Tuesday Open Thread: Down for the Count

Denver goes on home stay (aka sheltering in place) this afternoon. The only places we can go are the grocery store, drug store, pharmacy and for medical treatment and the like. It's kind of like home detention without the electronic monitoring, but not quite as strict as home incarceration.

Who else here is stuck at home? What are you doing to pass the time?

I think we're going to be at home for a long time. Last night, The Late Late Show with James Corden repeated his first show from four years ago. If they are planning on going through seasons 1 to 4 in order, that's a few hundred or more shows.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.


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    I need to talk about something else (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 01:46:48 PM EST
    How about limericks?


    A dying mosquito exclaimed,

    "A chemist has poisoned my brain!"

    The cause of his sorrow

    Was para-dichloro-


    A habit depraved and unsavory (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:36:31 PM EST
    Kept the Bishop of Bingham in slavery,

    Midst screeches and howls, he deflowered young owls

    That he kept in an underground aviary.


    I was really hoping this would work (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:49:53 PM EST

    A Tudor who tooted a flute,

    Tried to teach two young Tudors to toot.

    Said the two to the tutor,

    "Is it harder to toot, or

    To tutor two Tudors to toot?"



    The only limericks (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:05:43 PM EST
    I know would probably be deleted by Jeralyn.  😜

    I remember when you told (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 09:39:17 PM EST
    me this one:

    There once was a fellow McSweeny

    Who spilled some gin on his w***ie

    Just to be couth

    He added vermouth

    Then slipped his girl a martini.


    Courtesy of Grandpa (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by CST on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:40:15 AM EST
    There once was a lady from Sparta

    Who was a phenomenal farter

    She'd boom from her @ss

    Bach's B Minor Mass

    And Beethoven's moonlight Sonata


    This one is said (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:33:49 PM EST
    to trace back to the 16th century bard Christopher Marlowe:

    There was a young sailor named Bates

    Who danced the fandango on skates

    But a fall on his cutlass

    Has rendered him n*tless,

    And practically useless on dates.


    So we are going there (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:37:57 PM EST

    An adventurous lady named Jill

    Used a dynamite stick for a dill

    They found her vag!na in Nortn Carolina

    Her breasts in a tree in Brazil



    Texas Lt. Governor, Dan Patrick (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 04:44:26 PM EST
    suggested that the elderly should be willing to die so that the country can "get back to work".  Patrick, who will soon turn 70, is "all in" on the idea, after all we need to think of the children and grandchildren, he said...and the stock market, he implied.

    Mr. Patrick did not indicate if he checked with Dr. Anthony Fauci, age 79, on these matters.  Or, some of his fellow Republicans who were opposed to ACA because it would require "death panels."

    People are going to have to make (none / 0) (#15)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 05:52:59 PM EST
    tough decisions about the risks/rewards of opening things back up.  

    If I was 70 without too much risk of losing my retirement savings/income, I'd probably be in favor of a long shut down.  If was 25, living paycheck to paycheck and about to lose my job, I'd probably want things opening up now.  I'm in between and not sure if this compromise of sheltering in with unclear rules is the best strategy.


    When I was 25 (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by CST on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 10:09:55 AM EST
    I actually liked my parents and did not want them to die.

    Still do, but I did back then too.


    Tough Choices (none / 0) (#25)
    by BGinCA on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:26:12 PM EST
    I would hope that even 25 yr olds would consider the fact that while they may not have severe - or any- symptoms they may be disease vectors. Though they may not be in any specific danger themselves, they are jeopardizing others.
    Think how much someone else's life is worth. This is why it is imperative that aid be extended to working class people, so they are not forced into these Hobson choices.
    I'm sure Typhoid Mary felt pressure to continue working. That worked out well.

    Typhoid (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:38:03 PM EST
    FWIW (none / 0) (#68)
    by CST on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:50:38 AM EST
    People on Spring break right now are Gen Z.

    Millenials are the ones stuck at home with  young kids.


    Fact. (none / 0) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 01:00:56 PM EST
    We call them Zoomers.

    ...we call the Gen Zs Zoomers (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 01:02:15 PM EST
    not the young kids...

    The best way to help the working class (none / 0) (#80)
    by McBain on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:56:29 PM EST
    is to keep them employed.  

    I doubt we're going to be able to close businesses every time there's a pandemic.  It will be interesting to see what happens in a few weeks. I'll be looking into small business loans.  I heard there might be some no interest loans.


    The best way to help the working class (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by BGinCA on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 05:47:31 PM EST
    Keep us alive.

    We're going to have to take some risks BG (3.00 / 1) (#92)
    by McBain on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:55:17 PM EST
    if we want to have the quality of life we're used to. Our country has a long history of people doing that. In order to keep that quality, or close to it, we're going to need to let people work who want to work soon.  

    Quality of Life (5.00 / 5) (#96)
    by BGinCA on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 11:13:30 PM EST
    So, have you done any analysis of the various scenarios for our quality of life (or death) with or without social distancing? Or is this just a feeling you have? I do not want to risk my life or that of my loved one's based on your feelings.
    Actual scientists are advocating for social distancing while a bunch of pontificating no-nothing bobble heads, who will suffer no consequences want preserve 'quality of life.'

    Here's an interesting disucssion (none / 0) (#125)
    by McBain on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:14:40 AM EST
    "Saving Lives or Saving the Economy" with economic and health experts.  A couple of times the point is made it's not one or the other.  Saving the economy can also be saving lives.

    From this article...

    Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin says he anticipates the Senate stimulus package will keep the economy afloat for about three months, as the nation deals with the catastrophic economic fallout from the novel coronavirus.

    I find  that mostly encouraging, however, I don't think the self employed are going to benefit as much from the stimulus.  A couple months without business will likely be devastating to some.  

    The risk taking is (none / 0) (#126)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:19:09 AM EST
    not an individualized one, such as sky diving, but of the consequences of a contagion to others.  And, more encompassing, to the economy.  A premature re-start may make us yearn for today's status as the good old days. The only part of the economy that is, in essence, working is the supply line.  If may be what stands between us and societal chaos and economic depression.

    The supply line involves warehouse workers, delivery workers, and others in the supply chain.   And, the supply line is vulnerable should large numbers of workers become sickened. And, if postal workers are affected, commerce as well as mail voting are at increased jeopardy.  As these are not high paying jobs for the most part, most disaster relief will be necessary.

    If the callousness of sickness and death of fellow citizens, the scarcity of food and other goods, or the possible collapse of the health care system are acceptable risks, perhaps a deep economic depression will not be.  It may be more responsible, if not patriotic, to continue to sit on the couch and enjoy Netflix for a while longer.


    I appreciate your ability to think and to (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:51:26 PM EST
    Write clearly and persuasively.

    Thank you. (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 05:09:58 PM EST
    but regret typos. Guess the eyes aren't what they used to be; even got a few egg shells in the lasagna I made last night.

    It is unrealistic (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 07:11:26 PM EST
    to believe that the virus will exclude those under 70.  Health care professionals and emergency workers are vulnerable for themselves and their families.  Sorting by age as a policy is not unlike the Nazi program labeled as euthanasia---disabled and old were disposable.  Unethical and immoral.

    The current Colorado stats (none / 0) (#114)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:36:10 AM EST
    show most of the cases and hospitalizations are for people under 60. The death rate might be higher in the older demo, the stats don't have that breakdown, but the point is that younger people ARE getting sick and using hospital resources. This is not good for anyone.

    Ethics too!


    According to (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:21:59 AM EST
    the city health department, of hospitalized patients in NYC, one in four are between the ages of 18 and 49.

    The rules are quite clear, McBain. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 08:46:11 PM EST
    McBain: "I'm in between and not sure if this compromise of sheltering in with unclear rules is the best strategy."

    The Shelter in Place Order was issued simultaneously in all seven of the Bay Area's counties. I work in the realm of public policy development. So, if you need any clarification at all about any of your own county order's provisions, or about California's statewide order signed last week by Gov. Newsom, please feel free to ask me here in this thread and I'll explain it to you as best I can, as well as the reasoning behind the provision as I understand it.

    In the meantime, because you live the San Francisco Bay region, I shouldn't have to tell you that - like Seattle and New York City - the place is Ground Zero for the epidemic in this country. Further, about 40% of those hospitalized with COVID-19-related illness are under 50 years of age, so younger age is not necessarily a barrier to complications which may arise from viral infection. For the safety and well being of your family as well as your own, please listen very carefully to the directives of your local public health officials and follow them.

    Stay safe. Aloha.


    Here's an article that brings up (none / 0) (#132)
    by McBain on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 12:12:54 PM EST
    some gray areas about business activity.

    My questions are more about which recreational outdoor activities are allowed.  Why did a local city close a very nice running track?  You can easily maintain social distance when running.  Is it because some people were kicking a soccer ball on the field?  The people I saw doing that looked like they may have been related and living together.

    In a recent local article a health official criticized people at a beach for not practicing social distancing but in the photo it was unclear which groups of people were families. If you're living together I don't think social distance really applies when you go outside.  One of the few good things about this crisis is families are able to enjoy recreational activities together. I don't think that should be discouraged.


    ... because those are places where people tend to congregate in significant numbers, which is the very behavior we want to discourage given the public risk.

    You can't leave a public park or ball field open with the proviso that only 10-25 people are allowed at any one time or that team sports are prohibited. For starters, that is logistically unenforceable. It's really optimal from a public health standpoint to simply close the park or ball field altogether.

    The best outdoor activities at this time are solo ones, such as running, walking and bike-riding. These are activities that keep you moving and don't require that you hang out at a fixed place.

    I would strongly suggest that for the present duration of this emergency, that you cease looking for exceptions to the rule. Ask yourself, what are you hoping to accomplish by doing so?

    This is a public health crisis. If we all cooperate with one another right now, and think and act for the collective good, we'll get through this and life will eventually return to normal. But if we start individually looking for ways to circumvent or undermine current directives, then we place the collective at risk and will likely prolong the emergency.

    For the present, we must subordinate our individual desires to the collective necessity.



    I find being outside less stressful (none / 0) (#169)
    by McBain on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:51:51 PM EST
    right now.  Going for solo walks is a good idea but family and household member outings can also help relieve the stress of the current situation.  

    As I showed, the rules aren't entirely clear about certain things.  My take is the important thing is maintain social distance. One strategy some local cities are using is to close the parking lots but leave the parks/beach open.  This discourages people from out of the area from driving in.  


    Went (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:02:03 PM EST
    up to the Merritt Island Wildlife refuge this morning, definitely cathartic.

    The hordes of migratory birds are long gone but plenty of locals still remain.

    We are lucky having multiple, mostly deserted nature preserves around here.


    Great idea (none / 0) (#171)
    by McBain on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:56:14 PM EST
    I might try to find a place like that near me.  In the mean time we reinstalled our bird feeder and have been enjoying the activity on our patio.

    That was one of my go-to stress reliever spots too (none / 0) (#178)
    by ruffian on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:42:52 AM EST
    So pretty and peaceful and I got some great pictures of birds and gators.  The Lake Apopka wildlife trail is a a good spot too.

    I have a nice walk I can take right from my apartment that goes to a little reservoir with a mountain view. That's been my outdoor refuge when I get sick of being indoors. It's never crowded at all so feels very safe.


    Our condos have a nature trail (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 12:40:10 PM EST
    with ponds, where our usual couple of ducks returned this week.  So, next . . . ducklings! We all await them every year.

    And then we see if we can open our condo swimming pool. If so, the next step is placing large beach balls in the pool -- because we discovered that jeeps the ducks from confusing our pool with a pond. Cute as they are, ducklings in the pool, no.


    That is just (none / 0) (#164)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 01:50:36 PM EST
    what the Trump supporter said in the email chain that I posted here.

    It was about supporting "the president."

    If you support Trump, it is all about supporting the economy so he can look good.    


    And if some old people (none / 0) (#165)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 01:54:12 PM EST
    get in the way of opening the country, they should give up their lives for the sake of the economy (so Trump can look good.)  This from a pro-life supporter.....

    How is this unlike Goebbels?


    Very disturbing ideas MKS (none / 0) (#166)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 02:58:38 PM EST
    When I first came into this world Gobbels was euthanizing people and now toward the end of my career a similar situation may happen.  We have no ventilators at Mariners Hospital and no technicians either.  Not sure what the clinic in Key West has, but I would definitely go to the bottom of the list.  This is the way it works, and I understand.

    On a safer note they have closed the Florida keys to all but locals.  They are now enforcing this with Sheriff's cars.  The grocery and fish market were very quiet today.  We have 14 cases so far with three in hospital.  No deaths.  Sport fishing has ground to a halt.  Some commercial guys are out there.  The mahimahi and tarpon are starting to show up and it's very nice weather.  Guess I'll go fishing.


    And I'm certainly not willing (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 03:05:21 PM EST
    to help Trump with his numbers...

    Yes, what the country needed (none / 0) (#168)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 04:14:13 PM EST
    was a businessman (even a failed and fraudulent one) to run the country like a business. When it comes to letting grandma go or re-opening the Cheesecake Factory, well...so long granny, sorry but you are not bringing in any revenue and are just an expense. Bottom line, you know.

    You are a really good skier (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:40:09 PM EST

    Heh, top of my list.....


    If I were ahead (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:42:18 PM EST
    of some young parent with kids, I'd like to think I would give up my "ventilator spot" to them.

    So (none / 0) (#16)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 05:57:07 PM EST
    is he pledging NOT to seek medical aid if he gets sick?

    I think it's a good idea (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:01:36 PM EST
    And I agree, he should be ready to die so we can "get back to work".  

    So we don't have to.

    Let's be clear, if this goes like it looks like it might I see a good chance more republicans and particularly Trump supporters are going to get this.  

    Hey, it's a free country.  Nobody has a right to tell them to stay home.  Freedom is not free.


    Case (none / 0) (#18)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:06:26 PM EST
    in point
    The number of coronavirus cases in Kentucky has now jumped to 163, with 39 new cases on Tuesday.

    And according to the Courier-Journal, not all of these cases may have been accidental -- Gov. Andy Beshear (D-KY) is announcing that at least one of the cases is linked to a "coronavirus party" in which people gathered together to deliberately spread the disease amongst themselves.

    There's a lot of chatter (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:22:09 PM EST
    About how red and blue America are being effected differently.  Right now with blue being hit the most because it's the population centers.  

    Some talk about red America "blaming" blue.

    But the thing is blue is taking action to stop it.  And will continue to do that.   Red, not so much

    Will Texas or Florida be `the next Italy'? Red states lag blue in stay-at-home orders


    Cuomo (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:29:06 PM EST
    was talking about how Trump was sending 400 respirators when he needed 26,000. Kemp send like 50 to a dire situation in S. GA. I'm just waiting for Georgia to turn into Italy and I would not be surprised for us to hit it before FL or TX.

    Methinks (none / 0) (#30)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:40:57 PM EST
    the blues states may be on their own
    "Usually we'll have 50 governors that will call it the same time. I think we are doing very well. But it's a two-way street. They have to treat us well, also. They can't say, "Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that." We're doing a great job. Like in New York where we're building, as I said, four hospitals, four medical centers. We're literally building hospitals and medical centers. And then I hear that there's a problem with ventilators. Well we sent them ventilators. And they could have had 15,000 or 16,000 - all they had to do was order them two years ago. But they decided not to do it. They can't blame us for that."
    If you know what I mean.

    I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:44:47 PM EST
    But still I would rather be blue.  The governors in fact have the real control as far as lockdowns.  And blue mayors in red states are also going to act responsibly.  Also if it comes to a bidding war blue states have more money.

    If Trump and his supporters want to show us there is nothing to fear I say, go for it.  


    Nate Silver (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:40:11 AM EST

    Nate Silver

     Here's another interesting comparison. Yesterday, detected cases increased by 31% in Trump states as compared to 21% in Clinton states.

    Nate Silver
    Increase over yesterday in detected coronavirus cases. Hopefully, grouping things by region helps even out disparities in testing rates.

    South: +32%
    Northeast (excluding NY): +30%
    Midwest: +27%
    West (excluding CA & WA): +23%
    New York: +20%
    California: +20%
    Washington: +11%

    So far (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:55:33 PM EST
    My red state has been pretty good.  I think Hutchinson is not the worst governor ever.

    We now have over 200 cases.


    Gant County, NM (none / 0) (#133)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 12:18:42 PM EST
    where still building home has 0 cases, as do the two next door counties.  And the state has only 112 total.

    Now, that I have jinxed it, it still looks like the place to sit out the zombie apocalypse, if only the house were finished.   It is way, way remote.

    But the flip side is not that many docs.....  


    Darwin (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:24:51 PM EST
    is finally going to win it seems and the coronavirus is going to be the tool that does it.

    I've been grocery shopping for my next (none / 0) (#55)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:28:37 PM EST
    door neighbors. They are in their mid/late seventies and the husband has diabetes, high blood pressure and has also had a couple of heart attacks, so, definitely high risk.
    They have kids that live a few miles away that could do their shopping for them but as I told them, I am right next door and I have to shop for me anyway.

    Today, I joked with them that I was going to stop the shopping since Dan Patrick had decided they were dispensable.


    In CA, like MKS and McBain, (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:12:12 PM EST
    Staying home except for my usual walk in my hilly neighborhood. My daughter brought me lots of groceries today. We sat 10 ft apart outside and each in a mask. I wiped all the boxes and bags down w/hydrogen peroxide b/4 bringing inside.

    My family is staying connected via the Marco Polo app, a saving grace.

    Be safe, TLers.

    how do you wipe things (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:08:09 PM EST
    down with hydrogen peroxide? I got a bottle yesterday but have no idea what to do with it. Did you use a sponge or a washcloth or a Handy Wipe? What kinds of things is it good to clean (besides shopping bags)

    At the first grocery store today, they had disinfecting wipes by the carts so you could wipe the handles down, and your hands. For once, there was plenty of toilet paper, tissues and cleaning agents. Everyone was staying 6 ft apart, even in the produce aisles.

    At the second, specialty grocer I went to, they had a big box with gloves as well as spray bottles of wipes with paper wipes.

    At the big liquor store, they also had spray bottles with paper wipes.

    Some expert I heard on TV said gloves aren't necessary and don't do anything but I think they are helpful when you have to push the elevator button and open the handle on the trash chute.

    I bought a lot of frozen food since it's sterilized and comes into less frequent contact with humans.

    Doctors in Italy and Spain are saying they have been forced to choose who to give respirators to and the young win out due to longer life expectancies. Very sad.

    Stay safe everyone.


    I read (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:34:28 PM EST
    The reason they discourage gloves is it gives people a sort of false sense of safety and the chance you will touch your face.

    Maybe this is true for some one.  Not for me.  I have been wearing these gloves every time I go shopping.

    I have a box in my car.

    As far as touching my face, personally there is no better reminder to NOT touch my face is rubber gloves.

    You will take my gloves from my cold dead hands.


    I used circle cotton pads I usually use to remove. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:41:56 PM EST
    Non-gel nail polish. I wore gloves. I put the cotton pads in a plastic bag, put the bag in the garnagevbin outside, alomg with gloves. Then thoroughly washed my hands.

    thank you Oculus! (none / 0) (#49)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 09:39:28 PM EST
    That was great info, I will try it with the cotton

    hydrogen peroxide (none / 0) (#72)
    by leap on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 10:27:45 AM EST
    This is what the Consumer Reports article says about using hydrogen peroxide:
    Hydrogen Peroxide
    According to the CDC, household (3 percent) hydrogen peroxide is effective in deactivating rhinovirus, the virus that causes the common cold, within 6 to 8 minutes of exposure. Rhinovirus is more difficult to destroy than coronaviruses, so hydrogen peroxide should be able to break down coronavirus in less time. Pour it undiluted into a spray bottle and spray it on the surface to be cleaned, but let it sit on the surface for at least 1 minute.

    Hydrogen peroxide is not corrosive, so it's okay to use it on metal surfaces. But similar to bleach, it can discolor fabrics if you accidentally get in on your clothes. "It's great for getting into hard-to-reach crevices," Sachleben says. "You can pour it on the area and you don't have to wipe it off because it essentially decomposes into oxygen and water."

    In a fit of OCD, I just thoroughly (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16:55 PM EST
    cleaned kitchen sink and have systematically bathed all the incoming fruits and veggies in hot water with liquid dish soap.  Will do the same with raw checken b/4 I freeze it. Whew. That made me feel better.

    clorox (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by leap on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 10:22:36 AM EST
    A friend, who also teaches nursing at the college, said that she uses water with clorox to wipe down stuff from the store: ⅓ cup clorox to one gallon of water. Here is an article by Consumer Reports on the subject, "These Common Household Products Can Destroy the Novel Coronavirus." Let me know if you can't read the article if you aren't a subscriber, and I could cut and paste it here. It has lots of good information.

    A very weak bleach water solution is what I use (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 11:50:12 AM EST
    When I bartended many many moons ago, the health department required us to wipe everything down with a very diluted bleach water solution. It kills just about everything microbial.

    Then I had a baby and it really became an at home go to. During all this I keep a little bucket of bleach water and a rag in it on hand. We clean hard surfaces with it throughout the day and wipe groceries off with it. It takes very little bleach to be affective.


    also, this youtube (none / 0) (#84)
    by leap on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 01:53:54 PM EST
    Mail (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:07:50 PM EST
    I've been homebound for quite some time... (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:28:51 PM EST
    due to my many medical problems. I'm pretty good at being a hermit by now! I'm extremely lucky to have wonderful friends that bring me food and medications.

    I know that if I get the virus it will likely kill me. A bit worried as I've had the chills the past couple of days.

    I've had to postpone my move to Seattle for the time being. If I make it through this, it will be nice to be near my family.

    Stay safe TL'ers!

    Stay safe yourself (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:30:25 PM EST
    and I'm glad to hear that you have a good support system. Too many unfortunately don't.

    Glad you have support (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:41:00 PM EST
    We hermits do have it a bit easier.

    It is not news to me that I am a hermit but (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:36:33 PM EST
    I did not realize just how much of one I am until I read about how much people are struggling with social distancing.

    Take care of yourself MileHi. (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:31:30 PM EST
    If you are able, comment once in a while so we know that you are doing okay.

    Ozark. Season 3. (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:10:55 PM EST
    Available Friday.

    Praise the Lord (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 02:24:58 AM EST
    Everyone (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 08:33:41 AM EST
    Will finally have time to watch The Irishman.

    Bobble heads and viewers alike (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 08:11:06 AM EST
    Are learning how under appreciated those nameless hair and makeup people are.

    Happy (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:54:33 AM EST
    Greek Independence Day.
    All those parades that normally go on are, of course, cancelled, but people of Greek ancestry will be taking part online.

    I think I will make avgolemono (egg-lemon) soup.   I have chicken, lemons, eggs, and rice, so I'm good to go.  And it's a chilly, rainy day- soup weather.

    Although Andrew Cuomo (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:35:20 PM EST
    seems to be getting all the press, I want to give a shout out to PA Governor Tom Wolf (a low key gentleman) and PA Health Secretary Rachel Levine for their leadership in the Commonwealth. Gov. Wolf has been firm in directing businesses to close and ordering shelter at home for certain counties.

    Interestingly, (none / 0) (#91)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:53:54 PM EST
    I live barely 6 miles from Gov. Wolf. He lives in York County, not the Governor's Mansion. His personal home is barely 25 minutes from Harrisburg.

    I am at very high risk of, you know (5.00 / 5) (#97)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM EST
    actually dying if I were to contract COVID-19. So, all the GOPers, nutball right wing talking heads, Glenn Beck, Lt Gov. Patrick, et al,  who think I should sacrifice myself for the good of the economy can just kiss my fat white a$$. The more of you that make that sacrifice, the better this country will be on the other end. I will shed no tears over a stack dead of MAGATs.

    The most (5.00 / 4) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 07:55:33 AM EST
    Amazing and maddening part here is these are the same people who were just horrified over the idea of "death panels" which was totally made up BS then but now definitely no longer is.

    As long as it saves their investment portfolio it's ok.  


    For Republicans, (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:56:18 AM EST
    life begins with the moment of conception and ends with birth.

    Hard to imagine the stress on females (none / 0) (#152)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:54:22 PM EST
    seeking an abortion in the states conveniently making it even more difficult to obtain purportedly b/c of corona virus.

    I tried to come up with a parody bumper sticker (none / 0) (#201)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Mar 31, 2020 at 01:26:47 PM EST
    ...but it was hard to present the idea in few words, and still have it be understandable.  I thought of:

    Privatize Death Panels!
    ...but most people didn't understand, so

    Keep Death Panels in Private Ownership!
    ...might work, but really long.

    Keep Death Panels For-Profit!
    ...gets misinterpreted by some people who think that the government can make a profit.

    Keep Death Panels Private and For-Profit!
    ...is still long, so, I didn't really go anywhere with any of those ideas....


    I want to see (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:12:12 AM EST
    ... a conservative TV host shoot his grandmother on live TV to show he is serious.

    Priorities USA (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:05:28 AM EST
    The response (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:32:48 AM EST
    On behalf of Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., President Trump's principal campaign committee, this letter notifies you that your station is airing a patently false, misleading, and deceptive advertisement, entitled "Exponential Threat," which was paid for by the Priorities USA Action Fund ("PUSA"), a Super PAC formed by Barack Obama loyalists. PUSA stitched together fragments from multiple speeches by President Trump to fraudulently and maliciously imply that President Trump called the coronavirus outbreak a "hoax." As fully set forth in the enclosed facts sheet, and President Trump's full quote below, the facts show beyond reasonable doubt that he was talking about the Democrat's politicization of the outbreak when he used the word "hoax." Multiple independent fact checkers have debunked the exact same false claim made in a Biden campaign ad. Because PUSA's ad's central point is deliberately false and misleading, your station has an obligation to cease and desist from airing it immediately to comply with FCC licensing requirements, to serve the public interest, and to avoid costly and time-consuming litigation.



    It is video of him saying what he said (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:08:51 PM EST
    so I cannot imagine the "fake" claim can win.

    of course, as usual, the large orange lout is counting on the "chilling effect," expecting to win by bullying, because of the cost of stations having to legally defend themselves.  


    Hope PUSA (none / 0) (#143)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:34:44 PM EST
    takes a page from Trump's (Roy Cohn's) playbook and takes the case through all court levels. Maybe, it could be resolved by Nov 4, 2020.  Although, the Robert's Court is likely, in this case, to put it on a fast track.

    More cooking (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Zorba on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 12:26:49 PM EST
    Tonight I am making venison chili.  With ground venison (from deer shot on our property- we allow a neighbor to hunt and he reciprocates with tons of cut up, frozen, labeled venison), and Roma tomatoes and jalapeño peppers (frozen) from our garden last summer.

    I do like cooking stuff that consists of veggies from our garden, plus the venison from our woods.  And fish that Mr. Z. catches.

    And I forgot to mention that I made a cherry pie the other day with cherries from our tree.

    PSA (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:02:22 PM EST
    You can stretch your supply of toilet paper if you use both sides.

    Ummm.....NO! (none / 0) (#160)
    by vml68 on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:27:10 AM EST
    Does it count as attempted interference (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Peter G on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 09:20:35 AM EST
    with a foreign election when one country issues a criminal indictment of an adversary nation's president? I am very much looking forward to Jeralyn's analysis of the Maduro indictments.

    I've been cleaning the (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:12:22 PM EST
    light fixtures.  I'm guessing that the incidence of domestic violence is going to rise because of people stuck in their homes.

    The governor issued a "stay-at-home instruction" starting this morning.

    "To help stop the spread, "non-essential" businesses have been issued to close and have people work remotely. "Essential businesses" can remain open at this time."

    Essential businesses are listed here.

    There are a lot of (none / 0) (#3)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:28:45 PM EST
    exceptions the way I have seen these stay at home orders draftee.  

    One interesting exception:  residential and real estate construction.

    Got out the bicycle from the garage. Need to get a helmut and maybe a check on the bike itself.

    In Pennsylvania, new construction is prohibited (none / 0) (#32)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:44:25 PM EST
    but repairs and maintenance are allowed. Bikes, yes. And btw, bicycle sales are barred (as are new car and motorcycle sales) but repairs and maintenance are allowed.

    I just saw an ad for a car dealer (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 07:53:30 PM EST
    that said you could buy remotely without coming into the showroom and no payments would be due for 120 days. I forget the make of the car though.

    Do they deliver? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by desertswine on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:03:23 PM EST
    Here in Pittsburgh (none / 0) (#4)
    by smott on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:34:26 PM EST
    We are home bound also, allowed out for exercise, groceries, medical care.

    Charlie Cook (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:40:58 PM EST
    Talks about how this will effect the election.  He has encouraging thing to say about the Senate.  Among other things.  Worth a listen.

    Charlie Cook: How COVID-19 Has Impacted the Political Landscape

    Biden is on with (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 02:55:48 PM EST
    Nicolle Wallace in 5 minutes

    He was surprisingly good (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 03:25:53 PM EST
    Even considering the semi awkward Skype link up.

    My county has been sheltering in since (none / 0) (#9)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 04:16:31 PM EST
    last Tuesday.  No one really knows all the rules.  People have been criticized for "crowding" beaches and state parks. I've been doing lots of outdoor walks/exercise but some of the local parks have closed.  

    Staying inside all day isn't easy for people in the SF Bay Area. We like to be active and the high cost of housing means many live in relatively small houses/apartments.

    Yes, and I'm sure (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 04:23:51 PM EST
    living in the city when you do go out makes it hard to keep that 6 ft. distance. I hope it all works out for you guys there.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#14)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 05:41:29 PM EST
    I believe my county has the most cases in the state.  I live in a suburb.  It's mostly easy to keep 6ft apart except when you shop.

    Good luck to you too. Sounds like no shelter in law for your area yet?


    Last night (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:19:50 PM EST
    Kemp ordered all medically fragile people to stay at home until April 6 and shut down the bars for two weeks. Basically all he did was mandate those with medical issues stay at home and then shut down the bars. We are way behnd the curve here in GA. Already we have 1 hospital in S. GA. that is running out of beds and having to use an emergency care center and a hotel for cases. Sonny Perdue decided he wanted to "own the libs" and show his hatred of Obama by turning down the Medicaid expansion. So we have serious lack of medical facilities in 1/2 of the state. Kemp is building camps and using state parks. He is also calling in retired doctors and nurses. I would be very surprised not to have a ghastly death toll here in Ga. I believe we are already surpassing either CA or NY surprisingly.

    We have Medicaid expansion (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 08:31:44 AM EST
    But there are so few rural hospitals they are almost always short of beds just on a regular non pandemic business day.  

    It could get very bad.

    I talked my friend the nurse into retiring.  He didn't want to but he is 70 in a couple of months, morbidly obese and has diabetes and some other health problems.  I convinced him if they had masks and equipment, maybe, but no.  You have done your part.  

    He could have retired years ago but wanted to keep working because he liked his work.

    He should not be working.  I convinced him of that finally.  I have been trying to get him to retire for years.


    Well (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 04:29:43 PM EST
    I'm still going to work at one job but there are only 2-3 of us in the office two days and other days it's only 1-2 at the most. 5 is a crowd. Still with going to work it's not like you're really doing anything current. I'm just working on the backlog I had before all this. Before long though I may be staying home all the time.

    On Fox, Trump said (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 04:30:04 PM EST
    he would love to have the country opened by Easter. Not based on any expert recommendation, but Easter is a very special day for him, and it would be great to have all the churches packed--it will be beautiful.

    Speaking of FOX, the NYTimes reported that Rupert Murdoch's 89th Birthday party was cancelled.  The 20-person gathering was set for March 11 at his Bel Air estate, Moraga Vineyards, but was called off out of health concerns for the corona virus. A smaller dinner party was scheduled instead.

    During this time frame, FOX was downplaying the corona virus, with hosts claiming this all to be another attempt to impeach the impeached president.

    Trump revenue (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by MO Blue on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 12:47:31 AM EST
    Opening up for Easter would allow his properties to have their $130. brunches.

    This was (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:21:26 PM EST
    a pander to evangelicals hoping to string them along for a few more weeks until there are no churches on Easter.

    Watched the movie Midway last night (none / 0) (#20)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 06:14:34 PM EST
    Wasn't great but it's such a remarkable moment in history it was worth viewing.  Made me feel a little less stressed about what we're going through now knowing many had things much worse years ago.  

    The cast was decent but there was something a little off about the film.  At one point I almost had the feeling that Godzilla might appear.  It wasn't until I watched the credits that I realized it was directed by Roland Emmerich who made a Godzilla movie about 20 years ago.

    Also saw Uncut Gems last week.  Good performance by Adam Sandler as a jewler/gambler but not a good movie to watch if you're stressed out.    

    The Plot Against America (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 07:54:51 PM EST
    HBO.  You should be watching.

    Within the past year HBO became a viewing destination because of its disaster content. The channel's popularity peaked around this time last year because of a certain fantasy about dragons and mad queens. As that drew to a close, people who keep an eye on the industry began asking some version of the question, "Now what?"

    The answer arrived in the form of "Chernobyl," a period piece about the world famous nuclear disaster of 1986 that holds striking parallels to the illness that has stricken the modern age - that of government incompetence and officials prioritizing maintaining an image of strength over their own people's safety.

    Nearly a year later, David Simon and Ed Burns' adaption of Philip Roth's alternate history "The Plot Against America," in which Charles Lindbergh beat Franklin Delano Roosevelt in the 1940 election and ushered the United States into fascism, plugs into our ongoing worry about the rise of white nationalism, another radioactive unease actively threatening the survival of Western liberal democracy.

    That scenario would have been a shame, ... (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:03:51 AM EST
    ... because it would've robbed us of arguably one of the greatest photos in American political history, that of GOP nominee Wendell Wilkie's joyous return to his hometown of Elwood, Indiana in the final days of the campaign. It looks like a movie still.

    I've never seen that photo before... (none / 0) (#142)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:24:36 PM EST
    it is a great one.

    Wendell Wilkie knew he was going to lose. (none / 0) (#158)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 02:28:34 AM EST
    He was a liberal Republican who had incurred the ferocious enmity of Charles Lindbergh and GOP isolationists by prioritizing what he saw as the national interest over his own party's short-term political desires, when he publicly came out in strong support of President Franklin Roosevelt's controversial Lend-Lease proposal as the Battle of Britain raged in September 1940.

    Mind you, this was right in the middle of the contested presidential campaign. Basically, by endorsing FDR's military support for Britain, Wilkie fell on his sword. The isolationists never forgave him, and that loss of support effectively doomed his effort. FDR won the 1940 election handily, carrying 38 of 48 states.

    But FDR truly appreciated and never forgot the unprecedented gesture of unity and goodwill offered by his erstwhile Republican rival. A few weeks after the election in Dec. 1940, he summoned Wendell Wilkie to the White House and asked him to go to London to serve as his personal envoy and liaison to British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's wartime government. Wilkie agreed.

    Wilkie's appointment was rightly viewed as a very public rebuke of then-renegade U.S. Ambassador Joseph Kennedy, who had piqued FDR's ire by freely sharing with American news media his opinion that Nazi Germany could not be beaten and that Britain should sue for peace. Kennedy would subsequently resign his post in February 1941.

    Wilkie later discussed extensively with FDR the idea of forming a new liberal political party, but he passed away suddenly in October 1944 and FDR followed him to the grave six months later, so the idea died with them. But he's remembered today as a patriot who sacrificed his own personal ambitions for the collective good.



    Watching (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 02:27:00 AM EST
    Great story and acting so far

    A response today from (none / 0) (#43)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:17:50 PM EST
    in an email chain in a community group in San Clemente, California, in response to a directive to not allow parking at the beach:

    "This is ridiculous .we can not even park at the beach which I pay taxes for..I agree with the President..lets open up America again!"

    So, Trump scores with the MAGAs who just fall into line....Even if it kills them....

    Well, I told the entire (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:00:10 PM EST
    the list the comment was absurd, and I was deleted from the list.  Ha!

    It seems to be a feature (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:09:20 PM EST
    of being a MAGA of being so arrogant or clueless to assume everyone else is interested, or that you are entitled to spray your nonsense on everyone else.

    It is (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 02:00:42 AM EST
    a feature. We are constantly admonished to pray for Trump here locally. What fools these people are. If they were praying for every president okay but no, they only pray for the ones they like.

    There are a bunch of really messed up people in this country.


    In the (none / 0) (#65)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:39:30 AM EST
    Greek Orthodox  Divine Liturgy, they pray for the president no matter who it is, or which party.

    For our country, for the president, and for all in public service, let us pray to the Lord.

    The wording varies slightly depending upon which translation is being used, but all Eastern Orthodox Liturgies contain this.


    Yes, (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 11:45:39 AM EST
    we Episcopalians have the same liturgy where we pray for all elected officials of all parties. However that is not the evangelical way.

    And here we thought Orange Co is (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:42:54 PM EST
    turning blue.

    It did! (none / 0) (#47)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 08:46:33 PM EST
    Just one knot-head so far.....

    Prepare the vat (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:07:39 PM EST
    of grape Koolaid.

    While His Orangeness reads a passage from Two Corinthians.


    You know, (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:15:17 PM EST
    I may not be much of a believer, but I like "One" Corinthians.

    It is the oldest writing in the New Testament, and generally deemed an authentic letter from Paul, even by atheist scholars.

    And, Paul writes of meeting the brother of Jesus, and of the Resurrection, proving if nothing else that the earliest Christians believed in the Resurrection just a decade or so away from the Crucifixion.

    FWIW.  Please, Bill Maher crowd, no throwing tomatoes at me.



    How that "Trump" (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 24, 2020 at 10:16:30 PM EST
    ended up in my last post is beyond me.  

    Playwright and activist.. (none / 0) (#61)
    by desertswine on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 02:35:34 AM EST
    Terrence McNally has died of coronavirus complications.

    Described in 2019 by the New York Times as "the bard of American theater," McNally was known for his plays  "Love! Valour! Compassion!," "Master Class" and "Frankie and Johnny in the Clair de Lune." Over the course of his six-decade career, McNally's work was heralded as a landmark in gay theatre by both critics and audiences alike. Many of his plays, including "Lips Together, Teeth Apart," brought the lives, romances and relationships of gay characters into the spotlight.

    I like the musical of "Ragtime" (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 04:58:38 PM EST
    almost as much as the Doctorow novel.

    I loved Milos Forman's 1981 film version ... (none / 0) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 06:43:23 AM EST
    ... of Doctorow's novel, in which he lured the great James Cagney out of retirement for his big screen valedictory performance as the irascible and racist New York Police Commissioner Rhinelander Waldo. When Cagney contemptuously sneers at a local fire chief, "People tell me you're slime," and when he later nonchalantly orders a police sniper to shoot a just-surrendered suspect, there is that chillingly familiar resonance of arrogant authority in his voice, reminding us one final and poignant time why that movie legend was so good at playing amoral characters.  

    We happened to catch a young Cagney (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:45:07 AM EST
    playing Bottom in the 1935 film extravaganza version of "A Midsummer Night's Dream," last night on TCM. With a 14-year-old Mickey Rooney as a very manic Puck.

    Happening now (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:53:08 AM EST

    The Star Trek: Picard star, 79, who cut his teeth as an actor with Britain's Royal Shakespeare Company, posted a video of himself reading out the legendary playwright and poet's Sonnet 116 on Instagram over the weekend (21-22Mar20).

    He later revealed he was so pleased with the reaction from fans he will make a daily recording, starting with Sonnet 1.

    He was so publicly identified with his tough guy persona by 1942 that audiences were literally dumbstruck by his rousing performance as George M. Cohan in that film, which showcased Cagney's versatility as an actor and son-and-dance man.

    Casting actors against type can pay huge dividends. That was what in large part made director Billy Wilder's 1944 noir classic "Double Indemnity" - which I just watched again the other night - such a great film, along with Raymond Chandler's first-rate screenplay. Barbara Stanwyck, Fred MacMurray and Edward G. Robinson each played characters that ran completely counter to the roles they were usually assigned by the studios, and it worked to perfection.



    Cagney could dance. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:20:54 AM EST
    Singing, however...

    The vocal range required for "Yankee Doodle Dandy" (the song) was the minimum possible that would still have a melody.


    Quote from The Guardian: (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 12:23:03 PM EST
    "To think how reviled my first play was," McNally said in an interview last year soon after his win. "One review began: `The American theater would be a better place this morning if Terrence McNally's parents had smothered him in his cradle.' That's quite a journey, isn't it?"

    The quoted review almost beggars belief, (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 01:09:42 PM EST

    Some critics can be hilariously brutal. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 07:42:30 AM EST
    One particular favorite of mine was this rather scathing assessment of one movie star's abilities as an actor:

    "Where has Keanu Reeves been all these years? And why couldn't he have stayed there a little while longer? His jaw-dropping performance is so wooden that the authorities should declare the theatre a fire risk."

    Then there's this poisonous gem about one particular film director's body of work:

    "Eleven years and several progressively more dreadful movies later, you'd think M. Night Shyamalan would be lucky to get a gig directing traffic. Alas, no such luck. And so, even though he has nothing to say, he's going to keep right on saying it until people make him stop."



    It's not hilarious (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:58:50 AM EST
    It's pathetic.  If they have criticisms of the work let's hear it.  That stuff is vile and f'ed up and designed to appeal to the worst middle school impulses of the people who read it.

    I have always had a problem with the idea of your "profession" consisting of writing catty stupid shi+ about the work of others.

    More often than not driven by personal slights the so called reviewer might have received from the entertainer at some point in their worthless lives.

    Clearly, I do not think it hilarious.  

    But different strokes n all.


    And PS (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:01:12 AM EST
    No one dislikes Shamalan movies more than me.  

    I like one of his movies (none / 0) (#200)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Mar 31, 2020 at 01:17:06 PM EST
    ...but going to a second one is a waste of time.

    Such reviews are so campy ... (none / 0) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:49:53 AM EST
    ... that the critics themselves literally fail to recognize their own self-caricature. When I read over-the-top critiques like these, I really don't take them seriously. The writers are trying so hard to be deliberately cruel, but in an unconsciously, Snidely Whiplash-like way that neatly undercuts their probable intent.

    Check out George Bernard Shaw. (none / 0) (#138)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:56:09 PM EST
    We are officially (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:46:20 AM EST
    Sheltered in place.

    I've been working from home since last Monday.  Fortunately I still have a job that can be done remotely for now.

    We've have a lot of cases in MA but we also have a lot of hospitals and this isn't our first rodeo with a shelter-in-place order (the marathon manhunt was). So far things seem to be going smoothly, if a bit stir crazy.

    Couple of scary charts (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:04:43 PM EST
    Draft Cuomo? (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:22:47 PM EST
    Some Democrats are openly talking up New York governor Andrew Cuomo, whose profile has soared during the crisis, as a Biden stand-in. Yesterday, a Draft Cuomo 2020 account on Twitter announced that "Times have changed & we need Gov. Cuomo to be the nominee. Our next POTUS must be one with an ability to lead thru this crisis."

    Charles Pierce, the politics blogger for Esquire magazine, wrote a piece headlined "With Two Words, Andrew Cuomo Established Himself as the Leader This Country Needs Now." He enthused that Cuomo's news conference last Friday "essentially (shutting) down the economy of his state . . . was a master class in leveling with the public."

    It's not the worst idea.

    ... actual record, in which he's presided over numerous hospital closures in New York state and in mid-December of last year, presented a draft FY2021 state budget to the legislature that would cut over $400 million in Medicaid funding.

    Andrew Cuomo is yet another of our egregiously myopic media's Flavors of the Month. Sure, he looks great compared to Donald Trump, but that's a really low bar. Right now, a 50-lb. sack of dog food looks great compared to Trump.



    He also look good (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:22:29 AM EST
    Compared to Biden.

    Where the F is Biden.


    Seriously (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:53:06 AM EST
    This is scary to me.  Where is he.  Do you think if any of the women were the presumptive nominee, hell if BERNIE was the presumptive nominee, would they be hiding in their house and letting Trump be the only source of information?   Well, except for Cuomo.

    I don't know what the deal is or who Biden thinks he is now but I'll tell you what he absolutely is not.  He is not the leader and face of the party which he should be.  Right now.

    If he doesn't step up I think his coronation is in serious doubt.  The world is changing.  There are other choices and 538 has gone back to saying a brokered convention is likely again.


    You know who understands this? (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:12:36 AM EST

    Watching him I think it's clear he understands well how desperate people are for leadership.  


    So does Elizabeth Warren. (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by leap on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:37:03 AM EST
    But she's a girl, so pfffft.

    To be clear (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:44:53 AM EST
    My comment was not about the fairness or wisdom of #DraftCuomo.  Just reporting.  

    And observing that IMO so far Cuomo is way better at this.  And there is a clear need for leadership.

    That said a brokered convention is a brokered convention.

    I have been saying for about a year I would love to see it because of the civics lesson it would give the country.  But it's the unknown.  It's real democracy.  Sort of.  

      Do you think people would watch?  I do.


    BTW (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:48:22 AM EST
    The fact the whole thing could very well be virtual and digital because of the pandemic only means an even more massive worldwide audience.

    I'm 100% (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 05:48:19 PM EST
    there with you. Maybe it's living here in GA with a governor that is slightly less incompetent than Trump that is stressing me out but I watch Cuomo daily and so do my friends here in GA to find out what the F is going to on and something about him we find very soul soothing.

    I seriously can't imagine any of the female candidates even male candidates like Mayor Pete or Booker not basically acting like Cuomo.


    It would be one thing (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 06:26:40 PM EST
    If there was a real president.  Even a W level president.  In that case it would be a bad idea for a candidate to try to take an important role as far as informing the public.

    But that's not the world we live in.

    We have a guy who spends an hour every afternoon lying, bragging and spreading all kinds of dangerous absolute BS.  A lot of which might actually lead to deaths and sickness.

    This can't be.  Someone has to start offering another voice.  

    It should be the nominee of the party but if he won't do it some one else should.  And probably will.


    P Wire (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 07:33:52 PM EST
    Washington Post: "Since mid-January, President Trump has spent a total of 12 hours speaking publicly about the novel coronavirus -- amounting to more than 137,000 words... He has tweeted about the virus 138 times. And in the past week alone, the president has spoken for 287 minutes -- more than 4½ hours -- during daily coronavirus news conferences."

    "Trump's on-air ubiquity is part of a deliberate White House strategy to place the president front and center as the pitchman and public relations impresario for the coronavirus response."

    "He is saturating cable news and Twitter, filling the airwaves and Internet with words -- often hopeful and optimistic talk that at times contradicts his public health experts, is not always rooted in scientific reality and can veer off topic."

    I don't know. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 03:17:02 AM EST
    CaptHowdy: "Where the F is Biden[?]"

    Advertising on TV, perhaps? Or maybe Biden's just following the advice of Napoleon Bonaparte, who once purportedly counseled a subordinate officer in the midst of battle to never interfere with your enemy when he's making a mistake.

    And let's face it, Trump's making any number of egregious mistakes in this crisis. His public statements are pratfalls, and his management has been disastrous. If and when the COVID-19 death toll surges, that'll be hung around his neck like a millstone.

    I try to not be distracted by shiny objects like Andrew Cuomo. I appreciate his crisis management skills as New York's governor but honestly, he's not really doing anything different that California Gov. Gavin Newson or Washington Gov. Jay Inslee haven't likewise done during this emergency.

    Personally, I think Inslee would make a much better president than Cuomo. But Cuomo has benefited by his close proximity to and rapport with the same snobbish east coast media establishment that recently poo-pooed Inslee's own abortive quest for the 2020 Democratic nomination -- not to mention the fact that he's obviously much more adept at self-promotion than Inslee, which is a big factor in any national campaign.



    Trump is making so many mistakes (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:14:16 AM EST
    His approval is as high as its ever been and his disapproval is now below 50 at 538 for like the first time ever.

    Plus.  There are considerations beyond politics here.  Like life and death.


    Here, this should cheer you up. (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 11:28:53 PM EST
    From Fox News:

    "Former Vice President Joe Biden bests President Donald Trump by nine points in a 2020 ballot test, in the first Fox News Poll since Biden became the de facto Democratic nominee.

    "In a head-to-head presidential matchup, Biden is up by 49-40 percent over Trump, a lead that is outside the poll's margin of sampling error. Another 11 percent would vote for someone else or are undecided.  Last month, Biden was ahead by 49-41 percent.

    "The race remains a nine-point advantage for Biden over Trump when looking only at those voters extremely interested in the election (52-43 percent) and the former vice president has an eight-point edge in battleground states (48-40 percent).

    "However, Biden's advantage grows to 25 points, 57-32 percent, in close counties (where Hillary Clinton and Trump were within 10 points in 2016)."



    538 (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:18:49 AM EST
    It's during troubling times of crisis ... (none / 0) (#174)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 09:41:58 PM EST
    ... when the true nature of a person's character emerges. On that note, I'll wait and see what those numbers are three months from now, with untold thousands dead, millions more ill and infirm, a double-digit rate of unemployment, an economy in the tank, and Trump still lying, name-calling and blame-shifting like a spoiled and petulant adolescent.

    Throughout the history of democratic societies, electorates have tended to not double down on stupid in the wake of calamity and incompetence. I have confidence that we'll deal appropriately with Trump and his political enablers when the time comes.

    But in any event, que será, será. Right now, as this pandemic continues to unfold, my primary responsibility and focus as a county official is to address the immediate needs and concerns of local residents as best I can. And as a husband, father and grandfather, I must see to the safety, security and well being of my own family.

    Aloha a mālama pono.


    Wondered this myself (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    Biden Backers Worry He's Ceded Ground to Trump on Virus

    "People I'm talking to are wondering why's he not out there, every day, calming the nation, especially at a time like this?" said one donor. "Why is he letting Trump run the show?"

    I have been glad Cuomo has been doing briefings because its pretty much the only thing people are getting except Trump.

    There should be a pushback to what Trump is doing.  Where is it.


    Most of us have seen (none / 0) (#94)
    by ragebot on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 09:51:49 PM EST
    the county map of the last US prez election that shows a few isolated blue counties in a sea of red.  Of course those isolated blue counties have a greater population than the much larger area the red counties have.  Over all Trump won about five times as many counties as Clinton.

    Overall Trump won approximately 2,600 counties to Clinton's 500, or about 84% of the geographic United States. However, Clinton won 88 of of the 100 largest counties (including Washington D.C.). Without these 100 largest counties she would have lost by 11.5 million votes.

    Point is, as this map shows, the areas where the most people have the virus is basically a mirror image of the voting map.

    Since FSU has been shut down for a while and there are suggestions by the gov to only go out for valid reasons I have been self isolating for a while.  There have been a small number of cases in Leon County, students who traveled and returned.  In fact DeSantis has said every one arriving in Florida on the ~190 airline flights from NY, NJ, and Conn are subject to a 14 day isolation; something very hard to enforce.  But he did note that there is a big migration from NY, NJ, Conn to Florida and a significant number of the virus cases in Florida are related to that migration.

    Truth be told I am spending a lot of time on my boat in St. Marks (no cases in Wakulla County) and there are very few folks in the marina.  None of them have been out of the county in some time.

    I have to wonder how many folks are in the same situation I am in.  Basically rural areas where geography reduces the chance to come in contact with anyone who has contracted the virus.

    Bottom line is I am not sure there is a one size fits all solution for dealing with the virus.  If I was in NYC I would be much more concerned about exposure to the virus than I am when I am anchored out at Dog Island with nary a boat in sight.

    Just as an aside I have a UV light I use on stuff I get from Walmart to deal with the virus; like hospitals in China do.

    Coronavirus quiz.... (none / 0) (#95)
    by desertswine on Wed Mar 25, 2020 at 10:21:12 PM EST
    if we get past the NYT paywall

    Since so many of us are homebound ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:58:34 AM EST
    ... due to shelter in place orders, I'm interested in finding out what music TLers are listening to pass the time? The news has been so relentless of late that I turned off the TV last night, and instead spent a very nice evening with:

    • Joni Mitchell, Court and Spark
    • Elton John, Tumbleweed Connection
    • Robert Plant and Alison Krauss, Raising Sand

    This seems like the perfect time for us to not only rediscover some of our old favorites, but to also broaden our musical horizons. So, what's on your list, and what albums and / or artists would you recommend to others?


    I just purchased (couple of weeks ago) (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:55:12 AM EST
    Velvet Underground - Gold
    The Clash - London Calling
    Talking Heads: The Best of - Once in a Lifetime.
    Wishbone Ash - Number the Brave

    Frank Zappa, Tommy Bolin, Manfred Mann's Earth Band and Lou Reed are always in rotation while I'm working (I have over 400 CDs ripped to my work laptop). Have been checking out Cowboy Junkies as well. I'm also a big fan of Los Lonely Boys. Their version of Cisco Kid from Live at the Fillmore is not to be missed.


    CowBoy Junkies "Black-Eyed Man' (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 12:12:07 PM EST
    CD was in my car deck for like 6 months. Truly great. Get to that in your CJ explorations fast!

    I'll check out some of your other ones I have not heard for a while. Love the Talking Heads Stop Making Sense soundtrack - live versions of those songs, lots of energy!


    If you are stressed out try (none / 0) (#113)
    by jmacWA on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:35:46 AM EST
    R. Carlos Nakai.  I especially like Ancestral Voices with William Eaton

    I commend your choices! (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:43:06 AM EST
    3 of my favorite records too,

    I've been able to work at home, and I usually need quiet, but I will try music today. This week it has been really hard to focus, maybe the music would calm the noise in my head.

    I really thought I'd do better with this than I have been, being generally a stay at home person by nature, but the last couple of days have gotten to me. Besides worry for the sick people and their families, my own family, etc I've been thinking of the theater productions not happening (some of which I have tickets for), sports not being played, all the normal things that add so much to life. I'm on so much better shape than most people it seems self indulgent to let the sadness overwhelm me, but it's happening anyway.  Having said all of that, it seems it's not the staying home that is bothering me at all. I guess it is perfectly normal to be distressed by a global pandemic.


    Probably my basic (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:56:37 AM EST
    Anti authoritarian personality but I have found being told to stay home makes me have strange and unfamiliar urges to go out.

    I say go with music you are unfamiliar with.  I have found YouTube a fun source for music.  They have everything.  

    Harry Partch.  John Cage.  Early electronic music.

    Castor & Pollux


    Steve Reich (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:23:43 AM EST
    I recommend internet radio stations (none / 0) (#137)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:53:37 PM EST
    I particularly like one of my local community stations, for jazz, big band, blues, r&b and oldies. Highly knowledgeable all-volunteer on-air hosts (mostly retired DJs, teachers and other music experts). And classical music from Davidson College, North Carolina. Either stream them directly and free from their websites, or through any internet radio service.

    "Classical Piano Trios" radio station (none / 0) (#140)
    by leap on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:05:09 PM EST
    on Radio Tunes internet radio. Radio Tunes has almost a hundred different "channels" by musical style, but this is one I really, really enjoy. Who would have ever thought there would be a radio channel devoted only to classical piano trios??? This just amazes me. That's one of my favorite musical configurations. I discovered that channel at least six or seven years ago.

    Thank you. (none / 0) (#153)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 09:56:57 PM EST
    Here is a site called... (none / 0) (#144)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:37:09 PM EST
    Radio Garden, radio stations from around the world.  It's fun to play with.

    Here is another site called.... (none / 0) (#145)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:45:28 PM EST
    Radiooooo...    where you pick the country and then you pick the decade.  Its fun too.

    Metopera.org. (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:58:11 PM EST
    Science Fiction Scenario (none / 0) (#141)
    by RickyJim on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 02:19:11 PM EST
    1.Everybody in the world gets tested for Covid19.
    2.The world is divided into two groups, the + and the -.
    3.+s can only have personal contact with other +s and similarly for -s.
    4.The world goes back to work maintaining 3.
    5.Corona is eliminated from earth in short order.

    My guess is that if the testing were done today, the - group would vastly outnumber the + group but that may not be true a few months from now.  My impression is that a few countries like South Korea are trying to internally implement this scenario.

    An uphill battle, (none / 0) (#146)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 03:37:57 PM EST
    So (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:40:43 PM EST
    I have been admonished to only order groceries online and do pickup. I went to both Walmart's and Kroger's website today to order groceries and it ends up that they are days out on deliveries. So it's off to Target I go tomorrow. Youngest son is having to do home schooling because of the virus and  has to have a printer and wouldn't you know it my printer has died. So not only do I need food but I have to buy a printer.

    The whole ordering groceries on line (none / 0) (#154)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:00:10 PM EST
    for curb o/u or home delivery is a big time-waster. Just doesn't happen. Bev Mo delivers for a healthy delivery fee. But takes about a week.

    We ordered some groceries (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 10:16:12 PM EST
    from Costco on Tuesday just to see and they delivered the order in an hour.  I guess it depends on the alignment of the stars, or something.

    I had ordered from Schwan's on line. (none / 0) (#176)
    by oculus on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 11:55:24 PM EST
    Looked like most of the items were not available. So today, in the morning my two on line orders of frozen sockeyed salmon artived, packed in dry ice. Filled freezer. Then, in the afternoon, the entire order from Schwan's arrived, all frozen foods. So I was  pop up food bank for my neighbors.

    See, when you said Schwan's... (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by desertswine on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 05:10:16 PM EST
    at first I thought you meant the record catalogue.  Do they still print that I wonder.

    Movies and shows I've been watching (none / 0) (#180)
    by McBain on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    The original Alien:  Probably the best sci fi/horror combo ever.  Some of it doesn't quite hold up after 40+ years but most of it does.

    Frantic:  Probably Harrison Ford's best "My Wife!", "My Family!"  film.

    The Trials of Gabriel Fernandez docu series on Netflix.  Good but heartbreaking.  Has some interesting legal decisions and verdicts.

    Escape At Dannemora on Amazon Prime:  True story of a prison break.  Patricia Arquette won a Golden Globe.

    Slowly catching up with The Handmaid's Tale on Hulu

    Just started Season 3 of Ozark on Netflix.

    I'm watching (none / 0) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 03:38:07 PM EST
    this documentary on the exotic animal trade. It is just bizarre so far but you can't stop watching or at least I can't.

    My kids were talking about a doc that (none / 0) (#192)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 12:22:08 PM EST
    sounds like the one you're watching. Lions and tigers and meth, etc.?

    They say the doc is scarring.


    Tiger King? (none / 0) (#194)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 01:48:39 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#196)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 07:04:26 PM EST
    that's it. Might be scarring for some but for me it was like a train wreck. And the money people will pay to pet a baby tiger and the people that would go to the "circus" in Oklahoma to see basically a freak show with exotic animals. PT Barnum lives is all I can say.

    Me, too (none / 0) (#193)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 01:22:22 PM EST
    My daughter suggested it - not something that's normally her type of show.

    I know Joe Exotic is an Okie, but there's always Florida connections ... why is it always Florida?


    My 18 year old (none / 0) (#197)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 07:06:58 PM EST
    son suggested it. I don't know why FL is always involved but in this case it seems that a former drug kingpin is now in the exotic animal business or was. Another one I never knew about in Myrtle Beach SC sounds like part cult.

    From our "Flori-DUH!" file: (none / 0) (#182)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 05:51:27 PM EST
    If you want to know why and how a recent nationwide statistical study of state-by-state COVID-19 outbreaks conducted by the University of Washington College of Medicine could project that the U.S. fatality rate may reach 81,000 by summer, here's a compelling albeit anecdotal part of your answer.

    All beaches in Duval County, FL are presently closed by order, while officials in neighboring St. John's County only limited public access to nearby parking. This photo was taken at 3:00pm EDT today by Clay Archer of Jacksonville Beach. You can literally see exactly where the county line is. (Mr. Archer's Facebook page can be found HERE.)

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, like so many of his fellow GOP governors, has thus far refused to completely close down public areas or issue a "stay at home" order, an inexplicably obstinate stance which holds rich potential to facilitate an otherwise avoidable compounding of an already ongoing national tragedy.

    Oh, and by the way, that UW COVID-19 study allows for significant variability in the rate of nationwide fatalities, so that the totals can range anywhere from a low of 38,000 deaths to a high of 160,000+. If DeSantis & Co. continue to indulge their own ideologically-driven delusions at the ultimate expense of public safety, we can expect that those numbers will far more likely be on the high side rather than the low.


    Since DeSantis won't do his job, some mayors and (none / 0) (#187)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 03:10:14 PM EST
    other county officials are doing it for him. All the beaches and public parks in my county have been closed since the 21st and the closure is in effect till April 6th.

    This being Florida, people just decided they would congregate in other areas instead. So, we have now been put under a stay-at-home order since this past Thursday with a warning that if people still refused to follow the rules, we would go into a lock-down.


    Y'all (none / 0) (#188)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 03:51:17 PM EST
    are in a mess in FL much like we are here in GA.

    Pretty major tornado (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 07:04:03 PM EST
    Just landed about 60 miles from me

    The only tornado I remember being in (I was in one when I was one year old) was in this town when I was in college there.

    I was in a theater.  Had no idea anything was happening.  Lights went out.  Really loud noise.  Emergency lights come on.  We go out to find utter detestation.  Windows in front were gone with many pieces stuck in the wall behind the refreshment counter.  No one was injured that time.  Don't know yet here.

    I saw the video. (See hyperlink below.) (none / 0) (#184)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 04:32:29 AM EST
    Glad to hear you're okay. Hope everyone in Jonesboro is okay, too. This local traffic webcam caught the twister as it passed by.

    I experienced a tornado once in then-rural Lake Zurich, IL when I was 14 years old. It was in June 1975, and I had just arrived from Southern California the prior afternoon to visit my paternal grandparents at their farm.

    It had been storming during the night, and it was a little before 6:00 a.m. and my cousin and I were sleeping soundly when my grandfather rushed in, quickly roused us from bed while my grandmother woke up my uncle in the bedroom across the hall (he's only four years older than me) and they hustled us all down to the basement.

    I looked out one of the basement windows, and the only thing I saw was a huge amount of debris swirling about outside in what looked to be slow motion while we heard this hellacious roar. It was a mesmerizing sight, until my grandmother roughly pulled me away from the window.

    Then just as suddenly, the howling winds died down and it got quiet really quickly. After a decent interval, we went outside and while the house and all the structures were perfectly okay, the yard, the driveway and grounds were a complete shambles with debris, broken trees and bushes, large branches, lots of household trash from Lord knows where, what was left of what looked like someone's patio furniture, etc., scattered everywhere. It took us the entire day to clean everything up.

    Probably not something I'd ever want to experience again. Aloha.


    I've heard this story a zillion times (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 09:51:07 AM EST
    When I was just shy of a year old a tornado took our house.  No one was injured but I'm told my father threw my in a ditch and lay on top of me.

    Sounds like the kind of thing I would just as soon not remember.


    I can certainly understand why. (none / 0) (#189)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 07:01:13 PM EST
    It's such a memorable and sometimes traumatic event for so many people who've had to endure it. And let's face it, you do reside in a region of the country where tornadoes are common occurrences and pose the greatest immediate threat to life and property. So it's not surprising that they'd share their experiences with you, or that you'd have a couple of your own to share with them and us.

    While I grew up in Southern California, where our primary concern tends to be earthquakes rather than threatening weather, my aunts and uncles will still talk about the great L.A. storm and flood of 1938, which occurred when they were children and killed hundreds of residents. And here in Hawaii, I have my own stories of weather most foul, like the time Hurricane Lane dumped 50+ inches of rain on us in Hilo over three days.



    I (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by FlJoe on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 07:14:37 PM EST
    pretty much remember every Hurricane that came thru here. Nothing traumatic and the waiting was always the hardest part. There is no small amount of dread when a cat 5 storm is barreling straight at you.

    Tornados are extremely rare events (none / 0) (#198)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 08:43:24 PM EST
    where we live, about ten miles west of Philadelphia. But there was one about 15 years ago that rolled up the street two blocks from our house. Ripped out historic trees and cut holes in roofs where it struck, but left only a bit of debris on our street, less than 100 yards away. I had not understood how sharply defined the edge of a twister is. Terrifying and mind-blowing.

    Yes (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 08:58:50 PM EST
    They can take your house and leave the one next door.  It's like winning the lottery in reverse.

    Years ago when I was a kid (none / 0) (#191)
    by Zorba on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 10:48:46 AM EST
    We had gone to the basement due to tornado warnings.  The basement was a walk-out one in the back.  The tornado went over our house, and my dad went out the basement door to look up at it from beneath. I thought my mom was going to kill him.  The twister hit the store on the corner, three houses away.

    Freud (Netflix) (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 09:46:43 AM EST
    Just started this.  The reviews are mixed.  I'm not at all surprised.  I love it.

    In the recently released Netflix series Freud, the eponymous psychoanalyst pursues a brutal serial killer in the dystopic backdrop of 19th century Vienna. The series has generated a lot of attention - being directed by an Austrian horror specialist Marvin Kren and filmed in the city of Vienna - a place where Sigmund Freud spent most of his life.

    Aficionados of horror fiction will find a mini-museum of the genre cleverly encapsulated in this new 8-part series. There are echoes from the entire corpus of western horror tradition - Faust, Frankenstein, Dorian Gray, Dracula, Caligari, Nosferatu, Body Snatcher's, and down to the recent films by Ari Aster of Midsommar (2019) fame. The legendary psychoanalyst has held a century-old sway over crime and horror narratives.

    Compared to the discipline he had said to have `fathered,' Freud possibly had more influence on literature, fine arts, theatre and cinema, especially during the first half of the 20th century. His theories inspired art movements like Dadaism and Surrealism, and his influence on artists as diverse as Virginia Woolf and Alfred Hitchcock has been widely documented.