Don, Jr. Reportedly Wants to End Secret Service Protection

The Washington Post reports Donald Trump, Jr reportedly wants to give up his secret protection service -- he wants more privacy. It's unclear whether he is also asking that protection be ended for his wife and five children.

Why the children?

Rich Staropoli, a former member of the Trump administration and former Secret Service agent, said one frustration has been that the Secret Service has been sending a rotating set of temporary agents to staff the details of Trump Jr.’s young children.

“Every few weeks they get new people,” Staropoli said. “There are all these new people coming and going. The kids don’t like that. They can’t get comfortable with someone they don’t know.”

Why do they have to be "comfortable" with them? Secret Service agents aren't members of the family or babysitters, they are hired guards. On the other hand, I think he's right to be angry that this happened: [More...]

Trump Jr. also privately fumed about an incident involving his son Donald III’s detail agents in March. The president’s grandson was being chauffeured by agents in an SUV. He awoke to find two agents had been taking pictures of themselves with him while he had been sleeping.

Ah, the problems of the rich and infamous.

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    Children don't get to pick their parents and grandparents. For those agents to have allegedly photographed themselves with Donald Trump III without anyone's knowledge and approval, as though the boy is an animal on display at the zoo, was very unprofessional.

    The Secret Service... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 03:37:27 PM EST
    are probably feeling a bit like animals on display at the zoo next to the orange orangutan exhibit.

    My question is who lets their 8 year old kid ride in a car with strangers from Westchester to Manhattan?  Where's his mother and/or father?  It's Secret Service protection, not f*ckin' daycare.

    Hire a babysitter for your II's, III's, & IV's ya cheap bastards!


    Well, Sasha was 8 when her dad was elected. (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 04:19:16 PM EST
    I gotta think the SS shuttled her and her sister around at times w/o either parent present...

    ... is not the president, nor is his wife the first lady. I don't know why Trump's adult children and their families get Secret Service protection. But they do, and therefore agents need to act professionally and not creep out a young boy like that. Regardless of how I feel about Trump and his grown children, I consider his 11-year-old son Barron and his young grandchildren to be totally out of bounds as far as criticism or anything else is concerned. As I said, these kids didn't get to choose their families, and they need to be allowed to just be kids.

    my opinion (none / 0) (#15)
    by linea on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 10:01:24 PM EST
    barron and melania (married 12 years!) are both off-limits but it seems a few haters are determined to find a woman and child to pick on.  i agree that adult children (30-plus) should not get s.s. protection or be given a pass on their political views.

    "Haters" - heh (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:21:09 PM EST
    barron and melania (married 12 years!) are both off-limits but it seems a few haters are determined to find a woman and child to pick on

    Of course children are of limits.  Oddly enough, however, merely being a female does not make someone exempt from criticism, no matter how thin or "posh" they are.  Melania entered the public arena when she started promoting her husband's candidacy, and even before that when she was pushing the r@cist birther conspiracy theory on national TV.  Sorry, but in the real world being a woman doesn't make you immune to criticism, and even a man can criticize a woman without being sexist.


    BTW - "Married twelve years!" (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:25:12 PM EST
    Exclamation point!

    Why is that remotely notable, or even significant?


    12 years! And the bond is only getting stronger. (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by vml68 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 04:47:03 PM EST
    The love and respect in that relationship is palpable. You go sit down.

    Malaria? (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 04:58:05 PM EST

    these violent delights have violent ends, now go sit down.


    The handshake cam! (none / 0) (#36)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 06:51:49 PM EST
    Hadn't seen that latest PDA from Donald and Melania - must be one helluva prenup.

    REALLY? (none / 0) (#43)
    by linea on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 12:21:30 AM EST
    by vml68
    You go sit down.

    "you should walk off that stage, and all the way back to slovenia."

    you think that's funny? ha, ha, she has a funny accent? ha ha, go back to slovenia? seriously, am i the only adult in the room?


    Depends on which room you're in, (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 07:48:10 AM EST
    I guess, but sometimes it just means you are the only person in the room, and the fact that you are also an adult is just a coincidence.   Sometimes, when you are the only person in the room, you can convince yourself that you are right and it's everyone else who is wrong.

    All I know about the Trumps is what I read, see and hear from the outside: I don't know any of them.  They are not my friends or even my acquaintances.  

    So, that being said, I fail to see what Melania Trump has contributed to the country in her role as First Lady since her husband took the oath of office.  She has allegedly made cyber-bullying her "cause," but I have to question just how sincere and deep her interest is given that she doesn't seem to have done much other than mention it in a very few speeches.  Talk, as they say, is cheap.

    And then there's the other obvious disconnect: the woman who says she wants to end cyber-bullying is married to an unrepentant and enthusiastic master of cyber-bullying.  She is married to a mean, petty, narcissistic, misogynistic, controlling and corrupt brat who just happens to be rolling in dough.  I'm sorry, but who we choose as life partners says something about who we are, and the conclusions to be drawn from who Melania has chosen reflect - not very well - on her character.

    From the outside, she and her husband do not seem to have a particularly affectionate relationship, and on more than one occasion, Melania has rejected what appear to be awkward efforts by her husband to mimic the genuine affection other world leaders and their spouses have shown each other.

    I have been married for 37 years, linea, and my husband and I don't shake hands, for heaven's sake.  Name me any other president who would have shaken his wife's hand before telling her to "go sit down now."  That was as revealing as it was bizarre, reinforcing people's impression that this is not a love-match marriage as much as it is a man needing a beautiful woman who knows her place to prove his own worth as a man, and a woman who, if she plays her cards right, will never have to worry about money.  

    Most of the time, Melania appears to just barely be tolerating whatever public events she has been required to attend.  She does not seem to have mastered even the rudiments of "fake it till you make it."

    My personal opinion is that this is a woman who never in a million years thought her husband would actually be elected, and assumed that after his effort failed, she could go back to her life as usual.  Now, she's stuck for the next maybe-4 years and her displeasure with that turn of events shows.  Bigly.

    Their child is not fair game.  Donald's adult children, to the extent they are choosing roles in the administration, or roles in the Trump organization, very much are.

    Finally, I think you've completely misinterpreted what Kimmel said.  He didn't say "walk all the way back to Slovenia" because he wants her to go away, he said it because he thinks she should have tken the opportunity to escape from this execrable, odious "man."


    Not her accent (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:14:43 AM EST
    But the fact she has done nothing as First Lady.

    If you were an adult, you would have taken a (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 12:37:26 PM EST
    deep breath, stepped back and read the responses from everyone here calmly, instead of the constant emotional, irrational, lashing out.

    I don't care that Melania has an accent. Everyone in my family has a "funny" accent. As Anne said, the "go back to Slovenia" comment was a way to suggest to Melania to get as far away from Tr*mp as possible, not a "get out of my country" statement.

    I don't care if Melania married Tr*mp for money or a GC or (impossible for me to believe) love. Her life, her choice. But, the minute they brought up Bill Clinton's infidelities during the campaign, discussion of the Tr*mps marriage became fair game.

    The minute she backed her husbands's birther bullsh!t on national TV, she opened the door to questions about how she got her GC and proof thereof.

    As everyone has mentioned, her anti cyber bullying stance is beyond ridiculous considering she is married to the poster child for bullying.

    "By our own example we must teach children to be good stewards of the world they will inherit," Trump said at a luncheon she hosted for the spouses of world leaders at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations. "We must remember that they are watching and listening. . . . As adults we are not merely responsible. We are accountable." [SNIP}
    "No child should ever feel hungry, stalked, frightened, terrorized, bullied, isolated or afraid, with nowhere to turn," Trump said. She added: "We must teach each child the values of empathy . . . kindness, mindfulness, integrity and leadership which can only be taught by example."

    I am awestruck by the sheer hubris/cluelessness she displayed by directing these comments to the rest of the world rather than at the person who needs to hear it the most. The man she married.


    For Donald Trump... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:42:06 PM EST
    that is quite an accomplishment actually.  3 more years and Melania will tie Ivana's record for this particular brand of suffering.  She's already doubled Marla's time served.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:57:26 PM EST
    Although, after a certain age, he's probably gotten tired of swapping out trophy wives.  Not so impressive for her, though.  Wonder how long she'd suck with him if he lost all his money ...

    "stick" with him (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:58:49 PM EST
    Although, sometimes autocorrect nails it.

    "I ain't sayin' she's a golddigger... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:59:31 PM EST
    but she ain't messin' with no broke n*ggas."

    - Kanye West


    Is it PC for you to (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 10:50:25 AM EST
    post this quote?  No, in my opinion.

    I can write a rhyme... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:20:57 AM EST
    bout Trump to even things out if you like, didn't mean to just pick on the ladies side of these equations.

    " I ain't saying he's shallow-minded, but he ain't messin' with no plus sizes."

    - kdog


    I was referring to a (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 04:44:33 PM EST
    McArab using the final word in your quotation.

    are we not allowed (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 04:55:05 PM EST
    to quote rap songs?



    Don't know. I found (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 05:41:57 PM EST
    it jarring.

    i think (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 05:52:23 PM EST
    its a legitimate question.  i was not horrified by Maher using the word.  but how far does this go?  really?

    when quoting a rapper do we use a "-" for every letter instead of doing what kdog did?

    just sayin


    Oh... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 05:52:26 PM EST
    My bad Oc.

    She'll stick with him long enough to (none / 0) (#31)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 02:41:45 PM EST
    get the max out of the pre-nup, is my guess...

    Will uld like to read the pre-nup. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 02:51:40 PM EST
    Geez, he's almost dead (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 03:50:35 PM EST
    At least 25% senile today. No need to get all riled up. He gets lost on the way to the plane. Soon he won't know when he last saw you, he'll just be grateful to see you :) Go Melania....be an immigrant who "got some" from this wicked POS.

    I forgive Melania. I don't think she was even certain what he was saying for the first seven years.


    Your opinion (5.00 / 6) (#40)
    by Towanda on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:29:49 PM EST
    is only halfway to sensible.

    The Third Mrs. Trump is not exempt from criticism, as she has put herself into politics with her appearances on talk shows, at rallies, and now on the world stage in speaking at the UN today, all to speak in support of her spouse's policies and prattling.

    And that goes at least as far back as five years ago, when she went on nationwide TV to support her spouse's birther crusade.

    Your continued fandom for her is revealing about you, you know.


    It seems to me, (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:37:06 AM EST
    that for the last 12 years, the Trump's have been peas in a pod....love birds made for each other, contributing nothing positive to the country: She in her posh dresses and he paling around with Russians. But, all very adult-like, no tire swings in sight.

     She agrees and justifies Trump
    , as indicated in her affirmation of Trump's tweet about Joe and Mika in which Trump calls Mika, "Crazy Mika"... (at Mar a Lago) "she was bleeding from a face lift."  Melania's spokesperson repeat an earlier quote: "as the first lady has stated publicly in the past, when her husband gets attacked, he will punch back 10 times harder."

    This was, I believe, your first (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:46:55 AM EST
    comment on this thread, and in it, you manufactured an issue that, up to the point where you commented, wasn't there.

    Did you not understand that it was Donald, Jr. who had asked to end the Secret Service protection?  And it was his children - the president's grandchildren - who were being discussed?

    Either way, no one picked on Melania or Barron, so your comment that

    it seems a few haters are determined to find a woman and child to pick on
    seems gratuitous at best, and trollish at worst.  And "trollish" may be more accurate, because it had the same effect as lighting a match to a can of gasoline and lobbing it into the crowd.

    So, you brought up Melania, and then proceeded to lash out at anyone who wasn't appropriately respectful of her 12-year marriage, or her immigration status - about which, there are still questions, and for which she has so far refused/declined to release the actual records.

    I hope you realize that the reason people speculate about her marriage is because of the qualities of the person she married, which are on constant, ugly display.  And those qualities were widely known long before they got married, so it's not like what we're seeing now is something new.  Maybe she would say that he may have had horrible things to say about other women, but he never said those things to her.  Maybe she would say that the private Trump is the "real" Trump, but you can't blame people for not finding that believable.

    He had money, and he had citizenship, and he seems to have wanted a wife whose looks and younger age validated his worth - that seems to be his history.  He cheated on Ivana with Marla Maples, he dumped her before the 4-year anniversary that would have guaranteed her more under the pre-nup. He's bragged about his and Melania's sex life.  He's made salacious comments about his own daughter, for God's sake.  And he's made these comments, about his wife and daughter, and all the other ugly ones about other women, proudly and publicly, which makes it eminently fair to express opinions about the marriage.

    Each apparently had something the other wanted, and wanted badly enough to make it legal.  

    In the meantime, it isn't serving you well to call people petty and haters for doing so (which is the "personal insult" to which oculus referred).


    IT'S NOT POLITICS (1.00 / 1) (#42)
    by linea on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:51:48 PM EST
    some people are petty azzholes who pick on the wives and children of politicians they hate. and some don't.

    sad to say i'm one of the few adults in the room.


    it takes a "victim" (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 06:16:40 AM EST
    to know a "victim"

    MY PERSPECTIVE (none / 0) (#44)
    by linea on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 12:51:51 AM EST
    W BUSH green-lighted torture, physical abuse, sexual degradation, and sexual abuse. His policies opened the door to horrific acts of torture, rape, sodomy, the torture and rape of wives of the people they sought, and the brutalization and rape of children in front of their mothers and other women. W BUSH is a monster who should have been brought to the Hague court of justice for war crimes.

    yet LAURA BUSH with a MASTERS DEGREE is never criticized.

    i know why a few haters here pick on melania and i don't like it.


    I wouldn't say Laura Bush was never criricized (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 02:24:10 AM EST
    I saw a few criticisms of her. Her "project" was literacy though, it wasn't an effort to stop online bullying while her husband was the biggest online bully the world has ever known. Laura Bush did not steal anyone's speech either.

    Feel free to be specific (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:45:16 AM EST
    i know why a few haters here pick on melania and i don't like it

    Be specific about who and why, with examples, and I'll be happy to set you straight.  Because, quite frankly, I'm sick of your lies and putting false words in my mouth.  


    Why is every conversation with you an (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 09:19:18 AM EST
    apples and oranges ordeal?  

    First of all, reducing wholly valid analysis and criticism of Melania as "picking on" her is a dishonest attempt to invalidate that criticism.  Try actually refuting the opinions with some facts that support your own opinion.

    Second, I don't understand why you think you know something other than what many of us have detailed as the basis fur our opinions about Melania - and I really don't know why you didn't share this secret knowledge.  

    For myself, I don't "hate" Melania - I just think she finds being First Lady not to her liking, and doesn't care if it shows.  While she does sometimes seem like someone being held hostage, all I can say is, she made her bed and it isn't our fault if the mattress is lumpy and riddled with bedbugs.  

    And for what it's worth, George Bush is all as you described, but from a public standpoint, Laura Bush isn't any more responsible for his presidential decisions than Melania will be for Trump's.  Laura did not, however, acquit her public role as First Lady as if she were a pouty brat being forced to do something she didn't want to do, which is the vibe I, at least, get from Melania.  And if Laura Bush's interests as First Lady were about the anti-war effort and human rights, plenty of jokes and criticism would have been directed at her, trust me.  


    That's not "sad" (none / 0) (#50)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:40:26 AM EST
    It's just funny.  Laughable.  Ridiculous.  False.  Insane.

    "[O]ne of the few adults in the room." (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 10:53:11 AM EST
    LOL! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 05:30:28 PM EST
    I'm sure glad I stayed out of this Melania Trump kerfuffle. But now that the shooting appears to have died down, and at the risk of throwing gasoline on the smoldering embers, I would merely note that Melania was of legal age when she first came to this country 21 years ago, and it was her decision to:
    • Emigrate from Slovenia to the United States in the first place;

    • Get into modeling, including doing a soft-core nude lesbian photo shoot back in the day -- and no, I will not provide a link out of respect to our host, but it's out there in the late Uncle Ted Steven's series of tubes known as the internet if you choose to Google / Bing it;

    • Get involved with a married right-wing philandering billionaire who's nearly 25 years her senior;

    • Agree to become that married right-wing philandering billionaire's third wife after he dumped Wife No. 2;

    • Bear that right-wing philandering billionaire's fifth child (NOTE: And she was pregnant with Barron when he was recorded on that "Access Hollywood" tape with Billy Bush);

    • Give cover to that right-wing philandering billionaire's racist birther campaign against a sitting President of the United States who also so happens to be African American, thus opening herself to increased public scrutiny vis a vis her own legal status as an immigrant; and

    • Give a nationally televised speech at the GOP convention that had clearly been plagiarized in part from then-First Lady Michelle Obama's own speech to the 2008 Democratic Convention eight years earlier, which again opened herself up to national ridicule -- in particular, Tony-winning Broadway actress Laura Benanti's devastatingly hilarious caricature of her the following evening on "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert."

    And as an adult who's responsible for her own decisions, whatever public criticism Melania Trump receives is fair game, absolutely and without question, even if it is admittedly sometimes a little over the top. She's a big girl, and in my estimation, any woman who dares to wear blindingly hot pink in public is certainly more than capable of handling herself in the public eye.



    Fair enough. (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:28:48 AM EST
    This is a grandchild, not the president's child (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 08:00:26 AM EST
    that lives with them in the WH, those special circumstances requiring different then normal driving arrangements. And I would bet that Michelle's mother, who lived with them in the WH for just that purpose, was with those children 99% of the time they were being driven around.

    Not excusing the SS behavior, that is entirely out of bounds and grounds  and should be punished. But how did Jrs kids get places before his father was elected? what should that change? It does seem to me he was using the SS as 'staff'.

    Fine with me if he signs a waiver letting the gov off the hook. Then he can meet his foreign agents in peace.


    My thoughts exactly... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 08:52:31 AM EST
    I'd also wager Michelle Obama's mother would not be having that...I know my momma wouldn't, she'd kill me!  

    A 13 year old ok, but an 8 year old?  I would think it would be very traumatic for a kid that young to be pawned off on some guys with guns and an earbud, even if the Secret Service agents behaved 100% appropriately.


    comment too fast and mistakenly thought we were talking about Barron...

    No worries... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:38:26 PM EST
    I think we all agree treating your 8 year old like a parcel package is not kosher regardless of the party affiliation of the perpetrating parents;)

    Those dudes have always been animals on display (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 07:04:14 PM EST
    That is part of the job. The detail around Presidents are huge dudes. GIANT imposing intimidating projected protection. The guys on W's detail were two of him each and at least 6.5 feet tall, no necks. I didn't know such guys came in twos and threes.

    I can't be sure, but I suspect that (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:50:16 AM EST
    being carted around by the help is SOP in the Trump family, so while on the surface it seems weird and cold, the rich are, as they say, different.

    Also not sure what the protocol is for protection of those who are adults and not members of the immediate family, but I would imagine there's always a greater risk of kidnapping where children of important and allegedly rich people are concerned.

    My thinking is, these people can well afford whatever security or help they need, so they don't need the taxpayers to foot the bill for it.


    Jeralyn, "preportedly" in post title (none / 0) (#2)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 02:38:23 PM EST
    should be "reportedly."

    Knew what you meant, but it kind of leaped off the page at me.

    It's a curse...

    Or, she could have been (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Zorba on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 03:08:42 PM EST
    thinking about "purportedly."

    Geez, where's my dictionary? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 06:03:39 PM EST
    I have learned more on this blog than 16 years of schooling.  Now since we look everything up on our devices I don't think I even know my times tables anymore.  Glad I took typing though.

    I know (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 07:05:06 PM EST
    Zorba IS a dictionary.

    Hee, hee! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Zorba on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 07:23:00 PM EST
    Not really, but thank you!  😄

    Ha! I wonder what your GRE (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 08:17:51 PM EST
    Vocabulary score is?

    Hey, people are inventing new (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 07:54:23 AM EST
    mashup words all the time. Maybe she meant reportedly purported.

    Geez, where's my dictionary? (none / 0) (#8)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 06:04:08 PM EST
    I have learned more on this blog than 16 years of schooling.  Now since we look everything up on our devices I don't think I even know my times tables anymore.  Glad I took typing though.

    Yep, post hurricane trauma... (none / 0) (#9)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 06:05:09 PM EST
    Well, except for her writing this: (none / 0) (#19)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:18:30 AM EST
    The Washington Post reports Donald Trump, Jr reportedly wants to give up his secret protection service -
    in the first line of the post...unless she also misspelled it there and changed it, as well.

    thanks Anne (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:21:10 PM EST
    I fixed it. I don't know how the "p" got there.

    Off topic comments about Melania (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 27, 2017 at 12:18:35 AM EST
    deleted. Please stay on topic