Trump: No Court, No Judge, Just Immediate Removal

By Jeralyn, Section Trump Administration
Posted on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 02:01:28 PM EST
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Donald Trump continues his outlandish attempts to rip the fabric of our country's most cherished principles: Today it's due process.

According to Trump, we don't need no stinkin' trials, or judges.

“When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came,” he said.

Does he even know that the law provides for asylum and that asylum seekers enter the country lawfully?

“What President Trump has suggested here is both illegal and unconstitutional. Any official who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws should disavow it unequivocally,” said Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

Trump says "Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order." What's next? Will he argue that migrants without proper papers should be shot at the border, so we don't have to pay to return them? I wouldn't be surprised.

It's not our system that's a mockery, it is Donald Trump that has made a mockery of America.

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I am trying to figure out, in my own mind (5.00 / 6) (#1)
by Peter G on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 02:27:26 PM EST

whether swearing to support and defend the Constitution is criminal perjury when you have no actual idea what the Constitution says or means, and if you did know, you would disavow it. I guess not. To be guilty of perjury you have to falsely swear to something you know to be false. It is not enough, I think, that you don't actually know it to be true. My head hurts, as well as my heart.

Just now I saw on the news (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by fishcamp on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:02:29 PM EST

that Trump's approval rating among Republicans is 91%. Do they not understand the Constitution of the United States of America?

The don't care. (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:51:18 PM EST

Most have no idea what the US Constitution says, other than the 2nd Amendment. They never get around to reading the rest.

I remember seeing a poll many years ago, where they showed snippets from the Constitution to people on the street to read. Most could not identify what document the snippets came from. Many thought it was a "communist" document.

Americans, are by and large, incredibly uninformed and stupid. Bone Spurs thrives on stupid.


Hard to believe (none / 0) (#7)
by jmacWA on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:29:48 PM EST

I find this number hard to believe, they must have a way of sampling only those Republicans who are pro trump. I am hard pressed to believe that if I put 100 Republicans in the room 91 of them are going to support Trump


You must not (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:49:35 PM EST

know many Repbulicans. I could easily gather 10 Republicans in a room and have 9 of them support Trump.


Something like that. (none / 0) (#9)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:40:15 PM EST

There are now only about 25% identify as republican. Down from the 30s before Trump.

You would imagine the ones left are more or less fully onboard

So it's not that surprising that of the 25% still willing to publicly admit it are Trump to the core

I don't know if they are surveying "leaners" but I think not.


My (none / 0) (#15)
by FlJoe on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:03:19 PM EST

got feeling is that anti-tRump Republicans prefer to self identify as independents at this point in time.


: Yes (none / 0) (#17)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:07:59 PM EST

And even some who are not anti trump but still have the dregs of a sense of shame
And more than a few are flipping totally
Several high profile Rs have said or written vote against republicans in 18

: Likely answer (none / 0) (#20)
by jmacWA on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 05:04:36 AM EST

This is probably it... the sane republicans no longer admit it and are now independents

And like clockwork, the U.S. Supreme Court ... (5.00 / 5) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 02:04:40 PM EST

... by a 5-4 majority in Trump v. Hawaii just gave the Trump administration license to discriminate against minorities based upon prejudice.

Chief Justice Roberts' tortured logic is highly reminiscent of earlier infamous legal justifications for discrimination, which offered a procedural rationale such as public safety for Jim Crow laws.

Let Justice Kennedy's limp-dicked concurrence, in which he laments the direction Trump is taking the country but says the Court's hands are tied, forever stand as exemplary of mealy-mouthed jurisprudence in the face of evil. As for Justices Sotomayor and Ginsburg, they rocked in their dissents as usual. God bless them.

And as for me, well, I blame our own civility for bringing us here. Having a polite discussion and reasoned debate, while Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell stole Merrick Garland's SCOTUS nomination from President Barack Obama, is what gave us today's appalling decision in Trump v. Hawaii.

It makes me incensed to watch fellow Democrats like Davis Axelrod and Chuck Schumer upbraid a true warrior like Congresswoman Maxine Waters over her perceived lack of decorum, as Justice Neil Gorsuch -- the most obvious consequence of Democrats' commitment to "civility" -- stands poised to deliver some of the most devastating blows to Americans' civil rights in decades with his deciding vote on the conservative SCOTUS majority.

Former President Obama has a great many strengths. But frankly, his almost obsessive insistence upon political civility and bipartisanship has had some unintended but nevertheless damaging (and perhaps long-lasting) consequences for our country, in the face of an unscrupulous and unprincipled opposition that sees civility as a sign of weakness, and now seeks to run the table.

Aloha.

: It's being noted by some media outlets ... (5.00 / 4) (#25)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 02:55:11 PM EST

... that Chief Justice Roberts also availed himself of an opportunity afforded by Justice Sotomayor's fiery dissent to this particular decision to finally strike down the horrid 1944 SCOTUS opinion in Korematsu v. U.S., which at the time upheld the internment of 120,000 Japanese Americans as unconstitutional. So I looked and sho' nuff, there it is:

"The dissent's reference to Korematsu, however, affords this Court the opportunity to make express what is already obvious: Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided, has been overruled in the court of history, and -- to be clear -- 'has no place in law under the Constitution.'"
Which means, of course, that we can all now look forward to the day 75 years from now, when a furure Supreme Court ruling will perhaps also lament and repudiate Roberts' majority opinion upholding Trump's Muslim ban in Trump v. Hawaii as similarly "[having] no place in law under the Constitution.'"
Aloha.

asylum (1.67 / 3) (#26)
by thomas rogan on Thu Jun 28, 2018 at 03:38:57 PM EST

Asylum seekers usually leave the "unsafe" country and stop in the "safe" country". Mexico is a safe country if things are really so bad in Honduras. Or do people here really think that every Syrian and African who wants to move to Germany should be allowed to go straight there and wait to have their asylum application processed?
By the way, I'm sure that no one would object if Trudeau welcomed these migrants and they were transported to Canada through the US since Mexico seems to get a free pass to be a conduit for refugees.

: Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#27)
by FlJoe on Thu Jun 28, 2018 at 03:59:40 PM EST

dudes, like all that "land of the free", "shining city on the hill" crap was just bs.
Why do you hate the USA?

: asylum (none / 0) (#28)
by linea on Fri Jun 29, 2018 at 10:43:23 PM EST

According to international law, persons cannot `asylum shop.' If you fly from Congo to Canada you can request asylum from Canada. But you can't fly from Kinshasa to Ottawa, rent a car to drive across the US border, and then request asylum from the US.

: Oh!! (none / 0) (#29)
by linea on Fri Jun 29, 2018 at 11:03:29 PM EST

But `asylum' isn't the same as immigration and I feel that legal immigration to the US should at a minimum be tripled from 1 million to a more realistic 3.5 million annually (that's only a 1% increase in population). My opinion.

: 3 because you has some excellent points (none / 0) (#30)
by linea on Fri Jun 29, 2018 at 11:43:03 PM EST

But a few minor points that I quibble with.
Re: `Or do people here really think that every Syrian and African who wants to move to Germany should be allowed to go straight there...?'
Yes. Every Syrian and African (that's actually a continent not a country) should go straight to Germany. THAT'S WERE THE JOBS ARE!! Germany has been a multicultural nation importing industrial workers for the last seventy-five (75) years!
MY OPINION

: So they should either ... (none / 0) (#31)
by Yman on Sat Jun 30, 2018 at 08:11:31 AM EST

... stop at the first safe country they hit (Mexico - heh) or they should keep going a couple thousand + more miles to Canada, just a long as you don't have to deal with them.
Heh.

I agree (none / 0) (#2)
by linea on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 05:41:14 PM EST

Obviously his pet fetish of is unconstitutional. But even the Trump & Sessions mandatory criminal enforcement policy ignores asylum laws and ignores the serious issue of sex trafficking of women and children and the international agreements and US laws (admittedy few) that have been put in place to protect victims.

my concern and the concern of (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by Jeralyn on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 10:15:40 PM EST

TalkLeft is not victims, but those accused of wrongdoing. The accused have rights that need to be protected. That is the essential mission of TalkLeft.

Trump is falsely stereotyping Mexicans, Hondurans, and those from other Central American countries as criminals. Most of those attempting to enter the U.S. are fleeing violence in their home countries and hoping for a better life for themselves and their children. Trump thinks he is making us safer by taking away rights we all have. He's wrong. He is making us less free, and it's up to us to stop him and his ilk in Congress through the courts and voting box.

If you are concerned about those victims, I suggest you turn your attention to the official complicity in trafficking crimes, mainly by local police and other local authorities. There's no reason to tie the issue to those trying to enter the U.S. without proper papers.

Your comment is a distraction from the topic I am writing about. Please save it for an open thread.


: sorry (none / 0) (#4)
by linea on Sun Jun 24, 2018 at 11:02:01 PM EST

I was thinking of those cases where sex-trafficked women and children are bought across the border and are later arrested and (wrongly, in my opinion) not considered victims but rather treated like criminals by the courts. I didn't mean to be off-topic.

Trump and most of us knew the caravan (none / 0) (#5)
by fishcamp on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 01:46:27 PM EST

of Central American people were moving towards the U S border for months. Their position was posted in the news daily. He had ample time to gather prosecutors and judges to handle the situation and he did not do that. Now he is trying to blame the Democrats and anybody else but himself for the problem. As we all know the situation has become horrible for the separated families, and now his latest idea of sending the people back immediately is unconstitutional as Jeralyn has said. I just don't understand how his approval rating can be so high. What has happened to the original concept of our democracy?

Very true, however (none / 0) (#8)
by fishcamp on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:37:26 PM EST

I had a few friends over for dinner last night and two of them were Republicans. One asked me to name one thing Trump has done wrong, and the other stuck with him. These were seemingly normal fishermen that I've known for a long time.

Did you? (none / 0) (#10)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:41:05 PM EST

I ask because I know (none / 0) (#11)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:42:13 PM EST

Some of them too and the one thing they would probably never do is tell me to name one thing


Me either (none / 0) (#12)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 02:48:31 PM EST

They never ask me what Trump has done wrong. They attempt to gaslight me with Trump is the greatest president ever as if repeating a lie over and over will somehow convince me like it did them.


: Ha, yeah (none / 0) (#16)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:05:10 PM EST

Telling me to name one thing would be like asking for a dentists drill with no novacaine

No, it was too difficult (none / 0) (#22)
by fishcamp on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 06:50:24 AM EST

to come up with just one thing Trump has done wrong.


Hey fishcamp, (none / 0) (#18)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 03:17:12 PM EST

off topic, but a fishing friend and neighbor of mine won the Ladies Tarpon Fly Tournament in Islamorada last month.


Many Tarpon out there (none / 0) (#21)
by fishcamp on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 06:47:51 AM EST

this year sarc, and since they arrived a bit late they will be here until the middle of July. It will be too hot for me then. I only chased and caught three Tarpon on fly this year.


: I'd be happy with 3! :-) (none / 0) (#23)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 26, 2018 at 10:29:20 AM EST

It does get hot down there.

take heart (none / 0) (#19)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 at 04:20:26 PM EST

Toomy Takes on Trump - We've crossed a rubicon

oh, never mind. hes talking about tarriffs