Monday Night Open Thread

San Francisco erases 8,000 marijuana convictions, dating to 1975.

Also, San Francisco loses a crusader for justice -- Public Defender Jeff Adachi has died.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Watching the crazy Trump & Kimmie show (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 07:48:10 AM EST
    This morning I was thinking, you know, what they should do is exchange hair.
    Then I thought, with more coffee, this is an image that MUST exist

    Coast Guard White Supremacist, (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 10:43:45 AM EST
    Christopher Hasson was indicted by a federal grand jury for unlawful possession of silencers; possession of fire arms by a drug addict and unlawful user; and possession of a controlled substance.  

    There were no terror-related charges.  When arrested, federal prosecutors labeled Hasson a "domestic terrorist who ranted about "liberal/globalist ideology" and wanted a homeland for white people.  Hasson had a list of targets that included Democratic leaders, MSNBC and CNN commentators.  

    That's because white guys (none / 0) (#50)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 11:55:52 AM EST
    can't possibly be "terrorists." Only brown people are terrorists. White people are only criminals.

    There's a popular perception (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 12:18:48 PM EST
    There's a popular perception that investigators are quicker to label violent crimes by Muslims "terrorism" than they are, say, right-wing extremist violence. This perception is well founded, and the approach is morally inconsistent, but the reasons aren't necessarily related to racism.
    in the eyes of the law, the connection to an international terrorist group, even if it's only rhetorical or ideological, matters a great deal.

    For domestic actors without such connections, the law--and the intelligence community's investigative powers--runs up against First Amendment and other civil-liberties protections.

    One man's terrorist (none / 0) (#52)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 01:07:00 PM EST
    is another man's freedom fighter.

    The Germans called the French and Dutch Resistance, terrorists.


    Oookaaaay... (none / 0) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 01:17:20 PM EST
    The guy had stocked up (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 02:34:08 PM EST
    on PEDs, presumably so that he would be more difficult to take out once he initiated his project of wrecking havoc.

    I wonder if the Coast Guard will find a way to keep it all 'in-house' if it turns out this guy was plugged into any sort of network of like-minded individuals in the CG.


    I have (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 02:46:26 PM EST
    a nephew in the coast guard and I will say that it's possible that more people in the CG have this mindset than you might like to think.

    Half the people commenting (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 03:04:07 PM EST
    on the Fox YouTube channel smell a rat, calling it a "hoax" or a "government psyop".

    That could just be the prescription painkillers talking though.


    Biden (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 07:15:44 PM EST
    In Omaha, Joe Biden calls Mike Pence "a decent guy, our vice president."

    I really hope you do not run Joe.

    Let him run (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 08:02:08 PM EST
    And get humiliated

    It will just make the others look good.


    An indicator (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 09:38:29 AM EST
    of how out of touch he is with the Democratic Party.  Not just Pence, but the idea of making nice with a political party that not even Bill Kristol can abide.  

    Ironically (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 07:14:10 AM EST
    after I posted that I read that Biden was afraid of losing again and that is why he has not announced.

    Which is a sign that as (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 08:10:39 AM EST
    I remember saying recently, he's not as dumb as he acts.

    If you think (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 09:06:42 AM EST
    Russia is going to be an issue in 2020 which I happen to think, it is going to ensnare both Biden and Bernie and drag them both out of contention.

    Totally non-political (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Zorba on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:28:44 AM EST
    I am listening to Greek music and making kefthedakia (Greek meatballs) which I will serve for dinner along with tzatziki sauce, which is already made.

    I love it (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:30:01 AM EST

    I am making (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:31:38 AM EST
    a rib eye with fried okra and broccoli and garlic cheese bread.

    Sounds very good (none / 0) (#97)
    by Zorba on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 02:28:52 PM EST
    To me!

    Tzatziki sauce (none / 0) (#104)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 08:39:21 PM EST
    takes me way to long to fix.  My gf looked at Zorba's recipe  and knocked it out in 20 minutes.

    Amid (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 03:41:17 PM EST
    the constant barrage of insanity this stands out

    "He's a character. He's a real personality. He's very smart... And he's a real leader... He's pretty mercurial--I don't say that in a bad way, but he's a pretty mercurial guy. He likes me, I like him. Some people say I shouldn't like him. Why shouldn't I like him?"

    Why shouldn't he "like" him?

    Kim rules with extreme brutality, making his nation among the worst human rights violators in the world.

    In North Korea, these crimes "entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation," concluded a 2014 United Nations report that examined North Korea.

     He likes me and I like him, I mean WTF"

    BTW: Suck on that forced abortion sht evangelicals, you elected a true monster.

    Mercurial.. (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 04:20:11 PM EST
    I'm surprised he knows that word

    Trump is starting to sound like one of those women who sent love letters to Ted Bundy in prison.

    How is His Doucheness Hannity going to spin this?

    Something something about "the Left's love affair with Mao and Pol Pot and Obama" no doubt.


    Chuck Terd and his both sider panel (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 04:50:56 PM EST
    Is shocked, stunned and deeply saddened Biden is being taken to the woodshed for calling Pence a "decent guy".

    Lindsey Graham OTOH thinks it's just terrific.

    Biden is a joke.  If he is dumb enough to run he will get slaughtered.

    And what the heck (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 04:54:05 PM EST
    Is up with that goofy Alfalfa combover.



    Oh, yeah (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 06:54:15 PM EST
    this seems to be the standard DC cocktail party response. Pence is a nice person in the way Kim Jung-un is a nice person.

    I had something really upsetting happen to me. (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 11:38:05 AM EST
    Don't know why I am sharing it here, maybe because I am still trying to process it.

    I am the kind of person who would rather be uncomfortable for hours than use a public restroom. But, sometimes especially on long trips, I have no choice.
    Recently, while on a trip, rather than use the restroom at the gas stationed I had stopped at, I decided to go to a big box store nearby because I assumed it would be a lot cleaner.
    I was in the stall in the women's restroom taking care of business when I saw a boy about 12-13 years old (way past the age for him to be using the women's restroom) standing outside my stall watching me. There was such a wide gap on either side of the stall door that I don't know why they even bothered putting in a door.

    Anyway, I was so startled that at first I just froze and when the boy did not move even though he saw me looking at him, I yelled at him to move away. It did not faze him one bit. He just stood there and kept looking at me. I finally said I would call security if he did not move away. To my utter shock, he went into the stall next to mine and then lay down on the floor and scooted under the divider towards me at which point I start to panic and shout. He got back up and again just stood outside my stall door looking at me. The whole time, I was shouting and amazingly no one heard me. A couple minutes later, I heard a woman calling out to him and he left. I stayed in the stall a few more minutes just to calm down. My husband was waiting for me outside and as soon as I walked out, he took one look at me and said what's wrong.
    I did not report it to the store manager or inform security, I just wanted to get the he11 out of there.

    I am still trying to process the fact that I, an adult woman feels violated and traumatized by a boy/child?!

    Awful. You are not wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Towanda on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 01:07:33 PM EST
    That kid has a real problem. And once past the toddler age, it is a real problem for the people he victimizes, no matter your age.

    I understand why you just wanted to get out of there, but maybe the next person will report him to start a record - because he will grow up to have a criminal record.

    For now, he just would get, at most, a juvie court slap on the hand, if that helpsmyounto feelmbetter about taking care of yourself first.


    Oh, I am so sorry! (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Zorba on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 02:34:45 PM EST
    I cannot even imagine what I would do in the same circumstance.
    That kid is probably going to wind up in a whole heap of legal trouble eventually, unless his parents get him some serious mental health help.
    I'm just glad nothing worse happened to you- that was scary enough!

    Thank-you. I am a short woman (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 05:15:11 PM EST
    and when this boy was standing, I could see that he was taller than me but still had a very "young" face.
    I will admit that when he started to scoot under the divider to my stall, my first instinct was to kick him. But, it would have meant kicking him in the face and even though I was really scared, I just could not bring myself to do it.  

    When I told my husband about the incident, he said that considering how brazen the boy was, it was probably not the first time he did this. He was also very glad that I did not kick this kid.


    When I read (none / 0) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 07:46:50 PM EST
    your post the first thing that went through my mind is I would have kicked him. I'm so sorry this happened to you. The fact that you were yelling and nobody came had to be really scary too.

    During the incident, I couldn't believe that (none / 0) (#141)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 09:35:38 PM EST
    no one could hear me but then as soon as I got out of the restroom into the store, I realized how loud it was in the store. My husband was waiting for me just outside the restrooms and he did not hear me shouting.

    If you had kicked him, and perhaps (none / 0) (#140)
    by Peter G on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 08:27:49 PM EST
    bloodied his nose or blacked an eye, I wonder what he would have said to his mother, or whoever that was outside looking for him, to explain it.

    I have no idea what he could have come up with (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 10:05:19 PM EST
    since it would have been obvious that he would have got that injury while in the women's restroom.

    Honestly, I just couldn't believe it was happening. My brain was struggling to process it, it was so unreal.
    If he was a 5 year old, I could have handled it. If he was an older teen, I would not have hesitated to kick him in the face but he was just at that stage where his body was obviously getting into the teen years but he still had a childlike face. A childlike face with a very creepy unchildlike expression.
    He was not much bigger than me and I was not afraid that he could physically overpower me, it was the way he looked at me that made me panic.


    Mother, as guardian ad litem, (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 01:24:53 AM EST
    sues store and female assailant.

    I'm so sorry that happened to you. (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 04:05:11 AM EST
    Please consider calling store management tomorrow and reporting the incident. You are likely not his first victim, but reporting it might help ensure that you could be his last, if he and his family frequent that store. If nothing else, security will have a heightened awareness.



    I called the store this morning and reported it. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 10:55:49 AM EST
    The store manager was not in so they transferred me to someone in personnel. The lady I spoke to said that they had a camera outside the restrooms that they could check and then she transferred me to another woman that she wanted me to talk to.
    The second lady said that they did not have any cameras that would show the boy heading into the ladies restroom.

    Anyway, the store staff are now aware of the incident.


    That is crazy. (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 12:22:09 PM EST
    I wonder if the store has video of the kid outside the ladies room or something?

    Well That Should Really Help... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 at 01:08:14 PM EST
    ...with your dislike of public facilities.  Sad face.  I am really sorry that happened to you.

    I used to ride motorcycle with a buddy and we would always take the roads less traveled because it was funner to take more time than compete with vehicles for road space.  In Texas, off the beaten path gas station bathrooms are amazing in their horrendousness.  

    I always meant to take a camera and get them on film because they were literally unbelievably nasty.  Even as a guy, I might now have to sit down, but I still gotta get that door open with the same hands that I am going to use to snack in the very near future and my boots are still going into my home at some point.

    Let's put this on the list of things we will wish for in case we ever come face to face with a genie.  "Never having to use a public facility again".


    Most stores have video cameras (none / 0) (#156)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 07:19:32 PM EST
    While the cameras are mostly to limit shoplifting they do cover not only the store but entrance and exit to restrooms.  As a rule this is because there are signs outside of restrooms saying don't take stuff inside.  I would bet there is a vid of both you and the kid going in and out of the restroom.

    Just as an aside I go to the gym/rec center at FSU; and rent a locker in the restricted faculty locker room.  Last year I exited the sauna/swimming pool area and undressed in the locker room and took a shower.  When I walked around the corner to get to my locker there was a man with three kids, one of which was a girl maybe 5-6 years old.  Since my towel was in my locked locker the girl was standing in front of it there was no avoiding the obvious.

    Turns out the man was an oriental and not supposed to be in the locker room since he did not have a locker there.  I was totally at a loss as to what to do next.  There was no way I could get to my locker and clothes unless he moved and he insisted that he had every right to be there since he was a faculty member even if he did not have a locker.  He was also adamant that in his culture adult nudity in front of children was acceptable.

    I would be interested in the race/culture of the parties involved in your incident.  A lot of what I will call uptight white American culture is viewed as quite silly in many other places out side the US.  When I was racing in windsurfing events out side the US nudity was quite common in Europe and SA.

    Not trying to justify what happened to you (and think you should have contacted the store manager at the time it happened) but it may well have been cultural shock.


    Uhhhhhhhhh (5.00 / 5) (#157)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 09:04:39 PM EST
    People are not "oriental" (none / 0) (#171)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 at 12:37:47 PM EST
    I believe you meant he was Asian.

    And yes, he was correct that adult nudity in front of children is acceptable. At least it is in Japan. I lived there over three years. Japanese have communal bathing. Adults and children.


    Saw Green Book. Cannot understand why the (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 01:26:53 AM EST
    the actor playing Don Shirley was categorized by the Academy as a "supporting" actor. Ridiculous.

    Detroit Free Press (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 07:45:06 PM EST
    Questions come to mind: How is the pianist the supporting character in this story? And why would you want to tell this story this way?

    The answer to the first question is actually very simple. The black character is seen as the object of the story rather than the subject of the story.

    What I mean is the Black character is a part of the narrative -- sometimes a crucial element -- but not the center of that narrative. In spite of the obvious, "Green Book" isn't about the pianist.

    This makes more sense when you realize the film was based on Tony's journals. Therefore, it's Tony's narration of their shared trip experiences. So you could argue the source material dictated the shape of the narrative ... But there's a wrinkle in that argument. The screenwriters, including director Peter Farrelly, never made any effort to contact Shirley's family and find out if there was any documentation that captured his perspective on the experience.

    So then there's my second question: Why would you want to do it this way? Why wouldn't you want to uncover Shirley's point of view?

    This is more fundamental. It's a decision made at the beginning of the process. To tell a story of a black character's struggles the audience must observe their suffering through the eyes of a white onlooker. "Imitation of Life," "To Kill A Mockingbird," "Cry Freedom," "Losing Isaiah," "The Blindside," "The Help" and "Green Book" all share the same perspective black pain: The audience sees black people, black pain. through the eyes of a white counterpart who is somehow transformed by the experience. It's as if the pain isn't real unless a white person is moved by it.

    That's entertainment.

    Supporting Actor (none / 0) (#169)
    by BGinCA on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 09:26:38 PM EST
    The answer is usually more mundane. The studio decides which category to campaign for. In this case they decided (correctly) that Ali was more likely to win Supporting Actor Oscar.

    You don't like it... (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 10:41:17 AM EST
    ...keep on walkin `........

    I LOVE this

    I have to say, (none / 0) (#166)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 12:08:48 PM EST
    As I have gotten old, I am less and less inclined to suffer fools gladly, and much more inclined to let people know (not just strangers, but acquaintances as well) what I think.

    I try to be relatively polite, not nasty, but still, firm.  At this point in my life, if people I know take offense at being called out (however politely) and go off in a snit, no big loss, as far as I'm concerned.

    I have some former, well, not close friends, but friendly acquaintances, I no longer deal with except in a very formal manner, only if I have to.  And this is because I pointed out to them the major problems with Trump, whom they still adore.


    Same here (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 04:28:31 PM EST
    Never suffered fools gladly.  Now not at all.

    Wrongfully convicted man gets $21 million (none / 0) (#1)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 09:56:51 PM EST
    in a federal settlement...
    Simi Valley announced Saturday it would settle a federal lawsuit, giving Coley $21 million for his almost four decades of wrongful incarceration in the 1978 murders of Rhonda Wicht and her 4-year-old son, Donald. Thirty-nine years is the longest prison term overturned in California, the city says.

    Apparently, DNA evidence set him free. I find it interesting how some wrongfully convicted people get nice settlements while others don't.  

    The vagaries of state law, coupled with (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 10:32:57 PM EST
    the many bizarre and arbitrary roadblocks erected by the Supreme Court to successful civil rights litigation arising out of criminal cases, do lead to unpredictable results in terms of compensation. I have had two exoneration cases in my practice. In one, my client got a $3 million+ settlement after suing (DNA vindication). In the other, equally unfair case, the client got zero in compensation for 20 years of wrongful imprisonment for a "murder" in what was actually an accidental fire.

    Why was the latter client unable to obtain (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 11:22:27 PM EST
    money damages?

    Thank you Peter for (none / 0) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 09:07:17 PM EST
    Doing what you do and can. No matter how goofy life gets I've still never been wrongfully imprisoned for 20 yrs.

    Great movies (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 11:56:09 PM EST
    Coming in the next couple of months

    US from Jordon Peel (Get Out) Next month

    The two in May
    BRIGHTBURN Which is basically exactly the story of Superman if Superman was the monster in a horror movie

    MA which finally gives Octavia Spencer a lead role

    Oops (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 11:58:30 PM EST
    Sometimes the Good Guys Win (none / 0) (#5)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 01:17:00 PM EST
    U.S. Cyber Command operation disrupted Internet access of Russian troll factory on day of 2018 midterms
    The operation was part of a broader government effort to safeguard the 2018 elections, involving the departments of Homeland Security, State and Justice, as well as the FBI. It was led by Gen. Paul Nakasone, who in July formed the Russia Small Group, made up of 75 to 80 personnel from CyberCom and NSA, which are part of the Defense Department.

    Trump's former (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 03:28:36 PM EST
    attorney, Michael Cohen, was disbarred in the state of New York. The action by a panel of State Appellate Division judges, was, essentially, automatic after conviction of a federal felony---lying to Congress which is analogous to a state crime of offering a false instrument for official filing.

    This makes two.  Trump's sings high praise for number one, Roy Cohn, who was also disbarred in New York.

    When Trump heard (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 10:12:50 PM EST
    That Cohen was disbarred, he said, "It won't happen to me.  I don't drink."

    Thing seem to be getting weird (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 03:52:33 PM EST

    President Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen is expected to present evidence of alleged "criminal conduct" by Trump during his time as president to the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday that was "stumbled across ... within the last 48 hours," a source familiar with Cohen's testimony told Axios.

    Really, "stumbled across" in the last 48 hours.



    Buckle up (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 03:57:50 PM EST
    Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) drew heavy fire on social media Tuesday for a controversial tweet regarding Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony that some are calling witness tampering and/or witness intimidation.

    "Hey @MichaelCohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she'll remain faithful when you're in prison...she's about to learn a lot," he tweeted.

    Pure (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:08:12 PM EST

    Legal? (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:09:33 PM EST
    Not a lawyer don't play one here but ......

    If nothing else (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:24:09 PM EST
    A sitting member of the House saying this about someone testifying before multiple House committees might be something the Speaker would have something to say about.

    Part 2 (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:08:22 PM EST
    RNC preparing a `war room' to counter explosive testimony from its former deputy finance chair Michael Cohen
    Republican National Committee is already working to undermine Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony -- and plans on using a tactic they used before to achieve that end.

    Fox News reported Tuesday that the GOP is preparing its "war room" to counter Cohen's Capitol Hill testimony tomorrow.

    That room, the RNC told Fox, is going to be similar to what they used when former FBI Director James Comey testified before Congress last year.

    The committee's biggest message to Cohen, who formerly acted as the RNC's deputy finance chairman: "Have fun in prison!"

    Yes, (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:34:47 PM EST
    the Republicans will make stand against lying.  Lying is bad. And, you can' t believe Cohen even if he is attempting to get a post-sentencing reduction of his three-year sentence and knows he had better be telling the truth or experience something like the Manafort treatment.

    I am looking forward to Cohen's clarification of the BuzzFeed reporting that fueled impeachment talk until cooled by Mueller's rare and curious press response---"descriptions of specific statements of SCO and characterizations of documents and testimony are not accurate."


    I think they are worried (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:38:31 PM EST
    About what he could say about his term as finance co-chair.

    During the very time all that Russian money was flowing


    They point out that he's a liar, (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 11:25:15 AM EST
    ...so his testimony can't be believed.

    But they surely won't want to address the content of the lies Cohen has admitted to telling Congress, because that path leads to implicating Drumpf.


    "Have fun in prison!" (none / 0) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:29:58 AM EST
    They can recycle that for Ivanka, Donny Jr., Jared, et al.

    I want Cohen to assert the attorney-client (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 09:23:22 PM EST
    privilege when they start asking him questions, so the chair has to explain the "crime-fraud exception" as he overrules the privilege claim and clears Cohen to testify.

    Talking heads saying (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ragebot on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:28:15 AM EST
    the question democrats are afraid to ask Cohen is how many times did you pay off women involved with Trump; and when did you pay them.  Theory is while the last two are well known it has happened multiple times before.  In fact Cohen was well versed in paying off women Trump was involved with for a long period of time before Trump was a candidate.

    Seems to be a real defense that the women were paid off not for political reasons but to spare Trump embarrassment; and not something that would run afoul of political contribution laws.


    You need (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 10:43:42 AM EST
    to stop paying attention to those "talking heads," if what you are saying is any example of what they are saying.

    Why exactly (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:58:09 AM EST
    Do you imagine they would be afraid to ask that?

    "Afraid" - heh, heh, heh ... (none / 0) (#111)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 10:32:34 AM EST
    Why would they be afraid?  First of all, if there was evidence of other women being paid and it's exculpatory (as wingers love to claim), Republicans would simply ask the question - are they "afraid"?  The two women who he paid off had affairs with him a full decade before the election, yet he (and his buddy at AMI) only paid them off within weeks of the election.  Not to mention his attorney already admitted to felony campaign violations (and Trump is named in the indictment as a conspirator).

    But keep grasping at straws.  It's fun to watch.


    I really hope (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 05:14:35 PM EST
    Cohen delivers on Trump tomorrow. I have to work so I won't find out what happened until the afternoon.

    Don't Forget, We Know Cohen... (none / 0) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 09:06:07 AM EST
     ...has recorded conversations with Trump.  It's just a matter of how often and which ones.  But the fact that he recorded them, means he knew he might need protection in the future, so I would think he recorded some very interesting conversations.

    Here (none / 0) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 05:50:35 AM EST
    is Cohen's prepared statement.
    He is a racist.
    He is a conman.
    He is a cheat.
    He was a presidential candidate who knew that Roger Stone was talking
    with Julian Assange about a WikiLeaks drop of Democratic National
    Committee emails
    . Plenty more

    It said (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 07:54:27 AM EST
    Bringing alternative entertainment would be wise because Jimmy (no jacket ever) Jeffords and his wing men will try every thing they possibly can to shut it down.  They will not but they will be able to delay and delay and delay.

    It sounds like this could go late.

    Me, I'm binging THE UMBRELLA ACADEMY on NETFLIX.  Which is great.


    I enjoyed Umbrella Academy (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CST on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 10:03:21 AM EST
    Its not earth shattering but it was entertaining,  which is about what I'm looking for from TV these days.  Although my friend described it as "angsty x-men" and it's hard to argue with that.

    Something else (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 10:11:25 AM EST
    That would get the same review is MINDHUNTER

    I tried it because I really like David Fincher

    One bit, Hazel (I think that's his name in TUA) is also in MINDHUNTERS in a much more interesting role as a helpful and talkative serial killer


    Mindhunter was Awesome... (none / 0) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 12:22:14 PM EST
    ... waiting on the new season.  The guy who played Ed Kemper, Cameron Britton, was Hazel in The Umbrella Academy.  That guy is pretty distinctive in appearance and his voice.

    I liked the Umbrella Academy as well, but I was not impressed with True Detective.  It had it's moments.

    Romanoffs on Amazon started so strong and then kind of fizzled. I have been checking out the Australian and New Zealand TV shows.  Rake was really good and for some reason I watched all 5 seasons of Outrageous Fortune. At this point, longevity grabs me quicker than quality.


    There is great stuff coming on (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 03:25:52 PM EST
    Netflix.  New season on Stranger Things.


    Love Dearh and Robits

    The Order

    more I forgot I'm sure.

    Kingdom and Haunting of Hillhouse are great.

    I liked the odd The Roman Empire


    More David Fincher (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 03:28:51 PM EST
    Best trailer ever



    One other Netflix thing I liked (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 04:44:07 PM EST
    Stanger Things Second Season Wasn't Very Good... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 03:59:50 PM EST
    ... first season blew my mind, like the Matrix once the mystery is revealed there isn't much room to grow.  I can't remember now, but there was a huge hole in season2.

    Are you waiting on GoT ?  I fought it for years, then last year I sat down and watched all the seasons in the span of about a month.  I need to watch the last season to refresh.  I am not nuts over it, but it's about the best series out there.

    I can't stop watching High Maintenance just because it's so relatable.  Like watching my neighbors.  Bill Hader was one of my most favorite SNL cast so I really like the show Barry.

    With the binging, I can't stand waiting for a new episode.  I forget all the context and conflict.


    I am a Thronie (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 04:02:18 PM EST
    To the core.  Like you I resisted for a while.  I think I did the start to finish binge in about season 4

    I am just as excited about the new (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 04:04:36 PM EST
    Season of American Gods.  And the new HBO series Watchmen that will probably replace GOT in that Sunday time slot.

    I rewatched seasons 3 and 4 (none / 0) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:24:08 PM EST
    Over the past week.

    It's (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:58:16 AM EST
    Jim Jordan.  Also known as Gym Jordan, of wrestling coach fame.

    HA! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 10:58:08 AM EST

    Jess Dweck

     It's a refreshing change to see Jim Jordan abuse an adult

    10:12 AM - Feb 27, 2019

    Annnnnnd (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 09:01:56 AM EST
    We'er off!

    TGIF (none / 0) (#105)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 08:49:57 PM EST
    Behind The Curve (none / 0) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 08:57:57 AM EST
    Sorry if this has been discussed, but I watched something on Netflix last night about the flat Earthers.

    Pretty much what you would expect, but what I found interesting, like really interesting is that it gives you an insight into how a lot of people can be logically talked into believing something that is demonstrably false.  From Global Warming to Trump to religion, very similar in how the get over obstacles like reality & the truth.

    At the core its a lot of people who are outside of society coming together and believe in something with other people who have been pushed aside.  I think the unity/camaraderie of it all is most appealing to these folks and believing the ridiculous is just a byproduct to get into the 'club'.  They are proud to believe in something the mainstream thinks is ridiculous.

    In this case the 'club' has convinced themselves that we are all in Truman-esque type Hollywood set, where our reality is controlled.  Of course they never get into the details, like who controls it and why or who paid for it, it's just assumed, I think.  There aren't many new comers to this group, for the most part these are people who spend their lives 'proving' conspiracies.

    And while I won't reveal the ending, it is a really good one.
    Behind The Curve

    A Venn diagram (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 09:00:27 AM EST
    Of flat earthers and Trump supporters would be interesting.

    A Circle on Top a Circle... (none / 0) (#30)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 09:13:10 AM EST
    ... would not be interesting.  Trust me, these are Trump folks to the core, doesn't Trump think there is a deep state conspiracy against him ?

    Name a government conspiracy held by the left, JFK or 9/11.  Maybe, but it's the right that loves to think science and the media are brainwashing us.


    There's actually been (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 09:19:46 AM EST
    A lot written on the subject of the psychology of Trump supporters

    If you look you will be entertained.  


    Entertained...then saddened (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 11:02:29 AM EST
    From what I've read, Drumpfsters feel an existential threat; some of them use the term, "white genocide".   They use "genocide" to mean something more like the extinction of a lifestyle - they fear that their lives will leave no mark upon this world, and they will soon be forgotten or considered worthless.

    No wonder they double-down on the fact-free symbolism.  They need it to support belief that their lives have worth.

    I've seen comments about how the disdain that "libs" exhibit has created this political rage in Drumpf followers.  

    But there is hope: This past weekend, I saw a t-shirt, "[DRUMPF] 2020 - F[*] YOUR FEELINGS!".  
    So, I see that they are trying to motivate their opposition in the same way that many Drumpfsters were motivated....


    And (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 11:05:56 AM EST

    I'll Take One with Just... (none / 0) (#46)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 04:23:13 PM EST
    Every Damn Year
    (smiley face)

    Oprah leaving neverland (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 04:18:43 PM EST
    Oprah Winfrey is set to interview Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the two men accusing Michael Jackson of sexual abuse in the new HBO documentary Leaving Neverland. The interview special, Oprah Winfrey Presents: After Neverland, will air immediately after the two-part film wraps on March 4th at 10 p.m, simultaneously on HBO and Oprah's OWN network.

    Per a statement, the special was "taped before an audience of survivors of sexual abuse and others whose lives have been impacted by it." Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed will also partake in the conversation

    We watched Oprah's interview ... (none / 0) (#149)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:47:04 AM EST
    ... with Robson and Safechuck, and she frankly admits that she's inviting a storm of controversy by believing the two men's allegations. We then watched Part 1 of "Leaving Neverland" last night. It's uncomfortable, to say the least.

    In my estimation, the documentary stands as both an indictment of popular culture and a moment of public reckoning with the cult of celebrity surrounding the late Michael Jackson. We bear uncomfortable witness to our own unfettered adulation of the man, which caused us to suspend our sense of decency and morality regarding his endless parade of young "traveling companions," and his frank admissions that he slept in beds with them.

    None of that should have ever been normalized or excused by us 25-30 years ago, never mind by his apologists today. Shame on us for having rationalized our public infatuation with Jackson to the point where we looked the other way in the face of what would otherwise be egregious and unacceptable conduct, were it committed by any other adult.



    Where did you see (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:49:53 AM EST
    The interview.  I thought it aired tonight on both HBO and Oprah's channel.

    I see (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 05:34:57 PM EST
    Excerpts have been released.  One question I would like to ask is if these two knew each other or met before being interviewed.

    I don't disbelieve them.  I found them horrifyingly credible.  But their stories were so similar as far as what happened if they had not met that alone would add a lot of credibility.

    This may be known.  I have better things to google and don't wish to spend more time in Neverland than it takes to see the doc and interviews.


    According to the film's director, ... (none / 0) (#162)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 04:32:17 AM EST
    ... Safechuck and Robson never met until the end of filming, which -- as you so noted -- renders their respective onscreen testimonials even more believable. The interview with Oprah further bolsters their credibility, more so since she is quite obviously sympathetic to their experience and believes them.

    (We did see the several extensive excerpts from Oprah's interview, and not its entirety, prior to the airing of the film. Re-reading my earlier comment, I obviously didn't make that clear. My bad. My only excuse was that I wrote it at 6:00 a.m. HST, soon after awakening.)

    As to the film's impact upon the late Michael Jackson's iconic status, that remains to be seen. If it prompts other victims to speak their truths in public, the eventual effect on the man's legacy as a pop icon could well be significant.

    L.A. Times music critic Mikael Wood explores that question in his just-posted commentary tonight. "'Leaving Neverland' may not prove Jackson's guilt or innocence," he wrote. "But it demands that we start listening to him as a man, not as an icon."



    This from Variety was interesting (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 05, 2019 at 08:48:12 AM EST
    I had seen this on a couple of right wing sites

    UPDATED: Contrary to a report that apparently originated with British publication The Times, a rep for the BBC tells Variety that the network, and specifically BBC2 Radio, has not banned or dropped Michael Jackson's music in the wake of the blockbuster documentary "Leaving Neverland," which premiered on HBO Sunday night and will begin airing on Britain's Channel 4 on Wednesday.

    "The BBC does not ban artists," the rep said. "We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind," she said, adding that BBC2's playlists focus on new artists and thus music from Jackson, who died of an accidental drug overdose in 2009, does not apply (the most recent posthumous album was released in 2014).

    I'm glad (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 12:13:56 PM EST
    you can watch it because I do not think I can. I can glean enough about what went on by reading what other people are saying about it.

    Part 2 is a gut punch (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:00:54 PM EST
    I got a lump in my throat and I really don't do that.

    This thing is going to change things I things.  Minds I think.
    About Jackson.

    Of of the strange and sad bits there is one where Safechuk is showing the jewelry Jackson gave him. Including his "wedding" ring.  And he comments that his hands are shaking just touching it (they were)  and how he doesn't like looking at the jewelry.  Which is very believable.

    But I was thinking, he still has it.  That's f'ed up.


    Who (none / 0) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 04:44:04 PM EST
    would have  guessed  
    President Trump ordered his chief of staff to grant his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, a top-secret security clearance last year, overruling concerns flagged by intelligence officials and the White House's top lawyer, four people briefed on the matter said.

    Mr. Trump's decision in May so troubled senior administration officials that at least one, the White House chief of staff at the time, John F. Kelly, wrote a contemporaneous internal memo about how he had been "ordered" to give Mr. Kushner the top-secret clearance.

    The White House counsel at the time, Donald F. McGahn II, also wrote an internal memo outlining the concerns that had been raised about Mr. Kushner -- including by the C.I.A. -- and how Mr. McGahn had recommended that he not be given a top-secret clearance.

    here (none / 0) (#58)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 04:44:50 PM EST
    Yes, and (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 28, 2019 at 05:59:54 PM EST
    we're already getting the sternly worded letter from the GOP.

    MANIAC (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 09:09:55 AM EST
    On NETFLIX.  This is a good one.  Great cast. Not even going to attempt a description.

    leave that to this review which does a pretty good job.

    Anyone else (none / 0) (#66)
    by CST on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 09:29:29 AM EST
    Not super thrilled with the candidates so far?  I guess I'm hoping we get some great governors in the race or something.  None of the current candidates really  "do it for me ", although I could live with them I guess.   Senators rarely make great candidates,  IMO, and Congressmen are just lightweight Senators in that regard.

    Jay Inslee, (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:04:12 AM EST
    governor of Washington state, has entered the race.  He was a US congressman for 15 years and governor-- elected to two terms.  Gov Ainsley is a climate advocate, and has a liberal record..  He is 68 years old so may not meet the criterion of some for "the younger generation", but an experienced hand may be needed.

    I was hoping (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:24:18 AM EST
    we would have more governors running but I also know we don't have that many to run as many of them were wiped out in 2010.

    "As your governor, I have long harbored many dreams and aspirations for this Land of Aloha and its people. And one day, I hope to tell you what they are. Mahalo."

    With Gov. David Ige, I daresay I've never met a more bland and uninspired politician in my life.



    I think the nominee (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:40:43 AM EST
    Could easily end up being someone not even on the radar now.
    Inslee is a good example.  There's the former astronaut Gabby Gifford's husband (I can't recall his name  :)

    There's Beto.  If there is a lot of talk like CSTs comment, which I totally agree with, he could jump in.

    It's a long road.


    Beto (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CST on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:17:15 AM EST
    Strikes me as a lightweight, albeit one with Charisma and national name recognition. See my earlier comment about Congressmen.

    Maybe I'm just being too picky.


    How would BHO (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:24:24 AM EST
    have struck you at this time in 2015?

    Jus sayin


    Oops (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:25:47 AM EST
    What? 2007

    I'm fixing lunch.  With drinks.


    Well (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:40:53 AM EST
    he at least had won statewide in IL.

    LOL! Yeah, he did. (none / 0) (#128)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 06:17:40 AM EST
    But that really wasn't much of a race against batsh*t crazy Alan Keyes, was it? His original GOP opponent, retired Goldman Sachs investment banker Jack Ryan, blew himself up in a messy scandal involving his ex-wife, voyeurism and sex clubs. Ryan was only trailing Obama by 8 points in the most recent Chicago Sun-Times poll when his divorce records in California were unsealed and the roof subsequently caved in on his political aspirations. Of course, those were the days when a Republican candidate could be embarrassed easily.

    I wonder what Ryan thinks of Trump?


    Gosh (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 01:20:30 PM EST
    so much has happened since then I had completely forgotten about all that. And yes, Alan Keyes was not great competition for sure.

    The odds of Ryan winning were... (none / 0) (#137)
    by desertswine on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 03:34:56 PM EST
    Oh.. I don't know...maybe Seven of Nine?

    Beto (none / 0) (#106)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 08:53:21 PM EST
    acts strong, but Putin would destroy him.  Money and power!!!

    Not sure why you would assume that (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 11:13:09 AM EST
    I disagree.  In any case Beto is said to have "made his decision and will announce it soon"

    Which makes it hard to believe anything but that he is in.

    Personally I would be happy to see him in the top slot but I think VP is more likely.  

    There's all kinds of rumors about "teams".  Like Harris/Beto.  Just heard Biden/Beto which I think would be stupid and will never happen.  For all kinds of reasons.

    It really amazes me how much the bobble heads seem to want Biden.  It's almost like they are getting paid to do it.


    I just heard something (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 11:17:44 AM EST
    I don't think I knew.

    That by 2020 millennials will be the biggest voting block in the country.

    Just heard a dumb talking head say that was good for Biden because they feel "comfortable" with him.

    What idiots.


    The Chuck Todds of the world (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 12:10:31 PM EST
    will be pushing Biden, since he validates their past two years of interviewing MI, PA, IA, WI Trump voters in diners: They were "economically anxious," and so, Biden is their Scranton blue collar guy.  And, they believe that Joe will be center right--none of this AOC scary stuff. It may not be entirely true, but it is coin of their realm.

    Biden's excuse for complimenting Pence was that it was in a "foreign policy context."  Really? His concern that Biden was greeted with silence when bringing greetings from "the 45th president of the US," to our Trump-battered allies did not recognize Pence's decency? That's a context of delusion.

    Biden, at the same meeting in Omaha, also referred to Pompeo "as a good guy".  Another, quieter, but no less anti-gay Trump official.

    Also, Biden's "Pence is a decent guy" goes deeper than his tin ear on Pence's (and Mother's) anti-gay beliefs and actions. He plays into the Todd's longing for bipartisan ship and nostalgia (however false) of past kumbaya.  A bipartisanship that means Democrats should give Republicans what they want, and never be mean to them.

    But, Biden has lost touch with what the Republican party is: replacements for Michael Cohen as Trump fixers. It is the party of Clay Higgins, Matt Gaetz, Gym Jordan, Mark Meadows, Alex Acosta, and, of course, Mitch McConnell.  And, as Michael Cohen told the Republicans, which seems to have escaped Biden, "I did the same thing you're doing now."  Listen up Joe.


    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 12:31:30 PM EST
    with all this. And if Biden did not learn that the whole kumbaya shtick didn't work as Obama's VP then there is no teaching him. I don't think anybody least of all me wants to go down the whole post partisan unity shtick route for another 8 years.

    Then we have the whole Russia issue. The press tends to ignore this because they were part of the problem but I can just see Trump yelling over and over at Biden why didn't you do or say something since you were VP at the time. Same thing goes for Bernie since he was aided by Russian active measures. Still taking out those two there are plenty of candidates who do not have that issue thankfully.


    Correction: (none / 0) (#117)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 12:16:02 PM EST
    Paragraph #2, second line:  ..His concern that Pence was greeted with silence...

    I knew (1.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 12:26:41 PM EST
    that about millennials but had forgotten it. The fact that the pundits are pushing Biden makes me look even less favorable on him.

    I agree (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:54:56 AM EST
    all the ones who are getting the attention now could flame out before 2020.

    Gifford's husband is running for the senate in AZ though not for president.

    Beto if he runs mostly does damage to Bernie. I would be surprised if he got the nomination though he likely could be VP candidate.


    My bad (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:57:27 AM EST
    You are correct about wahtshisname

    I disagree about Beto.  I think Beto will be president.  Whenever.  I seriously think he is RFK reanimated.  I think it's early for him.  Guess who else was early and had a funny name.


    Beto (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:14:27 AM EST
    well may be president one day but I have my doubts about 2020. He's going to have to overcome not taking out Cruz in an blue wave. Does the party want another helping of what Armando calls post partisan unity shtick? Because if they do IMO Booker does that better.

    Booker (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:26:25 AM EST
    Is a dead end



    PS (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:47:35 AM EST
    Im personally ok with 68.  Which happens to be my age in nov.

    And I really think making climate your issue could work.


    I have liked (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:05:31 AM EST
    Inslee for a long while---his vote to ban assault weapons (cost him re-election), his early efforts on climate and environment, his disdain for Bush/Cheney and opposition to their Iraq war, and his outspokenness on Trump.

    He has a successful lege and administrative record, but his drawbacks include things that may not work for a presidential candidate ---- nerdy, wonkish, pizzaz -challenged.  Unless, the time has arrived where competence beats show biz, not to mention criminality.


    You know what Dan (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:07:24 AM EST
    I actually think Donald May have ushered in that very time

    Inslee offers (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:43:28 AM EST
    a new National face but provides an old hand for governance. The vice presidential running mate could be Stacey Abrams.

    The stakes are so high that this not the time to try out someone like Mayor Pete of South Bend for our presidential candidate despite his sterling qualifications,  The vice presidential candidate might be the spot for that younger generational criterion.

    I should be clear that I am not advocating for Inslee to the exclusion of the other candidates, declared or not,
    Too early, and I am still in the any Democrat camp, but this seems the type of ticket that deserves consideration.


    I think Mayor (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:07:15 PM EST
    Pete is pretty awesome and he has a great future. However I am with you on the whole presidential thing. I would like someone less green.

    Competence over show biz? (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:16:26 AM EST
    That sounds like heaven to me.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 10:26:11 AM EST
    one of them will catch fire but I generally agree with what you are saying w/r/t senators. I was hoping Bulloch of MT would run but I believe he has said no.

    Andrew Yang... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:53:07 AM EST
    has my attention, digging what I've heard/read about his policy ideas so far. Gonna check out his book...anyone read it?



    Andrew Yang (none / 0) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 12:23:46 PM EST
    deserves attention----an impressive educational and business record.  And, from an accomplished family.  Importantly, he offers very progressive ideas. Have not read his books.  Being in his early forties, he probably should try for an elected office such as governor or senator.  As for president, he may be in the category of Mayor Pete.  And, he would certainly be someone a Democratic President should want as a cabinet member---such as Sec of Labor.

    An entreprenuer (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:03:46 PM EST
    like Yang certainly can make things like UBI palatable to the masses.

    Yes, Yang (none / 0) (#92)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:22:53 PM EST
    could become the Frances Perkins of the 21st Century.  All we need is to have a Democratic Administration, like that of FDR.

    For a non-politician... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:35:25 PM EST
    Hes got the spin thing down cold if you read his website policy page...he makes what pundits call radical sound like common sense...which it is, imo, common sense.

    Why not him in the big chair and seasoned pols in the cabinet to help him navigate the dirty business of making sausage in the swamp?


    Because (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    as we're seeing now with Trump that sort of thing never ends well for anybody.

    It's laughable... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 01:51:03 PM EST
    to hold Trump against the entire talent pool in the private sector...Trump is not a disaster because he had no experience, he is a disaster because he's a sc*mbag.  

    We'd be worse off if Trump had some experience, not better.


    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 02:21:11 PM EST
    it's the same story that we were told with Obama and Bush also. So it's not just something that only applies to Trump but he is one example. And it's not about the private sector. It's about experience. If you have to get someone else to do all the work for you then maybe you don't need to be in the job is my way of thinking. If he has a wheelhouse that is his specialty then that's great for a cabinet appointment. Presidents need to be more well rounded IMO.

    WaPo's editor's note about (none / 0) (#103)
    by McBain on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 08:10:04 PM EST
    it's coverage of the Nick Sandmann/Covington incident...
    A Washington Post article first posted online on Jan. 19 reported on a Jan. 18 incident at the Lincoln Memorial. Subsequent reporting, a student's statement and additional video allow for a more complete assessment of what occurred, either contradicting or failing to confirm accounts provided in that story -- including that Native American activist Nathan Phillips was prevented by one student from moving on, that his group had been taunted by the students in the lead-up to the encounter, and that the students were trying to instigate a conflict.

    I doubt this is going to change anyone's opinion but at least it's something.  

    That statement sounds to me like (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Peter G on Fri Mar 01, 2019 at 11:03:51 PM EST
    part of a legal settlement of that defamation suit.

    Dump late on Friday (none / 0) (#109)
    by ragebot on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 08:50:15 AM EST
    is the typical way to hide something you don't want to get out but are forced to get it out.

    Kentucky law seems to only require WAPO should have known what it published is wrong; nothing about malice.  Still think the most likely outcome is an undisclosed settlement.


    Fortunately (3.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 11:55:02 AM EST
    ...no one cares about that moronic kid.

    Hey hey (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 01:12:59 PM EST
    go easy on moronic kids.

    I spent years as a moronic kid. It's no picnic, lemme tell you.


    Probably not a good idea (none / 0) (#120)
    by McBain on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 01:08:39 PM EST
    to say stupid things like that when his legal team is filing lawsuits and asking for retractions from various people in the media.

    "Filing lawsuits" - heh (none / 0) (#130)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 07:45:31 AM EST
    You know how many meritless lawsuits are filed every day?  To be fair, his buddies seemed more moronic than him, but the fact that his legal team is filing suits is a joke.

    If Kentucky law does not require proof (none / 0) (#126)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 08:57:49 PM EST
    of "malice" as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court, then its defamation law is unconstitutional, and no verdict for the plaintiff could be upheld. So that would be good news for WaPo.

    Some suggest Sandmann's (none / 0) (#110)
    by McBain on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 09:39:36 AM EST
    lawyers made a "rookie mistake" by filing their lawsuit too soon...
    The punitive damages, however, may be a problem due to a requirement under Kentucky law to give sufficient notice in libel cases. The statute, KRS 411.051, says that in order to collect punitive damages, a plaintiff has to show that the defendant "failed to make conspicuous and timely publication of a correction after receiving a sufficient demand for correction." The law specifies that a "timely" correction has to be within 10 business days after receiving a demand for one.

    Sandmann's complaint, which was filed and dated Feb. 19, 2019, says that his counsel send a demand for a retraction on Feb. 14. That's just five days before they filed the lawsuit, which appears to be an insufficient amount of time.

    Andre Previn passes.... (none / 0) (#108)
    by desertswine on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 12:55:12 AM EST
    certainly a musician for all seasons.

    André Previn, who blurred the boundaries between jazz, pop and classical music -- and between composing, conducting and performing -- in an extraordinarily eclectic, award-filled career, died on Thursday at his home in Manhattan. He was 89.

    Going to the funeral (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 11:14:19 AM EST
    Of a classmate in an hour.  Sort of brings mortality home.

    Condolences (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 01:14:46 PM EST
    and I know what you mean

    Thanks, just home (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    We were not particularly close or anything.  Tho we did have a sort of complex and interesting history.  Story for another time perhaps.
    But the FUNERAL Was a freak show

    His brother, one year older than us, is one of those non-denominational asshats.  The ones where the women ware long dresses and can't cut their hair and the men are mostly bikers. I swear.  Not making that up.

    Anyway, his brother hated Mike because he was a bit of a hell raiser and had various substance abuse problems so he refused to either pay for the funeral or let other family members pay for it. I guess he just wanted him tossed in a ditch.
    So, the classmates pitched in and paid for it.  Brother did NOT like that.  Showed up in the middle and made and ugly and unbelievably awkward scene and had to be evicted.  He actually had a gun.  No shi+.

    Anyway, I'm currently trying to blot or the entire experience with vodka.


    Jesus, I don't blame you (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 02:45:07 PM EST
    sounds like a scene from a southern gothic miniseries.

    Though that kind of grotesque family melodrama stuff goes on in more places than people care to admit.


    Yeah, (none / 0) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 02, 2019 at 06:39:45 PM EST
    it is kind of like a southern gothic thing but as far as what Howdy tells there is no crazy aunt who came screaming down the aisle only a brother pitching a fit.

    We don't have the long skirts and biker evangelicals here in GA that i have seen. We have the ones that look like they are frozen in the 1950's.


    For that matter, so can weddings, birthdays, reunions, baby christenings, Thanksgivings and the Christmas holidays. For many people, family get-togethers are just another day in Dysfunction Junction, and something to be dreaded and endured.

    It's weird (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 10:22:43 AM EST
    In the last few months I have attended the best IMO funeral I have ever attended, (since the aids plague in the 80s-90s) no preacher, no preaching, no singing just stories and yesterday will take the prize for the worst.

    Last night I spoke to a couple of classmates, I'm very pleased with the way we have come back together - most of us still live here - we were a great class.  We were all friends.  No bullies.  No asshats no stupid fu@ks.  They were before and after us.
    Anyway, I learned several avoided it because they expected what happened.


    About 10 years ago, a good friend ... (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 04:21:17 AM EST
    ... and former co-worker who was suffering from terminal ovarian cancer actually planned her own wake in rather meticulous detail during her final months, and got every one of us to promise her that we would honor her wishes, which of course we did. She always knew how to throw a great party, and her send-off was no exception.

    Watching Jay Inslee on THIS WEEK (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 03, 2019 at 09:05:55 AM EST
    He's pretty good.

    On Rachel (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:22:33 AM EST

    The banner has since changed (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 04:00:21 PM EST
    To Nader.  Maybe both?

    The first part of (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:22:13 AM EST
    LEAVING NEVERLAND was brutal.

    A review I read described it as exhaustingly horrifying

    Can't top that.  The second half is said to be worse.  Next Sunday.

    My bad (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:26:26 AM EST
    TONIGHT. followed by the Oprah interview.

    Excellent (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 10:30:59 AM EST
    Have fun in jail Roger (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 at 05:42:02 PM EST