Trump Wanted to Invade Venezuela

Donald Trump pressed his aides on why the U.S. couldn't just invade Venezuela. He also floated the idea to leaders of Latin and South American countries, like Juan Manuel Santos, the President of Colombia.

He raised it again at a dinner, and even told the foreign leaders his staff said he shouldn't talk about it:

Then in September, on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, Trump discussed it again, this time at greater length, in a private dinner with leaders from four Latin American allies that included Santos, the same three people said and Politico reported in February. The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” Trump then went around asking each leader if they were sure they didn’t want a military solution, according to the official, who added that each leader told Trump in clear terms they were sure.

Will America survive a reality TV star with zero political experience who knows nothing about history and is viewed around the world as an unpredictable petulant child to be snickered at and swatted away like a fly? Probably, but we'll never be the same. In one and half years, the idea of America as the beacon of liberty in the world has become a joke.

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    Actually as I make plans (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by smott on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 09:55:44 AM EST
    To move to Canada, it's feeling more and more like fleeing Nazi Germany for...Poland.

    I do like Godwin's (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 07:02:00 PM EST
    law most of the time, but I was watching the History Channel on the rise of Hitler the other day, and pre-1939, there are some very eerie similarities.

    I hate to be an "I told you so" but (none / 0) (#57)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 10:23:19 PM EST
    I told you so!!! I have been pushing folks to read up on German political history from 1932 on. The Nazi rise to power was slow and deliberate. And planned.

    He is absolutely following (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 09, 2018 at 07:15:59 AM EST
    The play book "a slide into totalitarianism for dummies"

    Attack and discredit all institutions and seats of power except your own

    Attack and discredit the press

    Use propaganda to undermine the idea of objective truth.

    Divide people and find subgroups to demonize and blame for every problem.

    There is nothing new under the sun.  And definitely not under Trumps "hair"

    It's said one book he has read is Hitler's Diaries.  I would bet that's not the only thing about  Hitler's life he has studied.


    Ok thanks. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 10:35:30 AM EST
    You made me laugh today.

    But the insight is reasonable.


    If only (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by smott on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 11:22:21 AM EST
    It were less apropos!...

    site violator (none / 0) (#63)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jul 10, 2018 at 07:24:51 AM EST

    Since they don't play tennis at Wimbledon (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 11:05:43 AM EST
    on the middle Sunday I've been forced to watch the news early, and I don't like it.  Since Trump seems to hate CNN I wonder why he doesn't come down on MSNBC?  They really don't like him either.  

    The Tour de France bicycle race has started.  I love the aerial shots of the castles, especially the ones where the people are all decked out in their jousting outfits awaiting the helicopter arrival.

    The (none / 0) (#1)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 02:57:32 PM EST
    worst part is that he had Tillerson and McMasters to talk him out of it, now we have Pompeo and Bolton, definitely more hawkish IMO.

    Bolton has always had his eye on Tehran, Pompeo is a suck-up but I think both of them see the trouble with military adventurism in this hemisphere.

    It is chilling to see what a itchy trigger finger he has and how he refuses to let the adults guide him. Trying to get the SA leaders to buy into this foolish idea is pure tRump idiocy and they sensibly scoffed at it. I am quite worried about
    what his pals in Russia, Saudi Arabia and Israel will whisper in his ear about attacking Iran.


    As always, look at this (none / 0) (#2)
    by smott on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 03:45:29 PM EST
    From the viewpoint of how it will help Putin.
    Do we think Trump came up w this on his own? I'm no expert on Venezuelan oil production but assume disruption due to US military hostility will boost competitors' prices such as Russia.

    Anyway, we should face facts that Trump may likely bail from NATO, moving towards a new world order aligning the US w Russia and China.

    Things get interesting when Trump invades a NATO country and former allies from the EU have to now mount a military response.
    I imagine Tessa May has her knickers in a twist.

    Is she still inviting Donald to tea this month?

    Bingo (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 07:27:41 PM EST
    MT I'm so interested (none / 0) (#28)
    by smott on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 11:26:48 AM EST
    In your insider's view of the military.
    I really think Trump's court will try to remove him from being bound by rule of law.
    It's a coup of all three branches.

    When Trump begins ordering insane things (and he will) like rounding up journalists or whatever, which way will the military (and local LEOs) jump?

    I sense top ranks like Mattis will object. But some LEOs in red state wherever will eagerly follow Trump's orders, as well agencies such as ICE, CBP, DHS. And sadly, DOJ.

    Can the military save us? Because I'm feeling, with the 5th Fascist/Justice, it's over.


    I don't think the military can save us :( (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 12:57:42 PM EST
    Mattis is already being left out of Trump loop, and God knows he tried everything to stay in it.

    Trump administration now shopping for military personnel who have signed on to Trumpism to run stuff. And there isn't a phucking thing anybody can do about it. Not even Mattis. He can be treated as a figurehead and not much we can do about it.

    If anyone is worried our military will attack Americans for Trump I would say our military will fracture and on our worst day attack each other first.

    For now, Trumpies seek ways to empower folks they are seeking out. It doesn't look good overall.

    I just left someone who as a commander thought Obama was big damn bully. I shrugged, if the United States is going to have this military the commander is going to have to fully command or you get Iraqs. But what do I know? This someone was once a Conservative but thinks they are an Independent now, I don't think so. Never said a discouraging word about Dubya...but everything is Obummers fault now. I smell something a little fishy in Independentville.


    Well (none / 0) (#59)
    by smott on Mon Jul 09, 2018 at 04:21:23 PM EST
    Thanks for this MT (I think!) lol....
    I really am afraid of what will happen when the collapse occurs, Mueller rains down indictments and the DOJ / Congress does .....nothing. And the courts support Trump as he places himself above the law.

    Will the borders be closed? I'm making plans to move to Canada, will I be stopped? My father is not a citizen - what will happen to him?

    All my alarms are going off and my sense is to get Out NOW. My Dad is elderly but has a UK passport and I wonder about getting him back to my cousins in England. Which has its own issues w Brexit and the Russians.

    But I don't see how we get out of this and keep the country together.


    I'm waiting for protesters to shut DC down (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 10, 2018 at 06:02:56 AM EST
    I had to be at John's Hopkins last night with my son for a sleep study or I would have been downtown last night in front of the Court. The moment I learned there was already a protest there though I thought "Please, let it begin!"

    I'm so sorry your family feels so (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 10, 2018 at 06:09:27 AM EST
    Panicked you are contemplating leaving. If my elderly parent was not a US citizen I sure wouldn't feel certain about their long term safety here.

    And from an intelligence perspective (none / 0) (#3)
    by smott on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 03:49:50 PM EST
    What the hell is Five Eyes going to do?
    They're going to be all over Trump's Helsinki tete a tete w Vlad.

    But at what point do they have to tell the US they're no longer welcome as part of the group?   And how would that be done anyway from a diplomatic standpoint?

    It's pretty clear that the other 4 Eyes (UK, Can, Aus and NZ) can no longer trust the US with Trump-related intelligence, isn't it?

    It seems (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 04:28:53 PM EST
    that these allies have been a great help with Mueller and may help us get rid of Trump. After all it was the Austrailians that alerted the FBI about the Trump campaign. So maybe they are just biding their time. They might not have an ally in Trump but they certainly have many allies all across America.

    Yeah I really cannot imagine (none / 0) (#12)
    by smott on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 10:02:14 AM EST
    The End Game.
    Trump will have his 5th Fascist, I mean Justice, on SCOTUS.

    Mueller will rain down subpoenas and criminal indictments.

    The DOJ will say "thanks, we'LL be sure to get right on that." GOP will do nothing.

    I do not see a path to removing Trump. Even if Dems get the House.

    When push comes to shove, Trump has the votes to avoid subpoenas, pardon himself and anyone, and cancel elections/declare Martial Law as necessary to stay in power.

    I think the Republicans made it pretty clear (on Independence Day!) that they will not support rule of law here.


    Re: `5th Fascist' (none / 0) (#19)
    by linea on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 08:13:58 PM EST
    So, these SCOTUS Justices are Fascists?
    • Chief Justice Roberts
    • Justice Thomas
    • Justice Alito
    • Justice Gorsuch

    Very good. Most Americans (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 09:09:26 PM EST
    cannot name a single member of the Supreme Court. You got four!

    Keep that bar (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 09:01:36 AM EST

    Oy (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 10:49:31 PM EST
    I've discovered in the last few years that word has a certain fleeting therapeutic value..

    Why would you pull (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 09:22:52 PM EST
    Those four out of thin air and make such assumptions?

    There are many kinds of cases (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 12:09:16 PM EST
    that come before the Supreme Court where Stephen Breyer (particularly), Sonia Sotomayor and R.B. Ginsburg are more likely to side with government power, over individual claims, than are the right-wing Justices. Elena Kagan sometime also, but less so. This can be true both where Congress or a state legislature has tried to advance a social welfare or social justice goal, or in certain cases of police power.

    Exactly. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 05:22:01 AM EST
    Peter G: "There are many kinds of cases that come before the Supreme Court where Stephen Breyer (particularly), Sonia Sotomayor and R.B. Ginsburg are more likely to side with government power, over individual claims, than are the right-wing Justices."

    Kelo v. City of New London, the dubious 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that authorized local governments to exercise their powers of eminent domain to transfer real property from one private owner to another private owner in order to further economic development, comes immediately to mind.

    I don't know which I found more appalling at the time of the decision -- that Justice John Paul Stevens penned the 5-4 majority opinion with Justices Ruth Bader Ginsberg, David Souter and Stephen Breyer in support, or that I found myself in full agreement with the late Justice Antonin Scalia, in which he vigorously argued that a private use which provides only an ancillary benefit at best to the general public is a very questionable rationale to assert the government's condemnation powers.

    Ironically, after New London, CT went forward with the eminent domain process to separate homeowners from their properties as part of its comprehensive redevelopment plan, the developer who had pressed the city to use its condemnation power then failed to obtain requisite financing for his project, which then faltered and collapsed. I believe that to this very day, all that condemned property on New London's waterfront remains vacant land.



    Gahd... (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 05:03:00 PM EST
    I'd rather have Zippy the Pinhead running our foreign policy.

    Unfortunately (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 06:37:04 PM EST
    this madman is not across the water
    "I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don't have a musical instrument. I don't have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we've broken a lot of records. We've broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don't need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical - the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important."

    I was half-expecting him to say (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 09:33:30 PM EST
    he smashed Elton John's records because he didn't approve of his lifestyle..

    But that would be more a Mike Pence thing.


    Notwithstanding (none / 0) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 05:26:36 AM EST
    Pence, Sir Elton remains an important diplomatic tool for tRump
    the president is reportedly gifting Kim a CD of Elton John's 1972 classic "Rocket Man" -- which Trump himself signed, of course.

    Even the guys at the gym (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 08:59:28 AM EST
    can't stand tangerine little fingers.  They do remain members of the Republican party.  The old Marine just waves his arms and blurts out "crooked Hillary".  The retired Boston criminal defense and civil lawyer just says "now Don, let me explain the answer to what you're trying to say".  It's quite the group since the Italian gym owner is being indicted for putting out a hit on his ex-gf,s boyfriend.  Yep it's Florida.

    Doubt if Trump's (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 11:19:05 AM EST
    attendance at his Montana rally broke any attendance record of Sir Elton John.  That rally looked scanty. And, then there is the idea of "presidential rallies."   While other presidents have given campaign rallies nearer to their own re-elections, Trump has had over 25 rallies since his inauguration.  It seems more fitting for a US president to give an address or a speech, and more customary for a dictator to hold rallies.

    I just saw this (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 07:28:17 PM EST
    History weeps

    Holi phuck (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2018 at 07:30:26 PM EST
    We will never be seen the same way (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 04, 2018 at 05:07:56 PM EST
    By the world.  And who can blame them.

    The one thing I have seen in these stories (none / 0) (#7)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 08:24:29 AM EST
    and what I don't understand, is what was/is Bone Spurs' basis for wanting to invade Venezuela? What has Venezuela done to the US to warrant an invasion? I realize the country is in turmoil (well them and the US), but how does give the US any reason to invade? What's next? Canada starts to consider invading the US, because it is mired knee deep in SH**?

    Helps Russia should be the (none / 0) (#8)
    by smott on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 09:50:06 AM EST
    Default assumption.
    Destabilizes production, raises prices elsewhere, helps Putin's oil biz.

    That wouldn't be too far fetched... (none / 0) (#9)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 09:53:18 AM EST
    It looks like the US is stopping Canadian fishing trawlers in Canadian waters looking for supposed "illegals."

    More likely US invades Canada (none / 0) (#10)
    by smott on Thu Jul 05, 2018 at 09:54:12 AM EST
    We've after all declared them a national security threat. And nobody blinked. That's how norms get changed.
    Canadian fisherman are now being harassed by ICE in Canadian waters.

    Certainly once global warming begins creating refugee and fresh water crises (likely not for decades but) the US will gladly invade Canada for its fresh water, open land and temperate climate.

    Only question is whether Trump finds a reason to do it sooner.


    According to this conspiracy theory (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 04:08:54 PM EST
    Trump has worse things planned than invading countries he doesnt like.  Hillary and Obama are headed for GitMo and lots lots more when the STORM comes.  

    If you want to know just how completely bat sh!t crazy these people are..

    From celebrities to the grassroots, the right is obsessed with the idea there is a secret conspiracy where Hillary is headed for Gitmo. Here's everything you need to know.

    Since Q's "breadcrumbs" are so vague, it's impossible to nail down exactly what the storyline is supposed to be. But the general story, outlined in a pro-QAnon video endorsed by Schilling, is that every president before Trump was a "criminal president" in league with all the nefarious groups of conspiracy theories past: the global banking elite, death squads operating on orders from Hillary Clinton, deep-state intelligence operatives, and Pizzagate-style pedohpile rings. In an effort to break this cabal's grip, according to Q, the military convinced Trump to run for president.

    Now Trump and his allies in the military are poised to arrest all these wrongdoers, shipping many of them off to Guantanamo Bay. That coming purge has been dubbed "The Storm" by QAnon fans, who claim Trump referenced it when he referenced "the calm before the storm" in October.

    While the Storm is at the center of the QAnon narrative, it's also flexible enough to fold in just anything that makes the news. Q is fond of hinting that each mass shooting is a false-flag attack organized by the cabal, and he used a blurry webcam picture of a flash of light near the Puget Sound to claim that the deep state had tried to shoot down Trump's plane.


    I actually (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 05:16:47 PM EST
    know people who believe this junk. Seriously there is going to need to be some hardcore cult deprogramming once Trump is out of office.

    Sure (none / 0) (#33)
    by linea on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 06:19:46 PM EST
    If by `these people' you mean the typical crazy conspiracy nuts who frequent 4chan and 8chan and scour conspiracy forums on the Internet. This is the first I've heard of the `Q' anonymous 4chan poster. There's lots of goofy stuff on the Internet. Some people believe a high-tech civilization of dinosaur-evolved Silurians once existed on earth and scientists are hiding the evidence.

    There are two choices here (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 08:27:14 PM EST
    since you keep mewling about this either you a actually believe that's what I said which means you really are more stupid than you even seem or you are lying you shameless trolling a$$ off.

    Which is it I wonder.

    Oh, and there are lots and lots of things you have not heard of.   Clearly.


    This is a better story (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 07, 2018 at 08:38:46 PM EST

    Over OIG Report
    They believe Trump and Mueller were secretly investigating Democrats and that the Justice Department watchdog would reveal all. Now they think there is a secret, second report.

    Praying Medic," a QAnon proponent who has amassed more than 140,000 followers on YouTube and Twitter, focused on minor formatting details in the report.

    But none of lineas dates know about this so it can't be of any consequence


    Homemade armored truck (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 10:04:10 AM EST
    straight out of a Mad Max movie and the obligatory AR-15. And a head full of byzantine conspiracy theories.

    What could go wrong?


    Huh? (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 01:36:10 PM EST
    What are you arguing? That this particular 4chan conspiracy is widely known and widely followed?

    Pretty sure most Trumpets get their conspiracy theories directly from Sean Hannity on Fox News not from 4chan wankers. I suppose anyone who read the DailyBeast article knows about it and of course a few fringe conspiracy nutters. YouTuber prayingmedic has 88,523 subscribers which is to say it's barely known or followed at all.

    Venus Angelic has 1,740,614 subscribers and I'm pretty sure no one on this forum has met a single person in their entire life who watches her videos. By the way, when selecting a doctor for weight loss surgery, don't ignore the bad reviews.


    Huh? Why are you trolling, Brunhilda? (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    how many unhinged, loose canon, AR-15 armed conspiracy nuts does it take before you get mildly concerned?

    And yes, we know you favor strict firearm regulation, so don't even bother.


    Curt Schilling (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 02:00:30 PM EST
    one of the biggest promulgators of this loony tunes stuff, writes for Breibart, and a woman connected to Project Veritas was giving sympathetic, on-the-scene coverage of the guy in the armored truck.

    They've been slowly mainstreaming this craziness, if anyone hadn't noticed.


    QAnon is probably Russian (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 03:43:24 PM EST
    I was a military spouse among many who received messages on Facebook that were dressed up to look like they were from ISIS members and guess what we know now? That little op was Russia too

    Back to invading Korea I guess (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 06:46:48 AM EST

    Trump's North Korea Policy Just Collapsed

    On Saturday North Korea's Foreign Ministry called just-completed talks with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo "regrettable." They were, the ministry said, "very concerning" because they could lead to a "dangerous phase that might rattle our willingness for denuclearization that had been firm."

    The ministry also complained about America's "gangster-like mindset."

    The statement embarrassed Pompeo, who just hours before issued a sunny assessment of the two-day discussions. There had been, he said, "progress on almost all of the central issues."

    It's (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 08:38:03 AM EST
    all up to Putin now, not only does he own tRump but apparently the entire Republican party
    So, basically, GOP senators went to Moscow on the Fourth of July to see if US companies could make a few bucks off of the president's coming capitulation to Putin. The Republican Party has now completed the trashing of America's bipartisan victory in the Cold War.
    Nothing says patriotism like going to Moscow on Independence day to kiss Putin's ass I guess.

    Forced humiliation if you ask me, no doubt he will be giving tRump marching orders when they meet, and I don't mean  that figuratively.


    Just watching FOX NEWS SUNDAY (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 08:46:21 AM EST
    So you don't have to.

    I was really surprised how strongly both Brit Hume and Jason Chaffetz came down on Trump and his Russia groveling

    No idea what this means if anything but it was surprising


    Out on a limb (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 09:00:40 AM EST
    I think Mueller may subpoena Trump right in the middle of the SC confirmation process.

    You have to admit it be next level  


    Thank you for your service (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 09:55:18 AM EST
    They can't all be crazy over at Fox News. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 03:22:48 PM EST
    I'm sure there are more than a few of them who've at least privately expressed their concerns about their network's editorial direction regarding the burgeoning Trump-Russia scandal and the Special Counsel's investigation thereof. As this story progresses, I look for more of them to start putting some distance between themselves and the potential blast zone.

    After all, they're likely not Hannity-level stupid. They realize that Robert Mueller is certainly no Kenneth Starr, that Trump wouldn't be so viciously defensive if there wasn't anything very serious to hide, and that it's also their own personal and professional credibility which is on the line here, if and when Mueller finally presses the button to blow Trump & Co. into smithereens.



    CNN (none / 0) (#41)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 09:03:34 AM EST
    has been mostly ignoring it, of course it's been wall to wall kids in cages/caves the last week.
    Rudy did crawl out of hiding to promote the newest ridiculous demand of Mueller and double down on his attacks on the whole investigation.

    Maybe if the likes of Fox and Chaffetz are coming to see what has been painfully obvious to many of us for years there is hope, but so far it's just talk.


    Speaking of the kids (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 10:55:08 AM EST
    The rescue is underway.
    The first of the boys trapped in a Thai cave were rescued earlier today, and the mission has been temporarily suspended while teams restock supplies.

    But rescuers have a dwindling window of opportunity, with forecasters predicting the return of heavy monsoon rains in the coming days, effectively sealing off the cave until October.

    Let's hope for more miracles


    Boys and caves don't mix (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 01:38:52 PM EST
    Mark Twain pointed that out.

    Though I believe some boys were the one's who initially discovered those paleolithic caves in France.

    I hope to hell they get them out. You'd think the pr-obsessed Trump would be all over this offering every kind of assistence possible.


    I don't understand how this happened. (none / 0) (#55)
    by linea on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 03:44:09 PM EST
    As I understand it, the twenty-five-year-old coach of the Wild Boars football club, for boys aged 11 to 17 years of age, decided to take his club on an excursion to the local caves. I have no idea whether he had permission from the parents or even whether taking children to visit caves is a common thing in this area.

    Saw that too (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 09:05:53 AM EST
    This will be viral

    Rudy basically said Trump is going to be charged with obstruction.

    Go Rudy


    ABC. (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 09:33:15 AM EST
    I see Elon Musk (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 08, 2018 at 02:16:12 PM EST
    has sent engineers to Thailand to help in the rescue.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:03:08 AM EST
    The bots are BACK

    Be real careful clicking (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:10:00 PM EST
    On that stuff.