Shelter From the Storm: One Last Chance to Blow it Out

Like many of you, I have been on edge for days. I don't know what is going to happen. No one does. Watching Donald Trump's rallies this weekend, with lie after lie on everything from COVID to the economy to why minorities should love him, and watching them mindlessly cheer him, leaves me little hope.

And there's Biden, with no charisma at all. Only die hard Democrats and Trump haters will come out for him.

I do believe one of them will win decisively and we will have a winner in short order, although perhaps not on Tuesday night.

And a special Bronx cheer for the idiot son of Donald Trump who said on Fox on Thursday that Covid-deaths have been declining to almost nothing. The very day he said that, more than 1,000 Americans died.

The horrendous storm created by Donald Trump in all his infamy better end soon. The toll to the United States if he is not dethroned decisively is unimaginable.

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    Based on turnout, I hope you are wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 03:33:21 PM EST
    "Only die hard Democrats and Trump haters will come out for him."

    die hard Democrats and Trump haters AND (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 03:49:58 PM EST
    anyone who cares enough about the country to deprive Trump and the GOP another 4 years to screw up the country.  This will pub Biden/Harris over the TOP (I fervently hope)

    We're about to find out exactly how sexist (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CST on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 03:57:25 PM EST
    America is.

    I never thought I'd say this - but I hope it's really sexist, not actuallty fascist.

    Sexist, (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 02, 2020 at 04:00:01 PM EST
    Fascist, racist, homophobic, they all kind of go together.

    They just said (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:57:33 AM EST
    100 million early votes

    2 hour long line... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 07:56:34 AM EST
    at 6 am when my polling place opened...unheard of in my 16 years voting at this address, usually it's an in and out.  

    Not that turnout matters in NY, but still a good sign people are fired up to flush the turd and hopefully flip retiring Peter King's seat in the House in my ridiculously gerrymandered district while we're at it.

    Please lord, may we be delivered from evil to much lesser evil!

    In 2016, I lived in Hillsborough County. (none / 0) (#19)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 11:32:25 AM EST
    Reliably blue.
    Last year, we moved 8 miles west into Pinellas County. Purple. Obama won here but then Trump won it by about 5k votes.
    In 2018, Gillum won the county by about 13k votes. We had around 62% turnout in the early vote among registered voters with Dems having a 15k advantage, so I was feeling a bit confident that Biden would do well. Republicans came out in droves this morning and completely wiped out that lead. Now, I am back to chewing on my fingernails :-(

    What will be, will be Auntie V... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 02:25:19 PM EST
    Once you vote that's really all you can do...worse comes to 4 more years of worse we will survive to resist hate, racism, fascism, and greed in our words and deeds in our daily lives...same as it ever was.

    It's an eternal battle...never truly won or lost.


    Auntie V is planning to bail if Tr*mp wins. (none / 0) (#26)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:21:00 PM EST
    To be honest, I live quite a privileged life, so I feel like I'm being a bit of a whiny crybaby when I say this but I seriously don't think I can take another four years of this.

    Though, with the Covid situation being what it is, it is kind of hard to plan a move when other countries don't want to let you in.


    Completely (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:26:30 PM EST
    understand. We've been scoping out countries to be an ex-pat in. Nobody is gonna go anywhere until covid is over unfortunately.

    Good luck! (none / 0) (#28)
    by CST on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 03:32:53 PM EST
    My sister tried to immigrate to Canada after the 2016 election.  She got rejected.  I think it is a bit easier for retirees to move though, it certainly broadens your options.

    Good luck! Although hopefully we won't need it.


    I remember you mentioning that your (none / 0) (#29)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 04:06:53 PM EST
    sister was trying to move to Canada. That sucks that she got rejected. I have quite a few relatives that immigrated to Canada but it was many years ago. Is it still on a points system?

    Husband and I are not quite in the retiree age bracket though we are in a position where we could if we wanted to (not having kids definitely helps the bank balance). It is easy for me to say let's move because I am not working. But, at 46, doing well in his career (unfortunately, also very ambitious) husband does not foresee giving that up anytime soon.


    They are still on the point system (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 05:25:08 PM EST
    They actually made it harder after the 2016 election though.  She probably would have passed before then but even with an MBA she didn't cut it - 2 kids and too old/not in tech or medicine.

    It is not easy to immigrate into Canada, (none / 0) (#31)
    by leap on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:22:37 PM EST
    even as a well-heeled retiree. I don't blame them for making it harder for USAians to move there.

    Info here, too. Actually, there are many sites that explain the ins and outs of moving there. Shoulda done it in the 1960s...


    A good friend of mine married a Canadian... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 08:40:26 AM EST
    and they still would not legally let him work in Canada. I don't know all the details, he's divorced now and back in Jersey lol.

    As much as we rightly rag on our immigration policies, most other countries are much worse than us in this regard.  Canada and Mexico sure are.

    But most other countries don't take children from their parents or guardians and lock them in cages for breaking stupid immigration rules...more stringent, but more humane.  


    My sainted wife has been on the phone (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:26:26 AM EST
    almost continuously since 6:30 am, participating in a lawyers' election information trouble-shooting hotline for Dem poll workers. Fielding questions about voters' problems, issues with Judges of Elections (official polling place supervisors), etc., from all over PA.

    A big thank-you to your wife, Peter. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 10:59:54 AM EST

    She reports a steady flow (14 hours so far) (none / 0) (#32)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:43:09 PM EST
    of little issues, but nothing widespread or frightening. We are in S.E. PA. I brought her take-out from our local (non-chain) Mexican taqueria (and a Modelo). Six years ago there was no Mexican food here.

    Biden wins (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 05:44:11 AM EST
    By a lot

    House democrats pick at least 10 seats

    Senate democrats pick up as many as 10 seats

    (But more likely 6-8)

    I love that optimism (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:27:49 AM EST
    but it isn't making me feel less anxious.

    Me either (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:29:49 AM EST
    My anxiety level is through the roof. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 10:31:19 AM EST
    No appetite. Stomach in knots. I begged off work for a couple of days.

    I have been waking up with splitting headaches (none / 0) (#17)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 10:56:55 AM EST
    for a while now. At first, I thought it was just due to the fact that I haven't been sleeping very well. Reading election/political news before going to bed will do that to you.
    So, I switched to reading hobby related blogs instead. Headaches did not stop.
    Apparently, my anxiety is causing me to grind my teeth really hard at night which is causing the headaches.
    I'm hoping that ends tonight.

    I did (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 01:37:45 PM EST
    fine until I got home from work and got a pre-migraine aura. Ugh. I hope I can fight it off.

    I hope (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:13:20 AM EST
    you are right! And 10 senate seats would be a dream.

    I do believe with the turnout being so high that the polling is under counting to an extent the D voters.


    PS (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:39:19 AM EST
    Biden wins your state.  And Texas.

    Well, if the phone (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 01:51:16 PM EST
    calls are any indication Trump is losing GA. Just today on my answering machine there was a message from the Perdue campaign screaming how Jon Ossoff was going to take people's freedom and he's a Chinese communist. The message I got from the phone call is Republicans are not showing up.

    I am spending Election Day (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 06:56:49 AM EST
    with some blue friends.  Keeping our social distance and sitting on the edges of our seats.

    Axios (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 07:12:33 AM EST
    "If news organizations declare Joe Biden the mathematical president-elect, he plans to address the nation as its new leader, even if President Trump continues to fight in court," advisers tell Axios.

    "Biden advisers learned the lesson of 2000, when Al Gore hung back while George W. Bush declared victory in that contested election, putting the Democrat on the defensive while Bush acted like the winner."

    "So if Biden is declared the winner, he'll begin forming his government and looking presidential -- and won't yield to doubts Trump might try to sow."


    First Read (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 08:19:03 AM EST
    Sees 3 possible scenarios

    There are three overall scenarios how Election Night/Week/Month might play out.

    Shorter version, Trump loses by a lot, loses by enough and loses by a little.


    No line at lunch today (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 11:40:33 AM EST
    at my precinct.  First year voting here so can't tell if that's normal.

    While the presidential election is not going to be contested here we do have ranked choice voting on the ballot which is polling pretty tight.

    I've had a huge chip on my shoulder for 4 years now and I'm honestly curious to see if it actually goes away in the event Trump loses.  At this point I'm not sure.

    We have got to win. (none / 0) (#21)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 11:42:52 AM EST
    This is creepy (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2020 at 11:49:43 AM EST
    Related commentary (none / 0) (#34)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 08, 2020 at 07:26:51 PM EST
    from Georgia State law professor Eric Segall.