Georgia to Recertify Election Results Today

Finally, the fat lady is about to sing. Georgia will recertify its election results today, confirming for the third time that Joe Biden won the state.

Can the media now stop paying attention to Donald Trump? He is irrelevant, he's toast, stick a fork in him, he's done.

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    As far as Trumps election lawsuits.... (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 09:43:27 AM EST
    ....I have actually grown tired of winning.  

    SCOTUS says go away. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 06:00:30 PM EST
    Appeal to throw out millions of PA votes refused by SCOTUS with a single sentence. They want no part of this charade. Good on them.

    I think this is the end for this nonsense. The Texas "lawsuit" will see the same fate. Maybe less than a sentence. Just one word, "No."

    Their passes have become more and more... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by desertswine on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 09:45:36 PM EST
    Hail Maryier.

    The Supreme Court asked (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 02:12:53 PM EST
    The four defendants in the Texas voter nullification suit to respond by 3 pm today.  The Pennsylvania response is in and does not mince words.  "..... Texas lacks standing. Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election". "Texas's effort to get this court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. ".

    The request to invalid its election is a "seditious abuse of the judicial process and urges the court to send a clear signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

    PA's response is pretty clear and (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 04:06:28 PM EST
    to the point. A reply that it is denied would be better than the alternative. Yet, I'm hoping for a much stronger reply from SCOTUS.

    This whole thing is really (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 04:07:36 PM EST
    starting to pi$$ me off. That's my vote they want to throw out. I take that rather personally. It will result in chaos from the likes of me.

    Eff the GOP. The whole GD lot of them. Just like expressed in another post, they are attempting a "quiet" coup. Well brother, it ain't gonna be so quiet should they succeed. (I don't expect that.)

    Eff the GOP. No kumbaya. No let's get along. No working together. The Democratic Party should slash and burn as much as possible. Prosecute, investigate, disbar, investigate some more. All day, all year. Expose these fascists for what and who they are. They are not patriots. They do not support American democracy.



    More than 100 Republican (none / 0) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 04:25:15 PM EST
    members of the House of Representative signed on to amicus brief in support of the Texas lawsuit to over-turn the election results in four states. (Kevin McCarthy and Liz Cheney did not sign).

    Those Republican members of the House of Representatives elected in one of the four states on the same ballots they claim to be invalid/fraudulent for Biden, appear to be saying that they should not be seated in the House. They should be accommodated.

    A lot of seditious Republicans in the House. At least one US Senator, Ben Sasse (R.NE) says the Texas suit is a PR stunt not a lawsuit.


    Ron Brownstein (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:13:32 PM EST
    "Republicans' tolerance, if not active support, for President Trump's ongoing bid to overturn the 2020 election has crystallized a stark question: Does the GOP still qualify as a small-d democratic party--or is it morphing into something very different?"

    "Even with the Supreme Court still deciding whether to consider a last-ditch legal effort to invalidate the results from the key swing states, there appears little chance that Trump will succeed in subverting Joe Biden's victory. But Trump's failure on that front has obscured his success at enlisting a growing swath of his party to join his cause--a dynamic that is already prompting new Republican efforts to make it more difficult to vote and raising concerns about the party's commitment to the basic tenets of Western democratic rules and conventions, including the peaceful transfer of power."

    "Republicans' widespread enlistment in Trump's efforts follows years in which officials have advanced hundreds of state-level measures making it more difficult to vote; engaged in extraordinary legislative maneuvering to deny former President Barack Obama the opportunity to fill a vacant U.S. Supreme Court seat; and have either looked the other way or abetted Trump in a series of actions shredding democratic norms, including attempting to weaponize the Postal Service, tilt the results of the census, and pressure the Justice Department to investigate his opponents."



    Why (none / 0) (#65)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:12:50 PM EST
    is this
    Does the GOP still qualify as a small-d democratic party--or is it morphing into something very different?"
    even framed as a question anymore?

    As i said below (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:26:08 PM EST
    I think there are still sane republicans.  They are either going to split or someone is going to win.  If someone "wins" it will be the crazies.

    I don't really see how a split is possible.  But I don't see how things continue like this.

    People like the quote you mentioned will either start an indie party or some third party or will be primaried out.

    Larry Hogan is already running.  Wouldn't surprise me if either he runs as an indie or Trump is chased out of the party and runs indie.   Or one of the Trumps in waiting maybe.  I don't really expect Trump to run again.

    But I see a split.


    Here's a split... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 11:17:10 AM EST
    Sane(r) republicans join the corporate wing of the democrats and become republicrats...sing kumbaya over brandy and cigars while sticking it to the working people as was customary circa 1960's to 1990's as "technically" two parties.

    Trumpers form the American Fascist Party.

    Progressive wing of the democrats form the Democratic Socialist Party.

    Whaddya think?


    I think a fascist (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 11:49:56 AM EST
    could be elected president with 34% of the vote.

    Which happens to be the number that think the election was "stolen".


    I'd lay the odds at... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:16:10 PM EST
    Democratic Socialists 39%, Fascists 34%, Corporatists 27% ;)

    yes, two Reps from my state (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by leap on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 12:12:27 AM EST
    are on-board with this B-S. So I sent each of them a note:

    Regarding the Texas Voter Nullification

    Dear ---,

    Well, aren't you special, trying to overthrow a legitimate election through an act of sedition. Since you think (on no bases of fact) that the electoral process is SO obviously corrupt in this country, I'm sure you are willing to give up your seat in Congress until we can straighten out this parlous situation. Is that right?

    You know what? You don't represent me or the district or our glorious State. You represent the obscenity that is the Republican Party. Go to hell. And shame on you.

    Piss on the g-d GOP. They are all just horrible people.


    So (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:48:07 PM EST
    When can we expect the supremes to speak on TX?

    If they asked for a response by 3 pm today (none / 0) (#64)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:10:43 PM EST
    then likely they are voting (privately) this afternoon or evening. Then it depends on whether anyone feels that writing something would be appropriate. Roberts just might. If not, however, it could be 10 am tomorrow (Friday). If someone is writing, then maybe late Friday, or even Monday morning.

    I think someone (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:17:28 PM EST
    should say something.   I said that yesterday.  I still think so.  This is beyond outrageous.  It's close to criminal.  They should say something besides no or denied or anything else without comment.  Not only about the sedition but about the glut of crazy lawsuits.

    I hope Roberts does.  If that's what you meant by write something.


    Yes, they (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:30:07 PM EST
    probably SHOULD say something but this conservative supreme court will never do that. I would put money on that.

    I wouldn't want to bet (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:36:14 PM EST
    But whatever else Roberts is he does not seem like a knuckle dragger.

    I also think he might see a chance for a truly historic Margaret Chase Smith moment.  

    If he believes what he preaches he has a golden opportunity for his own Declaration of Conscience.


    It (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:49:17 PM EST
    is time for a "at long last have you no decency" moment, Roberts would make a good messenger.

    Peter said (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:43:59 PM EST
    If someone is writing, then maybe late Friday, or even Monday morning.

    Monday morning would be interesting timing.  With the EC vote coming later in the day.

    Two in the head.


    The best would (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 08:33:47 AM EST
    be a 9 to 0 ruling for dismissal. No writing, since to get all of these Justices on board would likely be (or be misconstrued as) "bothsiderism"--but too late to do anything. Wish I had more confidence, but look who is there and how they got there.

    Hopefully, the denial/dismissal of the (none / 0) (#82)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 10:01:27 AM EST
    underlying Texas motion would be a unanimous one-liner, yes. When I referred to a Justice writing something, it would be a separate, signed "concurrence" in that order, for as many as choose to sign on. It would not affect the court's vote.

    Maybe I'm not being clear (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 04:43:21 PM EST
    I want Roberts to "say something" about this shi+ show I don't mean I want him to come to a podium and speak.

    I would like to see something in writing that will help bury this clown coup.

    Concurrence works for me.


    The number (none / 0) (#92)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:53:42 PM EST
    of House Republicans who have signed on to the seditious Texas anti has grown to126, and now includes McCarthy.

    the States of New California and New Nevada (none / 0) (#85)
    by leap on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 12:41:00 PM EST
    The (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by FlJoe on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 05:46:30 PM EST
    Supremes reject the Texas lawsuit, no details yet.

    Here's the (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 05:52:07 PM EST
    almost exactly as I predicted: @6:45 Friday (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 06:27:57 PM EST
    Seven Justices decline to consider the State of Texas's stupid case at all, because a State has no legally protectible interest in how another State conducts is elections (legally, this is the doctrine of "standing"). Two Justices (Alito & Thomas) adhere to a position they have expressed in other cases, that when one State sues another, the Supreme Court is obligated under the terms of Article III of the Constitution to accept the case. Having accepted the case, however, even Alito and Thomas say they would "not grant [any] other relief." So, a purely technical distinction and thus, a unanimous loss for Texas and its 17 co-plaintiff states and 100+ Republican legislators ... and even for Tr*mp himself, who attempted to intervene as a plaintiff in his private capacity as a candidate. A total loss for the putschists.

    Let me make sure I got this right. (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 09:47:04 AM EST
    The 2020 elections was rigged through a conspiracy of the Republican Sec. of State in GA, the Republican Gov. of AZ, the entire state govts of WI, PA, NV and MI, the US Supreme court and numerous lower state and federal courts. Oh, and 81 million Americans.

    Not only that (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 12:08:14 PM EST
    but it was only rigged for the presidential election. The Representatives who won in those states and signed on to the suit to overthrow the presidential election....well everyone knows the votes for them were legitimate. The Republican Party is corrupt from top to bottom.

    You (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by FlJoe on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 12:48:02 PM EST
    are wrong, there is no bottom.

    It gets complicated (none / 0) (#127)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 06:27:31 PM EST
    My ballot is different from my neighbor's 200 yards away because we live on opposite sides of a city limit.

    Elections are conducted by thousands of towns and counties, each with a different ballot. So an effort to coordinate them all would leave a trail of communication a mile wide.


    Pennsylvania and Georgia have cast (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Peter G on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 12:19:38 PM EST
    their full measure of electoral votes for Biden-Harris. And the whackadoodle Wisconsin Supreme Court has voted 4-3 (!) to reject the Tr*mp campaign's belated effort to invalidate the entire election there.

    How many (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 01:17:37 PM EST
    cases has Trump lost now? Last I heard it was like 58.

    I heard yesterday (none / 0) (#134)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 10:06:49 AM EST
    it was 59 with a very good chance that it would reach at least 60 since one more had just been filled.

    Marc Elias (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 08:06:09 PM EST
    said on twitter today it was over 100 I think but he must have been counting the affiliated cases from the Kraken Wood gang.

    Kemp karma (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 08:11:44 PM EST
    Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) said that he, his wife and three daughters have been targeted with conspiracy theory-fueled death threats and false claims after he refused President Trump's request to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the state, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

    I am very sorry his wife and children are dealing with this.  I simply can not bring myself to being sorry for Kemp.

    You can only hope other republicans look at this and take a lesson.


    Silly (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 08:32:50 PM EST
    rabbit, lessons are for libtards.

    Typical Republican (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 18, 2020 at 10:41:44 AM EST
    Doesn't matter, doesn't count unless or until it hits home.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 18, 2020 at 06:29:39 PM EST
    the Quidiots think that Kemp had his daughter's boyfriend murdered because he "knew too much" and then there's the Dominion/China conspiracy theory and Kemp is being targeted as an agent of China.

    The only thing I say to Kemp is well, when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. Trump's history has been well documented and he even rolled Kemp under the bus over closures.


    The "kraken" (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 12:13:52 PM EST
    that Sidney Powell and Lin Wood had filed in court was thrown out today. She's going to have to come up with more "kraken" to keep the donations from the rubes rolling in.

    The Kraken (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    Turned to stone

    One lawyer's Kraken ... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:47:58 PM EST
    ... is another lawyer's calamari.

    Good (none / 0) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 02:58:40 PM EST
    luck with this
    Can the media now stop paying attention to Donald Trump?
    He may be way beyond crazy uncle territory but he still is sitting at the head of the table for the next six weeks.

    After that I seriously doubt that the media will be able to quit him and I have no doubt that tRump will not shut up like every other ex-president in my memory.

    If we are lucky the media will report each bit of craziness and make every Republican either avow or disavow it.

    So far the media has been pretty good at setting up the fraudulent election trope as a litmus test for Republicans, they mostly have refused to give a straight answer but the media hasn't given up...yet.

    I think some media will try (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 03:25:55 PM EST
    or try to look like they are trying.  Trumps coverage on CNN and MSNBC could hardly get worse.   Unfortunately there is the other media that will wallow in the "news" he makes and amplify it.  
    That media seems to be growing everyday with new challengers for FOX who will be under great financial pressure to match NEWSMAX and OANN for tickets on the crazy train.

    There is no single "media" anymore.  

    What I'm curious about is what happens if, as many suspect, Trump flees the country to avoid prosecution.  It's hard to imagine him resigning so Pence could give him a bullet proof pardon.  Which would still not keep him out of state prison.

    What will they do if he bounces to Turkey, or the Saudis or even Putin.  


    The whole (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 03:53:31 PM EST
    Pence will pardon Trump thing has been rolling around for quite a while but obviously that does not look to happen. Pence has high hopes of being the next GOP nominee I bet and pardoning Trump would definitely put him on the loser train. We are now down to 2 options: he leaves the country OR he goes to Mar A Lago and spends the rest of his life testifying and hiring lawyers and spending time in jail. If he leaves the country it does make for an interesting dilemma as to how to get him back in the country to face charges. Fleeing the country usually is what totalitarians do hoping they will never be extradited. I'm sure he's studied the extradition policies of other countries already.

    It's (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 04:35:32 PM EST
    not so much a single media as a split Republican party, "Are you on the crazy train or not?"` No one foot on the platform and one foot on the train bs allowed.

    tRump is setting himself up to pretend to be running a government in exile from somewhere, whether it be from Mar a Lago or some foreign sh!thole. The latter may even be more appealing to the cultists while being that much more problematic for the rest of the party.


    They are about to do something new (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 05:27:46 PM EST
    "Multiple House lawmakers, including the top Democrat and Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, have said they will cut their holiday short if necessary to override a veto by President Donald Trump of the National Defense Authorization Act," CNN reports.

    The reaction will be interesting.  As far as a split party, yes.

    "President Trump's staunchest defenders on Capitol Hill are urging him not to concede even after President-elect Joe Biden wins the Electoral College vote next week, calling on their party's leader to fight for his unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud all the way to the House floor in January," CNN reports.

    "The view of Trump's defenders is at odds with that of many top congressional Republicans, including leaders of the Senate, who believe the election will be over next Monday when electors cast their votes and make Biden's win official -- even though the Democrat's victory in the presidential race has been clear for weeks."

    Also there are many, many, in the MAGAverse who absolutely believe Trump won and that he will be president for another term.

    That seems unbelievable but trust me.  When the EC does its job and they are forced to see reality I think there will be unexpected results around the country.


    If you have not been keeping up (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 05:29:22 PM EST
    Trump says he will veto anything that includes renaming military bases named after traitors.

    Defund the military! (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peter G on Mon Dec 07, 2020 at 08:11:12 PM EST
    Good work, Donnie. You are finally proving your cred as a member of the anti-war generation. Or something like that.

    It's about our Heritage (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 10:37:40 AM EST
    don't cha know

    The House Freedom Caucus announced it intends to vote against the annual defense authorization act this afternoon, CNN reports.

    If the entire caucus votes against the bill, support for the legislation could fail to reach a veto-proof majority.

    Adding (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 10:40:33 AM EST
    I don't think most who do not often interact with the crazies just what a huge issue this renaming of military bases really is.  

    It's a big deal.  I have a relative .......


    I have a few conservative friends (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 11:09:19 AM EST
    (not many). One of them, a very skilled appellate lawyer who is active in the Federalist Society, wrote me last night (referring to Ted Cruz's recent public statements), "So many in this world have departed so far from reality that I'm quite doubtful they will ever return. At least the courts have been admirably doing their job with regard to these meritless election challenges."

    You make my point (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 11:34:51 AM EST
    I know lots of those people.  That is not who I'm talking about.

    These people are not "conservatives".

    More like cult members.


    And they are definitely not (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 11:44:17 AM EST
    My friends.  You can't pick your relatives.

    The Hill (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 10:47:26 AM EST
    The Republicans are using this (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 02:05:24 AM EST
    as an excuse to enact more legislation that will restrict voting in states. More and better voter suppression is on its way.

    THIS (none / 0) (#11)
    by jmacWA on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 04:59:39 AM EST
    If we are lucky the media will report each bit of craziness and make every Republican either avow or disavow it.

    Hang him like a millstone around their necks.

    ...it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

    Today is Safe Harbor Day (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 08:36:41 AM EST
    What 'safe harbor day' is and why it's bad news for Trump
    Congress must count the electoral votes from states that meet the Tuesday deadline.

    One of the goals of Trump Inc was to delay certification in key states enough they would miss the deadline.

    And yet, every day there is some new (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 10:41:18 AM EST
    and unexpected crazy. Today, it's Texas "suing" the battleground states that went Biden, directly in the Supreme Court. One of the very few areas of original (as opposed to appellate) jurisdiction that the Supremes have is over a lawsuit by one state against another. Typically over something like where exactly the borderline is under some river that has changed course since 1857, or something like that. No idea yet what the Texas AG's legal theory may be. Expert analysis -- suggesting it falls somewhere between dumb and baseless -- can be found here.

    I saw that (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 10:45:53 AM EST
    "In the suit, he claims that pandemic-era changes to election procedures in those states violated federal law, and asks the U.S. Supreme Court to block the states from voting in the Electoral College."

    Well, the Texas Attorney (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 02:04:32 PM EST
    General does seem to have more than a passing familiarity with the notion of fraud.   In an indictment unsealed yesterday, Texas AG Ken Paxton faces two counts of securities fraud and one count acting as an investment advisor or representative without registering.

    I believe (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 02:09:02 PM EST
    He's the one that said old people should just die if they are patriots.  Or something like that.

    Never was much of a patriot.


    It is so (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 02:22:24 PM EST
    easy to get these Texas miscreants mixed up.  But credit where credit due.  Lt Governor Dan Patrick wins the kill the old timers as patriotic duty award.

    Paxton's case is wacky,  political sprinting rather than legal standing , But, I wish I had a 95 percent confidence level that this lovely Supreme Court will unanimously free up Paxton     to spend more time with his personal defense attorneys.


    Texas. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 12:26:54 PM EST
    The new Floriduh.

    Tex-ass? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 02:16:42 PM EST
    Or tuch-ass.

    Reminds me (none / 0) (#28)
    by jmacWA on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 03:00:19 PM EST
    of listening to the old duffers on the golf course when I was caddying.

    Wisconsin (none / 0) (#29)
    by Towanda on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 05:32:45 PM EST
    is not amused, Texassians.

    Seriously, all these lawsuits require taxpayer-paid time by ourAG office, deferring other work, and clog courts, delaying other cases.

    That your legal profession is not acting to stop this nonsense is not a good look, as it looks like just shysters in it for the money for them, at cost to us.


    The legal profession, in one way, is (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 06:46:18 PM EST
    putting a stop to it, by judges (of all political stripes) dismissing the cases as promptly as the rules of procedure allow. Whether the lawyers bringing these baseless cases will face disciplinary consequences, or whether their clients will have to pay the costs (or even the lawyers' fees) of the people and entities they have baselessly sued, will come up later. Not necessarily much later, but later.

    Jeopardy (none / 0) (#21)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Dec 08, 2020 at 12:05:20 PM EST
    "I'll take 'How cold is it?' for $1000, Alex."

    "Stacy Abrams' revenge."

    "How cold is frozen helium?"


    I'm wondering (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2020 at 07:12:06 PM EST
    how the supremes will react to this new Texas thing.

    Trump warns Georgia AG not to rally other Republicans against Texas lawsuit

    Surely they won't take the case but I wonder if they will say more than "no".

    Seems like someone needs to talk about just how crazy this is.

    The law professors and other states' AGs (none / 0) (#34)
    by Peter G on Wed Dec 09, 2020 at 07:46:14 PM EST
    can talk about that. (In fact, it appears that even the Texas AG's chief deputy for appeals, that is, the state Solicitor General (a job that Ted Cruz once held), refused to co-sign this filing.) I predict that all the Supreme Court will say is: "Application for leave to file bill of complaint DENIED."

    Trump is leading (none / 0) (#35)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 09, 2020 at 08:15:46 PM EST
    a coup. It will fail, but it will still be an attempted coup and this needs to be called out for what it is.  Biden and Harris are not the ones to do it since it would shift Trump's subversion away from his anti-democratic effort to over-throw the duly elected government.  The timing of the announced federal investigation of Hunter Biden seems to be a piece of plot.

    Mockery and ridicule have been effective to a point, but we have moved past that to the need for a concerted campaign by    all concerned citizens and groups---most media is doing a pretty good job, even Fox to a minor extent. But more needs to  be done-- calls for Trump's immediate resignation, for one The courts, so far, have, seen through the Trump con.   But, with so few days left for Trump in office and assumptions of failure have ameliorated the clear and present danger.

    The Supreme Court should not take this Texas case, dismissing it cryptically and without dissent as with the Penn case.

    This will is the reward FOX got (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 09, 2020 at 08:27:03 PM EST
    for doing a halfazzed job.

    Newsmax beats Fox News for first time ever in ratings after Trump's call to viewers

    You are right about the coup.  They have dropped the pretense of anything else.


    I was listening to NPR this am... (none / 0) (#37)
    by desertswine on Wed Dec 09, 2020 at 11:30:11 PM EST
    and they were referring to Trump's actions as a "soft" coup, because there were no tanks rumbling through the streets (as yet).

    Generalissimo Limbaugh... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by desertswine on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 01:10:43 PM EST
    is talking secession.

    I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York? Especially if you're talking about votes."

    But he's always been an angry white man, and now a victimized angry white man.  And an effing idiot.


    I thought (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:44:49 PM EST
    Rush had stage 4 lung cancer.  Why is he still ranting and raving?  

    Probably not for long. (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 03:03:49 PM EST
    In more recent photos and video, he's starting to appear pretty gaunt and frail. But, empathetic liberal that I am, I wish for him the very best of medical care, which he's heretofore worked so very hard to deny and take from other Americans for all these years.

    Wonder if (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 09:51:09 AM EST
    anyone at NPR is willing to bet the farm that Trump was not on the phone all night. working the Republican-appointed Supreme Court Justices on the Texas voter nullification case.  Trump is looking for tanks from the Handmaiden, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh for sure.

    He might very well try have tried to call (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:56:06 PM EST
    the right-wing Justices, but not one of them would take his call. Not one. No way.

    See comment (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:58:43 PM EST

    Thanks in advance


    I don't think he will get it (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 10:10:43 AM EST
    I really don't.  But the fact he has made it such a big deal, as in "THIS IS THE BIG ONE!!!", along with the EC meeting Monday  it's possible a few more republicans are going to start saying it's over.

    They, the ones not lost in Trumpland who have to run statewide, have got to be hating this.

    Plus, Tom Cotton for one has no intention of stepping aside for Cheeto.  And they will be others.  

    I think a crash and burn is coming.


    You are probably right, and I fervently (none / 0) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 11:33:04 AM EST
    hope so, but I am nervous about this.  A prompt dismissal involves trust and integrity of Alito, Thomas and the Trump appointees.

    Trump has made it clear, in the rush to confirm the Handmaiden, that he expected the Court to rule in his favor in any election issues.  And, this case is one of original jurisdiction--no lower courts rulings to deal with.

    The Supreme Court has become a crucial lever of right wing resistance to democratic electoral outcomes. Alito and Thomas are bitter enough and reliable enough Republican hacks to give pause. And, who knows, the Virgin Mary may have interceded in the Handmaiden's thinking.

    Certainly, Trump will not be shy in trying to cajole SC members in late night phone calls. He has done this with state officials, most recently, with the Georgia AG.

    Even a public dissent on the case, if taken, or on a decision not to take the case, would be bad---see even the Supreme Court was split on this being a stolen election.  

    The Georgia Attorney General, who Trump tried to sweet talk, called the Texas suit "constitutionally, legally, and factually wrong." However, Perdue and Loeffler sided with Texas over Georgia. And, we have 18 states going along with this run at a judicial coup. These are not normal times. They are scary times.


    You aren't the only nervous one. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by leap on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 11:56:55 AM EST
    Ruth Ben-Ghiat is nervous, and not amused by anything Trump does or has done. She ought to know, since her career has been in studying fascists and fascism. Trump falls right in line with modern-day fascists. Because he is so familiar with media and entertainment, he's quite gifted at using techniques of propaganda and misinformation; ignoring all rules and customs; pushing chaos; feigning masculinity; using violence not just in deeds but in words.

    Plus, she kind of has an outsider's view. I heard an interview with her where she said both her parents were Trump-supporters, but since they are not American citizens (I think they live in Israel), she is relieved they couldn't vote for him. But even they have fallen for his schtick.


    At this point (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 11:55:29 AM EST
    I think the more who "sign on" the better.  They will all look like fools when they get slapped down.

    And surely they will be slapped down.

    We are numb to outrage but if they did this the country would explode.  If they don't some people who watch Newsmax will be pissed.   Enough that it's not nothing.  But, the country would explode.  


    Yes, the country (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 12:48:15 PM EST
    would explode.  It would be the end of the republic, the end of democratic government.  But, 74 million voted for Trump suggesting their preference for authoritarianism over democracy.

      Fascism suits them.  A judicial coup and its consequences are likely seen as having to break an egg to make an omelet. And, too, Republicans, being in greatest measure, and at best, cognitively impaired, are inured to the consequences of their actions.  

    Eighteen states joining in on this Texas call to nullify the votes of four states along with Trump's intervening, and likely pressuring of the Supreme Court members whom he no doubt feels he owns, is a fascist coup in the works.  If unsuccessful, as we assume, it will remain a dark period for the nation


    Elderly (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 12:05:39 PM EST
    They keep saying the "elderly" will be among the first to get vaccinated.  

    Anyone know exactly what "elderly" means?

    65?  Whut.

    From what I understand, (none / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 12:35:20 PM EST
    people in care facilities (nursing homes etc.) will be receiving it after front line healthcare workers. Then people with at risk health issues. Healthy seniors are pretty far back in line. Within the senior category, I would imagine that the older you are, the sooner you will the vaccine.

    Yes (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 12:45:27 PM EST
    But it will probably be a number.  And I asked because I just turned 69.

    So it will be 70.  Probably.


    For youngsters like you, (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 03:56:18 PM EST
    Other parameters will be applied. If I qualify for health risks, I'm behind 23 m. If not, I'm 118.5 m. in line. Big differences.

    app to see where you fall


    There is (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:09:44 PM EST
    a handy tool

    To find out where you are in line.

    It says there is 1.2 million before me.  7,700 in my county

    But there nothing about what the age cut offs are.


    Oops (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:10:33 PM EST
    I linked to your link.

    I should read better.


    The 1.2 (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:16:51 PM EST
    Is in my state

    118 million in the US.


    I'm behind (none / 0) (#58)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:43:00 PM EST
    23 million in the US, behind 427,700 in my state, and behind 15,100 in my county.

    The rest of the data (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:29:30 PM EST
    I'm behind 468,400 others who are at higher risk in my state and behind 92,000 others in my county. There is a definite disadvantage to living in a large county.

    Has Mr. Zorba looked at any of the data on the vaccines and what does he think?


    I wonder if (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 10:14:10 PM EST
    as the data says, about half of those in front of us will not want to be vaccinated.

    From what I heard, (none / 0) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 07:52:07 AM EST
    that component is not considered in the number.

    70 is the new 50, ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 03:06:03 PM EST
    ... except for those people who moved like 60 when they were only 30.



    When I was pregnant at age 35 it was called (none / 0) (#88)
    by vml68 on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:26:46 PM EST
    a "geriatric pregnancy"!
    So, to be considered "elderly" at 65, not so bad :-)

    Where was this? (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 03:42:57 PM EST
    Honestly, I never heard that term "geriatric pregnancy" before now. When my elder sister became pregnant with her son at age 40, I distinctly remember her telling me how self-conscious she felt after her OB-GYN described her physical condition during pregnancy as excellent despite her "advanced maternal age." But that was in Nice, France back in 1994.

    SN (none / 0) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 05:36:58 PM EST
    Senator Sasse, it's an attempted coup, calling it a publicity stunt is enabling them.

    I don't see how (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 06:00:11 PM EST
    The Republican Party does not split.  That would be the best thing that could possibly happen.  For us.

    I don't really (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:26:59 PM EST
    see a split so much as the GOP becomes 100% the Trump party. The rest of them probably drop out of politics. I don't see them forming any kind of third party simply because there just is not enough of them left.

    This (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:21:08 PM EST
    This really is it.  The base.

    The customary explanation for Republican timidity is that officeholders are afraid of Trump. Though sometimes intended as apology, this does not say much for GOP leaders. It may miss what is really happening, though. Trump shapes but also reflects the views of Republican voters. A new Quinnipiac poll finds that 70 percent of Republican voters believe Biden's win was illegitimate. When The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state's election, she replied, "If I would say to you, `I don't want to do it,'" referring to signing the letter, "I'd get my house bombed tonight."

    Elected officials ought to be responsive to constituents--within reason. But the disposition of the election has long since passed the bounds of reason. Republican officials aren't afraid of Trump so much as they are afraid of Republican voters. And Republican voters appear to be afraid of democracy.


    CNN has Santorum on defending the lawsuit.

    If republicans lose those two senate seats and democrats take control of the senate it will be because of one person.  It will be Trumps ugly baby.

    If that happens I believe his stock could fall sharply.  And quickly.

    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:35:39 PM EST
    the key to ending a lot of this is for Loeffler and Perdue to be taken out. The GOP would have to keep up the fight just to keep Trump in office with a D senate and house. McConnell is not going to fight to be minority leader.

    Watch (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 07:31:55 PM EST
    It becomes more clear (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 10, 2020 at 08:24:24 PM EST
    The real goal is a pardon

    FBI agents seek Texas attorney general records in Paxton probe

    Federal agents served at least one subpoena Wednesday on the office of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in an ongoing investigation into allegations that Paxton abused his authority by helping a friend and campaign donor.

    10 years ago, if you had ... (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 03:48:13 PM EST
    ... submitted this scenario to me as part of a proposed movie screenplay for a political drama, I would've likely rejected the premise as much too cartoonish and far-fetched.

    It's amazing how far our country has devolved over the course of only a decade.


    I guess (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 04:56:25 PM EST
    But the signs were definitely there in 2010.  In 2009 Joe Wilson screamed "you lie" in the middle of the State if the Union.  A first.  

    This crazy has been growing on the right for my whole life.  But Obama's election turbo charged it.

    I really think the entire Trump presidency can be seen as a reaction to the first black president.  And I think it will be, including the finale we are living through, seen that way by history.

    The current heightened version of crazy started in 2008.


    I agree (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 05:52:34 PM EST
    Nothing Trump has said is anything I didn't hear growing up in SC from the likes of Strom Thurmond. This all began back in the 60's when the GOP decided to play pussyfoot with the neo-confederates who couldn't accept that black people were human too and therefore had the same rights as every other white person to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    There were a lot of Republicans who worked so very hard to undermine the legitimacy of Bill Clinton's 1992 election and 1996 re-election as president, hence a nearly seven-year special counsel investigation that strayed far afield from its original mission, starting with Whitewater and ending with Lewinsky.

    But from my own perspective, the devolution of Republican politics into a paranoid and perpetual right-wing search-and-destroy mission likely began back in 1968 with Richard Nixon's ascendancy to the White House, which coincided with (a) the back-to-back assassinations of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and Sen. Robert Kennedy, which effectively kneecapped the liberal movement at a critical juncture in our country's journey; and (b) a newfound affinity of ultra-conservative Dixiecrats for Nixon's GOP.

    Nixon, of course, operated with absolutely no personal regard for legal, moral and ethical boundaries as either candidate or president, which as you noted earlier is a character trait long admired by people predisposed toward authoritarianism. In that light, it's rather telling that even when the Watergate scandal finally took Nixon down in August 1974, roughly two-thirds of self-identified Republicans still supported him.



    Increasingly desperate for attention (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:23:53 PM EST
    Trump plan to revive the gallows, electric chair, gas chamber and firing squad recalls a troubled history

    He is circling the drain.  Read this tweet.  It doesn't even make sense

    Donald J. Trump
    Now that the Biden Administration will be a scandal plagued mess for years to come, it is much easier for the Supreme Court of the United States to follow the Constitution and do what everybody knows has to be done. They must show great Courage & Wisdom. Save the USA!!!

    So trump called the Biden Administation (none / 0) (#89)
    by desertswine on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:27:29 PM EST
    a "scandal plagued mess."   AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!

    For years (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 02:31:17 PM EST
    to come

    I think this could be good (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 03:04:03 PM EST
    There is, or was at least before they stopped making the chemicals that did it painlessly, something sort of sanitized about lethal injection.

    This sort of drops the mask.  If you are going to kill someone they are just as dead whatever method.

    Makes people think about what execution really means.   It's not putting down a pet it's killing a person.


    That appears to be the long-anticipated (none / 0) (#98)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 04:16:14 PM EST
    concession, referring openly to "the Biden Administration."

    The sadistic state of Missouri (none / 0) (#99)
    by MO Blue on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 04:39:04 PM EST
    Is proposing legislation making it legal to run down protesters.

    Missouri bills seek to shield drivers who hit protesters


    Senator Chris Murphy (D. CT): (none / 0) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 05:17:46 PM EST
    "Right now, the most serious attempt to overthrow our democracy in the history of our country is underway.  Those who are pushing to make Donald Trump president, no matter the outcome of the election, are engaged in a treachery against their nation".

    Donnie and the (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 06:04:01 PM EST
    I sincerely (none / 0) (#107)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 06:10:13 PM EST
    Hope it is, for him.

    No tweets (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 06:18:25 PM EST

    Insult to injury (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 06:26:33 PM EST
    Sad (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 08:15:24 PM EST
    Trump, who as of publication had not yet offered his thoughts on Twitter, was scheduled to attend a White House Christmas Party on Friday evening.

    "At the White House Christmas Party, guests were informed about 10 minutes ago that the president won't be joining them to make remarks," New York Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman reported Friday evening.

    He (none / 0) (#112)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 08:25:41 PM EST
    is behind on packing.

    I think (none / 0) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 08:40:27 PM EST
    he is currently lying on the floor kicking and screaming and pulling on his hair. No way the can get that dead rats nest back in place in time to attend a party.

    kind of like (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by leap on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 10:05:56 PM EST
    Oh yah (none / 0) (#115)
    by MO Blue on Fri Dec 11, 2020 at 11:06:23 PM EST
    Precisely what I had in mind.

    The hair is one (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 09:19:53 AM EST
    thing but the grift being over is probably making him just as angry if not more so.

    The grift is definitely not over (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 10:28:18 AM EST
    See new Tweets

    Donald J. Trump

    If they have "just begun to fight" (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Peter G on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 01:25:40 PM EST
    then they are definitely starting too late to win.

    I should (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 04:41:37 PM EST
    have said that particular grift has come to an end. I'm sure they will come up with another one to take its place.

    Hilariously here in GA after the supreme court decision there are plenty of people proclaiming that they are going to teach the GOP a lesson and not vote in the senate races. I hope there are a lot of them.


    Destroy the GOP (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 05:40:06 PM EST
    Never thought I'd agree with a Trumper (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 07:09:46 PM EST
    But I'm all for them destroying the GOP especially in GA on 1/5.

    They are (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 06:10:48 PM EST
    certainly being hoisted on their own petard and I am here for it.

    looks like they'll destroy themselves (none / 0) (#128)
    by leap on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 07:02:48 PM EST
    Practically no one wearing masks, standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Good.

    You had to love (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 07:03:55 PM EST
    the kilts with buffalo check shirts. That was enough to put some eyes out.

    The grift (none / 0) (#120)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 12:12:08 PM EST
    will never be over for the Trump crime family. They will continue the con from their prison cells if the gods are kind enough to see justice done. And the rubes will continue to donate. Definitely confirms the old adage: A fool and his money is soon parted.

    The (none / 0) (#122)
    by FlJoe on Sat Dec 12, 2020 at 12:57:08 PM EST
    mighty kraken has struck out, no big deal. Godzilla is stepping up to the plate.