wood, France to honor war dead because of "inclement weather" and despite the fact that no one in the history of the world loves the military more than him, left a hole in his busy Paris schedule.

    So, with time on his hands, Trump scouted the historic American Embassy in Paris, where he was staying, and found art work that he could not live without. Trump had a truck backed up to the Embassy and loaded a Ben Franklin bust, a Franklin portrait and a set of silver figurines of Greek mythical characters to be taken to Air Force One for his use at the White House.

    The caper has a Trumpian ending, however. The figurines were determined to be "20th Century fakes of 17th Century sculptures", and of little value.

    White House art curators found that the Franklin bust was a replica. The Franklin portrait was a copy of a Joseph Duplessis; the original, painted in 1795,  was then held by the National Portrait Gallery in Washington, DC.

    The curators subsequently borrowed the original Duplessis from the national gallery and that is the one that now hangs in the Oval Office, not the lesser replica that Trump took from the Embassy.

    fake news (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by leap on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 02:26:39 PM EST
    (literally)

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    He will probably take the fakes (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 02:34:41 PM EST
    To Tara Lago.

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    This is good... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by desertswine on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 02:57:20 PM EST
    The cast of "The Princess Bride" is reuniting for a virtual table read to raise money for the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

    ...if only Andre the Giant were still with us.

    I've always liked (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 03:57:44 PM EST
    The Princess Bride.  I used to have it on videotape but Daughter Zorba "stole" it (well, permanently borrowed it) when she moved away years ago.

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    A few more musical suggestions for Labor Day (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 06:53:28 PM EST
    > Woody Guthrie, Union Maid (performed by Pete Seeger, with chorus)
    > John Lennon, Working Class Hero
    > Hedy West, Cotton Mill Girls (my favorite banjoist and singer of the "folk boom"; performing here on Pete Seeger's "Rainbow Quest" TV show in 1965, with Pete singing a bit of harmony in the background)
    > Rolling Stones, Factory Girl
    > Joan Baez with Mimi Farina, Bread and Roses (Mimi was Joanie's sister)
    > Phil Ochs, Ballad of Joe Hill
    > Hedy West, Miner's Farewell
    > Almanac Singers, Which Side Are You On? (very early Pete Seeger, 1941)

    We can't forget (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 07:38:24 PM EST
    the many versions of John Henry by Lead Belly, Doc Watson, Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee etc

    And then there's my favorite eccentric sleeper pick, Hard Workin' Man by Captain Beefheart, Ry Cooder, and Jack Nietzsche.

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    The best white blues singer (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 08:22:14 PM EST
    They broke the mold (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 08:52:02 PM EST
    And that first comment underneath pretty much says it all.

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    Roth Vantage.. (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 08:53:05 PM EST
    When I was looking for that (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 09:07:13 PM EST
    I found this

    It's the best discussion I've heard on why Trout Mask Replica is a great work of art.

    There's an annoying ad but it worth it.

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    a little more (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 10:15:15 PM EST
    >Isley Brothers, I've Got Work to Do ("I got a job, baby")
    >Tom Paxton, Give Me a Job of Work (an unemployment song)
    >Billy Bragg, There Is Power in a Union
    >Joe Hill, There Is Power: One Industrial Union Grand (sung by Utah Phillips)
    >Dolly Parton, 9 to 5

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    And (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Towanda on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 12:23:18 AM EST
    Tennessee Ernie Ford's Sixteen Tons.

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    How May Day became Labor Day (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 02:47:57 PM EST
    Peter Linebaugh, my old next-door neighbor, filled me in years ago about how the international worker's holiday on May the 1st became our familiar September holiday..

    In 1887, Grover Cleveland and friends and colleagues decided to support Labor Day in September as a "less inflammatory alternative" to the traditional May 1st worker's holiday, which Cleveland feared would stir up memories of the Chicago Haymarket Square massacre/riot of the year before and possibly embolden the U.S socialist and anarchist movements that supported celebrating the international May 1st holiday.

    A little history retrieved from the memory hole..

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    But the rest of the world celebrates May Day. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 06:40:51 PM EST
    (Sigh!) It's probably just as well that they supported the less inflammatory alternative. "Workers of the world, unite! And head on over to your nearest Sleep Number store for great bargains this International Workers Day weekend!" as a TV jingle doesn't have that proper resonance, you know? It's just a real mouthful. So, good for Grover Cleveland to have thought that far ahead.

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    That Isley Brothers number... (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by unitron on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 02:29:23 AM EST
    ...is such a great song (which is pretty much the only kind they did) and somehow I'd forgotten all about it.

    Thanks for the reminder.

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    We might be rid of Dejoy soon (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 07:35:22 AM EST
    This illegal campaign stuff is pretty open and shut.

    Trump say he's ok with the "investigations"

    I doubt he makes it through the week.

    Cornyn (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 05:41:38 PM EST
    On Tuesday, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), a staunch ally of President Donald Trump, told reporters that the campaign finance allegations against new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy are "potentially a criminal offense."

    Cornyn added, however, that he doesn't think Congress has substantial jurisdiction over the matter and that "the appropriate authorities need to look at it."

    The state AG is looking at it.

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    I heard yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 05:43:45 PM EST
    That the statute of limitations (5 years) has run on any federal crimes.  But not for the state

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    I think I've seen that movie. (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 04:59:39 PM EST
    My cousin in Sonoma (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 08:04:01 PM EST
    Hard to believe (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 07:42:59 AM EST
    9/11 was 19 years ago.

    It's making me feel kind of.... old.

    I was out all morning doing errands (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 01:01:48 PM EST
    I was in several places miles apart but at every place I stopped there was an atmosphere.  In a word I would call it tense.  It is tense out there.  And it's just beginning.

    Every place I went was nearly 100% masked.  But there was always one.  Or two.  Maybe four in Walmart.  But today there were glaring at people.  I swear.  It was clear others noticed.  Did this go out on Facebook or something?

    Anyway I have to say its adding to the tension.  Almost to a person they have a look about them.  Like a cornered animal.

    I'm stocking my house.  I'm gonna try to not leave between Nov 3rd and .. whenever.

    I really think there could be widespread shooting violence before this is over.  I'm not worried they will win I'm worried they will lose.  And snap.

    Projection or confession (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 12:24:14 PM EST
    Michael Caputo, the top communications official at the Department of Health and Human Services, accused career government scientists of "sedition" in their handling of the pandemic and warned that left-wing hit squads were preparing for armed insurrection after the election, the New York Times reports.

    Caputo, who has faced criticism for leading efforts to warp CDC weekly bulletins to fit Trump's pandemic narrative, suggested that he personally could be in danger: "You understand that they're going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that's where this is going."

    More: "And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin. The drills that you've seen are nothing... If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it's going to be hard to get."



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    Giuliani is a traitor... (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 04:18:19 PM EST
    A Ukrainian parliamentarian who has supplied Rudy Giuliani with information intended to smear Joe Biden has been "an active Russian agent for over a decade," according to the US Treasury Department. On Thursday, Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control placed the official, Andriy Derkach, on a list of "Russia-linked election interference actors" and slapped him with financial sanctions.

    Why isn't he in prison?  The trumpites are reprehensible people.

    The fires in Oregon (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 09:00:47 AM EST
    have destroyed the small town of Blue River and burned all the trees on my land eight miles upstream.  My grandparents homesteaded there over 100 years ago.  There was a beautiful lodge type cabin, but the state took 300 acres from us years ago to build a dam and tore it down.  They tried to condemn the land, but my father had gone to college with the governor and I believe words were spoken and money changed hands.  My cousins and I still own various amounts of that burned land.  Homesteaders received 640 acres, one square mile, of land back then.  It was an amazingly beautiful area east of Eugene up the McKenzie river.  Very sad.

    My daughter lives in Portland, which (none / 0) (#161)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 08:55:54 PM EST
    currently has the worst air in the world, this side of Hades.  To help combat the bad air inside the house, they set up a couple of box fans, and have attached a furnace filter in front of each fan, so the air has to pass through each filter.  They say it really helps.  

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    I really don't understand (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 09:26:04 AM EST
    Why cable news keeps giving Rudy a platform.  I really don't.  It enrages me.  Cuomo, who is IMO always unwatchable, gave him the whole show last night.

    Right now he is on MSNBC spewing the same lies and BS.

    I feel like sending a sternly worded email to both networks

    WTF ARE YOU THINKING?

    Truly (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 10:13:49 AM EST
    Having Rudy the Russian asset on to spew propaganda is about as worthwhile as having Kellyanne on.

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    Kamala Harris (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 09:53:13 PM EST
    Loves her tennies and this makes me like her even more.

    HuffPo

    I watched a show on PBS yesterday... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 01:36:55 AM EST
    It was a documentary - Rick Steve's Fascism in Europe. It was simplistic but seemed horrifyingly relevant to the US today, especially the part about the rise of fascism.  I belive that we're teetering on the edge.

    Scientific American endorses... (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 12:30:08 PM EST
    Smokin' Joe Biden.

    Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.

    The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people--because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.

    Scientific American link

    Former Wisconsin Governor (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 02:30:55 PM EST
    Scott Walker is, reportedly, serving as debate advisor to Pence, including as stand-in for Senator Kamala Harris. Maybe, Mother would not permit Pence to have a woman in that debate preparation role.

    The Pence/ Senator Kaine debate in 2016 was, essentially, a surrogate event for Trump and Secretary Clinton with little discussion of the two vice-presidential candidates themselves.  

    Hopefully, the Harris/Pence event will allow Senator Harris to compare and contrast herself with the fanaticism and ineptness of Pence, his role in the Trump Administration as a Trump's "fourth wife", and, as with Trump, is unfit for the office of Vice President, and, certainly, that of president.

    I can't imagine (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 04:01:17 PM EST
    Walker being a very effective stand in. They should find a former prosecutor to be the guinea pig. I guess that is good for us though.

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    Can I just say (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2020 at 10:29:51 AM EST
    I am sick to death of idiot bobble heads "trying to understand the Trump voter"
    I get that Biden has to give it lip service but cable news does not.  

    I understand them.  Really.  I do.  Just stop.  

    Please, for the love god stop putting these mouth breathing morons on tv so they can whine about how mean people are to them for cultishly following an hateful insane racist strong man wanna be responsible for thousands of dead Americans.

    Just stop.

    Me too. (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 18, 2020 at 04:47:07 PM EST
    And their white grievance rants on social media about how they are the ones that ignored, the only people that work in this country etc. etc.

    The true "silent majority" are Hillary voters (ignored by the media for years) who are going to show up and vote for Biden, walk precincts for Biden and donate to Biden. The people the press has completely ignored for years. But we don't mind. We will just shock the numbskulls when the results start coming in election day.

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    This would be unbelievable (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 09:29:08 AM EST
    If it was anyone else.  

    "Before Donald Trump ever sought the Oval Office, he was preoccupied by its occupant President Barack Obama, publicly questioning his birthplace and privately describing him as `a Manchurian candidate' who obtained his Ivy League degrees only by way of affirmative action, according to a new book by Trump's former attorney, Michael Cohen," CNN reports.

    "Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a `Faux-Bama' to participate in a video in which Trump `ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him.'"

    "Cohen's book, Disloyal: A Memoir, doesn't name the man who was allegedly hired to play Obama or provide a specific date for the incident, but it does include a photograph of Trump sitting behind a desk, facing a Black man wearing a suit with an American flag pin affixed to the lapel. On Trump's desk are two books, one displaying Obama's name in large letters."



    This Cohen (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:02:01 PM EST
    book is gonna be lit. He knows everything and apparently is going to tell all.

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    He'd better be careful (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Zorba on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 03:54:16 PM EST
    About drinking tea.

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    Goldberg says (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 04:13:14 PM EST
    it's the tip of the iceberg

    And this

    "We have more surprises in store next week."

    -- Anthony Scaramucci, on Twitter.



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    Who knows what Mooch means (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 04:17:54 PM EST
    But I read speculation that Cohen has proof.  If he does I would expect it to be audio recordings.

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    Oh, you know (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 06:42:25 PM EST
    Cohen has proof. He released one recording when it came to Stormy Daniels.

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    Not NOT to get famous (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:04:04 PM EST
    Type this name into google search

    Austin J. Cordis



    Melanie hangs (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 02:21:30 PM EST
    the presidential. Medal of Freedom.  around Austin's red neck  in....3, 2, 1.

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    He say (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 08:51:51 PM EST
    it was vandals

    I'm sure that will stop the death threats

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    1619 (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 04:09:18 PM EST
    President Trump said Sunday that the Department of Education is examining the use of the New York Times Magazine's 1619 Project in schools, and warned that institutions that teach this alternative narrative of American history could lose federal funding.

    link

    President Tangerine has gone full-out (none / 0) (#32)
    by desertswine on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 11:17:13 PM EST
    Jeff Davis.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 07:43:26 AM EST
    Trump accusing the leadership (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 07:16:56 PM EST
    Of the pentagon of being war profiteers doesn't seem likely to help him get their support in the whole stealing the election thing.

    On top of everything else

    "I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy," Trump told reporters at a White House news conference.



    He's wrong again. That's not why the top brass (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 10:17:41 PM EST
    want to keep fighting wars. Profits for their rich friends (and donors) is why members of Congress (of both parties, alas) love giant and every-increasing military budgets (of the sort that Tr*mp keeps proposing, promoting and touting). Even the one thing he's right about (the desirability of ending these endless wars), he can't get right.

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    Let's not give him credit for (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 07:17:03 AM EST
    "Desiring the end of endless wars"

    Like everything else it's a meaningless Orwellian slogan.

    Nothing makes him happier than selling bombs and planes.

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    The moon is shining red tonight.. (none / 0) (#38)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 01:26:59 AM EST
    The West is burning up.

    However, a cold front coming in the next couple of days is supposed to blow the smoke away.

    Salon (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 03:11:45 PM EST
    On Monday night, the New York Times published an article so satisfying that it felt almost pornographic, about how the Trump campaign has burned through most of that Death Star cash, with little to show for it -- except, of course, when it comes to the bank accounts of the Trump family and their ancillary leeches.

    It appears much of the problem was the way that Trump himself, along with Parscale, the Trump's family and other associates, treated the campaign as a personal piggybank. Trump paid his family's enormous legal bills with campaign cash. Money was routinely spent to fluff Trump's ego, as with the reported $11 million spent on Super Bowl ads. Nearly a third of the cash was routed through "a single limited liability company linked to Trump campaign officials." The partners of Trump's two sons are literally on the payroll. Trump's own incompetence is also a factor, leading to massive losses as he impulsively switched the Republican convention from Charlotte to Jacksonville to and then, effectively, to Washington. And the campaign spent far more money on fundraising than is typical, suggesting that Parscale was more interested in bragging about his Death Star than making it run efficiently.

    Say what you will about Darth Vader, but at least he didn't destroy the Empire by greedily sucking all its resources dry so nothing was left to fight the rebels.

    Death Star blows itself up: Trump ran his campaign finances like his businesses -- into the ground
    It's no surprise that Trump's campaign is a giant grift. But will his donors keep pouring good money after bad?



    Bad time for money problems (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 04:47:35 PM EST
    Barr is happy to help

    The U.S. Justice Department is seeking to take over the defense of President Trump in a defamation suit brought by advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, who claims Trump raped her two decades ago, Bloomberg reports.

    In a court filing Tuesday, the Justice Department said Trump was acting "within the scope" of his job as president when he said Carroll lied about the incident, prompting her lawsuit.

    link

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    Absolutely within the official responsibilities (none / 0) (#45)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 08:58:51 PM EST
    of the President of the United States to falsely deny allegations that he engaged in criminal conduct before becoming president. A President must at all times be devoted to maintaining the dignity of the office, after all, and thus ensure that no one would ever think that he had done anything wrong. Totally logical.

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    Can they do this? (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 09:40:27 PM EST
    I mean legally ?

    It sounds completely nuts.

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    Yes, it is - in theory - a totally normal (none / 0) (#47)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 10:54:45 AM EST
    procedural move for DoJ under the Federal Tort Claims Act, and -- if not rejected by the judge -- may result in dismissal of a case that could otherwise have proceeded. (The linked document is a Congressional Research Service report that will tell you more than you would ever want to know about this general subject. Search for "Attorney General Certification".)

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    Actually, I think Barr's point is ... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 04:56:27 PM EST
    ... that we should always assume that this president's motives are at once perpetually noble, altruistic and above reproach, and that he is simply incapable of such egregious conduct -- and shame on those of us who think and believe otherwise. After all, if a president does it, that means it's not illegal.

    You know, I think I heard that once before, sometime earlier in this life.

    ;-D

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    Heh. "The Death Star." (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 02:52:05 PM EST
    How different the Star Wars franchise might have turned out, had the Death Star not been blown up by Luke Skywalker at the end of the first movie in 1977 but rather, had been laid up and left to decay indefinitely in some inter-galactic dry dock, after it was belatedly discovered by Imperial auditors that Darth Vader had been defrauding the Empire by transferring the monthly cash balance of the Imperial fleet's operating and maintenance funds to a private bank account in the Cayman Islands.

    ;-D

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    Bob Costa (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 11:00:54 AM EST
    Is on MSNBC talking about the new Woodward book.

    He says that Woodward has audio recordings of Trump discussing the Corona virus.  That he knew and discussed that it was really really bad, that it was airborne specifically, that it is much worse than the flu.

    This should leave a mark.

    Just imagine if ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 02:25:01 PM EST
    ... the Washington Post's late editor Ben Bradlee had told Bob Woodward back in the summer of 1972 to save it all for a book. We would've likely never learned about President Nixon's involvement in the Watergate affair until the waning months of his second term.

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    The stuff about Kim (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 11:05:48 AM EST
    Is incredible.  It will be headlines for weeks.

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    WaPo (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 11:19:09 AM EST
    jeebus (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by leap on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 11:32:16 AM EST
    What on earth will it take to take down this monster and his cult-followers?

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    They are playing these tapes (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 11:37:28 AM EST
    On MSNBC

    it's mind boggling

    At the very time he was saying it was a hoax

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    Boggling (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 12:15:48 PM EST
    I don't see how some of this behavior is not criminal.  Criminally negligent?
    They ALL knew.  In February.

    200,000 people are dead.

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    Bob Woodward, also, too (none / 0) (#54)
    by leap on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 01:40:03 PM EST
    He sat on those tapes for six months while he got his book together. He's culpable, too. He did nothing. Well, he wrote his opus. But certainly a "journalist" is able to write a book and release this horrifying information for the public good, no? Guess not. Gotta save the good parts for the publication. Meanwhile, 200,000 lives lost.

    And anyone else who knew about this. They are all monsters.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 02:56:30 PM EST
    and the same for the guy from the NYT that sat on info for 3 years waiting for his book to be published.

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    Reckless (none / 0) (#64)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 04:25:20 PM EST
    endangerment.

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    Post presidency (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 04:37:57 PM EST
    Class action?

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    Poor Michael Cohen. This is going to take (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 03:01:18 PM EST
    all the air out of the room that he thought he had the center of, based on his book released yesterday.

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    Michael Cohen (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 03:32:18 PM EST
    should continue to be happy.  After all, he lucked out by getting a publisher to go with a tell-all book that has, pretty much, all been told---under oath in congressional hearings and in open court.

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    I thought (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 03:42:17 PM EST
    the same thing. Probably planned that way.

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    WaPo has no paywall on (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 02:59:31 PM EST
    any coverage that they deem related to COVID-19.

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    Sen Kennedy is on (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 03:29:33 PM EST
    Defending Trump.  It's something.  It will be much replayed.

    He really should have out his teeth in while he was on air.

    PUT (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 03:30:14 PM EST
    his TEETH in

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    Hardly getting mentioned (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 09, 2020 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    Is that Trump want to put Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court  

    RIP Mrs. Peel. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 03:44:33 PM EST
    Diana Rigg dead at 82. The Avengers was one of my favorite TV shows.

    Ahhhhh (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 04:11:41 PM EST
    Makes me sad.

    Lady Olenna was my second favorite tv character

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    I had the biggest crush (none / 0) (#73)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 06:29:57 PM EST
    on Diana Rigg as Mrs. Peel in The Avengers, when I was 15-16.

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    For me (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 07:32:33 PM EST
    It was totally the leather.  Tho I don't think I knew that at the time

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    When I was a kid... (none / 0) (#78)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 01:07:40 AM EST
    This is (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 07:33:33 PM EST
    Who wants to die for tribalism!? (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 07:46:47 PM EST
    Democrats are amassing an enormous lead in early voting, alarming Republicans who worry they'll need to orchestrate a huge Election Day turnout during a deadly coronavirus outbreak to answer the surge.

    The Democratic dominance spreads across an array of battleground states, according to absentee ballot request data compiled by state election authorities and analyzed by Democratic and Republican data experts. In North Carolina and Pennsylvania, Democrats have a roughly three-to-one advantage over Republicans in absentee ballot requests. In Florida -- a must-win for President Donald Trump -- the Democratic lead stands at more than 700,000 ballot requests, while the party also leads in New Hampshire, Ohio and Iowa.

    Politico

    So, in response, the Wisconsin Supreme Court (none / 0) (#77)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 10, 2020 at 10:28:17 PM EST
    Republican justices just screwed up another election, invalidating all mail ballots, already printed-- with only a week to go to the deadline for all ballots to be in the mail.

    And almost 490,000 already have gone out, so those voters would get a second ballot . . . and we can see the screams of voter fraud to come from a confused electorate.

    The Republican majority on the court overruled the Election Commission's ruling that the Green Party would not be on the ballot.

    After all, the Green Party got Jill Stein more votes in Wisconsin in 2016 than the margin that won the state for Trump.

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    I saw that (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 07:14:48 AM EST
    My first reaction was not rage at the conservative judges.   They are just doing what they do and what's expected.

    My first thought was the GD f'ing idiot Green Party morons are going to F us again.

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    Dems share some of the blame (none / 0) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 11:56:59 AM EST
    The Democratic Party has never instilled the seriousness of nominating judges in the thought process of many of their voters. Also, Obama seriously lagged behind in nominating judges during the time he held majorities in Congress. It was one of the criticism of his administration at the time.

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    Not relevant (none / 0) (#82)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 12:09:56 PM EST
    This, again,  is the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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    The same principle applies (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 12:50:49 PM EST
    For the states. Republicans take judgeships more seriously and as a whole do a much better job packing the courts at all levels when they have the opportunity.

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    Good news (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 06:00:26 PM EST
    Green Party Will Not Appear on Wisconsin Ballot

    September 14, 2020 at 6:56 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments

    "The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Monday that the Green Party presidential ticket is ineligible to appear on the state ballot, a relief for state and local election officials who feared an addition at this late date would upend election preparations," the Washington Post reports.

    WaPo

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    We are due for a decision on a similar case (none / 0) (#133)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 11:30:12 PM EST
    regarding the Green Party spoilers trying to get onto the ballot in Pennsylvania, within the next couple of days.

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    I HOPE (none / 0) (#137)
    by jmacWA on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 04:52:23 AM EST
    It's not the same judge who just ruled Wolf's closings in PA to be unconstitutional.  The GOP in this state is just insane.

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    My understanding is that the Green Party (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 11:16:42 AM EST
    case is before the state Supreme Court. So, I am not too concerned about it. Yesterday's decision from the crazy Tr*mp-appointed judge in Pittsburgh has less than a 50-50 chance of surviving appeal to the federal appeals court in Philadelphia ("Third Circuit").

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    Green Party slate NOT qualified for PA ballot (5.00 / 4) (#155)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    says the state supreme court this morning. Vote was 5-2 (guess which justices dissented, by party affiliation?). Here's the actual opinion.

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    And in a second opinion, also today (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 02:24:29 PM EST
    the PA supreme Court rules that official drop-boxes are legal for submission of "mail-in" ballots (giving PA a sort of "early voting" for the first time), that mailed ballots can be counted if they arrive by Friday after Election Day, so long as they are post-marked by Tuesday (or if the postmark is illegible - doubt goes to validity if arrival is by Friday), and that the requirement that poll watchers be residents of the county is valid (no Upstate goons coming down to challenge and intimidate voters of color in Phila, as had been threatened). Only things the D's asked for that the court did not grant was that "naked" mail-ins (lacking the outer security envelope) must not be counted. D's wanted all ballots to count absent affirmative evidence of fraud. And the court upheld the law that each person must deliver their own ballot (fear of "ballot harvesting," which has been associated here with fraud). Overall a big boost to Blue chances in Pennsylvania.

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    To be more clear, it was only the Green Party (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    presidential ticket that was stricken. I believe they have down-ballot candidates who are properly qualified. I hope so, anyway, as I would like to vote for the Green candidate for state Attorney General, who supports my idea of criminal legal reform (formerly known as "criminal justice reform"), over either of the "crime fighter" candidates running for the R & D parties.

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    I should have mentioned, that (none / 0) (#149)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 08:42:29 PM EST
    the Pittsburgh decision supposedly invalidating the Governor's orders (which have helped PA achieve one of the nation's lowest infection rates) only applies in three smaller Western counties of PA (the plaintiffs), and the decision is contradicted by the ruling of a different (more experienced and less "political") (Clinton-appointed but Republican) federal judge who sits in Philadelphia.

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    Thanks Peter (none / 0) (#152)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 16, 2020 at 04:18:46 AM EST
    I guess it's lucky for us we are on the east side of the state ;-)

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    You can say that again. (5.00 / 3) (#156)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 17, 2020 at 01:48:39 PM EST
    I believe Tom Wolf and Rachel Levine have done an excellent job trying to manage COVID-19 in PA. I say "trying" because of the large number of orange cultists around York and Adams counties. They may be over in Lancaster as well, but I haven't been over that way in a few months. If these idiots had just gone along with the program (masks, distancing, shutdowns) from the start, the entire thing would under control already and we could be back to semi-normal. But no, they have fought everything from the get go and exacerbated the entire ordeal.

    I had to take a drive Tuesday down to Leesburg, VA by way of Adams County. I am happy to report a lot more Biden signs now in front yards and along the roadways. Orange doofus still outnumbers, but good to see Biden/Harris support.

    I would support Tom Wolf for a 3rd term if he could run again.

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    Ouch (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 02:17:06 PM EST
    A retired judge appointed to review the Justice Department's motion to drop charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn said on Friday that calling the agency's actions "irregular," which he did in June, "would be a study in understatement," Axios reports.

    Said Judge John Gleeson: "In the United States, Presidents do not orchestrate pressure campaigns to get the Justice Department to drop charges against defendants who have pleaded guilty -- twice, before two different judges -- and whose guilt is obvious... There is clear evidence that this motion reflects a corrupt and politically motivated favor unworthy of our justice system."

    Axios

    Durham's #2 just resigned (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 02:23:05 PM EST
    September 23--Hold that date. (none / 0) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 03:19:14 PM EST
    The National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, on September 23, will present to its Speaker, Attorney General Barr, the Christifideles Laici Award (L. faithful Christian Laity). The award is given to a lay person whose work "exemplifies" the teaching of the Catholic Church and to "help highlight those good works and those who serve the Church".

    The Association of US Catholic Priests, the largest group of US priests, has called the award "scandalous" and should be reversed. It won't be. Perhaps, the groups could split the difference with re-branding--- The Christofascist Laici Award.

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    IMO (none / 0) (#92)
    by jmacWA on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 05:24:26 AM EST
    John XXIII must be rolling over in his grave over things like this.

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    Kill it (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 06:58:19 PM EST

    "Democratic insiders are assembling a coalition behind the scenes to wage an all-out war on the Senate filibuster in bullish anticipation of sweeping the 2020 election and passing an ambitious progressive agenda," NBC News reports.

    "Veteran party operatives, activist groups and supportive senators are coordinating message and strategy to dial up the pressure to quickly end the 60-vote threshold early next year, fearing that preservation of the rule will enable Republicans to kill Joe Biden's legislative agenda in its cradle."



    Yep (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 11, 2020 at 09:06:32 PM EST
    The GOP will do nothing but obstruct. We have seen that time and again. At least Biden has been convinced or has finally figured out that the GOP is a problem.

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    My new dispensary (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 07:27:54 AM EST
    I'm very excited

    4.2 miles from my house.  For perspective that's closer than a gas station or supermarket to my house

    Maybe you could get a job there (none / 0) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 08:42:32 AM EST
    since it looks like they need help right now.  This could be the perfect job for you Captain.

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    It totally would (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 08:58:31 AM EST
    I've considered that actually.  If I wanted to work.
    Im excited also because I will, presumably, get to meet the owner.  Who also happens to be the major backer and financier of the whole medical cal pot thing in this state.   She funded the signature drives and has been right up front the whole way.

    She is the very rich heir to the Town & Country supermarket empire.  She also lives here.  A bit closer to me than the dispensary which is near her home and on the same property. She lives in this recently built very "Wayne Manor" looking house on a bluff overlooking Spring River.  Supposedly the largest (sq ft) house in the entire state.

    I doubt she will be there behind the counter I'm sure she will be around and at least involved in the opening.

    Interesting bit, she and her partner applied for two places but only got one.  (She also got a grower permit) They were going to put in in an abandoned strip mall about 15 miles from here in another town.

    The mall mysteriously burned to the ground a few days after it was announced so every time I see someone from that town I tell them to thank the Village arsonist.


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    If you would like to see the house (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 09:07:55 AM EST
    Type this into Google Earth or maps.

    1 Bluff Rd, Hardy Ar

    That's actuall the address of the smaller house next door.  I'm not sure what her address is.  Couldn't find it.  But you can't miss the house.  It's the one with the tennis court with the logos of the two state university football team logos on it.

    And it's bigger than it look from above because the river facing side is 5 floors.

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    Also (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 09:31:58 AM EST
    She was funding another signature drive for a ballot initiative for this year legalizing recreational pot.

    It would have happened but Covid interrupted the signature drive so it will be next time.

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    Local news coverage (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 09:51:07 AM EST
    Costal Elites (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 12, 2020 at 07:00:52 PM EST
    On HBO.  You need this.

    Coastal Elites is an upcoming American comedy television film directed by Jay Roach, from a screenplay by Paul Rudnick. The film stars Bette Midler, Sarah Paulson, Kaitlyn Dever, Dan Levy and Issa Rae as five people, living in either New York City or Los Angeles, navigating the COVID-19 pandemic.

    So far I've only seen Bette Midler
    It's enough to say you need to see this.

    trailer

    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 01:06:45 PM EST
    Holy Joe has crawled out from under his rock to taint my TV screen. Thank gawd for my mute button.

    Why anyone thinks that failed politicians have credibility is beyond me. There are real reasons why they are "failed politicians."


    What is he doing (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 03:08:26 PM EST
    in MO? I have read he is endorsing Susan Collins but it seems his endorsement makes no difference.

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    I saw that (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 04:14:12 PM EST
    He endorsed Susan Collins because...

    of course he did

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    He wasn't in MO (none / 0) (#106)
    by MO Blue on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 04:31:24 PM EST
    He was on TV endorsing Collins. From what I (I muted him...can't stand his whiny voice) read he stated that people should elect her since she will work with Biden to get things done. A real comedy line to anyone who remembers her refusing to vote for the ACA no matter how often the Dems changed it to meet her demands.

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    He also said this (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 05:09:50 PM EST
    He also said (none / 0) (#111)
    by leap on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 07:34:24 PM EST
    "I'm a life-long Democrat, but I put my country first...always."

    So he is saying, Democrats don't put country first? What a dick. But then, we all know that.

    Plus, I didn't count all the other lies in that ad, because I'm tired of Republican lies.

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    Time (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 05:22:33 PM EST
    "This matters not just because of what these voters believe but also because of what they don't. The facts that should anchor a sense of shared reality are meaningless to them; the news developments that might ordinarily inform their vote fall on deaf ears. They will not be swayed by data on coronavirus deaths, they won't be persuaded by job losses or stock market gains, and they won't care if Trump called America's fallen soldiers `losers' or `suckers,' as the Atlantic reported, because they won't believe it. They are impervious to messaging, advertising or data. They aren't just infected with conspiracy; they appear to be inoculated against reality."

    How Conspiracy Theories Are Shaping the 2020 Election--and Shaking the Foundation of American Democracy

    This is all true.  It also means they think he's winning.  And democrats can ONLY steal the election.  A lot of people, more that you think, will absolutely believe this.  It's unlike anything that has happened in our country.

    At least in my lifetime.  It has not been possibly to be inoculated against reality.

    I'm living (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 04:13:26 AM EST
    this nightmare. My oldest son is getting married and the bride's parents are saying they will not come to the wedding if she mandates people to wear a mask. So we have grandparents who are not going to come because the bride can't mandate masks.

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    That would be so easy for me (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 07:17:38 AM EST
    Don't come.

    Might be one of the reasons I am not married.

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    Tell them to stay home. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 09:27:40 AM EST
    If not wearing a mask if more important to them than attending the wedding, have them stay away. Doesn't sound like family I would want to maintain a relationship with if they are that self absorbed and inconsiderate of others. I thought people of that generation were raised better. But then, welcome to Amurica.

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    I would (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 09:49:10 AM EST
    be perfectly fine with them not coming. However my daughter in law was at my house last night in tears because of all this. Yes, these are selfish terrible people who can't wear a mask for 30 minutes during a wedding. My husband and I plan on never seeing them again after the wedding. We actually invited them to our house a couple of times to get to know them but they always declined. Now I am glad that I never got to know them.

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    Seen this? (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 10:15:00 AM EST
    President Trump signaled he would participate in a four-hour debate with Joe Biden moderated by Joe Rogan, despite such a format being likely impossible.



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    NOt until now (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 12:45:49 PM EST
    More evidence of Trump not wanting to debate Joe.

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    No need to have (none / 0) (#124)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 02:01:51 PM EST
    a "debate" for four seconds let alone four hours.  Joe Biden should not dignify a Trumpapolooza with his presence.  The debates already scheduled wil be made into a circus---invite a clown and that is what you get.

      Biden should condition all debates with a Trump disavowal of his buddy, Roger Stones's, utterances regarding a coup by martial law, the Insurrection Act, and whisking away ballots cast in Nevada by federal agents.  Stone is not just another Republican, but a convicted felon (commuted sentence) who is a long-time Trump friend and confidant.  Also, Biden should require that each candidate provide tax returns.


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    I'm starting to look forward to the debates (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 02:53:29 PM EST
    I think Biden might do much better than expected.

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    Yes, I agree. (none / 0) (#126)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 04:37:18 PM EST
    Biden will do very well. My concern is the non-stop lying and belittling. And, propaganda.   Biden's debate coaches will surely have a debate themselves on how to best handle Trump.

    And, of course, the real issue is how the media will cover it. Biden may mis-state the number of Covid-19 deaths by one hundred and the reporting will be that Biden is losing it.

     Trump, may, once again, detail the Revolutionary War as Washington taking over the airports of the Delaware seizing victory from Cornwallis at Yorktown (the Trump crowd clapped at the line with great joy).  Hardly a media peep---things like that just happen, you know.

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    I read (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 05:14:37 PM EST
    There won't be a live audience

    That's bad for Trump.  He requires validation.

    Also Trump gets away with his shi+ because people let him.  I don't think Biden will let him.   Hillary was constrained by never being able to show any anger or emotion.  She would have been hysterical.

    I expect Biden to let him have it.  If he doesn't he won't win.  Or deserve to win.  IMO

    As far as I'm concerned it's his one job.

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    The nightmare also applies (none / 0) (#127)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 04:48:20 PM EST
    to your son and his fiance. Sort of a "Meet the Parents", but not a Ben Stiller/Robert Di Niro comedy.  Your son is marrying not only his betrothed, but also, her family (as is she marrying you all).  

    But, wedding politeness and family harmony should get out-distanced by the virus.  

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    I have a feeling (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    her parents are basically going to disown her more or less. They have been downright cruel about her getting married. My sister in law social worker says all this sends her mind into dark places. Anyway the poor girl was at my house crying last night over all of this. It broke my heart.

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    She will be (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 08:30:24 PM EST
    fortunate to have you as her new family. The caring given is what she needs and deserves.  And, your son will surely be appreciative.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 04:31:38 AM EST
    for the kind remarks.

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    Fareed's Most Likely Scenario (none / 0) (#109)
    by RickyJim on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 06:35:35 PM EST
    for election night.  Plausible and scary.

    I suppose (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 07:11:46 PM EST
    If there is an upside it is that almost everyone is expecting this.  I do not underestimate Trump and Barr.  But there is going to to be significant and instant pushback.  Legal and political.   And not just from democrats.

    It is definitely going to be where no election has gone before.

    All that said, I have another possibility.  A more hopeful one.

    Trump will continue having super spreader events.  He is having one right now which is the first, but certainly not the last, one to be INDOORS.

    it is not impossible that many Trump supporters are going to get sick.  And they will be getting sick right at election time.  I think it's totally possible that come Nov 3rd we will be in the middle of a new fall surge brought on by all the factors like being indoors more but also because of Trumps events that could be so bad many, especially older voters, will NOT come out to vote in person.  This is a big fear of republicans.

    Trump could even get it himself.  

    I still think that would be the only fitting and believable karmic end to this campaign.

    Trump dead of covid.

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    Thousands (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 08:14:45 PM EST
    President Trump plans to hold a fully indoor rally, where thousands are expected, for the first time in three months on Sunday in Henderson, Nevada, CNN reports.

    "The City of Henderson has issued a compliance letter and verbal warning to the event organizer that the event as planned would be in direct violation of the governor's COVID-19 emergency directives. Specifically, gatherings of more than 50 people in a private or public setting is prohibited."



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    'Trump dead of covid.' (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 01:17:55 AM EST
    This is why I turn the TV on in the morning.

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    Another scenario (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 13, 2020 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    "The Iranian government is considering assassinating the American ambassador to South Africa, U.S. intelligence reports say," Politico reports.

    "News of the plot comes as Iran continues to seek ways to retaliate for President Trump's decision to kill a powerful Iranian general earlier this year, the officials said. If carried out, it could dramatically ratchet up already serious tensions between the U.S. and Iran and create enormous pressure on Trump to strike back -- possibly in the middle of a tense election season."



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    100 million. In Florida. (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 07:22:11 AM EST
    "Mike Bloomberg plans to spend at least $100 million in Florida to help elect Democrat Joe Biden, a massive late-stage infusion of cash that could reshape the presidential contest in a costly toss-up state central to President Trump's reelection hopes," the Washington Post reports.

    "Bloomberg made the decision to focus his final election spending on Florida last week, after news reports that Trump had considered spending as much as $100 million of his own money in the final weeks of the campaign, Bloomberg's advisers said. Presented with several options on how to make good on an earlier promise to help elect Biden, Bloomberg decided that a narrow focus on Florida was the best use of his money."

    I don't really give a shi+ what he does after the election.  I'll take the 100 million.

    I happen (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 09:07:42 AM EST
    to think a lot of this is a dare to Trump. You said you were going to spend 100 million in Florida so let's see if you really can from Bloomberg. Bloomberg can afford it. I'm not sure Trump can considering he is using his campaign coffers to pay off lawyers and I'm also not sure that Trump has that much money in his businesses. Maybe he is wiring Putin for the money.

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    I think the idea here (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 02:24:30 PM EST
    is that FL is the key.  If it's clear Trump is losing FL which should be known fairly early compared to almost everywhere else it will be much harder for Trump to make a claim he is going to win that is not laughable.

    That won't stop him from trying but it's a much bigger lift if he is clearly losing FL.

    Crushing him in FL might be the only way to stop what Trump is planning.   Or at least deny it enough oxygen to live.  

    The story said they plan to spend at least 100 million.  That's a helluva lot for any one state.   That means he's prepared to do whatever it takes.  Which he can afford to do.  And it makes me feel better.

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    AP (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 16, 2020 at 08:41:22 AM EST
    Bloomberg's advisers say his Florida investment offers multiple benefits for Democrats: It frees up Democratic cash, allowing the campaign and outside groups to focus on other key swing states; it requires Republicans to spend more heavily to make up for the disparity there; and a decisive win by Biden in Florida could help tamp down efforts most Democrats are expecting from Trump to discount the results of the election.

    Florida election officials can start counting absentee ballots weeks before Election Day, which means they're typically able to report those results -- which tend to favor Democrats -- that night. And Trump has praised Florida's mail ballot system, meaning if Biden wins there, it will be tougher for Trump to reverse course on the state.

    "It's pretty important for the democracy if Biden does win for us to be able to call Florida on election night," said Kevin Sheekey, Bloomberg's longtime adviser.

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    If a tree explodes in the forest.... (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 14, 2020 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    Trump just said, discussing forest management, about 18 months after a tree falls it just, you know, explodes.

    25 years wiped out in 25 weeks: (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 08:38:27 AM EST
    Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton (none / 0) (#140)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 12:00:27 PM EST
    raised $6 million last night in a virtual fund-raiser.  Joining in the event were comic actors Maya Rudolph and Amy Poehler who spoof them on Saturday Night Live. Discussions included advice to Kamala on how to deal with Pence in debate. The event drew 100,000 donors for the Biden Campaign.

    These virtual events, with Biden too, (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 01:23:29 PM EST
    take almost no time, cost almost no money and are raking in 10s of millions.

    I think fundraising is permanently changed.

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    I really (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 02:37:33 PM EST
    wanted to go but darn I had all this other stuff going on. I hope they do another one.

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    There really is no bottom (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 04:27:26 PM EST
    ICE whistleblower: Nurse alleges 'hysterectomies on immigrant women in US'

    She worked at the centre, which houses immigrants detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
    As part of her complaint, filed on Monday, Ms Wooten expressed concerns about the high number of hysterectomies performed on Spanish-speaking women at the centre.
    The nurse said detained women told her they did not fully understand why they had to get a hysterectomy - an operation involving the removal of all or part of the uterus.
    The complaint also alleges "jarring medical neglect" during the coronavirus pandemic, including a refusal to test detainees with symptoms and fabricating medical records.
    "I became a whistleblower, now I'm a target," Ms Wooten said at a press conference on Tuesday. But, "I'll be a target anytime", she said, rather than staying a part of what she called an "inhumane" system.



    I understand (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 04:40:56 PM EST
    this is a crime against humanity. Yes, there is no bottom.

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    They just said the doctor in question (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 04:43:09 PM EST
    Has a history of large fines for Medicare fraud.  So of course he is in charge.

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    Federal prison and ICE facilities, being part of (none / 0) (#151)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 10:02:27 PM EST
    the federal government, are not bound by state licensing rules. So, many of their doctors are foreign medical school grads who never passed U.S. exams, or docs who just couldn't get a license, or lost their license for some reason. Not all of them, of course -- some are just dedicated folks who want to bring medical care to those in need, or are doing Americorps-like stints in the quasi-military Public Health Service -- but too many of them, sadly.

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    My sister-in-law resigned as (none / 0) (#150)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 08:51:15 PM EST
    an obstetric anesthesiologist at a university hospital in Philadelphia in the '90s, because certain doctors there were deciding how many babies were "enough" for low-income Black and hispanic women to have, and doing hysterectomies on them in connection with childbirth procedures, without the patients' knowledge or consent.

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    No (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 15, 2020 at 05:22:07 PM EST
    bottom

    "Teenagers, some of them minors, are being paid to pump out the messages at the direction of Turning Point Action... The campaign draws on the spam-like behavior of bots and trolls, with the same or similar language posted repeatedly across social media. But it is carried out, at least in part, by humans paid to use their own accounts."



    Shephard Smith to CNBC (none / 0) (#154)
    by RickyJim on Wed Sep 16, 2020 at 09:56:24 AM EST
    He will be starting there in 2 weeks.  Here is a preview interview with Bob Woodward.

    EMMYs (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2020 at 10:22:32 AM EST
    interesting list

    A buttload of nominations for Succession.  Every one deserved.
    Jason Bateman gets two nominations for actor in different series.  Ozark and The Outsider.  (I think he will win for Outsider)