Monday Open Thread

There are other things happening in the world, besides the presidential election.

Here's a place to discuss them, all topics welcome.

If you want escapism, I recommend Tehran on Apple TV (only 8 episodes) and as always, Money Heist and Reign on Netflix.

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    Yes, Money Heist (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 04:28:09 PM EST
    is fun.  Other series to take the mind off, for a few hours: Light and Airy: The Durrells.  Serious and history: The Good Lord Bird (I have been recording the Showtime series), and interesting police procedural: Bosch.

    Better than take two aspirin and call me in the morning, is Keven Drum's prediction: Voting will be a little rockier than usual, but will go relatively smoothly, Biden will win, Democrats will take the Senate, Trump will never give a concession speech, post-election maneuvers will be minimal.

    We are rooting for you, Kevin, for Nostradamus, 2.0.

    I never binge (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 10:18:27 AM EST
    But my brother has me watching "Queen's Gambit."

    Great Show (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:03:08 PM EST
    My wife was friends in high school with the writer/director.

    And we both thought (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:07:22 PM EST
    the lady chess champ bore an uncanny resemblance to my wife.

    Wife and I loved the show. (none / 0) (#43)
    by coast on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 07:59:38 AM EST
    Ran through it in two nights.

    I mute Trump whenever he speaks (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 08:09:38 PM EST
    Not only I have no tolerance for his lies, I really can't stand the sound of his voice. I find I tend to mute Biden's speeches as well. I often don't like his delivery. The few times he reduces the volume of his delivery, IMO he is much more convincing. IMO, the increased volume does not portray strength, it is just irritating.I hope WHEN he becomes President, he begins delivering his speeches in a more normal voice, like he is having a conversation with us. If not, I will mute his speeches and read his positions rather than listening.

    OTOH, I normally enjoy listening to Kamala Harris.  (OK, I am a little biased). I like her more than Biden.

    Me too. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:11:08 AM EST
    Last night on TV Biden was having a speech and shouting. It made me wonder if he is hard of hearing. I'm not big on speeches by anybody. I actually have heard Kamala in person when she was running in the primary.

    It has occurred to me (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:00:36 AM EST
    that he might be hard of hearing, as well.

    I just hope he corrects his delivery when he becomes President.


    Drive in rallies (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:08:47 AM EST
    seem to make them want to shout.  I saw Kamala doing it the other day so much I was worried about a Dean Scream thing.

    I think it's drive in rallies


    Maybe?? (none / 0) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:11:51 AM EST
    He was shouting on the robo calls that I received.

    Watching Florida numbers (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 02:57:55 PM EST
    with Armando and cited references.....Apparently Dem turnout not bad?

    I really hope Armando is right because I (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 04:19:21 PM EST
    certainly don't have a good feeling.
    In a Swing County in a Swing State, the Verdict Is In: It's Going to Be Close

    I mentioned in another comment that based on party registration alone with a 62% early vote turnout, the dems had a 15k lead going in to today. That lead was wiped out this morning and the Repubs are currently 6k ahead with a 77.75% turnout. Let's hope that the pols are right and that NPAs break heavily for Biden.


    Our champagne is on ice awaiting (none / 0) (#24)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:18:27 PM EST

    My Tito's is in the freezer. (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:21:10 PM EST
    Had a wee nip already...

    I've had quite a few nips (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:28:40 PM EST
    of La Marca prosecco already. For some reason, the sparkling nature of prosecco and champagne seem more refreshing and cooling than my ordinary shot of Patron or Ketel One.

    Sir Winston Churchill (none / 0) (#49)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 12:14:59 PM EST
    `I could not live without Champagne. In victory I deserve it. In defeat I need it.'
    That's how we felt.  We had a bottle of Moët last night, raw oysters for appetizers, brown butter sautéed scallops, saffron rice, and stir fried mixed vegetables (shiitakes, baby bok choy, snow peas, and green onions) for dinner.

    Armando (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:24:21 PM EST
    can stress me out. I am glad you have the temperament.

    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 04:05:44 PM EST
    This is his last tweet:

    "Headed to liquor store. To celebrate or to forget."


    Seems to make sense about (none / 0) (#28)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:55:14 PM EST
    Florida numbers right now.  Next 2 hours are the whole ball game.

    Current analysis (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 04:19:11 PM EST
    is based on party registration of those who have voted.  They publish very up to date numbers on this.  

    The idea is that for Trump to win he needs to duplicate the lead in registered party GOP voters that he got against Hillary.  Armando says this is 6 points.

    Current GOP lead in registered voters is under 2 points.

    Monmouth saying this matches their model, which shows +2 GOP lead in registered voters, with Biden winning by 4.

    The idea is NPA (indies) will break Biden.

    BUT, no one knows how these folks actually voted.  Registered GOPers can vote Biden, and vice versa.

    AND two  more hours of voting left in Florida.



    The wife and I are working as election judges (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:53:06 PM EST
    First time. Hats off to these folks. It is exciting as watching paint dry. Four hours to go.

    Hour and a half to go (none / 0) (#34)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:22:46 PM EST
    Zero persons in line.

    Where are you serving (none / 0) (#35)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:38:10 PM EST
    as judge of elections?

    Minnesota (none / 0) (#36)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:48:58 PM EST
    "Judge" is a bit misleading. No judging is involved.

    I understand. In most places that title (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:56:34 PM EST
    means the senior volunteer among the poll workers, perhaps better trained or more experienced than the rest.

    Here all us worker bees are judges. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 07:36:58 PM EST
    Including those that disinfect the pens and booths.

    Don't let it go to your head, (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:20:14 PM EST
    then ....

    So far everything looks the same (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:46:22 PM EST
    as last time.  Did the last 4 years mean nothing?

    How is this even possible? (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:59:57 PM EST
    I don't get it, I seriously don't.
    How many people clutched their pearls when Hillary Clinton said a certain percentage of the population are deplorable?

    I will be very interested to see, (none / 0) (#44)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 09:19:39 AM EST
    in the end, whether Biden-Harris's percentage of the popular vote is more than that of Clinton-Kaine, or conceivably less.

    Last time I checked, it was already about (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 09:44:42 AM EST
    3 million higher for them and also for that burnt orange monstrosity.

    It boggles my mind that after 4 years of witnessing his madness, even more people came out to vote for him this time around.

    As much as I was willing to rationalize that maybe last time, people felt that candidate Tr*mp would rise to the occasion once he felt the weight of the Presidency and gave him the benefit of the doubt and voted for him, I can't do so this time.
    Atleast, 67 million people having seen the chaos, the misery, the ineptness, the corruption, etc., said "give me more".


    Can you put that in terms of projected percentage (none / 0) (#47)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 10:13:05 AM EST
    of the total popular vote? "Three million more" doesn't really mean anything to me, without knowing how much the electorate may have grown, relative percentage turnout, etc.

    Glad to hear that Colorado decisively (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 10:10:55 AM EST
    rejected an anti-abortion-rights ballot measure, by a margin of approximately 60-40.

    They always do. (none / 0) (#54)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 11:04:27 PM EST
    But every year there's another one. The anti choice crowd is certainly persistent.

    I don't think Colorado has any elected Republican state.officials after this electionn - Legislators excepted. The Centennial Stae gets a little bluer every year. Now to work on the Federal level - the Western slope did just elect a Qanon nut job.


    I was incorrect. (none / 0) (#55)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 12:20:27 AM EST
    There is one lonely R - a Regent was wasn't up for election.

    I see OR passed sweeping drug law reform, with possession of small amounts of Schedule 1 narcotics decriminalized by a hefty majority. Will it survive a court challenge is the question.

    Already talk of a similar measure in WA.


    Here is the... (none / 0) (#56)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 12:25:24 AM EST

    Hey, I remembered how to link!


    And for those who were infatuated (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by leap on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 12:07:53 PM EST
    with the "Lincoln Project," there's this admission by one its associates, Rachel Bitcofer. Bunch of scammers and grifters, true-blue Republicans all. I've not trusted them one iota, which seems to be and have been the correct response.

    They are laughing all the way to the bank with monies donated by the Democratic Party and by "People Like You."

    Not to beat a Republican fake horse, (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by leap on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 09:00:57 AM EST
    but I will anyway: Charlie Pierce is onto the Lincoln Project "Never Trumpers"

    "The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in this Election: Never Trump conservatives are about as relevant to the actual election results this year as are the Whigs or the Free Soil Party."


    In CA we "get" to vote for propositions. (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 02:16:06 PM EST
    These are potential laws directly voted on by the citizens and they fairly often contain no allowance for the electeds to in any way modify once voted into law. Most props fail.

    I'm happy to report that Prop 17 is almost assuredly voted into law, and that my voting for it is the direct result of what I learned here on TL.

    California Proposition 17. Restore Former Felon Vote

    Restores voting rights upon completion of prison term.

    72% reporting
            Vote %    Vote count
            59%    6,817,267
            41%    4,734,127

    The good (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 06:33:42 PM EST
    thing about living in a swing state is your vote actually matters. The bad thing is the continual phone calls. Sonny Perdue called just know begging me to vote for Republican candidates up and down the ballot. I'm not sure it's legal for him to do that though.

    Why do you think that it might not (none / 0) (#3)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 07:19:30 PM EST
    be legal? Please explain.

    Are not cabinet (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 07:20:24 PM EST
    members supposed to campaign?

    The Hatch Act prohibits him from using (none / 0) (#6)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 09:03:30 PM EST
    his title or office for political purposes. So, the Republican Party can use a robocall in which he says "This is Sonny Perdue, and I am encouraging you to ...."  But not "This is Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue, and I am calling to encourage you to ...." Etc.

    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:02:33 AM EST
    for the clarification Peter.

    Biden wins... (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 11:52:17 PM EST
    Dixville Notch NH.  A good omen I hope.

    Trump is delusional in all things (none / 0) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:14:56 AM EST
    He actually thinks he can dance. He featured his attempts to dance in a 3 a.m. tweet. Twitter should label it false advertisement.

    Woo (none / 0) (#14)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:25:42 AM EST
    dropped to 60 degrees this morning...break out the winter gear!

    Sunday night (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:32:00 AM EST
    Monday morning was our first freeze.  

    At home.  Not where we am now which is further south.


    Yep, 75 degrees down here. (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 09:16:27 AM EST
    Tried on my Levi's for the first time in a year and they felt like lead pants.  went back to shorts and a hoodie.  45 mph wind gusts here from hurricane ETA which is way down by Nicaragua, but casting wind bands this far.

    I put on actual shoes (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 09:20:49 AM EST
    Instead of the leather sandals yesterday.  For the first time in months.

    we had snow already (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 09:09:36 AM EST
    On Saturday - real snow, the kind that sticks. Some flurries today.  Not ready for this.

    Got down to 55F here. Brrr! (none / 0) (#20)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 10:44:32 AM EST
    Had to wear a long sleeved top yesterday.
    Thankfully, we will be back up into the 70s and 80s in the next couple of days.

    Crunch time (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 04:57:16 PM EST

    Time is (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 05:37:34 PM EST



    That other thing (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 05:44:08 PM EST
    "The United States has for the first time surpassed 100,000 new coronavirus infections in a single day, as a steadily rising number of hospitalizations threatens to again overwhelm some health systems," the Washington Post reports.

    That cannot be true! Here is is November 4 (none / 0) (#52)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 06:29:48 PM EST
    Wasn't there supposed to be no more virus, or at least no more news of the virus, after November 3?

    This is where his super spreader rallies (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 06:54:46 PM EST
    Become news again.

    A close friend of mine (none / 0) (#57)
    by MO Blue on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 06:57:08 AM EST
    was diagnosed with the virus yesterday. Her main symptom is a fever. Hopefully, her case will remain relatively mild with no after effects. She is healthy but is a senior.

    Luckily I haven't seen her in the last couple of weeks.