Happy Father's Day Open Thread

To all you Dads out there, I hope you have a wonderful day. If your Dad is still alive, don't forget to call him if he can get calls. If he's in jail or prison, send a card, welcome his collect call, and try to make his day a little brighter.

2.7 million children in the United States have a parent incarcerated.

[N]early twice as many black children (11.5 percent) have had a parent who lived with them go to jail or prison compared to white children (6 percent). And a child living in poverty is three times more likely (12.5 percent) to have experienced parental incarceration than a child whose household income is at least twice the federal poverty level (3.9 percent) (Murphey and Cooper 2015).

Seventeen years ago here on TalkLeft, I wrote about one specific child of the incarcerated --Chesa Boudin, the son of former Weatherground member Kathy Boudin. He had written an article for Salon in 2001, "I am the Son of Inmate 83A6158." He graduated from Yale and became a Rhodes scholar.

Where is Chesa today? First, he became a state public defender. In November, he ran for District Attorney of San Francisco, and won. He was sworn in in January.


Boudin, a reformer who ran on a platform of ending mass incarceration, eliminating cash bail, and tackling racial disparities in law enforcement, reiterated his commitment to overhauling the office before a capacity crowd at the Herbst Theatre.

“Until we distribute opportunities with more equity, until the institutionalization of punishment and retaliation is replaced with the institutionalization of restoration and redemption—until then, we will continue to fail those harmed by crime,” he said. He called on attendees to reject the notion that “to be free we must cage others,” and that “jails and prisons should be the primary response to all our social problems.”

Today, only 37% of the U.S. population are people of color, but they comprise 67% of the prison population.

Belated congratulations to Chesa, and to our readers and all fathers, Happy Father's Day.

Things to be thankful for today: Donald Trump is not your father.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    The greatest joy in my life (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 02:06:49 PM EST
    Is getting a hug from one of my two wonderful children.

    'The Blues Brothers' turns 40 this week. (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 03:01:52 AM EST
    They sure don't make 'em like that any more -- and with good reason. Its cost overruns put Universal Studios in a real financial bind.

    But the result was arguably the most grandiose monument to cinematic excess ever put to celluloid, a campy movie so earnestly over the top that you can't help but revel in the long trail of vehicular mayhem and wreckage it leaves in its wake. The killer music soundtrack is the cherry on top of its melting hot fudge sundae.

    Try as they might, and many have, nobody's ever been able to replicate John Landis' masterpiece of choreographed carnage. "The Blues Brothers" is truly one of a kind, a big ol' car-crashing love letter to the city of Chicago and its blues music, and if you can watch it without even once smiling and laughing, then somebody needs to check your pulse to see if you're still alive.


    Those car scenes were not n Chicago (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Towanda on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:21:27 PM EST
    but in Milwaukee, where we had an unfinished freeway needed for the scene,

    Your movie trivia tidbit fir the day.


    According to the site fast-rewind.com, that was where Jake and Elwood are being chased down a freeway by Henry Gibson and the Illinois Nazis. The tall white building seen in the background is the present-day U.S. Bank Building in downtown Milwaukee.

    Also, the early chase scene where the police cruiser crashes into a billboard was shot in L.A.'s Griffith Park. The indoor shots of the Palace Hotel Ballroom were actually filmed inside L.A.'s Hollywood Palladium on Sunset Boulevard.

    But everything else in The Blues Brothers was filmed in and around the Chicago area. Credit for that goes to the late former Mayor Jane Byrne, who encouraged director John Landis to relocate the production there, much to the consternation of Universal Studios. Today, the movie can also be credited for having kickstarted Chicago's film industry.



    BB was one of my favorites as a kid (none / 0) (#18)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:41:22 AM EST
    Lots of great cameos.  Makes you wonder what John Belushi's carer would have been had he not died so young.  He was supposed to be in Ghostbusters. Not sure if Landis gets enough credit for all the classics he directed.

    Some old films I've watched recently...

    10:  Still pretty funny.  Kinda forgot about Blake Edwards and Dudley Moore.

    Lost in America:  Lots to like if you appreciate the humor of Albert Brooks.

    McCabe and Mrs. Miller:  A Robert Altman western from 1971.  Unfortunately, the print and soundtrack quality weren't very good, which made the overall experience so so.  

    Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory:  Hadn't seen this in decades.  Gene Wilder was outstanding. The rest of the film didn't hold up as well.


    Twilight Zone CBS AllAccess Jordon Peele (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:20:08 AM EST
    There's a lot to like on AllAccess

    Every season of the Twilight Zone and StarTrek is enough for me.

    I have been binging the new TZ.  it is very good.  I had read that it was often "politically heavy handed".
    It definitely is.  The thing is, just the history since the series premiered is enough to make you think "heavy handed" is exactly what is called for.

    There are several episodes that seem politically prescient and made for the news of the day like "Point of Origin"

    But the best is called "The Wunderkind".  Which is about the US electing a 9 yo boy as president.  Which sounds like fun until it happens.

    It is the best Trump satire I've seen.

    Perry Mason (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:02:21 AM EST
    Wow! Finally got around to watching it last night. Not sure what I was expecting but this Perry Mason is night and day different from the original series. Rather dark and Mason comes across more like a loser than a hero. Will watch the next episode and see where it goes from there.

    Looking forward to meeting (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:25:36 AM EST
    Tatiana Maslany as the preacher.  She is so great.  If you have never seen Orphan Black it's a great binge.  She is dazzling playing 5 different main characters and many other smaller ones.

    It's about clones.

    Perry Mason was surprisingly dark.  The baby creeped me out totally.  And I have a very high tolerance.


    Yes, and that (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:27:19 AM EST
    macabre touch of buying a "slightly used" tie from the coroner.

    Eric Trump, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 01:04:47 PM EST
    in his warm up speech before Dad took the stage at the Tulsa Trumpapolooza, called the BLM protestors outside--- "animals."

    An ominous remark from one of the Trump boys, knowing their respect for animals. The Trump Administration, with the backing of Junior, reversed regulations for hunting in the Alaska National Preserves.

    The amazingly cruel regulations
    will permit killing wild life in their dens,  drawing out bears, wolves, and their cubs and pups, with artificial lights and donuts with bacon grease, so that they can be shot. And, Caribou swimming in waters can be shot from speedboats.  

    The amazingly cruel regulations (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 02:50:09 PM EST
    The amazingly cruel regulations
    will permit killing wild life in their dens,  drawing out bears, wolves, and their cubs and pups, with artificial lights and donuts with bacon grease, so that they can be shot. And, Caribou swimming in waters can be shot from speedboats.  

    Those Alaskans sure do loves them their hunting, regardless of how those dam hipsters in the lower 48 view it...


    If they're going to (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:07:05 PM EST
    Shoot animals in their dens, bait and spotlight them, and shoot swimming caribou from power boats, that's not hunting.  That's like shooting fish in a barrel, and I have no respect for them at all.

    I don't blame you. (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    fwiw, just made a quick google (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:47:42 PM EST
    Much of Canada also allows bear baiting. Some places allow spotlighting. It really varies among the provinces and territories and other factors.

    They may be legal, (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 09:02:05 AM EST
    But that doesn't really make those practices either ethical or sporting.
    And I am certainly not opposed to ethical hunting- I have a freezer full of venison.  

    In no way was I attempting to support (none / 0) (#67)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 10:17:51 AM EST
    any of the practices. It is interesting to me to see the difference in acceptable norms.

    American exceptionalism (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 12:50:50 PM EST
    "European Union countries rushing to revive their economies and reopen their borders after months of coronavirus restrictions are prepared to block Americans from entering because the United States has failed to control the scourge," the New York Times reports.

    "That prospect, which would lump American visitors in with Russians and Brazilians as unwelcome, is a stinging blow to American prestige in the world

    Eliot Engel private citizen (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:46:04 AM EST
    Jamaal Bowman (D), a Black middle-school principal in the Bronx, holds a commanding lead over veteran Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY) in New York's primary election results.

    Said Bowman, per Reuters: "Eliot Engel used to say he was a thorn in the side of Donald Trump... But you know what Donald Trump is more afraid of than anything else? A black man with power. That is what Donald Trump is afraid of."

    I love this.  Politicians should not feel they have a right to die in office.

    KY is to close the call.

    Slanted headline (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 08:08:01 AM EST
    Most primary night headlines are standard fare. Candidate X won, had surprising win, ahead but too soon to call.

    OTOH, the headline for AOC's primary WIN
    Ocasio-Cortez fends off challenger in House primary almost makes it sound like AOC had a real struggle to win when in fact the percentages were something like 74 to 19.

    A more accurate headline would be "AOC trounced primary opponent"or "AOC had easy victory in primary. "


    It's pretty amazing (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by CST on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:45:27 AM EST
    How upset some people are about the left flexing some muscles.  Some people seem to take it very personally that cities get representation in congress.

    IMO these are exactly the kind of races the left should be fighting for, along with state legislatures.

    That said, I won't cry if Schumer gets a challenge, and Kennedy better hope he beats Markey because Ayanna Pressley will run for Senator some day and I doubt he would beat her in an open primary.


    Yes, some members of the party (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 01:09:16 PM EST
    have a real hard time with candidates from the left winning. I still haven't forgiven the establishment Dems for backing Holy Joe instead of the winner or the Democratic primary, Lamont.

    OTOH, I wish Kennedy was challenging someone else. I have always liked Markey.


    the only two seats available in MA (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by CST on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 06:04:29 PM EST
    are Markey and Warren.  For Kennedy, the option was run against Markey now, or wait for an open seat and go against Pressley in the primary and likely lose.  Warren was his professor and friend, he's not taking her on.  I don't think anyone wants to take on Baker for Gov, certainly not Kennedy who has always been more interested in national politics.  Kennedy is fine, Markey is better (and I will vote for him), neither is the best that MA has to offer, IMO.

    I understand (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:30:15 PM EST
    this race has a lot of outstanding ballots from Westchester. It still may not be enough to change the outcome though.

    The race was called (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 01:01:28 PM EST
    and AOC was declared the winner. Westchester would have to be the size of Texas <snark, maybe> to change the out come.

    No (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 03:22:31 PM EST
    I'm talking about the Engel race not AOC.

    Mea culpa (none / 0) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 04:11:47 PM EST
    Crooked eyesight, I guess. Thought it was in response to my comment on AOC.

    Yes but (none / 0) (#164)
    by CST on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 06:05:39 PM EST
    Out of the vote from Westchester that has been counted, Engel is losing badly.  I don't see why the outstanding ballots would be substantially different.

    1 - 2 - 3 (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 04:25:37 PM EST
    Waiting for Trump's head to explode.

    New York City will paint 'Black Lives Matter' on street in front of Trump Tower

     Bill de Blasio often is infuriating  and down right wrong, but you got to like this action.

    Just in (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:15:46 PM EST
    Sullivan has put a delay on the Flynn case.

    A Remarkable Life... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by desertswine on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 11:27:23 PM EST
    The Cow Wins (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:22:33 AM EST
    Judge Jackson: Come prepared. Today. (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:52:24 AM EST
    "U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson advised the Department of Justice (DOJ) to come prepared in a filing due Thursday with some sort of precedent in the district-or by way of an agency internal policy-that would support delaying the start of Stone's imprisonment any further," reported Colin Kalmbacher. "Essentially, the judge overseeing Stone's case believes the government is likely to side with a recent Stone request to delay imprisonment due to the pandemic, but wants to get the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office on the record and in writing in order to assess whether or not the government is treating Stone differently from others who have made similar requests. The judge previously ordered Stone to report to prison by June 30."

    The order comes just after testimony in the House Judiciary Committee from former Robert Mueller prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky, who alleged Barr has been intervening in the Stone case to try to prevent a harsh sentence for Trump's former associate and friend.


    Just to be clear about who is in charge (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by Peter G on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 10:48:17 AM EST
    The date to surrender for service of a federal sentence is set by the sentencing judge, not by the Bureau of Prisons or the Dept of Justice. The judge has virtually complete discretion to grant an extension or not (subject to potential review for "abuse of discretion" by the ever-objective D.C. Circuit [cf. Flynn decision yesterday]). If BOP says they don't have an appropriate spot ready for him, the U.S. Marshal Service will take him and put him temporarily in a local jail where they have a contract for excess cell space.

    Judge Jackson granted a two-week extension (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 26, 2020 at 07:36:29 PM EST
    for Stone to turn himself in for service of his sentence, not the two months that Stone requested (and the DOJ naturally consented to). Good work, whistle-blower prosecutor who testified earlier this week about the pattern of special favors done for Stone under orders from the top levels of the DOJ.

    Now I wonder whether two weeks (none / 0) (#199)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 27, 2020 at 06:22:43 PM EST
    is long enough for Tr*mp to get the pardon ready.

    Sweden (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by BGinCA on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 09:11:17 PM EST
    For those who had been touting the Swedish model for coping with the Covid-19 pandemic and who may still be interested in the partial results, Sweden is now ranked 5th worldwide in per capita Covid fatalities.

    Chesa Boudin's father is David Gilbert (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 02:19:18 PM EST
    who is still incarcerated, unlike his mother, Kathy Boudin, who was eventually paroled. They were both members of the Weather Underground, which morphed into the second-generation May 19th Communist Organization (named for the shared birthday of Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X). They were both convicted as accessories to the murders of two police and a Brinks guard (and wounding two others) in a Black Liberation Army "expropriation" (armed robbery) action in New York State in 1981. Chesa's grandfather, Leonard Boudin, was a great leftist civil liberties lawyer, from whom I had the privilege of taking a course in the history and theory of conspiracy law, when he served as a visiting professor at my law school.

    Late Father's Day gift for Donald (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 03:07:11 PM EST
    The Supreme Court will decide as soon as this week whether Trump's accountants must turn his financial records and tax returns over to House Democrats and New York prosecutors investigating hush money payments.
    Is he worth as much as he says he is? Where is he getting money from? What are his international business deals? Does he pay taxes at all? Or does he manipulate the tax code, as he's bragged of doing, to get out of it? All of these questions could be answered by viewing the tax returns he's gone to such lengths to keep from public view.


    Neither of those cases would necessarily result (none / 0) (#4)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 03:20:28 PM EST
    in public release of the Tr*mp financial records, even if Tr*mp loses in the Supreme Court. Certainly not the New York state grand jury case, which based on listening to the oral arguments seems the more likely to prevail. Evidence is presented before grand juries under seal, and grand jury records ordinarily remain secret. The federal grand jury rule is so strict (I don't really know if NY is the same) that historians have been unsuccessful getting access to those records even 50 years later, and after everyone involved has died.

    For some reason (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 03:25:28 PM EST
    I kinda think that might not be the case here.

    No idea how but it sure seems likely we will learn some stuff.  At least by November


    Trump's finances (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:38:24 PM EST
    made public may be confirmatory, but not something we do not have a pretty good idea about: deception, cheating, money laundering.  And, the kids are in on it.  Just like Ozark, without the cool scenery.

    It was a big week for the legends (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 03:30:42 PM EST
    Both Neil Young and Bob Dylan released new albums this week. Dylan's Rough And Rowdy Ways is a stellar collection of new songs, while Young's Homegrown is a previously unreleased instant classic recorded during his famous 'Ditch' era. The gnarled chug of Vacancy is everything I love about Young's record making. Dig it.


    And Perry Mason tonight on HBO

    It's brats and beer for me today.. (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 03:40:18 PM EST
    at the daughter's place with the g-kids.  Looks like a good day.

    Bye bye Eskimo Pie (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 05:43:51 PM EST
    The owner of Eskimo Pie is changing its name and marketing of the nearly century-old chocolate-covered ice cream bar, the latest brand to reckon with racially charged logos and marketing.

    This won't stop (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:33:25 PM EST

    This won't stop until all people of color are driven out of pop culture.  

    Difficult that (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:38:26 PM EST
    Miss Chiquita's days (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 05:52:31 PM EST
    Good, (none / 0) (#10)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:12:23 PM EST
    Those stickers on bananas are the worst.  Wonder what they will use instead?  

    Whatever it is (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 06:16:25 PM EST
    The Redskins (none / 0) (#12)
    by NoSides on Sun Jun 21, 2020 at 08:54:27 PM EST
    Eskimo Pie to Drop Derogatory Name, Dreyer's Says.

    Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben also gone. They're racist myths of happy Black servitude.

    But the "Redskins" - as American as apple pie.

    Genocide swept under the rug.

    From Wikipedia:"The term "red-skin" was, in fact used in conjunction with scalp hunting in the 19th century. In 1863 a Winona, Minnesota, newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed an announcement: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth."

    How does it happen that this group of people goes so unnoticed and so unrepresented?

    Can't understand it.

    Scorched earth (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:05:16 AM EST
    Politico: "In Tulsa and in the days beforehand, Trump and his allies signaled the beginning of a scorched earth campaign. Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. has posted memes portraying Biden -- baselessly -- as a pedophile. Trump's campaign released an ad on Friday depicting Biden as aged and confused, calling him `clearly diminished' and lacking `mental fortitude.' On Saturday, he continued to suggest without evidence that Biden has health issues, saying `There's something wrong with Biden.'"

    "The no-boundaries approach is in keeping with Trump's smashmouth style. Yet it's also a necessity for an unpopular president facing an electoral landscape that's tilted against him."

    I guess when you only have one note it's what you play but this just seems so unwise with Trumps own recent prime time fumbling and bumbling.  
    The truth is the one politician on earth who might make Biden look really good by comparison is Trump.

    And there is the race baiting.  Really really offensive stuff in Tulsa.

    And not one mention of the demonstrators or the Covid dead.

    There are rumors Barr has a big October surprise.  Short of Marshall law and cancelling the election its hard to imagine anything that's going to make much difference.

    But it sure does look like Trump, at least, does not think he has to win to remain in office.

    LATimes (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:08:10 AM EST
    Mark Barabak: "The incumbent is deeply unpopular and, if history is a guide, stands little chance of drastically changing those sentiments by election day."

    "His best -- and possibly only -- chance of winning a second term is making Biden seem the more unpalatable of the two; turning the election, in the political shorthand, into a choice between candidates rather than a referendum on Trump's personality and performance."

    "The strategy worked four years ago against Clinton. After a quarter-century on the national stage, and a bruising Democratic primary, the former first lady and secretary of State was viewed by many Republicans as a figure of almost singular villainy and by a significant number of independents -- who didn't like either candidate -- as the greater of two evils."

    "This time seems different."

    I said months ago this is what (none / 0) (#17)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:24:23 AM EST
    the orange clown would resort to. There is no too low. There will be no Joseph Welch moment. This family, this campaign has no sense of decency. No will they ever find one.

    I find it interesting that here in PA, all I see in campaign ads for the orange clown is China, China, China. What are they expecting from that? No one, absolutely no one, that I know of, on either side of the issues, is talking about China.  


    The only kind of "surprise" (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:47:52 AM EST
    It would make sense for Barr to have would be an indictment of Biden's son or even Biden himself.

    Go on, tell me that's not possible

    I think they will do anything. ANY thing to hold on to power.


    Oh, I completely (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 11:11:41 AM EST
    believe that is possible. Anything is possible after what happened in 2016. Or they could issue an indictment of Obama for spying. I think they have moved past doing anything to Hillary now though I would not have been surprised to see them trying to put her in jail back in 2017-18.

    Putin apparently hacked the computers at Burisma. So I would not be surprised if he planted something in their computers. So there could be some planted evidence that "proves" criminal behavior by Biden or Hunter.


    Read that in Tulsa (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 11:25:12 AM EST
    There was all kinds of anti Hillary and anti Obama sway but no anti Biden.

    Seems odd.  The "platform" is the 2016 platform complete with references to the "current administration" which in 2016 was of course Obama.  The speech was just a greatest hits from 2016.

    It seems unbelievably disconnected to the moment.

    I guess that is what living in a bubble will do.


    Thing is (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by smott on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 02:11:37 PM EST
    They can't attack Biden so effectively, because people just like him.
    Biden attack lines got minimal response from the crowd (which is NOT to say they'll vote for him), but Trump can always go to the racism well w Obama, and the Hillary-Hate well w Clinton. That's where the audience response is.
    He's got nuthin' w Biden.

    Actually this Covid moment seems made for Biden. Trump is shooting his weenie off every day. Biden gets to stay OUT of the spotlight (where he might gaffe it up) and just sit back, do his very controlled basement media calls,  and let it happen.

    The press loves Biden, which IMO might have been his biggest asset. The press loathed Hillary. But they won't touch Biden.


    And that is why (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:16:20 PM EST
    I largely hold the media responsible for Trump. They thought it was all fun and games in 2016 but now after the terror and protests of the last year maybe they are learning a little. They still seem to be making a lot of the same mistakes they made in 2016 though.

    They are responsible (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by smott on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:45:48 PM EST
    And there has never been a reckoning for the media's negligence in 2016.
    They normalized Trump, gave him billions  in free unfiltered media, and pretended Clinton's emails were the scandal of the century. We can talk about Comey and Russia and FB, but the media has the most responsibility IMO.
    And they've never acknowledged it, on the contrary they've been thin skinned and defensive whenever they're called on it.



    Maggie Haberman (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:15:58 AM EST
    Biden is a flawed candidate running a flawed campaign. They are still sticking with the same narratives from 2016 and applying them to Biden.

    Yes, "flawed". (none / 0) (#115)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:16:02 AM EST
    from Maggie's perspective of not having the same access as she has to Trump.  Covering Biden requires Habs to do journalism.

    If Maggie (none / 0) (#124)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:52:06 AM EST
    ever did actual journalism, I'd be utterly astounded.
    It ain't gonna happen, not with Maggie.

    The new worry (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 03:14:01 PM EST
    Widely perceived as (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:13:54 PM EST
    more religious than Trump? Sheesh anybody would meet that qualification. It isn't that that is moving evangelicals over to Trump. What it is is the gassing. The gassing of the protestors and a priest in the park Or at least that is what I'm seeing from the few that are moving over. Some of them are like I'm not voting for either one. Trump still has around 2/3 of evangelicals but considering he barely squeaked by with 80% in 2020 I'm sure he can ill afford to lose even 1%.

    They Might Concentrate on Attacking the VP (none / 0) (#49)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 06:40:08 PM EST
    The Republicans will intimate that the Vice Presidential candidate of the Democrats has an excellent chance of becoming President if the presidency goes blue.  They hope that this prospect will be as effective to give independants a reason not to support the Dem ticket as the campaign against Sarah Palin was in 2008. I hope the VP candidate will be good at projecting gravitas and non extremism.

    2016 (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:10:18 PM EST
    was the high point of their miserable lives. They got to hate on Hillary and Obama at the same time. Of course, they haven't gotten around to Biden yet because Biden as the nominee took Trump for a loop. He was expecting to run against Bernie and socialism. They're still trying to run against socialism but it doesn't have quite the punch it would have with Bernie. And the fact that Biden isnt' out doing a gaffe a minute probably helps too.

    I think (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:21:36 PM EST
    It's pretty easy to scare people about the first female President.  As it had been easy to scare people about the first black president.

    Biden is just not scary.  Boring.  Mediocre.   Not really scary.

    I think you are right.  This is all they know   It's all many of them even remember.  We are in the second decade of the same schtick.  Not counting the decades of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

    They can't understand why it's not working.  It's like watching a rat when the treats stop coming for tricks they have always done.  


    Agreed. (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 05:12:48 PM EST
    And, after the election, the media still did not know how to cover him.  All those diner interviews in small towns discussing "economic anxiety". No looking into the possibility that Trump hated the same people they did, and that was enough.

     And, treating White Evangelicals as primarily a religion rather than a political organization. Lots of bothsiderism to be "fair", rather than recognizing budding fascism.  Only recently has coverage changed somewhat, although, reporters such as Peter Baker (NYT) have not yet caught on....tomorrow, the pros and cons of slavery.

    In a way, Hillary would not have been our first female president. Edith Wilson was sub rosa president, and, Joan Quigley might be the second. As astrologer to Nancy Reagan, she claimed to have absolute influence over movements of Ronald and great influence overall. Arguably, it may be that Nancy holds that second place having hired Joan, or it may have been a co-presidency: Nancy/Joan.


    Yes (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 07:40:29 PM EST
    the media was sure down on those interviews from a MINORITY of Americans. The GOP losing in 2018 seemed to at least shake them out of the whole shtick.

    Hope Barr's October surprise (none / 0) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:31:21 PM EST
    is as Michael Tomansky (Daily Beast) suggests.  Barr will spring indictments of former law enforcement officials involved in probing Russian interference in the 2016 elections.  The big surprise is that he will get prosecutor John Durham to allege that Russia was working to get Hillary elected, not Trump.

    Firstly, we have heard that one before, and secondly, that should seal the deal for laughingstock of the year award. Only to be topped off if Barr and his sidekick, Durham, indict Mueller.


    Speculating ..... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:45:17 PM EST
    That thing with Berman is going to be important.  He did an amazing thing.  They were going to install their plant and he stopped it.  Just by not going quietly.

    Barr's quick surrender to a situation, in SDNY, that is every bit as dire for them as it was last week before this embarrassing spectacle with Berman suggests he understand limits.   Even if Trump does not.

    Barr imo will gladly throw the chosen one under the bus to save himself.

    Just speculating.


    It (none / 0) (#30)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 01:25:12 PM EST
    seems like Barr has chained himself to the chosen one, underbussing might no longer be an option for him. As Bolton said, obstructing justice is a way of life for these clowns.

    I so hope (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by smott on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 02:16:01 PM EST
    That a Biden DOJ goes balls to the wall after Barr.
    He's incredibly dangerous. I hope they investigate and if they have enough to put him in jail.,they go for it.
    Barr has destroyed the public's faith in rule of law. He's done incalculable damage, and the punishment should be severe.

    We have to make it clear that that will not be tolerated, and set an example. I don't want to hear one word about "looking forward, not back".  This rot needs to be removed.


    That is one of (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:35:51 PM EST
    the biggest fears I have with Biden: He'll repeat Obama's disastrous turn the page strategy. If Biden does not do what is necessary we are sunk as a country.

    I hope they don't decide (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 11:52:31 AM EST
    They need to take Bobs silk screened image off my Bob Marley Vaporizer

    But I guess it is a bit of a stereotype

    In case you think I'm kidding (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 12:56:13 PM EST
    The Trayvon Hoax documentary available (none / 0) (#33)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 02:17:26 PM EST
    for free on YouTube and elsewhere right now. The alleged witness fraud from the Zimmerman trial is probably the biggest legal story the media is avoiding right now.

    The case for fraud in this film is compelling and I haven't heard anyone debunk it.  It seems people don't really care if a false witness was used in one of the biggest criminal trials of the past 50 years.

    My only criticism is it's a documentary where the filmmaker, Joel Gilbert, has a lot of screen time... like Michael Moore or Morgan Spurlock do in their films. I prefer the Errol Morris, Ken Burns style. Other than that, I recommend it.  

    I know, right? (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Yman on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 06:27:17 PM EST
    Just like "the media" avoided Pizzagate, vaccines, chemtrails and Sandy Hook.  They really need to look into the QAnon movie, too.

    The case for fraud in this film is compelling and I haven't heard anyone debunk it.  It seems people don't really care if a false witness was used in one of the biggest criminal trials of the past 50 years

    No - it seems people (well, ... most people) are too smart to be duped by Joel Gilbert's tinfoil, conspiracy garbage.  But check out his other "compelling" work - turns out Paul McCartney is really dead, Elvis is really alive and "Dreams From My Real Father" - with garbage so vile I won't even repeat it in satire.

    Anyone who believes a word out of Gilbert's lying mouth is a m0ron.


    Why do you keep doing this? (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:51:38 PM EST
    McBain: "The alleged witness fraud from the Zimmerman trial is probably the biggest legal story the media is avoiding right now."

    A 17-year-old Black child was tragically and senselessly killed by a right-wing racist who harbored a police fetish, and who I think probably watched too many Dirty Harry and Death Wish movies.

    There is nothing even remotely redeemable or forgivable about George Zimmerman's misguided vigilantism that night, for all those many well-documented reasons which I and many others here have already discussed ad nauseum in the past.

    Suffice to say that no matter how many times you try to put lipstick on this pig, he's never going to be anything more than a pig with lipstick. Please give it a rest already, and allow Trayvon Martin to finally rest in peace.



    No McBain, Don't Give it a Rest (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 05:16:55 PM EST
    The comments attacking you exactly mirror the hate mail that Loury and McWhorter received that they discussed in part II of their series on this subject.  As they stated, there are people so dedicated to an ideology that they refuse to accept anything that might contradict the fairy tale they have constructed about the goodness of Trayvon Martin and his family.  Eric Zorn is right that the only way to make it go away to to examine the extremely serious witness tampering charges in court.

    Speaking of "fairy tales" (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 04:24:33 PM EST
    No - "examining" it in court won't make it go away any more than Obama producing his birth certificate made the birthers go away.  You just have to point your finger at Klayman's many lawsuits and laugh at him.

    BTW - People who attack a dead teenager and his family are pretty much scum of the earth.


    Yman, Just for the Record (none / 0) (#162)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 06:02:31 PM EST
    I will start to give your opinions more respect when you start dealing with evidence.  Of course you don't care.  You are here to express, not educate.

    "For the record" (none / 0) (#169)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:15:45 PM EST
    You should tell someone who cares the tiniest bit about whether you respect their opinion.

    Personally, I couldn't care less about your opinion.

    But the "here to express, not to educate" - from the guy pushing tinfoil, wingnut conspiracy theories - was funny.


    Thanks Ricky (none / 0) (#167)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:30:59 PM EST
    I'll continue to stick up for the victims of a rush to judgement and mob mentality. I agree with Loury and McWhorter, some people have dug themselves in too deep to accept anything that doesn't fit their narrow views.

    Something people forget about that case is the Martin family never filed a civil suit against GZ and the DOJ never brought charges despite a long investigation.

    As for GZ's lawsuit, I think he needs Jeantel and Eugene to admit to the fraud.  If they deny or avoid giving statements I'm not sure if it ever makes it to a trial or settlement.  The DNA, the voice and handwriting experts and especially the phone records help make a strong common sense case but I don't know how much of that evidence is likely to be admissible in a civil suit.


    What Would the Statute of Limitations Be (none / 0) (#168)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 07:54:50 PM EST
    for criminal charges to be brought against Jeantel and Eugene?  I guess the case against them is much stronger than against the parents and Crump.

    I'll Pass for Now (none / 0) (#50)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 07:25:39 PM EST
    Has Gilbert explained why he didn't interview the person who he says really was on the phone with Trayvon?  What is the current status of the Larry Klayman lawsuit?  Have you read the Wikipedia article on Gilbert?  

    The woman Gilbert claims (none / 0) (#53)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 07:57:07 PM EST
    to have been on the phone with Trayvon Martin, Brittany Diamond Eugene, is in the film but never asked about that.  Pretty sure she would have never agreed to talk to him if he told her what he was really doing and Gilbert wouldn't have been able to collect the evidence he believes proves the fraud.  He got creative to get what he needed.

    As for the Klayman lawsuit. Here's the only interesting info I've come accross

    Under Florida Law, a plaintiff can submit a list of up to 30 questions, each beginning, "Admit that you...." Under penalty of perjury, the defendant must either admit or deny each statement. If the defendant doesn't bother to answer any of the questions, the court assumes that they are admitted as true

    In reading through their respective responses, one gets the sense that Corey and Guy are setting up lead prosecutor de la Rionda for the fall.

    The prosecutors and the others involved have to be sweating the response of Trayvon's actual girlfriend and real phone witness, Brittany Diamond Eugene. The recent criminal justice graduate of Florida State University has changed lawyers twice already, but she has never lied under oath. She has no compelling reason to start now. Maybe that's why she did not respond to her "Requests for Admissions"?

    I'd like to read those responses to verify.  I don't see an official link and not sure how to search for it.

    Why do you ask about Gilbert's Wiki page? I don't really care about his other films or politics.  I want answers to the ignored questions about one case in particular.


    Here's an interesting review (none / 0) (#54)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:02:10 PM EST
    of the documentary by people who actually viewed it.

    I'll Watch That (none / 0) (#56)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:15:53 PM EST
    Both Loury and McWhorter are known to me and definitely are not nut cases.

    And What They Said (none / 0) (#63)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 09:59:17 PM EST
    seemed to be correct, at least in Part I.  Their description of some evidentiary matters in Part II had some inaccuracies.  They knew who Joel Gilbert was but still found his Trayvon research worthy of serious consideration.  That is typical of serious academics like them.  They seemed to be annoyed that the distortions in the Zimmerman case may weaken the fight for racial equality and justice.  I approach it, as you know, from the angle that it just shows the weakness of the adversary system and allowing prosecutions to be run by politicians.  In a strong apolitical justice system, Zimmerman would not have been charged.

    I forgot if I heard this from Loury and McWhorter (none / 0) (#68)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 10:43:52 AM EST
    or somewhere else... sometimes the only people exposing the truth about something controversial are the so called conspiracy theorists. Everyone else is afraid to go against mainstream view.

    During the Zimmerman trial, conservative sites like the Conservative Treehouse, provided a lot of important information most were ignoring.  They suggested Rachel Jeantel wasn't on the phone with Trayvon just before he was killed. They believed another young woman was used for the Crump tape recorded press conference.

    Jeralyn was the anomaly, a liberal voice who dared cover the facts of case and opine things like this...

    The legacy of this case will be that the media never gets it right, and worse, that a group of lawyers, with the aid of a public relations team, who had a financial stake in the outcome of pending and anticipated civil litigation, were allowed to commandeer control of Florida's criminal justice system, in pursuit of a divisive, personal agenda.

    Conspiracy theories aren't "the truth" (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Yman on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 11:19:23 AM EST
    Neither are the personal opinions of anyone, including someone looking at it from the perspective of a criminal defense attorney.  It's merely another opinion.

    ... sometimes the only people exposing the truth about something controversial are the so called conspiracy theorists. Everyone else is afraid to go against mainstream view.

    "Everyone else" has to follow basic rules of journalistic ethics.  The advantage to being a conspiracy theorist is you can distort facts/evidence to fit your preconceived conclusions - or just make $hit up while ignoring actual facts.  Like say ... claiming Elvis is alive ... or Paul McCartney is dead and has been replaced with a double ... or Obama's father .... blah, blah, blah.


    Loury and McWhorter (none / 0) (#70)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 11:35:20 AM EST
    seemed to be incredulous that the truth could come from such a source as Gilbert, and not a more legit investigative journalist, but still thought that what he said about the witness swapping fraud was probably true.  You should watch their presentation, Yman, both parts, since they do go over the points you raise.

    Not remotely interested (none / 0) (#71)
    by Yman on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 12:41:10 PM EST
    I don't waste my time with conspiracy theorists.

    Quit sucking-up, McBain (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 12:55:26 PM EST
    Just because you and some others are too endlessly, willfully, thick to grasp the reality that many people will justifiably go on the offensive when they're threatened by someone with a gun.

    Oy (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 04:02:07 PM EST
    After another round of testing for Trump campaign staff in Tulsa, two additional members of the campaign advance team tested positive for the coronavirus, MSNBC reports.

    Unlike the previous six staffers who tested positive, these two staff members attended the Saturday night rally.

    There is a mobile covid testing site (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 05:20:43 PM EST
    In my neighborhood.  I just got a covid test and a blood antibody test quick and easy and free.

    Three days.  Or so.

    A friend of mine (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 07:38:10 PM EST
    that lives in Stuttgart is freaking out about covid and the case in AR and your governor's response and she said almost everybody in her town is not wearing a mask and they are acting like covid doesn't even exist.

    I don't think my state is alone in this (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:41:23 PM EST
    We are not even in the top 5 anymore.

    My own experience lately has been different.  I guess it depends on where you live and where you shop.


    Poor Joel Schumacher (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 06:15:38 PM EST
    A lifetime of work and this is what he will be remembered for

    But both movies, notable for their camp and colorful style, were assailed by many critics and fans, who took particular exception to the nipples Schumacher added to Batman's suit.

    Joel Schumacher dies at 80

    I thought the Val Kilmer Batman wasn't bad (none / 0) (#55)
    by McBain on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:05:16 PM EST
    and much better than the second Tim Burton effort. The change from dark and depressing visuals to more color, maybe a bit over the top, worked for me.  I didn't make it through the Clooney Batman.

    You can tell yourself that (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:33:33 PM EST
    But it was the n!pples.

    Not fooling anyone.


    I remember commenting to a friend (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 09:22:29 PM EST
    While watching one of those Schumacher Bat movies in a theater that I would really really love to have one of those suits.

    Laughing out loud he said (no one cared we were talking because it was more interesting than the movie) "where would you wear it?"

    No no, I said.  I would not wear it.  I would make someone else wear it.


    This (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 09:26:07 PM EST
    I hope Joel Schumacher will be remembered ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:31:48 PM EST
    ... for more than his two mediocre-to-dreadful Batman movies. He also directed two crime-legal thrillers adapted from John Grisham novels, The Client (1994) and A Time to Kill (1996), as well as comedies like The Incredible Shrinking Woman (1981) and The Lost Boys (1987).

    I'd say Schumacher was a dependably competent director with a pretty solid body of work. Hopefully, people can say the same for each of us when our own respective numbers are called, while also diplomatically ignoring the few critical misfires we've all surely had along the way.



    Was I him (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:56:25 PM EST
    I would have seized the key to immortality and insisted my tombstone had n!pples.

    That was not a joke.


    I have told several family members (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 04:04:06 PM EST
    That when the time comes I do not want a tombstone but if there is one it should say


    every time I meet a new person they say, oh yeah, you're the one that worked at Disney.


    This seems important (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 08:35:25 PM EST
    Wonder if he will do it.

    Scoop: House Judiciary prepares to subpoena Attorney General Bill Barr

    There is a link at the link to a interesting letter from Jim Jordon.

    Couple of things. (none / 0) (#64)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 at 10:17:38 PM EST
    Gym Jordan's letter to Nadler sounds like it was written by Barr (or a buddy).  And, it dripped of desperation---pleading not to.compel his testimony by subpoena.   That would not look good apparently.  Please just ask Barr nicely (so he can tell you to go fly a kite).  Barr should be subpoenaed.

    Just out (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 12:44:25 PM EST
    At least 95% masked at Walmart

    Publix (none / 0) (#75)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 01:05:29 PM EST
    about 85%, better than last week.

    Publics (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:50:33 PM EST
    100% down here, but so crowded it scared me.  Also got a haircut and went to the doctors, both were scary places.  I came home, sprayed my groceries and took a shower.  

    Two (none / 0) (#85)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 04:07:24 PM EST
    Publix near me, one about 3 minutes away but it is quite small. I always go to the one about 8 minutes away because it is full size and rarely super crowded.

    I got mostly over the spraying the groceries and taking a shower but I do have a decontamination process before I get in the car and take of my mask.


    Wal-Mart (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:37:25 PM EST
    here about 25% wearing masks. Our cases are also rapidly increasing.

    A first account (none / 0) (#76)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 02:51:25 PM EST
    I think they're coming to get you, Abdul (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:08:31 PM EST
    You should probably hide in your closet with enough provisions for the duration. We'll tell you when it's safe to come out.

    She sure sounds legit, but (none / 0) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:26:15 PM EST
    I cannot find any news source that is reporting this happened.

    Mere gun shots (none / 0) (#129)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:15:22 AM EST
    In Minneapolis don't rise to the level of newsworthy. Without bodies it's just another day. About as expected for a city run by Democrats for a half century.

    Cities? (none / 0) (#130)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:40:50 AM EST
    Gun violence happens everywhere - every single day.  Especially in those red states run by Republicans.  Even when you don't count gun suicides, as ammosexuals are wont to do (guess they don't really believe "All lives matter).



    They all share the same "tool" (none / 0) (#80)
    by Yman on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 03:33:52 PM EST
    Common criminals and the most dangerous extremists of all - the rightwing whackjobs.

    Hoping peter g (none / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 04:39:26 PM EST
    Will shed some light on news the PA Supreme Court "permitted" Cosby to appeal the criminal case judgment.

    In nearly every state, anyone who loses their case (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 07:42:53 PM EST
    at the trial court level, civil or criminal, has a right to one level of "direct appeal." (Although not in Virginia, I'm told; there, all appeals are by permission.) Typically, except in the smallest states, that "appeal of right" lies to an "intermediate appellate court" (often called the "court of appeals" or "court of appeal," but that varies from state to state). As you can imagine, in a state of any size, there are thousands of such appeals every year, most of them utterly routine and unlikely to be precedent-setting. After sentencing, Cosby had that right to appeal (to what is called the Pennsylvania Superior Court) and exercised it. That court ruled against him on all his issues (94-page PDF) on December 19, 2019. Beyond that, there is no further right to appeal, but there is a right to ask for another, final level of "appeal by permission," to the state Supreme Court. That court gets a couple thousand requests per year and accepts/grants 100-200 of them. Cosby's lawyers filed a request in early January for the Supreme Court to "allow" his appeal on four issues. Today that court agreed to hear the case on two of those issues. Meanwhile, he remains in prison serving a three-to-ten year sentence.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#110)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 10:01:46 PM EST
    (My legal skills are getting pretty stale. CA criminal appellate procedure is the same as to CA Supreme Court's discretion to accept case if not a death penalty case.)

    KY Senate primary today (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 04:39:52 PM EST
    Very interesting.  Not sure I have a strategic preference.  They both seem pretty great

    But it will be very interesting to see who wins.

    Kentucky votes on which Democrat will take on Mitch McConnell

    Both lose (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:39:08 PM EST
    to Mitch. Only Amy has a lot of money is the main difference so she probably wouldn't lose by as much as Booker would.

    Ramps and stairs. (none / 0) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 04:48:38 PM EST
    I can do it better than you can. no you can't, yes I can..... oops,  no I can't.

    What's happening in real time (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 05:05:47 PM EST
    Is hard to believe.  Even for the new reality.

    Trump is getting thousands of people into a room in what is literally the "hottest spot" in the country right now

    They had vast out door areas with misting fans.  

    People are going to start getting sick.  Will he keep doing it when they do?  Why would he not if they will come.

    Interesting times.


    The (none / 0) (#92)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:00:13 PM EST
    Spreadysville Address.

    Meant (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:01:14 PM EST
    Spreadysburg address.

    But didn't you see this particular (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:12:28 PM EST
    AZ church has such a fine new air filtration system it filters out 99.99% of the virus?

    And it was developed (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:20:47 PM EST
    You know (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:23:22 PM EST
    It's that damn .1% that gets you every time.

    Wait (none / 0) (#97)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:25:06 PM EST
    a minute, they believe in science? Isn't that heresy or something?

    A kind of science (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:35:36 PM EST
    I guess

    Trump Mulls Declaring End to Coronavirus Emergency

    June 23, 2020 at 4:51 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 409 Comments

    "The Trump administration, eager to claim victory over the coronavirus, has been considering scaling back the national emergency declared earlier this year to control the pandemic," the Los Angeles Times reports.

    "The prospect has stoked alarm among public health leaders, physicians, hospital officials and others who are trying to control the outbreak and fear that such a move would make it more difficult for state and local governments and health systems to keep the coronavirus in check."

    If I cover my face with hands you can't see me.  Right?


    Then (none / 0) (#103)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:48:57 PM EST
    there is the joke, not a joke
    The Trump administration is ending funding and support for local COVID-19 testing sites around the country this month, as cases and hospitalizations are skyrocketing in many states.

    The federal government will stop providing money and support for 13 sites across five states which were originally set up in the first months of the pandemic to speed up testing at the local level.

    Stop testing and the problem goes away, so sayeth the stable genius.

    Pfft (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:46:16 PM EST
    Turns out Clean Air EXP

    has a web site


    Ted Lieu on Twitter (none / 0) (#100)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:43:52 PM EST
    : #COVID19 is spread through respiratory droplets from one person to another. That's why enclosed spaces where people are next to each other for long periods, like at church, have become super spreader events. Did you clear your statement with your lawyers?

    Ted Lieu


    Not a doctor but (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:48:25 PM EST
    The use of multiple high power misting fans on a large densely packed group of unmasked people just seemed particularly ill advised.

    In my experience as a criminal defense lawyer, (none / 0) (#104)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 07:22:48 PM EST
    the correlation between consumer fraudsters and fundamentalist churches is more than random.

    Hey (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    Have you seen this

    Prosecutor says he was pressured to cut Roger Stone 'a break' because of his ties to Trump

    His statement or testimony or whatever has already been released and boy does it sound bad.

    Wonder what you think about a current employee of the justice department letting loose on Barr.

    He is supposed to testify tomorrow.


    I was very surprised (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 07:47:58 PM EST
    that the one who resigned from the case but not from the DOJ (went back to being an AUSA in the District of Maryland) agreed to testify (and was not prevented from testifying by some sort of privilege claim). When I first saw the headline, I figured it had to be the Stone prosecutor who resigned from the case and also quit the DOJ, as one of them did (a guy I have gone up against, and thought was a hard-charging fanatic). Quite extraordinary, it seems to me.

    Not to put too fine a point on it (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 07:44:31 PM EST
    Fake news (none / 0) (#99)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 06:37:10 PM EST
    Looks like baseball is coming back in July (none / 0) (#109)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 23, 2020 at 09:40:56 PM EST
    Players signed off on Major League Baseball's health and safety protocols and agreed to report to training camps at their home stadiums by July 1 in preparation for a pandemic-shortened regular season of 60 games.

    "All remaining issues have been resolved and players are reporting to training camps," the MLB Players Association tweeted early Tuesday evening.

    The regular season is expected to start July 23 or July 24 without fans and run through late September.

    Might be a little strange without fans in the stands but I'm definitely looking forward to watching some baseball. Not being able to watch sports or play team sports has made the past few months a bit less enjoyable. Hopefully, amateur leagues will start up soon.  

    Flynn wins (none / 0) (#116)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:22:29 AM EST
    As a father who claimed he was protecting his kid from charges Flynn got a victory today in his bid to have his case dismissed.  Maybe there will be a thread devoted to that topic.

    It has been obvious for some time that Sullivan was far from a neutral party and should have been recused.

    2-1 vote of appellate panel (5.00 / 5) (#121)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:40:30 AM EST
    on partisan lines, barring Judge Sullivan from even holding a hearing to inquire into apparent political favoritism in the Barr DoJ's prosecutorial practices. Opinion by Judge Rao (38-page PDF), a prime example of recent extremist court-stacking. En banc (full bench) review by the Circuit likely, if not Supreme Court.

    Doubt (none / 0) (#123)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:50:39 AM EST
    an En banc review and even more doubt it goes to the SC.  There was a two page memo from Struck the FBI released yesterday (talk about discovery violations) that was suppose to be the reason the the wording in the decision was the original investigation was 'in bad faith' and justified DOJ dropping the case in the interest of justice.  Of course the recently released Struck memo was heavily redacted and will never see the light of day.

    It is all over but the shouting.


    Your giddiness is adorable (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:58:21 AM EST
    Like a starving man who finds a fat juicy grub.

    Trump fired (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:32:21 PM EST
    Flynn,  maybe Flynn will sue Trump for something ---unfairly treating a foreign agent.?

    Unless the evil Judge Sullivan or the corrupt (5.00 / 7) (#132)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:47:05 AM EST
    FBI hacked my computer overnight and disabled the Adobe Acrobat search function, I can assure you that whatever your (uncited) source may be falsely telling you, the words "in bad faith" do not appear in the new D.C. Circuit panel opinion at all. There is no such finding. (I can also tell you from long experience that no document released yesterday and not made part of the record of the case had, or could have had, any effect at all on an opinion released this morning.)

    You really need to get up to speed Peter (1.67 / 3) (#149)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 02:48:08 PM EST
    The document was included in the 24 January filing, but was only released (heavily redacted) to the public yesterday.

    It made clear the FBI's first take was that Flynn was truthful but higher ups, including Obama, said Flynn should be investigated by 'the right people'.

    The difference between Trump and Obama is Trump does stuff out in the open with tweets and pressers while Obama does things in secret.

    I am still wondering why so much of the document is still redacted.  You got an answer to that.


    Don't tell me what I need to do (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 03:57:26 PM EST
    I don't work for you. And if you didn't mean that literally, then I don't appreciate the snarky tone and will not respond to it. I responded to the facts as you presented them (the making public yesterday of a particular document) and the inference you drew (that it would explain a court decision), which on those facts was implausible. Today's court opinion speaks for itself.

    Now I can't stop laughing (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 04:30:10 PM EST
    The guy who can't even read a simple opinion - who repeatedly lies about what's in the opinion - gets called on his lies and now tells PeterG he needs to "get up to speed"?


    On next week's episode, Trump tells Obama he needs to "get in shape" and shares his workout tips.


    Trump workout routine (5.00 / 3) (#165)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 06:21:19 PM EST
    Running down 10 feet of a ramp. If you think about running down the ramp, it counts as exercise.



    Pete Williams just said (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 11:08:19 AM EST
    It will go to the full court if Judge Sullivan wanted to appeal OR if any member of the full court wanted that to happen.

    Waiting for the other shoe to drop, he said.


    Oops (none / 0) (#200)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 30, 2020 at 12:16:10 PM EST
    Looks like they granted an en banc review.

    Lots of cites to Cheney in the (none / 0) (#137)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:11:06 PM EST
    majority opinion.

    That particular "Cheney" opinion of (none / 0) (#146)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 02:08:23 PM EST
    the Supreme Court is generally acknowledged to be the authoritative source of the current standard checklist of criteria for issuance of a writ of mandamus from a higher court to a lower court.

    Very harsh wording in the decision (2.00 / 1) (#122)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:44:50 AM EST
    Since the original case was 'in bad faith' according to the decision Flynn is able to sue DOJ/FBI and the individuals involved.  Speculation is that a two page memo from Struck that the FBI just released to Flynn's legal team YESTERDAY was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Struck for sure will get sued and it is possible Comey as well.

    He will likely recoup his six mill plus legal fees in addition to other damages.


    Even funnier (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:57:15 AM EST
    "Speculation is ..." - now you're just trying to be funny.

    Since the original case was 'in bad faith' according to the decision ...

    Uhhhmmmm ... what?!?  I just scanned the decision very quickly.  Where exactly does it say that?


    Yes, the question as Rao and Henderson (none / 0) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 11:35:54 AM EST
    saw it .." was not whether the Executive's legal theory is ultimately correct but whether the Executive has the constitutional discretion to end this prosecution, which it does."  "In the initiation and cessation of a prosecution, it the Executive's review of the law that matters, not ours, because of its authority over criminal charging decisions."

    The Circuit panel acknowledges that dismissal involves "leave of the Court," but sees it as limited in scope--the District Court may check for regularity and ensure that it is in the defendant's interest, i.e., is not being harassed by the motion to dismiss, but, apparently, the panel does not see it as a two-way street, i.e., whether the dismissal is in the interest of the public.

    No second-guessing prosecutor's evaluation of the evidence except in the "blatant and extreme case," which, evidently, this is not one.

    Rao and Henderson did not only not like former Judge Gleeson's brief, but, it seems, misunderstood the District judge's reasoning for inviting it---just a private citizen arguing that another citizen should be deprived of his liberty.

    A case of the pot calling the kettle beige.  The Circuit Court went way out there to correct what they saw as a District Court  being way out there. So much law at stake, it needs to go to the full Circuit.

    However, no reference to Peter Strzok or bad faith.


    Constitutional Discretion?? (none / 0) (#136)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 11:59:26 AM EST
    Oh BS.  Where in the US Constitution is there anything that says prosecutions are totally at the discretion of the executive branch?  Why have grand juries and preliminary hearings if that is the case?  I so wish the US would follow the rest of the world in having whether there is a prosecution or not be up to a (hopefully apolitical) judge who won't order one until he or she has reviewed the evidence.  And all prosecutors are low key civil servants.

    Are you tired of winning (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:24:11 AM EST

    My impression of this situation (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:36:41 AM EST
    Was that what the judge was trying to do was always a bit of a long shot.

    But like Berman he won by losing by making this a much bigger story than Barr and his minions wanted it to be.

    Barr is in deep stuff.  60+ faculty members of his former law school, Georgetown, released an amazing letter yesterday (I think) calling him out and shining more light where he least wants it.

    I doubt Barr makes it to Election Day.

    And btw Flynn's problems are miles from over.


    Flynn was the (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 04:59:40 PM EST
    beneficiary of the luck of the draw, getting Trump's reactionary judge, Neomi Rao.  Ms. Rao has a different slant on matters, such as her support of dwarf tossing--that fun sport of throwing little people around.  But, she has backtracked somewhat on her opinion that date rape is on the women who put themselves in that position by drinking too much. An inelegant choice of words, you know.

    Struck is the one with problems (none / 0) (#125)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:53:20 AM EST
    Since the decision included the wording the case was started 'in bad faith' that means Flynn can sue him for legal fees (North of six million) and damages.  Not to mention others involved, which may include Comey.  

    By the by what problems do you see for Flynn.


    If it lasts longer than four hours, (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 10:14:50 AM EST
    Since the decision included the wording the case was started 'in bad faith' that means Flynn can sue him for legal fees (North of six million) and damages.  Not to mention others involved, which may include Comey.

     ... call your doctor.  Or - even easier - just call someone who's able to read the actual opinioon to you, since this claim that you keep repeating is a ridiculous lie.


    He was planning (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 12:43:46 PM EST
    a kidnapping on behalf of Turkey for one. He's on tape coddling the Russians apparently. I don't think Flynn is going to have much of a case against anybody. There's even a picture of him with Putin which would have been enough to start an investigation to find out why he was dining with Putin. The fact that he's a likely Russian asset would make it stupid for Flynn to sue anybody.

    I made several posts (none / 0) (#150)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 02:53:04 PM EST
    about it only being a matter of time before Sullivan was going to be smacked down for his high handed moves in the Flynn case.  Something I still stand by.

    I am still convinced Flynn will sue in civil court and win big bucks.  Like it or not Obama directed his minions to investigate Flynn over the objections of the first line FBI agents who thought there was no need to continue the investigation.  This will be an easy win for Flynn.


    You're (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 03:29:07 PM EST
    spouting conspiracy theories and lies on this entire thread. Flynn is also subject to state crimes for conspiracy to commit kidnapping. I don't know why you keep apologizing for a Putin stooge but you do. You really sound desperate.

    Flynn is as unlikely to face state charges (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 05:06:22 PM EST
    for conspiracy to commit kidnapping (or anything else) as he is to sue and win millions. Neither one is going to happen (would be my guess).

    "Far from neutral" - heh (none / 0) (#120)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 09:37:06 AM EST
    A 3 judge panel - including a Trump appointee - votes 2-1 to let Flynn skate, but Sullivan's the "far from neutral party.


    Flynn deserves far more than the minimal sentence he was facing under the deal he negotiated.


    This "Justice" thing is like a virus (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 11:56:27 AM EST

    Bolsonaro Ordered to Wear Face Mask

    June 24, 2020 at 12:41 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 17 Comments

    Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro has been ordered by a federal judge in Brasilia to wear a face mask in public or face a fine, CNN reports.

    Speaking of face masks... (none / 0) (#147)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 02:15:36 PM EST
    The Florida keys and all of Monroe county has mandated every person must wear a face mask while entering and being in any public building.  This is why everybody was covered in Publics yesterday.  It was however impossible to stay six feet away from each other.

    Bad news for Biden (none / 0) (#148)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 02:42:27 PM EST
    The revelation contradicts Biden's claim of total ignorance regarding the Flynn probe when he was vice president, which he was asked about during a May 12 interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos.

    "I know nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn," he said at the time.

    The article goes on to say

    The previously sealed document also says that former President Barack Obama told top members of his administration that "the right people" should investigate Flynn.

    So according (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 03:31:39 PM EST
    to you we should allow people to sell the country out to Putin? Nobody should investigate probably treason. This shows exactly where conservatives are these days. They will destroy everything to attempt to stay in power.

    Even your (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 24, 2020 at 03:39:08 PM EST
    article says Flynn committed a crime. Sheesh.

    S. E. Cupp (none / 0) (#171)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:00:20 AM EST
    In a statement (paraphrased) that she might be able to vote for Biden as long as he is just moderate (Republican) enough and doesn't basically cater to the left by policy or administration picks. Over and over, Republicans advise on how "Republican" Biden must be to get their vote. For once, can the Democrats please cater to all of their base rather than catering to conservative Republicans.

    Please no "kumbaya" Democratic President.

    I'm pretty sure (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:23:23 AM EST
    You will get your wish.

    First I don't think anyone much cares what S.E. Cup thinks or does.   She is absolutely one of the ones that should have their lifeboat torched.  Way to late S.E.  There are plenty of republicans who are going to vote for Biden without conditions
    like Carly Fiorina

    The polls get worse by the day.  This is today.

    Here are the numbers:

    Michigan: Biden 47%, Trump 36%
    Wisconsin: Biden 49%, Trump 38%
    Pennsylvania: Biden 50%, Trump 40%
    Florida: Biden 47%, Trump 41%
    North Carolina: Biden 49%, Trump 40%
    Arizona: Biden 48%, Trump 41%


    To be clear (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:26:55 AM EST
    Who knows what Biden will do


    It's clear where the party is going.  Fortunately Biden in confined and is likely to stay that way.  Trump is right about one thing.  Biden is a prisoner of the party.  He will do what he is told I think.

    Should we be pleased and satisfied with that?  No.  But it could be worse.  Bernie could now be leaning into socialism to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


    Hopefully (none / 0) (#176)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:58:37 AM EST
    the Democratic Party does not care what S. E. Cupp and other like minded Republicans think. As the last Democratic administration proved, you can lose your majorities in D.C. and throughout the states in a blink of an eye.

    As displayed by the attempts to get bipartisan support for the ACA, the only thing "kumbaya" gets you is weaker legislation. The Republicans are not interested in providing good government and if the Dems once again accommodate their need to cut social programs to meet Republican demands to reduce the deficit, we can anticipate losing any majorities we obtain.


    My impression is (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 08:07:38 AM EST
    They retain no illusions about "working across the aisle".

    The talk instead in about getting rid of the filibuster.  Which I am all for.  There was this recently

    Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told Politico that he won't rule out getting rid of the filibuster.

    Said Coons: "I will not stand idly by for four years and watch the Biden administration's initiatives blocked at every turn."

    Coons is definitely one of the ones pining for bipartisanship

    Not any more.


    Hope you are right (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 08:45:10 AM EST
    IMO, based on the mood of the country, the Dems had a chance to bury the Republican Party in 2008 and keep majorities for years. Instead they chose to go along with much of the Republican playbook of suddenly worrying about the deficit and cutting much needed social programs. This sh!t of the Republicans running up the deficit on giveaways to the rich and corporate interests during their time in power and the Dems cutting social programs to prove that they are not the "spend and tax" or worse yet the "socialist" party, has got to stop.  

    I think the plan should be (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 08:59:26 AM EST
    And seems to be, if they take the senate and the White House to get rid of the filibuster and shove through everything they can and let the republicans try to take it back.

    As they learned with the ACA that's way harder that stopping it from happening.


    I think it's a good sign (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 09:29:58 AM EST
    They are blocking the "Republican police reform" thing.

    There was a time democrats would not have had the stones to stand up to this in an environment where the pressure for change is so high.

    As they all did through impeachment democrats are 100% together.  As far as I know.

    I think there is no doubt all the years Obama wasted trying to get republicans to like him has left a mark.  I don't think it will happen again.

    Even if Biden wants to.  Which he totally might.  He will sign what they give him and like it.



    I hope so. (none / 0) (#190)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 03:06:16 PM EST
    Obama seemed to infect the entire party with kumbaya. I don't get it. I have the same concerns about Bide. I hope I'm wrong.

    HBO streaming subscribers? (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 08:27:41 AM EST
    A funny thing is happening with HBO.

    they have famously bungled the launch of HBO MAX

    the thing is, I have HBO NOW.  The old streaming service.  They have stopped supporting this app but not stopped streaming it.  As I said I have it.  But when you try to log onto the site to, for example, cancel or get any other info you get this funny error message that say "we don't support this anymore and your provider does not support HBO MAX" - this is true.  One of the major screwups is not getting it on providers  like Firestick.  Which is a major provider. - "but you will continue to get HBO NOW --- for now --- or whatever."

    Ok.  Fine.  Here's the thing my subscription has lapsed and they can not charge me because I changed my debit card to stop some things.  Like amazon prime.  Amazon no longer has phone support because --- virus.  I tried two months to cancel my subscription.  So I cancelled the card they are charging.

    Anyway, shorter version.  I have had free HBO for almost a month and I don't think the have figured it out.  Or seem likely to any time soon.

    I have HBO (none / 0) (#184)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 11:24:57 AM EST
    as an add on to Hulu. Simple click changed regular HBO to HBO Max.

    Right (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 11:42:16 AM EST
    HBO Max launched last week without support for Amazon's Fire TV devices, and it might be a while before that changes.

    Also Roku

    The link gives an explanation of how to "get around" that but personally it sounds like a pain. Plus, as I said, I am currently getting free HBO.  At least until they figure it out.  My plan was always to either upgrade or cancel my HBO NOW at the end of last month and move.

    That is literally impossible for me right now.  Trust me.

    I'm pretty sure they will find a way to eventually include FireStick and Roku



    On paying for entertainment (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 11:56:08 AM EST
    There are other big changes at my house.

    I have always had cable service either through an actual cable or DirecTV.  I only recently discovered the world of FireStick and Roku.  Because my cable company switched over from being an actual cable company delivered by a cable to a FireStick app delivered through their excellent broadband service.

    There are several benefits to this.  No equipment charges.  No "extra room" charges.  You just get another fire stick.  40.00.

    Anyway, the first thing I did was drop all my premium channels and get HBO NOW.  Which cut my bill in half.

    But sadly for my cable company I did the one week trial of Sling and discovered that it gives me all the tv I need

    For $30.00 a month

    I can literally get the same amount of tv from sling that I have been paying $170.00 a month for from my cable company.  
    And that's after dropping the premiums

    I will be saving $140.00 a month.

    I am very excited and happy the answer any questions about Sling.  My new provider as of yesterday.


    To be clear (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 12:06:01 PM EST
    I would continue getting broadband from the same place.  Just not their overpriced tv bundle.

    We went to streaming (none / 0) (#191)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 03:17:44 PM EST
    and like it better than cable simply because we basically get the only channels we ever watched on cable anyway.

    I had to get rid of Sling because of husband and sports. They apparently don't have the "right" sports channels.


    The sports channels (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 03:49:37 PM EST
    Were a big chunk I never watched

    I have Roku TVs. (none / 0) (#188)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 12:52:16 PM EST
    But I get my HBO through Amazon. HBO is a channel add-on to my Amazon Prime.

    I could still get HBO (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 12:59:13 PM EST
    Through my cable company through their tv service.   It's just Fire and couple of others that HBO has not reached a deal with.  And I now love my FireStick.

    FWIW the marketing says HBO MAX will have content HBO does not.

    Which, who cares.  But it's funny to watch these companies try to keep up.


    I do HBO Now on and off (none / 0) (#182)
    by McBain on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 09:57:16 AM EST
    Currently, I have HBO Max because I have a two week trial for AT&T TV.  The set up for those two services was a disaster.  HBO Max customer service was much better than AT&T.

    It looks like HBO Max has a larger selection of movies than Now and I've been enjoying some of that.  I also starting watching the new Perry Mason series but had a hard time with the first episode.... too dark, violent and depressing.

    Trouble comin every day (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 03:53:21 PM EST
    A New York court rejected an effort by President Trump's family to block publication of a book by the president's niece, Mary Trump, who is said to describe the "nightmare of traumas" that led to her uncle being the "world's most dangerous man," the Washington Post reports.

    However, the effort to block the book is set to continue in a different court.

    The judge dismissed the effort by President Trump's brother, Robert, to block publication on grounds that it was filed in an improper jurisdiction and that a family probate dispute had long been settled.


    More stuff you can't make up (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 03:58:28 PM EST
    President Donald Trump's younger brother emerged from a neurosciences intensive care unit to file a temporary restraining order to stop the publication of their niece's tell-all family memoir.

    Robert Trump spent at least 10 days at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, where he was treated for a serious but undisclosed condition, and was discharged Sunday and filed the order Monday  through one of his older brother's personal attorneys, reported The Daily Beast.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#195)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 05:51:59 PM EST
    Trump did not want his name on this lawsuit and it sounds like he is using his brother as a patsy.

    I guess he's going to make some lawyers money by keeping this in court but this is really stupid. You don't get books stop being published because you don't like them or they are embarrassing. Besides I think Trump now qualifies as a public figure with zero immunity. Probably why he used his brother who probably is rarely mentioned in the book.

    This book though is one I'd be willing to lay down some money for. I hope she gets millions and shares it with her brother.


    Tom Cotton is Nuttier Than a Bag of Squirrels (none / 0) (#196)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 25, 2020 at 07:13:33 PM EST
    Charles P. Pierce on Tom Cotton's objections to DC statehood. I love the title of the article. I'm still laughing.