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    It (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 02:44:18 PM EST
    was only matter of time
    During a Thursday appearance on Fox & Friends, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) brought up Benghazi while defending President Trump over the recent bombshell report detailing Russian payments to the Taliban in exchange for their attacks on NATO troops.
    Those golf trips always work their magic on Lindsey.

    Eye roll (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 03:42:18 PM EST
    Benghazi eye roll.

    After 10 investigations and 11 hours of testimony by Hillary and untold hours by others they are showing just how pathetic they are.


    So is Graham (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 03:53:02 PM EST
    suggesting Putin's boy be grilled by a House select committee the way Hillary was? With no Roy Cohn present?

    I'd give Trump about 10 minutes in that situation before he turns into Capt Queeg.

    Labor Day (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 03:55:28 PM EST
    Gabriel Sherman: "Nervous Republicans worried about losing the Senate are now debating when to break from Trump. Trump campaign internal polls show Trump's level of `strong support' dropping from 21 to 17 points since last week, a person briefed on the numbers said. A source close to Iowa Republican Joni Ernst's campaign said Ernst advisers are upset that a solid seat is now in play."

    Said one source: "Joni's campaign is pissed. They should not be in a competitive race."

    "A Republican strategist close to Mitch McConnell told me that Republicans have Labor Day penciled in as the deadline for Trump to have turned things around. After that, he's on his own."



    Ernst's seat (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 04:03:33 PM EST
    was never that safe. I guess she didn't pay attention to what happened in 2018.

    When senators like David Perdue and John Cornyn have a public break with Trump I will believe it. They have been putting this kind of thing in the press for a while.


    What (none / 0) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 05:37:32 PM EST
    does "break from tRump" even mean? Come September after condoning every vile/criminal/stupid thing he has done they will leave him "on his own" because his polls suck. Not much of a plan if you ask me.

    Good question (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 06:07:27 PM EST
    Maybe trying to not go to jail with him.

    Yep (none / 0) (#37)
    by smott on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 03:52:23 PM EST
    How many GOPers would be found to have taken laundered Russian rubles via the NRA?
    It's why I worry about the election, I think there's a bunch of Republicans who fear they're going to prison and have little to lose.
    The election rat-f*ckery is gonna be right out in the open. Why not?

    Maybe not Labor Day (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 03:03:48 PM EST
    "President Trump's unyielding push to preserve Confederate symbols and the legacy of white domination, crystallized by his harsh denunciation of the racial justice movement Friday night at Mount Rushmore, has unnerved Republicans who have long enabled him but now fear losing power and forever associating their party with his racial animus," the Washington Post reports.

    I think last night was a pivotal event.  


    Maybe (none / 0) (#70)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 03:38:22 PM EST
    we should keep an eye on the Devil's spawn
    Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third ranking Republican in the House, is publicly taking on President Donald Trump -- and unlike with most of his other critics, the President seems wary to hit back.

    Cheney, who is the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, has broken with Trump on policy before, but she has become increasingly outspoken in recent months.

    We have the black (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 09:13:45 PM EST
    militia marching at Stone Mountain today. I am waiting for the gun nuts to start screaming and waiting for Trump's screeching tweet about the "Black Panthers".

    What is "the black militia?" (none / 0) (#92)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 06:39:20 PM EST
    Pretty much just that (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 06:44:59 PM EST
    "the" sort of indicates a known entity (none / 0) (#95)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 07:01:45 PM EST
    "the" US Army. "the" Bulldogs. "the" Capital.

    I was curious to know if "the black militia" is a known entity to GA residents?


    actually never mind (none / 0) (#96)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 07:04:31 PM EST
    It is apparently a entity, the NFAC militia.

    Never heard (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 07:38:43 PM EST
    of them until they marched on Stone Mountain. We have had white militia groups since the 90's.

    The Donald (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Wouldn't even last one hour.

    Kudos to Sen. Duckworth (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 05:42:55 PM EST
    Dem Senator Makes Extraordinary Move To Protect Key Impeachment Witness

    Duckworth, who sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said that she would block 1,123 senior armed forces promotions until Defense Secretary Mark Esper writes a statement confirming that Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman's "expected and deserved" promotion will not be blocked.

    Tammy is auditioning (none / 0) (#38)
    by smott on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 03:53:24 PM EST
    For VP

    Herman Cain on wearing masks (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 06:01:14 PM EST
    On Twitter about Trump's Independence Day celebration Friday at Mount Rushmore, Herman Cain had this to say:

    Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump.  PEOPLE ARE FED UP!

    Yes, people are FED UP with idiots like Cain who put our healthcare workers at risk due to their stupidity.

    Yes, people are FED UP with idiots like Cain who put
    the lives of their fellow citizens  at risk due to their stupidity.

    Cain and his like-minded (none / 0) (#13)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 06:27:15 PM EST
    ilk should be turned away from any hospital with bed or ICU shortages.

    Mount Treaties Are Made To Be Broken (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:39:38 PM EST
    it should be call, as in, the Sioux Treaty of 1868..

    And then they went and named "the six grandfathers" (Rushmore) after a NYC lawyer, as a kind of ironic cherry on top of a tribute to thievery.


    Shining bright (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:00:13 PM EST
    Rep. Katie Porter Raises Staggering $2.5mil In Second Quarter

    Katie Porter ranks real high as my favorite Representative.

    A few years down the line, I can picture us addressing her as"Madam President."

    She is in (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 10:57:57 AM EST
    a District that historically is very, very Republican in Orange County.  The GOP Rep. there has by and large had a lifetime job.

    She did knock off Mimi Walters, a GOP darling.  Although Orange County is changing, Porter is still in a tough District for Dems.


    How Trump could lose the election (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 07:55:19 AM EST
    And stay in office.

    How Trump Could Lose the Election--And Still Remain President | Opinion

    I just saw these guys talking about this.  You can call it alarmist or clickbait but I gotta say it all sounds so possible.  Not necessarily that it would succeed but who among us can say he, or Barr or any of the other minions, would have the smallest qualm about trying it.

    I've been saying he acts like a person who doesn't expect to win or even care about winning.  That would be very out of character.  Not being concerned about winning because of what Barr or Rudy tells him seems absolutely possible and perfectly in character.

    BTW (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 07:59:51 AM EST
    They explain some of the process of it going to the House, which you would think would be good but turns out to NOT be good at all, that I did not know.

    Well (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 02:54:12 PM EST
    it is good that this type of thing is being discussed so we can think of every option that could happen and prepared.

    It's my birthday today (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 01:06:58 PM EST
    Not going out, but we're having lobster for dinner.
    Sunday is our Golden Anniversary.  Again, not going out, but Mr. Zorba will grill dry-aged steaks for the occasion.
    We were supposed to be going on a canal boat trip in Europe for our Anniversary, but back in February, Mr. Zorba said "Nope."
    We do have some nice champagne, fortunately.

    Happy birthday (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 01:21:00 PM EST
    And many moooooooore

    Happy, happy birthday (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 01:40:31 PM EST
    And happy anniversary as well. Enjoy the good food, a few drinks and most of all your time together.

    Apparently the lobster industry is hurting. (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 02:24:55 PM EST
    No tourists.   Good of you to help them out.

    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 02:31:22 PM EST
    and Happy Anniversary!

    Mme. Zorba, (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 03:17:10 PM EST
    sounds like a great plan for you and M. Zorba to celebrate this wonderful day.   Hope you have a good supply of that bubbly on ice.  Happy 50th and Happy Birthday.

    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 04:22:37 PM EST
    and Anniversary, Zorba!

    Happy Birthday and (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by desertswine on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 04:21:23 PM EST
    Happy Anniversary!  That good champagne will make the evening shine.

    Happy Birthday. Happy Anniversary. (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 09:07:40 PM EST
    All the well wishes to you on both of these auspicious occasions.

    Have a wonderful time this entire weekend.


    Happy Birthday, Zorba! (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 03:47:31 AM EST
    A dual celebration, how terrific. I wish you both many more happy and healthy years!

    Thank you, J! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 04:33:38 PM EST
    We both are happy that we have lasted this long!

    Happy birthday and anniversary, Mme. Zorba (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 03:47:31 AM EST
    Enjoy the week. Europe can wait until next year. Last months marked our own 30th anniversary. We spent that weekend at home. Now that interisland travel is deemed safe and has reopened because our COVID numbers are the lowest in the country (only 975 total cases in five months), we're going to Honolulu next weekend for my first visit with my youngest grandson, who's now four months old. But we're not going to travel to the U.S. mainland until next year.



    Wonderful - enjoy your grandson. (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    What she said (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 04:27:31 PM EST
    Michelle Goldberg: "A lot of Republicans are acting puzzled about Donald Trump's re-election pitch. `He has no message,' one Republican source told Reuters. "He needs to articulate why he wants a second term," said another. Some have expressed hope that Trump would find a way to become less polarizing, as if polarization were not the raison d'être of his presidency."

    "It's hard to know if Republicans like this are truly naïve or if they're just pretending so they don't have to admit what a foul enterprise they're part of. Because Trump does indeed have a re-election message, a stark and obvious one. It is `white power.'"


    Aunt Jemima, the Stars and Bars (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 04:45:21 PM EST
    The Onion predicts (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 05:39:55 PM EST
    that the result of the careful review will be a name change.

    The Washington Redskins will be . . . the DC Redskins.


    What's to review, one wonders. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 11:19:10 PM EST
    I have (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 05:44:52 PM EST
    been hearing how the redskins need to change their name since the 80's. Too bad it took this long and all the carnage to get them to do it.

    Interesting it's announced (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 06:00:25 PM EST
    On the day the Native American community is getting slapped in the faces of Mt Rushmore.

    I (none / 0) (#47)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 06:32:06 PM EST
    have Pocahontas on my bingo card.

    And a major theme (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 09:47:53 PM EST
    in Trump's speech at Rushmore is the wiping away of a people's history..

    The irony here is just off the charts.


    The 'Skins started out in Boston (none / 0) (#53)
    by desertswine on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 10:14:07 PM EST
    in the thirties and were called the "Braves."  Perhaps they'll revert back to that.

    You can also add ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 02:46:58 AM EST
    I thought they had changed their name (none / 0) (#86)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 11:13:11 AM EST
    to the Cleveland South Asians.

    Now, now, (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 04:55:37 PM EST

    John Bolton: The Room Where it Happened (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 08:02:44 PM EST
    I finished listening to this book today.  It took a little under 21 hours to get through the audio book.  Readers looking for more impeachable offenses by Trump will be disappointed.  During trade negotiations, asking China and Japan to buy more US agricultural products and telling them it would help him win in 2020, sounds benign compared to other stuff we know he has done. Bolton himself read the epilog where he speculated that Trump might adopt the Democratic agenda if he won a second term.

    If there was anything consistent in Trump's foreign policy shoutings to his aids, it is what does country X do in return for all the money we spend there especially in regards to Afghanistan, South Korea and NATO (never the biggest beneficiary of US aid, Israel).  Another of his favorite ploys is to offer a meeting with an adversary like the Taliban, North Korea or Iran.  The book is mostly a very repetitious account of many instances of Trump threatening to cut off aid or have a meeting and how the good guys like Bolton, Pompeo, Kelley managed to scuttle Trump's intention.

    One thing I hoped to get out of the book was an explanation of US policies.  I have the same questions that Trump has.  For example, General Dunford explained to Trump that we should keep troops in Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from taking over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and then using it to kill us American infidels.  Bolton doesn't, in this volume, really try to justify his world view which is much more hawkish than Trump's.  

    On thing that Bolton never mentions are the worldwide humanitarian crises coming from people trying to immigrate. I sure he would never suggest diverting funds from Europe and Asia to Central America but IMHO that would be in the US national security interest.  He says next to nothing about the plight of the Palestinians.  He mentions a few times that he conversed with Kushner about the middle east plan he was working on but says nothing about it.  So if I were putting a review on Amazon, I'd give the book no more than 2 stars since I didn't learn that much.

    Thanks for (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 10:36:52 AM EST
    the book review.  If Bolton's book came out last February, I might have bought it.  You know, during the time of the paper product shortage.

    One likely reason why John Bolton ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 03:22:44 AM EST
    RickyJim: "On thing that Bolton never mentions are the worldwide humanitarian crises coming from people trying to immigrate."

    ... doesn't talk much about international humanitarian crises is because he's long been a staunch proponent of military interventionist policies that have all too often been the root cause of humanitarian disasters, such as the Iraq War and Saudi Arabia's military assault on Yemen.

    And since he obviously doesn't care all that much about the fate of noncombatants caught in the crossfire, collateral damage and humanitarian consequences such as refugees, epidemics and famines don't really interest him except when the public relations goes awry and backfires, as it did in the assassination of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani.



    Trump gave up, well, he never had anything to give (1.00 / 1) (#48)
    by leap on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 07:05:07 PM EST
    up to begin with, but now he says Corona/COVID-19 -- we'll just have to live with it.

    What he really means is that we'll just have to die with/of it.

    Republicans are such lovely people. Evil and greedy and violent and racist and ignorant and selfish.... Here, let me go get my thesaurus for a page-full of appropriate epithets.

    It looks like he is going to succeed (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 07:23:53 PM EST
    In educating the country about the treaty violation that is Mt Rushmore as he did about the Tulsa race massacre

    Well him with and the bunch of protesters the are about to violently removed from the site in prime time.


    An accidental wild fire (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 07:30:21 PM EST
    Caused by the fireworks, which is a very real possibility,  would be eerily metaphorical.

    I wonder if that was before (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 03:49:34 AM EST
    or after he found out Don Jr's girlfriend Kimberly formerly of Fox has it.

    Choir-n-tine (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 04:49:56 PM EST
    Public health experts are slamming a Dallas megachurch that hosted Vice President Mike Pence over the weekend after several of its choir members tested positive for COVID-19 earlier in the month.

    BuzzFeed News reports that "at least five members of the choir and orchestra" at the First Baptist church in Dallas tested positive for the novel coronavirus in the weeks leading up to Pence's visit.

    Churches Covid-19 hot spots (none / 0) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 05:07:45 PM EST
    Bars, Strip Clubs and Churches (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 05:33:12 PM EST
    Nice grouping there (none / 0) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 08:53:13 PM EST
    Hot spots, indeed.

    Well, if the (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 12:58:47 PM EST
    shoe fits, they need to wear it.

    RIP Hugh Downs (none / 0) (#14)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 07:38:27 PM EST
    Born in Akron, Ohio, Downs began working in radio after college -- a stint interrupted by his service during World War II -- before landing at NBC-owned WMAQ in Chicago, where he worked in various capacities for several years before moving to New York.

    Guinness World Records once recognized Downs for having appeared in more hours of U.S. television (roughly 10,000) than anyone else, a record later broken by Regis Philbin.

    I remember Downs from 20/20.

    Gonna need more agents (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:14:35 PM EST

    "Vice President Pence's trip to Arizona this week had to be postponed by a day after several Secret Service agents who helped organize the visit either tested positive for coronavirus or were showing symptoms of being infected," the Washington Post reports.

    "Pence was scheduled to go to Phoenix on Tuesday but went on Wednesday instead so that healthy agents could be deployed for his visit."

    These announcements (none / 0) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:31:33 PM EST
    have become a weekly event.

    WH staff, including Secret  Service agents,  have become carriers of the virus. Still the President and VP continue on to spread the wealth at unnecessary campaign events.


    56,015 (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:49:17 PM EST
    Lawerence just said that's the official tally for today.

    60 tomorrow.  100 before you know it.

    I got my negative test result today (5.00 / 10) (#21)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 09:56:40 PM EST
    All clear to visit 15-month-old grandson for first time in nearly four months.

    Great news (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 02, 2020 at 10:33:55 PM EST
    You have to be so excited about your visit.



    Fantastic (none / 0) (#41)
    by smott on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 04:26:19 PM EST

    Trump defund the cops 911 call ad (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 02:02:36 PM EST
    I'm sorry this is just funny.

    It's awful but it's funny.  I can't imagine this ad (which they are spending a lot on) changing a single mind.

    Some Covid good news (none / 0) (#32)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jul 03, 2020 at 02:05:08 PM EST
    Happy 4th of Jooly (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 08:44:04 AM EST
    Our visible from my sofa fireworks were cancelled

    🐕 the dogs are very happy.

    The greatest Fourth of July oration (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 11:51:40 AM EST
    in American history:  Frederick Douglass in 1852.  Read by James Earl Jones.  Discussed at the National Constitution Center.

    I'd rather have (none / 0) (#58)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 08:59:53 AM EST
    a long drawn-out, hellacious, thunderstorm. We haven't had one of those around here in a couple of years.

    I could definately use a little break from this heatwave. My daughter who used to live in Vegas where it hits 110, said it's more uncomfortable here in Western NY in the summer than it was there.


    Absolutely (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 09:16:52 AM EST
    95 with 85% humidity, which is what's it's been and will be for the next couple of weeks, is wayyyyyyy worse that 115 in the desert.

    Shade if you can find it is comfortable in the desert.  Shade don't do squat here.

    Right now at 9:30 is 88 with a feels like of 100

    It will be feels like of 110 or even higher this afternoon.

    My yard guy, young healthy, literally had a mini heat stroke yesterday.  Had to come in the air conditioning for a while.  I was ready to call 911 but he said, nah, it happens all the time.

    Also we are getting thunderstorms almost every day and it just makes it more humid.


    Does not sound like fun (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 09:53:39 AM EST
    I spent a couple of summers in southern Louisiana back in the day and for me it was the closest thing to hell on earth, weatherwise.

    There weren't any ole swimmin holes around either. More like the ole swimmin swamp.


    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 10:19:46 AM EST
    I live on Spring River.  So named because it literally comes up out of the ground a few miles north of here in a town appropriately named Mammoth Spring.  My former address until 3 years ago when I moved here.

    There are many lakes and even other rivers that are the temperature of bath water by now but Spring river is born at 58 degrees and just gets warm enough to be perfect here.  So yeah.  I kayak on Spring River all the time.

    About the local weather summer here was always hot an humid.  But when I was a kid there was always a late summer drought.  Always.  Which while not usually a good thing at least helped with the humidity.

    No more.  Every summer since I arrived in 2011 has been wetter.  It rains every afternoon.  Literally.  Like a rain forest.  
    My yard guy was working in the heat because it was the first day dry enough in weeks.

    Drought in summer, snow in winter when I was a kid.  Always.
    It has snowed a tiny bit once since 2011.


    Yeah, rain in summer (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 10:51:13 AM EST
    is only comfortable if it cools things off a little, not if it turns ones surroundings into a steambath.

    That Spring River sounds awesome though. Especially right now.


    Here in Pittsburgh (none / 0) (#62)
    by smott on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 10:37:31 AM EST
    It's dense humidity and mid-90s w no sign of abating, this is about 10-12 degrees above normal for this time of year.

    I played exactly one hour of tennis yesterday on hard courts with not a spot of shade, and was whipped, even though it was only 9:30 in the morning.

    Sat in my car w AC blasting in my face lol....


    I (none / 0) (#64)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 11:12:04 AM EST
    had more than a mini heatstroke 30  on the 4th of July back in my construction days. For some reason we had to finish drying in a roof, supposedly it was only a couple of hours. It ended up taking over four hours and in our rush we neglected to take breaks, my head was spinning by the time I got down. I managed to get in my car and drive about one half a mile before I had to pull over in front of a Winn-Dixie and get out and lay on the shaded sidewalk for about half an hour. Nobody called 911 and eventually I was able to drive home and crank up the AC, but I didn't completely recover for days.

    Yeah I've come close to that (none / 0) (#67)
    by smott on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 11:36:29 AM EST
    With tennis. When younger and stupider re hydration I played a tournament singles, dubs, Mxd, played like 5 matches in an oppressive afternoon, and belatedly realized towards the end that I had stopped sweating completely.
    As w you, took a couple days to recover.

    I did get smarter and by my 30s I could play in just about anything. 107F in the shade in NJ in August on hard courts. But I had to be very meticulous about getting electrolytes and drinking fluids to the gills the night before matches on days like that. Try to pee absolutely clear lol. I'm in awe of the athletes on the pro tennis tour. They're unbelievable in their prep.


    Yep, we're just like that too. (none / 0) (#66)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 11:30:11 AM EST
    Just (none / 0) (#72)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 05:38:14 PM EST
    got thru our daily boomers, no really close strikes but did get well over an inch of rain in an hour's time.

    FYI: Close in these parts is less than 1/4 mile.


    Happy birthday America (none / 0) (#65)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 11:21:04 AM EST
    Look forward to many more.

    Good that MSNBC ans CNN (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 06:12:40 PM EST
    Did not carry Trump live last night or tonight

    FOX of course did both.

    Fox is covering everything (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 06:58:34 PM EST
    Trump-related but Kimberly Guilfoyle.

    I could've sworn she used to work at Fox.


    she did (none / 0) (#80)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 05:15:34 AM EST
    I argued against her many times. Before Fox she was a deputy DA in San Francisco. The case that brought her to the attention of media was the infamous dog mauling case.

    [Then SF D.A. Terrance] Hallinan staffed his legal team with lead prosecutor James Hammer and Kimberly Guilfoyle, a young assistant district attorney who was often defined by her appearance in the local press. A Feb. 9, 2001, Matier and Ross column in the Chronicle described her as "the legal eyeful" and a "former lingerie model." The columnists went on to dish on Guilfoyle's TV offers, and speculated if " her beau," then-Supervisor Gavin Newsom, "will get offered a co-starring role."

    She then married Gavin Newsom. Three years later they got divorced.


    I remember that dog-mauling (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 05:28:49 PM EST
    case, but wasn't familiar with all the sordid details. Oy.

    Very sad. The lacrosse coach at my college (none / 0) (#94)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 06:56:17 PM EST
    was named Rory Whipple.

    Kanye West (none / 0) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 08:47:23 AM EST
    If not just a stunt for his new release, I agree with this take on the subject:

    Tri ⁷

    The only reason why Kanye is doing this is to get black voters to vote for him for shits and giggles, in hopes of swaying the black vote away from Biden - eventually trying to split the democrat vote so Trump can win

    We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION
    8:46 PM · Jul 4, 2020

    Good luck with that Kanye (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 09:32:26 AM EST
    I just saw Susan Rice on MTP.  She wants the VP.  And Biden could do way worse.  

    Earlier I was thinking she might have to much "Obama baggage" but it's looking like a little Obama baggage might not be a bad thing.

    If the idea is to remind people what normalcy looked like in 2015 she would be a good vehicle for that.

    And I can't think of anyone I think would be more prepared for the job of president if that's needed.


    Great. (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 09:47:26 AM EST
    Another no talent narcissist with a plastic wife in the race. Just what America needs.

    It was a good fireworks night in my area (none / 0) (#84)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 10:17:22 AM EST
    I was expecting less than normal but there were actually more.

    There's definately something in the water (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 03:01:18 PM EST
    in Florida.

    KW Miller, who's running for Congress, tweeted (for some reason) that Beyonce isn't black and is a globalist, Soros-funded Deep State operative who worships in Satanic churches. And those are her good points.

    Based on that, I give the guy a better than even chance of getting elected, especially if he's a self-proclaimed Christian and a staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment.

    This woman (Jacksonville) (none / 0) (#89)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 05, 2020 at 04:42:06 PM EST