Thursday Open Thread

There has been an afternoon or evening storm every day this week. It's even cloudy this morning, most unusual for Denver.

Weather, however, pales by comparison to the gray and troubled skies over this country. The news is so unthinkable it's like we are permanently living in a state of shock and shame. There's a man with a desk in the oval office who is, in my opinion, not fit to be there. He's putting all Americans at risk globally and at home. More and more, I study the benefits of moving and living in a country like Costa Rica, Ecuador, Mexico, Colombia and my latest: Panama (especially now that Trump's name has been stripped from the tower he licensed it to.)

Since I will be spending the day in Court, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I don't share the doom and gloom (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:41:23 AM EST
    feeling about our country but I have thought about retiring somewhere like Costa Rica.  I've heard the quality of life vs. cost of living is favorable there.  Anyone have any first hand knowledge?

    My current location, Silicon Valley, is getting more and more absurd with traffic and high costs. The weather is great and the people are diverse and well educated but I feel like my days here are numbered.  

    So?!?!?! (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 01:44:10 PM EST
    Who cares?

    They have universal healthcare in Costa Rica (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:52:43 AM EST
    So there's that.

    Es Costa Rica has good health care, (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:42:02 PM EST
    and it is available either through the government plan or a private one.  Most friends have both and it depends on your stated income how much they charge.  You must have an income of at least $1000 per month and that then costs about $50 per month per type.  They don't care how much money you have as long as it is the $1000 per month.  The government policy takes a long time to see a doctor while the private is somewhat faster.  It's good to have both for hospital visits.  There are many good clinics throughout CR, but they handle minor problems but do have all the snake bite vaccines...yep lotta biters down there.  The bushmaster snakes will actually chase you.  The velvet slipper snakes are very reclusive, but bite when stepped on.  They are three steppers and bingo you're out for the count.  All my friends keep those two vaccines in their fridges, and take a kit for hikes.  I don't hike down there.

    The entire west coast of CR has many fun and fishy resort areas.  Up north near the Nicaragua border is the town of Cocos and is ok but not my fave.  Just south of there is Flamingo in the state of Guanacaste and is a wonderful vacation and fishing spot, but quite remote.  It's about a two hour drive from the big airport in Liberia or a long five hour drive from San Jose.  Sansa airlines flies into most resorts in small adventure loaded airplanes.  They land on grass strips, and one of their locations has the famous "Third World Cafe".

    Continuing south the next place is Guanamar which was only accessible by boat, but they now have a paved road in.  Lotta howler monkeys at Guanamar.

    Next down is the famous surfing and fishing town of Jaco.  It has everything and is only a two hour drive from San Jose.  There are golf courses, fleets of charter boats, big beautiful grocery stores, great restaurants, Home and Office Depots, nasty bars and more.  Too busy for me.

    Next is Quepos about 45 minutes south of Jaco and is my favorite place.  I kept a fishing boat there for six years but the big offshore Marlin and tuna are too much for me now, so I sold it.  The world famous rain forest Manual Antonio National Park is there with its beautiful beaches and safe tours.  Monkeys follow you around for food and you better feed them or they throw poo at you.  I've been going to Quepos a couple of times a year for over twenty years.  It does get a bit third worldish after about three weeks.  Lotta strange smells.

    The last city in the south is Golfito and has excellent fishing and facilities but is too hot and jungly for me.  It's close to the Panama border.  My suggestion would be to fly in to Liberia, drive the good highway all the way down, fly to San Jose and home.  By then you will know if Costa Rica is for you.  Pura Vida.


    Sorry about the mixed up words (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 06:47:46 PM EST
    in my Costa Rica story. My internet goes in and out continually.  I had written basically the same story twice before and corrected the grammatical mistakes, but by then it got lost in space.  The one I did finally send had not been corrected.

    BTW there are three excellent hospitals in San Jose CR that perform brain, heart, and eye surgery.  A fisherman friend had a brain tumor successfully removed for $7,000 and they wanted more than $50,000 here in the states.  Several friends have also had successful cataract surgery performed in Costa Rica.


    Thanks for the detailed info (none / 0) (#152)
    by McBain on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:10:21 PM EST
    I'm a climate wimp (none / 0) (#103)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 03:33:49 PM EST
    having lived in the pleasant SF bay area most of my life I have a hard time dealing with extreme  heat, humidity and actual winter seasons.

    Not sure how I'd handle being chased by snakes.  Not a big fan of large insects either.    


    There was a good article in (none / 0) (#6)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 12:00:51 PM EST
    National Geographic about Costa Rica and other countries that scored well on some kind of
    quality of life/happiness study.

    Consider Zúñiga, who like many Costa Ricans enjoys the pleasure of living daily life to the fullest in a place that mitigates stress and maximizes joy. Scientists call his type of happiness experienced happiness or positive affect. Surveys measure it by asking people how often they smiled, laughed, or felt joy during the past 24 hours. His country is not only Latin America's happiest; it's also where people report feeling more day-to-day positive emotions than just about any other place in the world.

    I've never been (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 12:33:49 PM EST
    But I've heard nice things.

    If I ever leave Boston it will be for some place with better weather and less traffic.  To be honest, Colorado would probably be near the top of the list, so if that article is accurate it sounds like that might be the right call.


    I agree about... (none / 0) (#53)
    by linea on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:04:43 PM EST
    ... the doom and gloom but I strongly disagree with the rest of your post about retiring in any country of that sort. Really bad idea. In my opinion.

    It really depends on the person (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:21:12 PM EST
    doesn't it? I think so.

    I had a friend who lived and worked in Mongolia, who fell in love with the country and with the people. When he was here he couldn't wait get back there.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#57)
    by linea on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 01:38:53 AM EST
    I am incapable of wearing ripped-jeans or engaging in slum tourism. It's only quaint when it's not your life. My opinion. But what do I know? I'm a self-absorbed Millennial who spends most of her day angsty over dieting while drinking Diet Coke.

    Video: Poverty in Mongolia


    You said it, I didn't (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:28:58 AM EST
    Yes, I did (2.00 / 1) (#80)
    by linea on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 08:21:57 PM EST
    Also, I wasn't as responsive to Mister McBain as I could have been.

    I'm obviously not an expert on retiring in Central American but I do have a few life experiences to draw upon and in my opinion retiring in the third-world would not be pleasant. You will always be the outsider and foreigner and people will treat you that way. To make matters worse, you will be the American foreigner with all the stereotypes that third-world countries have of Americans including the perception of wealth and the fairness in defrauding you. Most likely you would spend most all your time socializing with the ex-pat community which will increase your isolation from the general community. You will not be a citizen or part of the local community and it won't be possible to be involved in local community groups and activities. You will never fit in, not even at the local church (if you're churchy). In your dotage, it will be more likely that you will be abused and defrauded.

    In my opinion, you would have a more rewarding experience finding an inexpensive community in the US to retire where you can participate in activities and join a wide variety of clubs and groups. If you need medical care, you will have immediate access to US level of care.


    You should have ended your comment (5.00 / 7) (#81)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 09:34:02 PM EST
    at "I'm obviously not an expert".

    This sounds like eeyore in Winnie the Pooh.. (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:05:16 PM EST
    why bother..what's the point..adventures are for the foolish young..

    Best to just stay home and play with your empty honey jar and your broken balloon..


    The hard part is combining (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 03:38:04 PM EST
    the inexpensive community with the culture and weather I'm used to.  One of my neighbors is about to move to Ashland Oregon.  From what I hear it sounds nice but probably a bit too hot in the summer.  

    I agree (none / 0) (#108)
    by linea on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 04:52:50 PM EST
    This sounds nice:
    Ashland is a city in southern Oregon. It's known for the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. Southwest of downtown, leafy Lithia Park surrounds Ashland Creek and features trails, duck ponds and a rose garden. To the northeast, North Mountain Park has a nature center and themed gardens, like the butterfly and herb gardens. At the ScienceWorks Hands-On Museum, kids can build and experiment in the Da Vinci's Garage space.

    Costa Rica
    No thank you.


    I like bugs and snakes (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 05:08:37 PM EST
    neither do they toil nor do they spin..

    And the less time I have to be around Born Again pill-poppers who treat women like objects and guns like women, the better.


    Costa Rica is beautiful (5.00 / 4) (#123)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 08:18:57 AM EST
    The weather is fantastic, the people are extremely friendly, the food is amazing and you go from snorkeling in a tropical ocean to hiking in a cool cloud forest or soaking in a volcanic hot spring by driving only 2-3 hours.  Not to mention great(and universal) health care.  But, ya know ...

    ... bugs.


    Ashland is great (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 03:17:40 PM EST
    if you like yowling stray cats (till all hours) skunks, raccoons, garter snakes, mice, ants, crickets, silverfish, and head lice, that make their home on unwashed, distressed, homeless people.

    And theatre. (none / 0) (#170)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:35:48 PM EST
    you are borderline (none / 0) (#100)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:32:19 PM EST
    xenophobic. You seem to have zero real world experience, in, wait for it, THE WORLD. Get out of your little millennial world in Seattle and try going somewhere. Visit China, Mongolia, Argentina, Japan, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Mexico. You might actually learn something and meet interesting people.

    There was a recent interview (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:51:50 AM EST
    On local television that talked about the social stress caused by constant gaslighting.  Usually it's in the context of ones personal life but now the country is collectively being gaslit by the president on a regular basis and there's only so much of that the brain can process.

    But it's fine, everything is fine, because tax breaks or something.

    My neighborhood is super health conscious (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 01:56:25 PM EST
    Super physically fit

    Kale eating, steps counting, organic consuming, biking to work responsibles.....

    We had a sort of block party, and I really was the most sober person there. That's not my role okay? Hahaha!

    But don't bad mouth, you never know who is overhearing you. Try to be objective (my neighbors are the deep state)...you can literally feel that message in the air. And they are so stressed folks. They really really are :(


    Can you imagine (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:30:11 PM EST
    what they know? I mean if I were them I would be drinking heavily but not a parties where I could accidentally blab something.

    I try not to focus on that (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:36:27 PM EST
    Around them.

    It seems like everything is hard enough for them, we focus on Indian cooking and stories about how the groundhogs are figuring out how to raid our gardens.


    Sarah Silverman is the latest celebrity (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by McBain on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:54:33 AM EST
    celebrity to be criticized for an old tweet.

    A tweet Sarah Silverman sent nine years ago, which she says was a joke, has some labeling her a pedophile.
    In July 2009, the comedic actress tweeted, "Hey, is it considered molestation if the child makes the first move? I'm gonna need a quick answer on this."

    Recently Hollywood director James Gunn was fired from The Guardians of the Galaxy series for similar jokes he made years ago.  Many celebrities have come forward in his defense, which I think is mostly good.  But don't tell that to Roseanne Barr who thinks there's a double standard here

    I'm disgusted to read all of the support for James Gunn's pedophile jokes-as the same people supported blacklisting me for a joke they didn't even understand.

    I think she has a point.

    It's really not hard (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 02:04:12 PM EST
    Was Gunn an actual pedophile or just a comedian trying to be edgy?  Because Roseanne has a long history as a actual r@cist engaging in racist insults and conspiracy theories, as opposed to ... ya know ...

    ... jokes.


    Swinging ape-balls.. (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 02:12:36 PM EST
    I thought those would admirable attributes in Trumpland.

    Congressman Jim Jordan (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:41:01 PM EST
    qualifies.  The Republican from Ohio announced that he is seeking the position of Speaker of the House, when Paul Ryan rides off into the sunset. Jordan continues to be engulfed in a sex scandal when a wrestling coach at OSU.  The former wrestlers maintain that Jordan knew they were being molested by the athletic department physician.

    Maybe Dennis Hastert advised him to go on the offensive..step two, step one being to deflect with the Rosenstein Articles of Impeachment.


    I find it remarkable they still (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:44:46 PM EST
    Cite "the Hastert rule".

    Seriously, you would think they would at least have the shame to rename it.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:45:32 PM EST
    The Jordan rule

    The pure genius of these people.. (none / 0) (#97)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:54:10 PM EST
    they're going on the offensive alright. As in, insulting everyone's intelligence..

    So, with all Jordan's troubles, the president of a right-wing pac just circulated a photo of Jordan in a grappling pose in his wrestling outfit
    with some reference to Jordan devoting himself to "wrestling Democrats to the ground."


    they are pure geniuses at PR...nope! (none / 0) (#111)
    by leap on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 06:53:05 PM EST
    Here's the photo of Gym Jordan to which you referred. Plus, a bonus photo for comparison!

    The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 02:14:13 PM EST
    It's good society has become more aware and sensitive, kinda bad that society has also become more self-righteous about how awesomely aware and sensitive we are, and pretty ugly how judgmental and prosecutorial we've become about it.

    Also the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.. (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:24:58 PM EST
    It wasn't that long ago (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:39:40 PM EST
    That it was perfectly acceptable, and even somewhat expected, to fire a person for being gay or getting pregnant out of wedlock.

    I'm not convinced we've gotten more self-righteous, judgmental and prosecutorial all of a sudden, it's just that the direction has changed.


    Good point... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:59:25 PM EST
    now instead of getting fired for being gay, you can get fired for making gay jokes.  I suppose that's an improvement of sorts, but I hope the "good guys" are careful not to become too much like what they once despised.  

    Or is just a power corrupts thing?  

    Let us wield the power of enlightenment with compassion, mercy, and an understanding of the context of changing times.      


    A person can (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:18:46 PM EST
    Yea I don't disagree (none / 0) (#26)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 04:02:17 PM EST
    With that aspect of it, just saying, the "good ol' days" weren't really that.

    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 04:54:35 PM EST
    just take the best of the old, leave the rest, and maybe cut to the chase with the new? But that's probably asking too much of flawed yet beautiful beings.

    Yes, very good point (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 10:55:37 PM EST
    I cant comment competently about jokes at work because I have my own strong biases and it's so hard for many to determine a bright line with that sort of conduct but I do feel there should be a Federal Law protecting off-work political positions and voting with regards to employment. My opinion.

    I'm not sure how that compares (none / 0) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:53:09 PM EST
    to doing or not doing the job you were hired to do. I think it is ludicrous to fire some for those reasons. I ran a small typesetting company in Baltimore many years ago. I could care less who (or what) you slept with. If you do a quality job, you were golden with me. But I'm all for firing people for incompetence. My point was this generation is so frail, they can't take any criticism, even when warranted.

    I didn't respond to you (none / 0) (#25)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 04:01:04 PM EST
    I wasn't addressing what you wrote, I was addressing what kdog wrote.

    That said, I don't think it's wise to generalize an entire generation from a few of your co-workers in the tech industry.  Especially considering there are likely other socio-economic factors in play that make that group less representative.


    It's the era of millennials. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 02:59:30 PM EST
    That's what happens when you raise a generation on "participation" trophies.

    In a meeting at work yesterday, the subject of auditing the tech writers' work was discussed. We have a problem of them not tagging their XML to the standards put out by our department. So the subject of making them accountable for their mistakes was made. Someone actually said this: "Well, we can't tell point out their mistakes because it might hurt their feelings."

    My head immediately exploded. I told them, grow up. Put your big boy and big girl pants on. You're working for a living. There are expectations made of you. Either meet those expectations, or yes, you're gonna get your feelings hurt. And I will go home knowing I did my job. We're not talking about people making minimum wage here. These people are paid good salaries with pretty darn good benefits.


    Happy Medium... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:12:05 PM EST
    you can point out mistakes without belittling the soul who made the mistake.

    But I hear you on sensibilities getting very frail...and it ain't just millennials. Just look at our old man President...talk about frailty to criticism!


    Re: It's the era of millennials. (none / 0) (#56)
    by linea on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 12:15:30 AM EST
    Millennials elected Obama. And with all deference, I doubt you are paying for the competency you are demanding. Technical Writers with actual technical skills easily demand incomes over 100,000-usd. Not to start an argument. I just feel you may be unfair in your criticism. My opinion.

    Huh??? (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:29:28 PM EST
    I'm not paying anyone. The defense company we all work for pays the writers and pays them well. Not $100K well. That may be west coast or software money. No technical writers in the defense industry (in my area) makes that kind of money. They are more in the range of $60K to $85K, depending upon experience and global grade within the company.

    My criticism is well-founded in 30 years of experience. How many do you have? The writers whom I support and do develop for, are trained when onboarded. They are given internally developed documents on how things are done. Naming conventions, tagging nomenclatures, etc. Then they get lazy and ignore everything they've been told to do. That, my friend, qualifies as incompetence. And if you don't do the job you are paid to do, you SHOULD be criticized for it. How they heck else are you supposed to get back on track and do the job correctly?

    Your doubts are unfounded and once again, you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Millennials may have indeed voted for Obama, I don't agree they "elected" Obama. I voted for Obama (barely a baby boomer), but I won't take credit for electing him.


    "Millenials elected Obama"??? (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Yman on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:41:36 PM EST
    Why would millenials be credited for electing Obama?  While they were the only age group that increased their turnout in the 2016 election, their voting rate still lags behind all the other groups.

    Facts (none / 0) (#102)
    by linea on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 03:24:28 PM EST
    Opinions (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 01:24:06 PM EST
    ... of a pair of authors who like to write about millennials.  Might want to do not than Google and post the first headlines, though, since everyone those articles don't support your claims ("in large part" "Indiana and North Carolina" etc.).  But they do confirm that millennials participation rate is substantially lower than other she groups - thanks for proving my point.  Obama did well among millennials, but other groups vote at higher rates and in higher percentages for Obama (African Americans - particular AA women).  But keep trying to take credit, if it makes you feel better.

    James Gunn's tweets (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 11:58:38 AM EST
    Were rampant and one-track and pretty disturbing.

    A single off-color joke from 10 years ago is not the same thing as consistently posting about pedophilia for an extended period of time.

    Whoever fired Roseanne over that tweet was clearly looking for a reason.  Frankly, I think you can put 99% of these firings into that box.  Someone wanted them gone and they finally got a reason.


    Too much twittering (none / 0) (#9)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 01:29:25 PM EST
    makes you a bird-brain.

    If you want pithy observations of purported value, try reading Basho.


    With dewdrops dripping (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 01:44:39 PM EST
    I wish somehow I could wash
    This perishing world

    On Buddha's birthday
    a spotted fawn is born-
     just like that


    Cyber Diarrhea... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 04:57:56 PM EST
    is what it is...but I guess we can't throw no stones in a internet blog comment section, as dignified as we may be on our good days.

    I believe, Jeralyn is not a fan (none / 0) (#55)
    by linea on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 12:03:30 AM EST
    But I love her comedy. I love her politics and her speech at the DNC Convention where she stated, `can I just say to the Bernie or Bust people, you're being ridiculous` and I love her mocking of Jews driving German cars and this must be the most fun Christmas song ever.

    I didn't know (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 06:59:48 AM EST
    Jeralyn gave a speech at the DNC :)

    No Doom nor Gloom... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 02:41:40 PM EST
    at Montage Mountain outside Scranton PA last weekend at Peachfest.  Just a whole lotta love and a whole lotta grooves...Phil Lesh & TFB, JRAD, Oteil & Friends, Karl Denson among the highlights and many more. Dickey Betts don't look so good and his fingers struggle to keep up, but still good to see him...and his boy Duane can carry that weight for him.  The other ABB OG Jaimoe is faring better on the skins.  All the more amazing that Lesh can keep up the tempo and drop those patented Phil-Bombs at Seventy-f*cking-Eight.  

    It's so hard to come back to reality after such 4 day experiments in Utopia.  Maybe we could ask Putin to order Trump to institute a two-day work week and use the military budget to fund free 4 day music festivals from coast to coast every week.  Rest on Sunday;) Now that would make American Grateful Again!

    Fox News destroyed this country... (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by magster on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 02:20:01 PM EST
    ... turning the Republican party into a racist sexist greedy cult and setting the table for a Trump presidency.  

    If Dems don't take back the House this fall, I may just join in the sentiment of wanting to bail from these states.  I would go to the Netherlands, though.

    Hey, magister! (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 03:03:32 PM EST
    Long time no hear from.  Hope you're doing well.
    I understand about wanting to bail.  Mr. Zorba and I have been talking about "what if's."

    Hoover the cat.... (5.00 / 8) (#83)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:07:13 AM EST
    Today we had to say good-bye to our sweet old grey cat.  Well, he wasn't that old, only about 14 years, but he was sickly all his life.  But we knew that when we adopted him.  He was even tempered, never bit, never scratched, and even put up some good-natured fooling around from the grand kids.  He never caught a bird or killed a mouse.  He would jump up into the bed at night and start purring loudly.  I'll miss that.  The vets were nice and he went quickly and easily.  Good-bye old buddy and I hope I made your life easier.  See you next time around the wheel.

    Thanks - just made me feel a little better talking about it.

    Thank you for sharing Hoover (5.00 / 4) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:29:15 AM EST
    Godspeed Hoover

    So sorry, desertwine. (5.00 / 5) (#91)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 11:30:20 AM EST
    The purring in bed is just the greatest. So sorry Hoover is gone. He sounds like such a sweet kitty.

    Thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 04:03:52 PM EST
    It takes more than a little bit of hubris (5.00 / 5) (#147)
    by CST on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 04:21:19 PM EST
    To assume you are the only one here with any real life experience with travel beyond tourism, based simply on the fact that people had different opinions about the experience than you.

    My opinion.

    My sister is 63 yrs old (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 08:48:17 PM EST
    And is thriving in Nanjing, China. Your assumptions and conclusions are just plain ignorant.

    So we went to the movies this afternoon. (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:02:30 AM EST
    "Mission Impossible: Fallout" really should've been named "Mission Impossible: Pratfall." It can be described succinctly in two words -- relentlessly relentless.

    Simply put, I found the film to be way too busy for its own good. The action sequences -- and oh boy, were there ever action sequences! -- overwhelmed whatever plot there was, and there was indeed a rather intricate plot, which served to only make matters worse to incoherent. Further, the numerous chase scenes were interminably long to the point of nonsensical.

    In one chase sequence, Tom Cruise was running on foot so fast through the center of London, and running, and running, and running for what seemed like miles and miles and miles, that I was half-expecting a cloud of dust to be kicked up in his wake, like the Road Runner racing through the desert in a Warner Bros. Looney Tunes cartoon.

    (If I had scored the film musically, I'd have have been sorely tempted to purloin Vangelis's "Chariots of Fire" for use in that scene, just for levity.)

    Anyway, whatever empathy I had for the characters had long since dissipated a little past the halfway mark, no doubt due to sheer exhaustion on my part. I soon thereafter started looking at my watch, just waiting for the movie to end. I didn't care what happened. I just wanted it to be over.

    Clocking in at a daunting 150 minutes, "MI: Fallout" could've really benefited from some seriously judicious editing. Reducing it by a good 25-30 minutes would've made for a much tighter and better 2-hour film. You'd still have lots of action, which is after all the whole point of these movies, but you'd have reduced the 8-minute fight scene in a Paris restroom and 15-to-20-minute chases, simply by cutting their length by one-third to even half.

    If you're a die-hard action film fan, I cautiously recommend it because there's never a dull moment. But If you like your film experiences to also have a coherent plot that you can follow, or if you'd just like to come up for air every now and then, then it's probably best that you not waste your time and money on this hot cinematic mess, and instead wait for it to come out on Netflix or Showtime.


    Linnea? (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:32:09 PM EST
    Yes? (none / 0) (#180)
    by linea on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 10:55:22 PM EST
    I agree with Donald from Hawaii, `relentlessly relentless.'

    The action scenes are seriously filled with action. The directors did an excellent job with the action. And the expected tearing off of a mask isn't overdone.

    However, the film completely failed at making me feel emotionally vested despite spending considerable time trying. Tom Cruise is guilt-ridden for not properly protecting his ex-wife and ex-girlfriend. That's the first scene and it's repeated over and over. But it all falls flat.

    It would also have been nice had they made the villains and the motives of the villains at least as believable as the comedy film Kingsman: The Golden Circle. But they didn't.

    The plot?

    An international cabal of mercenaries have become ANARCHISTS with the motto `the greater the suffering, the greater the peace.' The anarchist mercenaries steal three nuclear ORBS from Eastern Russia and convince an ATHEIST scientist who wants to nuke the Vatican, Mecca, (and some other religious site, I forget which) to build nuclear bombs with the nuclear ORBS.

    But wait! The dastardly plan of the anarchist mercenaries is actual to trigger the nuclear weapons in a remote village in Kashmir because the radioactive waters will flow into tributaries feeding several counties thus cause the greatest suffering. Because, `the greater the suffering...' never mind. Ignore the plot.

    Now, the fun part. My GBF took me to a matinee showing.

    GBF: `I have a serious crush on Henry Cavill, he's gay.'
    Linnea: `Which one was Henry Cavill?'
    GBF: `The co-star? Superman?'
    Linnea: `Superman is gay?'
    GBF: `No! Superman isn't gay! The actor who played Superman is gay!'

    It seemed a very funny thing to say. 😀


    He recently won the well-deserved 2017 Razzie Award as Worst Actor for Batman v. Superman. He was actually much better in Showtime's The Tudors, in which he played Henry VIII's loyal brother-in-law Charles Brandon, the Duke of Suffolk. I binge-watched the entire second season of that series -- the one about the ill-fated Anne Boleyn -- on the 16.5-hr. flight from Atlanta to Johannesburg.

    The levels of your ignorance (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 08:14:11 AM EST
    is stunning.

    You stated that America was a better place to retire. That is very much not true. There are much better places to retire than the US based on costs of living and healthcare. Jeralyn once suggested looking into Ecuador.

    You like facts, here are some facts for you. An emergency room visit in Nanjing costs $3. A recent foot surgery with a 4 day hospital stay cost my sister $800. A 3 bedroom apartment costs her $500 a month. My sister pays $120 per YEAR for internet service. (I pay nearly $100 a MONTH in PA).

    China has high speed train service. China has over 100 cities with populations over 100 million. There are plenty of bad governments around the world. I'm too thrilled with the one in the US these days. It has become brutal toward anyone with brown skin.

    But so far as your opinions on retirement, your head is stuck somewhere you should pull it out of. I have a distinct feeling most others who comment here are closer to retirement than you are (or are already retired) and have better perspective on it. If I was McBaim, I would look to someone like that for retirement advice rather than self-absorbed millennial.

    It's doing well at the box office and (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by McBain on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 12:29:51 PM EST
    has a 97% rotten tomatoes score.  However, based on your review and my experience with the first Mission Impossible movie, I doubt I'll ever see it.

    I don't mind Tom Cruise but I have very  high standards for action films.  Unrealistic car chases and gunplay tend to ruin movies and TV for me.  

    (If I had scored the film musically, I'd have have been sorely tempted to purloin Vangelis's "Chariots of Fire" for use in that scene, just for levity.)

    I'm a big Vangelis fan.  I love his music in the original Blade Runner and the original Cosmos TV show. His score for the Bounty was also interesting but I never really got into his Oscar winning Chariots of Fire.  My favorite Vangelis studio album is Albedo 0.39.  

    Vangelis (none / 0) (#160)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 02:27:14 PM EST
    is a Greek guy, born Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou, in a town in Thessaly.
    I really like his music, too, and not just because he's Greek.

    Anybody watching the Rudy 9/11 Ghouliani (none / 0) (#161)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 03:05:01 PM EST
    LOL! (none / 0) (#174)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 06:15:55 PM EST
    He's really not doing Trump any favors.
    I hope he keeps on like that!

    Be sure and listen to the music (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 01:22:04 PM EST
    from the good, the bad, and the ugly that desertswine posted way back up at #19.  It's excellent.

    TSA has air Marshall's watching people (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:30:57 PM EST
    in airports and on planes to see if they exhibit suspicious behaviors, including sleeping during flights.

    Or strong body odor! (none / 0) (#171)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:50:01 PM EST
    I thought it was a given that after long haul flights none of us smell like roses. Unfortunately, most of us south-east asians seem to "ripen" a little faster. Sometimes, the BO masked with (cheap?!)perfume can be particularly eye-watering.

    Sleeping during flights (none / 0) (#175)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 06:19:14 PM EST
    is suspicious???
    Heck, if a flight is over three hours, darned right I'll try and sleep, and I often do, especially if I have to take Benadryl for air sickness, which I get sometimes.

    I must be on their radar. (none / 0) (#177)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 07:35:08 PM EST

    Ah, man, TSA finds travelers (none / 0) (#178)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 08:28:37 PM EST
    who sleep suspicious? Not good news for me. As soon as the flight attendant finishes the safety talk I snuggle up with my noise-canceling headphones, close my eyes and hope that sleep comes soon.

    Clearly, (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    You, me, and oculus are very suspicious characters.   :-D

    So they are wasting time (none / 0) (#181)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 03:06:30 AM EST
    Following people around with flight anxiety :)

    All nervous boarding, then knocking themselves out once on board

    I though sociopaths and psychopaths were calm, cool, and collected right before they off all of us


    Ahhhh (none / 0) (#182)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 04:16:31 AM EST
    Answering my own questions

    All of us medicated neurotics look like relaxed psychopaths


    Is that so? (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 06:23:05 PM EST
    My honest advice to Mister McBain, based on my life experiences of actually having lived in other counties, is that retiring in one's old age to a country like Costa Rica would have many unpleasant obstacles. I realize many Americans romanticize other countries based on their experiences as tourists - suntanning while sipping margaritas, snorkeling in a tropical ocean, or hiking a rainforest - but permanently relocating to live in another country is difficult. More so as you enter your elder years where some activities become become a struggle.

    So - given your vast expertise and personal experience that you're using as a basis for this opinion, how many of your "elder years" have you spent living in Costa Rica, as opposed to say ... teen years living in some other country entirely?


    Ezra Klein (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 12:16:25 PM EST
    has a great article explaining in essence that is racial --not-economic--anxiety that propelled Trump's victory.  Among the most persuasive data is the that the perception among Trump's voters of the strength of the economy changed overnight by dramatic margins.

    Racial attitudes shape perceptions and support for the parties dramatically. And, Trump's own slogan Mage America Great Again is a call to go back to majority white America. The article has good data on the racial resentment among whites beings strongest among the WWC--the proverbial Trump voter.

    Racial resentment colors the view of the economy.  The economy at present is not all that different for the WWC Trump voters but their perception of it has changed dramatically.

    Armando called this one even before the election  He was tweeting he was really scared of the WWC vote in Michigan--before the election.  He was generally pooh-poohed--then.  

    Bernie believes that if we just stress economic issues, we win.  But he is not dealing with racial issues.  This is his great weakness imo.

    I agree completely with that explanation. (none / 0) (#187)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 02:05:05 PM EST
    I commented before that the bulk of Bone Spurs support I saw in northern MD and southeast PA was not from people who looked like they were struggling financially. I saw the signs in front mostly McMansions with nice new autos parked in the drive. Plenty of toys in the garages, etc.

    Hello (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 12:59:10 PM EST
    The Journal noted that Weisselberg was once described by a person close to the company as "the most senior person in the organization that's not a Trump."

    If you are very quiet you can hear the countdown

    Probably (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 03:33:13 PM EST
    why the chaos is getting louder and more obnoxious--in order for people to not be quiet and hear the countdown.

    Weisselberg in the movie (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:32:29 PM EST
    Needs to be J.K. Simmons.

    Just heard an interesting bit (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 07:14:55 PM EST
    About the "red line" aspect of this.  Remember Trump said any investigation of his finances was a red line not to be crossed

    He said it would be a red line for Mueller.  See the problem?  What's he going to do fire everyone in the SDNY attorneys office?  Messy.  Firing Mueller and Rosenstein might not help that much.

    You would almost Mueller had given this approach some thought and planning.


    Trump returning to the White House (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:53:53 PM EST
    Seems like I only recall him that upset once, at the beginning of his presidency.

    I think tweets are (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:59:42 PM EST
    Definitely called for.  All caps

    I'm still doing my neck PT (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 09:12:04 PM EST
    Wow my neck is in bad shape tonight, so taking my head with it. Doctor said long term PT changes don't kick in until 6 week mark. I'm not sure I can do all caps Trump tweets in the next 24 hrs.

    John Dean now on CNN repeating that Lanny Davis says this leak did not come from them and also suggests Trump leaked this. Why would Trumpers leak that?


    Because they know it's coming out? (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 09:27:13 PM EST
    And now it's old news?

    In terms of speculation

    Maybe prosecutors leaked it to push Cheeto over the edge.  On the same day his accountant is netted.

    The lawyers are saying the fact it is leaked does not keep it from being important.  So if Trump leaked it it was as dumb as if Cohen did.


    Changing the subject dramatically (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 09:34:05 PM EST
    Has worked before to a certain degree

    Not sure it'll work this time

    Doesn't Trump usually follow a bad day like this with some decisive gesture that is controversial?


    Well if this is true (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 09:53:13 PM EST
    IF this is true and more importantly can be proven somehow

    It's game over.  You got your collusion.  You got your conspiracy.

    The economic growth numbers coming out tomorrow are supposed to be very very good (someone said as much as 5% which is amazing and artificially inflated because of pre tariffs spending).  Maybe he will try to use that.  


    Collusion is no big deal (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 10:06:46 PM EST
    That is how they will spin it.

    We'll see if it works.


    Oh (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 10:09:19 PM EST
    And obstruction.  That too.

    Is it possible (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 06:14:58 AM EST
    We have a deep throat now?

    With all the payoffs (none / 0) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:07:31 AM EST
    by Cohen and American Media Inc, this calls for a snappy one-liner.

    So many days of feeling (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:29:23 AM EST
    Shocked, humor failing to find me sometimes.

    I hope everyone is holding up well and finding ways to decompress.


    You should find nothing (none / 0) (#64)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:50:08 AM EST
    that Trump says or does as shocking anymore. When all the evidence comes out, and all the sycophants that helped prop up the house of cards write their books, each and every bootlicker will use some version of the phrase..."no one could have known".

    I remain shockable (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 08:00:59 AM EST
    I knew he objectified his kids to a very unhealthy degree, but what he did to his son this morning has shocked me.

    He couldn't wait to consult with his attorney? What did he do to his son in that tweet?


    Unlike in TV shows (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 08:20:14 AM EST
    In this case, the father has no problem risking jail time for the son as a result of the sins of the father.

    I believe some real life mobsters (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 08:26:14 AM EST
    Have been more fatherly and protective of their children than Donald Trump is of his.

    At what point (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 09:38:06 AM EST
    Does DJTJ do a Cohen?

    Mueller doesn't care about Jr.


    Don't know (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 10:01:56 AM EST
    Know that they did not get along when Jr was younger, and Jr chose to live in his truck around Rocky Mtn ski resorts.

    I guess there isn't a level or type of betrayal we won't all be dragged through with this President. Even his family betrayals will become part of our political history.


    If this can be proven (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 10:08:37 AM EST
    Jr will have some of the most obvious and accessible legal liabilities

    He lied to congress.  

    Jr doesn't really strike me as the "I will go to prison for you dad" type

    Jr has seen tv.  He knows he is a girlfriend.


    They will (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 10:20:10 AM EST
    Love that chin

    We should start (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 09:59:13 AM EST
    A betting pool on Cohen's imminent nickname.

    Creepy Cohen
    Corrupt Cohen



    Lying loser Cohen? (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 10:04:47 AM EST
    Giuliani discussing Cohen (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 11:22:10 AM EST
    May 6, 2018: "The man is an honest, honorable lawyer."

    July 27, 2018: "He has lied all his life."

    So much story changing from the White House it's hard to keep up without a program.


    An I interesting (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 11:26:08 AM EST
    Opinion of Trumps fixer for the last decade

    Ongoing (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:04:14 PM EST
    This is interesting because (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 05:08:16 PM EST
    A few days ago, I forget, I related having a depressing and nutty conversation with a couple of local Trump humpers.

    That exchange was really started by what seemed to me at the time totally baseless and out of the blue nasty comments about McCaskill.

    Not out of the blue at all as it turns out.


    I emailed the site about this (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 10:23:20 AM EST
    In case they were not aware of possible other "active measures" than phishing

    Just got a reply that my story is not the first


    Cohen says (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:31:09 PM EST
    Trump knew in advance and approved of the June Trump tower meeting.

    Multiple sources.  

    CNN (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:35:03 PM EST
    Danny Davis says it's not (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:40:56 PM EST
    From them.  The source for this may get interesting

    "I have to wonder why the TRump people would put that out"


    Seems possible Cohen (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    Is leaking without keeping his attorney in the loop.

    Consensus seems to be (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:53:37 PM EST
    It does not help and in fact hurts him.  Doesn't mean he didn't do it.  He's been doing dumb things right and left

    But it seems to me if he really had this info he would be giving it to Mueller not CNN.


    Maybe he (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:28:28 AM EST
    has given it to Mueller. Mueller can't keep people from blabbing what they told him. Maybe Trump found out that Cohen had given it to Mueller and wanted to get ahead of the story though I can't imagine this coming out helps Trump in the least.

    This is going to be a 1000 page book when it all comes out.


    Let's hope that thousand-page book ... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:57:45 AM EST
    Ga6thDem: "This is going to be a 1000 page book when it all comes out."

    ... doesn't read like Atlas Shrugged.


    Except he's Michael Cohen :) (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2018 at 08:55:54 PM EST
    It's been a lifetime of poor choices?

    Here I go (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 07:56:55 AM EST
    Feeling bad/sad for Don Jr. I gotta stop. Don Jr is a grown man and chose to hang close to his father, who is President of the United States and threw him under his campaign bus while poop tweeting. Whew, so jacked up

    You're feelng sorry for Donald, Jr.? (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:53:17 AM EST
    Here, let me dispel you of that notion.

    These people all truly deserve one another.


    For the lawyers on here... (none / 0) (#82)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 27, 2018 at 09:51:16 PM EST
    Suppose you have a client who bills his customer for 'x' amount of dollars. The customer lets your client know that the amount is wrong and asks them to check their numbers.
    Instead of checking the numbers the client has you, their lawyer write a letter stating that 'x' amount is due. Bear in mind, this is not a small amount, it is a discrepancy in the tens of thousands.

    Do you as the lawyer have a legal requirement to check that the figure your client gave you is accurate before you send your letter out or does it not matter because you are just sending it on behalf of the client, so you are not liable?

    I will have an answer on Monday when we can talk to a lawyer in person but since I am impatient I thought I would ask here :-)!

    The very fact that you're even asking ... (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 02:47:45 AM EST
    ... that question ought to tell you that your own ethical compass is alive and well. Perhaps in this instance, you should pay it some heed. While I'm not an attorney, I will nevertheless advise you to always trust your initial instincts. If what your client is requesting sounds sketchy to you, it likely is sketchy. And no client or boss is ever worth compromising your own personal and / or professional integrity on their behalf.

    Anyway, that's my two cents. Good luck.


    Donald, I somehow missed your comment earlier. (none / 0) (#106)
    by vml68 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 03:52:27 PM EST
    But, considering your response and PeterG's, I will have to accept that my comment was not very clear. I tried to keep things vague and it seems to have confused the issue. Just to clarify, I am not the lawyer in the above scenario.

    Without going into too many specifics, here's the situation.
    We got a request for payment from a 'vendor'. We realised the requested amount was off by a lot. We let the 'vendor' know that they had miscalculated and sent them a document from the bank listing payments we had made and showing that some of the items that they were asking payment for had actually been paid for a couple of months ago. We figured they would take a look at it and adjust their request accordingly.
    Instead, we got a letter from their lawyer demanding the full amount.

    Needless to say, we were a bit shocked. Our discussion with our lawyer is going to be about dealing with the vendor.

    My questions for the lawyers here was not about how to deal with our situation.
    My question was that since the lawyer is aware we are disputing the amount and is in possession of the statement from the bank, do they have any obligation to look at it before sending a letter repeating the false claim on their client's behalf. And, no, I am not planning on suing the lawyer :-)!
    I just assumed that a lawyer would make sure of facts before attaching their name to something. But, I guess I am wrong?


    Lawyers tend to believe (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 09:16:52 PM EST
    their clients.  It is rare to know your client is actually lying.  And you have a duty to zealously represent your client, and not rat them out if you merely think they are bit shady.

    But if you really know, not just suspect, your client is lying, then you have an ethical obligation to not perpetrate the lie.   This applies to testimony, and I think representations in general. That is the minimum requirement, but many have their own ethical standards higher than that.

    Also, Sarbanes Oxley really puts a burden on people making representations on behalf of corps.

    Just general standards, and as Peter says, the application to your specific situation is really beyond what one can do online.


    Thanks for the reply, MKS. (none / 0) (#117)
    by vml68 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 11:07:16 PM EST

    I am sure you will find, VML, that (none / 0) (#88)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 10:06:34 AM EST
    no lawyer who participates on this site will venture to give legal advice that relates to anyone's personal situation, regardless of what that situation is or how it is described. For good reason, you can only get legal advice in a confidential setting, from a lawyer who is licensed in that jurisdiction, where the lawyer can assure him/herself that s/he has no conflicts of interest in even getting involved, and then can assess your story, ask all the questions s/he thinks pertinent, ascertain what it is that you want to accomplish or what your goals and limitations are, and then give candid and confidential advice pertaining to your situation, not limited to the precise question that you asked.

    Sorry, Peter G. I guess I was not really looking (none / 0) (#98)
    by vml68 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 01:32:45 PM EST
    at the situation as asking for advice since the only advice we would take is from our lawyer when we meet with them on Monday. I thought I had kept the situation vague enough that it would be apparent I was not asking for advice.

    Just to be clear, I was not asking for how to deal with the above situation. I was looking for a more general answer.
    For eg., if I were to ask if Donald Trump had Michael Cohen write a letter on his behalf, does Michael Cohen have to make sure that what he is writing is accurate or does it not matter because he is just performing a service for his client?


    AMERICAN GODS (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 10:45:42 AM EST
    no indictments?  No headlines?
    Maybe some escapism.
    STARZ recently did a marathon I recorded but am just getting around to.
    If you didn't see this the first time it streams from the STARZ app.

    A bit of a much longer unforgettable opening to episode 2 where Anansi is called by name by a prisoner on a slave ship to help the supplicant and appears as Mr Nancy

    Season 2 is coming soon

    It's worth the time just for (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 11:03:01 AM EST
    Claire McCasklill (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:05:28 PM EST

    Think about it

    Nope, not when I still can recall (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Towanda on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 03:37:57 PM EST
    that Claire asked her teenager who to vote for in 2008.

    10 years (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 06:18:41 PM EST
    Maybe it's time to move on

    Lukewarm (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 08:36:25 PM EST
    We have better possible candidates

    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 05:53:43 AM EST
    I'm just kind of men on Claire

    I need Duckworth and Harris (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 08:46:47 PM EST
    To be in the primary. Also Booker and Holder.

    That's just off the top of my head.

    Compared to all four of those possibilities it's hard for me to get excited about Claire.


    There will likely be all those (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 10:03:19 PM EST
    And 15-20 others.  I was only thinking about it because if the Russians are concerned enough to start their stuff now ........

    Obviously I will vote for the for who ever wins the primary  


    The Russians are concerned about it (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:39:43 AM EST
    because she is one of the most vulnerable Democrats, and that's it.  They see it as a seat that can easily be flipped Republican.
    Claire is somewhat of a DINO and I don't particularly like her.
    I have relatives back there and I talk to them and visit often, so I'm not just speaking out of my hat.  OTOH, my relatives (at least, my generation and younger) are a pretty liberal crowd, so there you are.
    She wouldn't win the nomination, anyway.

    Well (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:47:36 AM EST
    I live here and that is definitely not how she is seen by anyone I regularly encounter.

    She is a commie pinko socialist gun grabbing threat to everything we hold dear.


    My point is she has walked the razors edge for a long time.  Not a bad skill to take national.

    She is a progressive.  The fact she was one of Obama's first supporters both proves that and explains some of the pushback.

    She is not my first choice but she has been a staunch and consistent voice against Russia.  Which IMO is as much a reason she has been targeted by Russia as any midterm vulnerability


    I assume that (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 12:08:54 PM EST
    most of the people you are in contact with are northern Arkansas and southern Missouri.
    My peeps are all in the St. Louis area, with a few in Kansas City, and trust me on this, none of them like Claire and consider her not to be very "leftie" at all.
    But then, these may be the biggest population centers of Missouri, and they are also solidly blue, but the rest of the state (with the possible exception of around Columbia, where Mizzou is) is pretty solidly red.
    Especially the Ozarks area.  Mr. Zorba still has two cousins who live in that area, and they're not too bad, but every time we visit down there, I keep thinking "thank the FSM we don't live here. It's beautiful, but the people........."  Anyone who isn't to the right of Attila the Hun is considered too left wing and socialist for them.

    I believe that Russia hopes (none / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 05:14:12 AM EST
    Trump doesn't lose the Senate too. If that happens he should be worthless to them.

    Claire usually has to fight for her seat in purple Missouri. Has she had an election cycle where she isn't one of our vulnerable Democrats?

    I suspect Russia has ticked off most of the Show Me state though now. Don't know if they understood the risks of attacking a purple state if your attack is exposed. I think Missourians will rally to Claire.

    In truth, I don't really know how Claire would govern as President. Representing Missouri is no small feat, and I have only experienced Claire as representing a very purple state.

    I also will support whoever wins the primary. That has never been more a given.


    I dont know (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 08:04:46 AM EST
    But I think if Trump and the RUssians think a slim republican Senate majority will save them they might be careful what they wish for

    The Senate has always shown more willingness to call Trump out.  If Mueller brings in the air tight case we expect combined with tariff mania and God only knows what else ....

    Think of it this way, we know more or less what's going to happen in the House.  It would be far more legitimate if Trump is impeached in a democratically controlled house and convicted in a republican controlled Senate.

    I do not think this is impossible at all.


    Also (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:48:48 AM EST
    Worth considering if this fantasy becomes reality it will be happening in a world where even if republicans claw back enough to keep the Senate, I personally believe it will be happening in the shadow of the most clear "message election" in memory.

    I believe that message will not be lost on 3/4 of the Senate.

    But that's jus me.


    Or 2/3 (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:51:16 AM EST
    Or 3/5 or whatever

    If the House holds public hearings (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:02:56 AM EST
    Like it did for the Nixon administration, we will eventually get enough of the Senate to vote to impeach  but it won't be easy and I expect that Trump's term is over before we get to that place. I just do not need McConnell running anything after midterms. He is such a snake. We have no idea what crap he would pull.

    Check (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:38:08 AM EST

    IMO we need to fight just as hard (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:54:57 AM EST
    To control the Senate. Trump isn't going to leave like Nixon did. Mitch McConnell is no friend of mine. Mitch wouldn't allow Obama to inform the American people of the Russian interference before we all headed out to vote. We really have no idea how much Mitch knew. He could be jail bound as well

    No argument (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:57:23 AM EST
    Speculation -

    I bet he could not stop a vote following an impeachment.


    I like Booker. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 08:12:03 AM EST
    And Duckworth. In fact I have written to Booker about running.

    Not trying to start an argument (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:59:56 AM EST
    But he seems a little slick.

    To be clear, I agree with everything he says and I would cheerfully vote for him.

    I'm not sure he is the best national candidate.

    But he surely might be.

    Bein honest


    You're already slick willying (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:06:41 AM EST
    A candidate?

    That's an interesting comparison (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:10:31 AM EST
    No.  I'm not.  

    I'm giving you an honest opinion.  Which has nothing to do with race.  Or type. For example, I think Castro would be a killer national candidate.  

    I find Castro a much more authentic candidate.

    Is just a subjective opinion.  And it's not slicking anyone.


    I love Castro (none / 0) (#134)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:17:11 AM EST
    But no indication yet he wants to make a run for it.

    The difference between (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:21:31 AM EST
    A pol and a president is understanding when your time has come.

    See Obama.

    IMO 2020 is Castro's time.

    But I am high and drinking for lunch so......


    It has been reported that Obama (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 12:07:35 PM EST
    Thinks he may have jumped his window and ran for President too soon.

    That's hard to entertain though because many of us thought he needed to support  Clinton and then run, and that brings up sore feelings from their primary fight so

    And there is no crystal ball, something could have come along and shortened Obama's life and he'd never been.

    Our nation is always better off having had him for a two term President.


    Today was a good day tequila (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 08:52:55 PM EST
    And lemonade. On the front porch.

    Or (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 10:33:29 AM EST



    67 in 2020 (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:22:09 PM EST
    I feel spye

    Spry (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 12:23:16 PM EST
    (especially of an old person) active; lively.

    Heard some interesting (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 28, 2018 at 06:55:55 PM EST
    Speculation today.  About the future of politics in this country.  

    The republican party is dying, he said.  Clearly it is.  That the future might be with a split in the democratic party.  After all the recruited recovering republicans of the TRump era.  A split between the "moderate" and "progressive" wings leaving the republican party a small and insignificant group of white nationalists and old people.  Or white nationalist old people.

    Have to say, that doesn't sound that terrible to me.  If we can choose between progressive and moderate that seems like an improvement over choosing between moderate and right fringe.

    It looks like trump is getting ready... (none / 0) (#118)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 01:21:15 AM EST
    to declare victory in Afghanistan.

    The Trump administration is urging American-backed Afghan troops to retreat from sparsely populated areas of the country, officials said, all but ensuring the Taliban will remain in control of vast stretches of the country.

    The Trump administration is also instructing top American diplomats to seek direct talks with the Taliban to refuel negotiations to end the war, and two senior Taliban officials said on Saturday that such talks had been held in Qatar a week ago. If they happen, the negotiations would be a major shift in American policy and would serve as a bridge to an eventual withdrawal of United States forces from Afghanistan.

    Good (none / 0) (#189)
    by linea on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 08:30:04 PM EST
    One U.S. service member was killed and two were wounded Saturday in an apparent insider attack in Afghanistan, according to the U.S.-led military coalition.... The Taliban released a statement praising an Afghan soldier for carrying out the attack, without asserting responsibility for it themselves.

    Shutdown (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:19:37 AM EST
    Minutes ago

    "I would be willing to 'shut down' government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall!" Trump tweeted. "Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc. and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT!

    "We need great people coming into our Country!" Trump said.

    That would be Sept 30, 2018.

    That popping sound is republican heads exploding.

    PS (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 09:28:06 AM EST
    I just heard that on FOX NEWS SUNDAY. No, I did not watch the Rudy interview.

    It was reported live as it happened and greeted with eyrolls and groans.

    FOX NEWS SUNDAY has been surprisingly and increasingly critical of Trump for weeks.  


    CaptHowdy: "I just heard that on FOX NEWS SUNDAY. No, I did not watch the Rudy interview. It was reported live as it happened and greeted with eyerolls and groans. FOX NEWS SUNDAY has been surprisingly and increasingly critical of Trump for weeks."

    At some point, the folks who work at Fox News need to look out for No. 1. Old Man Rupert is not going to live forever despite wife Jerry Hall's best efforts, and his kids may be a lot less amendable to the network's crass indulgence of right-wing politics than Daddy.



    This tape editing situation (none / 0) (#148)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 29, 2018 at 06:30:33 PM EST
    that Rudy is claiming regarding the Trump/Cohen telephone recordings appears to me as grasping at straws.  The information is there and the expert commenting on CNN said something happened at the end of the iPhone 5 recording.  So the essence of the conversation is there.  It's not at all like the Nixon tape where Rose cut information out of the middle.  They are trying everything to make Trumps lying seem truthful.

    Anybody watching the Rudy 9/11 Ghouliani (none / 0) (#162)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 03:06:57 PM EST
    Not watching (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 03:26:46 PM EST
    but it is all over twitter that IT IS a trainwreck.

    The wheels (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 09:02:06 AM EST
    Do seem to be coming off

    Here's something that has every indication... (none / 0) (#163)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 03:21:47 PM EST
    of being something very, very bad for democracy.

    The Religious Liberty Task Force.  Put your helmets on and take cover.

    During the G.W. Bush administration (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:27:16 PM EST
    AG Gonzales almost totally neutered the Civil Rights Division and turned it over to "religious liberty" cranks from the Christian Legal Society. They seemed to divide their time between grifting, while doing no harm, and losing cases in court. This could be similar, or it could be worse.

    My thoughts exactly, (none / 0) (#186)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 02:00:55 PM EST
    when I first saw the story. This "religious liberty" cra* is just a smoke screen for legalized discrimination.

    I'm an atheist. I do on occasion wear t-shirts that have some non-believer quip or statement on them. I also have stickers on the glass part of my screen door that make it clear that non-believers live here. Can one of these "religious liberty" laws allow someone whose seen my notices to attempt to deny me services at their store or restaurant, etc.? I say attempt, because it wouldn't end well for any of us. It wouldn't end well for the denier of services and probably not so well for me either. I don't file lawsuits. I am prone to seek a resolution to such behavior on the spot.


    None of us would survive retiring to (none / 0) (#169)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 04:35:17 PM EST
    China.  Internet censorship.

    You do have something (none / 0) (#173)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 06:00:57 PM EST
    there. My sister does complain about her inability to reach some websites. But there are ways around that.

    Flying while black is probably bad too. (none / 0) (#172)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jul 30, 2018 at 05:18:23 PM EST

    Black, brown, (none / 0) (#188)
    by Zorba on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 02:20:31 PM EST
    Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, you name it, you may well be targeted.

    Facebook again (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 31, 2018 at 12:16:15 PM EST
    Probably Russia again.  Or still.