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    Yes yes "Assad must go" (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 07:45:09 PM EST
    but almost nary a word about the regime in Saudi Arabia, which makes human right's organization's worst of the worst list year after year.

    Sean Spicer has resigned. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 11:10:11 AM EST
    He opposed the appointment of Anthony Scaramucci as the new WH communications director and resigned over it.

    I must admit I did not think Spicer had anything resembling this much spine. Ev n Spicer has a bridge too far.

    Sorry, Melissa McCarthy. It was a great gig while it lasted.

    I bet that (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 01:14:14 PM EST
    Melissa could do a fine job parodying Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
    Oh heck, you and I could probably do a fine job parodying Sarah.  Just scrunch up your face and sneer a lot.
    Of course, the press briefings are now off-camera, so Melissa would have less to work with.
    (And what's with the spineless reporters?  They should all just walk out and refuse to cover these briefings of they are not allowed to film or record them.)

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    she has that thing (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 02:53:13 PM EST
    where if you hide one half of her face and mirror it the two faces look like completely different people.

    the two sides of her face are totally different.  my mother always sad that was the face of a conflicted person.

    or in her case a stroke maybe.

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    she has that thing where you're not sure (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:26:08 PM EST
    which eye to look at when she's talking to you because they look in two different directions.

    Pretty sure she hears, "Me?  Are you talking to me?" a lot, because people aren't sure she's talking to them, or to someone to one side or the other.

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    ha (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:29:21 PM EST
    thats true

    I hadnt noticed that part until i looked at that pic i just linked to

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    I have the same (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:55:39 PM EST
    Feeling when I look at Wisconsin governor Scott Walker speaking.  I can't tell exactly what or whom he is looking at.


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    It is somewhat surprising (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 12:44:58 PM EST
    that Trump would find Miss Huckabee S. to be an acceptable spokesperson for him.  Trump was, reportedly, unsatisfied with Spicey's fashion sense (e.g., his ill-fitting suits, haphazard tie knots).  All of which were put to satirically devastating use by Melissa McCarthy.

    Similarly, Miss Huckabee S. is nobody's Ivanka. Actually, a little ill- kempt. But the ocular deftness is an advantage in watching tennis matches.  

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    Was thinking the same thing (none / 0) (#75)
    by Yman on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 01:25:43 PM EST
    ... when she made her first appearance.  Wonder how long she'll last.

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    Maybe in his mind (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 02:34:45 PM EST
    He is disrespecting us.  I always thought Spicy was a sort of f-you.  He was the worst.  Like, in your face the worst.

    That would mean picking the new cute loquacious guy means, .....what.

    I have no idea.

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    Disrespecting is a (none / 0) (#84)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 04:59:37 PM EST
    good thought.  I'm sure that is what Trump intended by his table-side discussion with Putin at the G20, in full view of all the world leaders and spouses.  Surprising only in that he did not disclose that exchange of "pleasantries" sooner.  

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    Are you talking about McCarthy or (none / 0) (#31)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:19:01 PM EST
    Huckabee Sanders?

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    Huckabee (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:28:04 PM EST
    I don't think it's a stroke (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:33:11 PM EST
    It may be because she's conflicted.  Deep, deep in the depths of what is left of her soul, there may be a smidgen of realization that what she is doing is straight out lying and enabling a liar, a grifter, a user.
    Or, maybe not.  Maybe Beelzebub has completely taken her over and likes the faces that he forces her to make.
    😉

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    I don't know about that (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:29:12 PM EST
    I think it is just her bone structure. Does her dad have the same thing going on? I can't bear to look!

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    I think this is (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 03:34:19 PM EST
    a shiny object.  there is so much going on.  the "pardon talk" that started yesterday, the story that Trumps team is officially working to undermine Mueller and his team and last but not least the total implosion of the Republcan Health Care Nightmare

    but everybodys talking about poor ole Spicy and his cutsey new replacement

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    but while we are on the subject (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:10:26 PM EST
    i think Priebus is next.

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    these (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:16:08 PM EST
    CAN TRUMP PARDON HIMSELF

    The Post raises the possibility of Trump pardoning top advisers, family members and even himself

    Trump team seeks to control, block Mueller's Russia investigation

    Some of President Trump's lawyers are exploring ways to limit or undercut special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's Russia investigation, building a case against what they allege are his conflicts of interest and discussing the president's authority to grant pardons, according to people familiar with the effort.


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    In his dreams (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:00:38 AM EST
    He wishes he were a Goodfellas kind of guy.

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    I think MM on SNL (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:45:04 PM EST
    Can still do him.

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    it has been sooooo hot here (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:22:34 PM EST
    first it rained for, like, ever.  then it stopped raining and got hella hot.   when you see a weather map that giant H in the center of the country is right over my house.  i keep looking up expecting to see it.

    right now the weather underground app says the temp is 105 and the "feels like" is 123.

     123

    when it stopped raining i hoped to get all this stuff done on the house and ive only been able to be outside from first light to about 10 am.

    im really tired of going to sleep at 9pm.

    Mountain biking (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 01:13:58 PM EST
    ...just north of Liverpool, my riding companions marvel that I brought the California sun to England after heavy rain.

    Not complaining.  I would have had to ride no matter what the weather.  Gotta push the book.

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    Same here Howdy... (none / 0) (#42)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:34:03 PM EST
    I think it's actually been hotter (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 05:46:00 PM EST
    Here than farther south.   Don't know about south FL but we are definitely under the bubble.

    Still, I actually gotten a lot done.  Pics coming soon on wocky.

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    It's 80 and sunny here in Hilo. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 06:31:07 PM EST
    But it's supposed to cloud up and start raining by late afternoon. I really need to mow the yard sometime this weekend, whenever Mother Nature's amenable. It takes me about 90 minutes.

    I've also got a lot of bush pruning to do, but that can wait. It rains so much over here that everything can get overgrown pretty quickly, if we don't keep up with it -- especially in the backyard, which borders the rainforest.

    Hope you get some relief from the hot weather soon.

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    Typical (none / 0) (#48)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 06:39:28 PM EST
    Fl rainy season here, westerly steering flow has been piling up some violent but short lightning storms. There's nothing like 30-40 nearby strikes in 15 minutes.

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    A friend (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:31:06 PM EST
    of mine lives in Orlando and is going crazy having to drive through lakes to get home. Bad thing about living in a flat area is the water just sits on the road.

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    It has been crazy with the rain this week (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:38:00 PM EST
    Powerful storms almost every afternoon this week, with the very low black clouds. More intense than the ones we had almost every day in June!!!

    Soooo hot and humid, I involuntarily say 'ugh' every time I walk outside during the day. I truly hate this time of year here.

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    Only (none / 0) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:47:19 PM EST
    2 months and change left until we see some relief, I do enjoy the storms though.

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    Yes, I love watching the sky and lightning shows (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:52:28 PM EST
    That is one bright spot. Literally!

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    My friend (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 05:25:47 AM EST
    starts loathing Orlando sometime in the spring until October hits when she says it becomes nice. Last October though I seem to remember her saying the nice weather did not come as soon as previous years. She moved down there from here and I said can you handle the heat? She said it gets hot here. I said yes, it does but not for as long.  

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    It's been pretty hot here too (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:05:49 AM EST
    But I guess Alabama climatized me. I didn't think my body barometer had changed but it did. I walked 5 miles here yesterday at lunch. Didn't phase me a bit. Then we went to Dunkirk at the old refurbished movie theater in Silver Spring. Not much AC, but we didn't care. Maybe because you can have a beer there watching the movie.

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    123 (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:07:44 AM EST
    Is not "pretty hot"

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    Was that your heat index? (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:12:02 AM EST
    It's humid here too, but nothing like down South. It's like a dry humidity, not a dripping drenched humidity. Does that make sense?

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    Yes thank god (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 02:11:42 PM EST
    Heat index.  It's been terrible the last few days.  Way worse than normal.

    It's at least as hot today

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    I'm hearing the same reports from Alabama (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 04:46:00 PM EST
    The hottest summer ever, miserable.

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    It actually got to me (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    This morning. I've been getting up early to work outside and I pushed it a little to much this morning.  Started feeling sick and dizzy.

    It was freakin 9am and it was 99 according to the thermometer I have out side.  Which means the feels like was probably about 110.  Thank god for air conditioning.  'sall I can say.

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    You need to stay out of the sun, please. (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 06:12:40 PM EST
    I hope this summer doesn't kill (none / 0) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 06:59:55 PM EST
    People down South. Sounds like if your AC fritzes you could be in real danger.

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    oh god yes (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 07:05:19 PM EST
    im really really glad mine is brand new and actually still under warranty.

    i feel so bad for people who dont have air conditioning.  there are plenty.  its been in the high 80s at night.  

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    And yeah (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 05:00:53 PM EST
    Records are being broken left and right.

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    Heh, we don't have (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 01:37:16 PM EST
    AC in our house....Don't usually need it.  Just a couple of fans will carry us through until September....

    If it gets to 80 here, it feels really hot.....

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    Right now (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 01:39:20 PM EST
    coming up on noon, it's 74 degrees.  Maybe I'll go down to the beach to cool off.

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    Fish, (none / 0) (#102)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 11:46:18 AM EST
    was it you that lived on Beach Rd?

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    Yes MKS Beach Rd. (none / 0) (#113)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:19:17 PM EST
    in Capistrano Beach.  Lotta fun there except for the train

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    the powerful storms (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 08:57:24 AM EST
    were a couple of weeks ago.  i ran out of dog downers.

    more storms coming starting tomorrow.

    i am resupplied.

    and i have gotten "most" of the things done i wanted to get done before they come.

    without heat stroke.  so far.

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    Have you tried (none / 0) (#61)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 09:27:20 AM EST
    those "thunder shirts" for your pups?  They're supposed to work to calm them during thunderstorms, fireworks, etc.

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    i have (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 09:46:35 AM EST
    he absolutely hated it.  its in the closet along with the expensive bed i bought because of his joint problems.

    he hated that too.  i would make him lay on it and then when i looked back he would be laying really close to it on the floor.

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    Oh, well (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 10:19:48 AM EST
    Doggie tranquilizers it is.
    And NSAID's for his joints.

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    i will take some photos (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 10:06:40 AM EST
    at magic hour

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    Howdy, do you mean (none / 0) (#70)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:39:49 AM EST
    Golden light?

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    Sort of (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 02:10:39 PM EST
    I cant really take pics of the house except before sunrise and after sunset.

    Any time in between and the position of the sun just gives you a giant lens flare

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    Not much rain, but (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 05:49:25 PM EST
    hot as Hades here. "Feels like" temps around 105.

    Current forecast for Monday is a mere 81. A cooling trend for a couple of days.

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    I just read Jill Stein's Twitter rant (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 07:05:01 PM EST
    Jesus, she's as batsh*t crazy as Trump.

    Apparently (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:23:24 AM EST
    she is being investigated as part of the Russian election collusion. So like everybody else that is being investigated they start blaming and attacking Hillary.

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    Not everyone would have such a frail (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 08:56:58 AM EST
    Veneer of sanity. Not everyone would believe you can travel across the world to show support for a murderous dictator who became a made man through the KGB and there would never be questions she would then need to answer.

    Remember the Jill Stein support that scooted around here? I do. And she's all too obviously out of her freaking mind.

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    Just goes to show that sharing (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Anne on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:26:53 AM EST
    policy positions is not enough anymore.  I voted for Stein twice, actually, and had no idea she had this kind of thing in her.  Her sharing Trump's view that Dems made up the Russia thing to distract from Clinton's bad campaign isn't so crazy once you see her at the same table with Flynn and Putin, but, Jesus.  

    On a related note, am I the only one who wants the media to ask Trump why anyone would need a pardon from fake news?

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    There was a commenter here who had (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM EST
    Closer exposure to her who did say back then she was out of her mind. Armando also pointed out she had some pretty serious issues.

    I chalk it up to exposure. When a candidate is a more unknown quantity we can more easily place our template over the top of them when we choose. When they are a known quantity we must reconcile our well known differences with them. After this election though, I am schooled on the evils of confirmation bias.

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    She is indeed (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:35:59 AM EST
    Has a history of adhering to conspiracy theories, but this may be a new low.  Have you seen John Oliver's takedown of her?

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    Must have been you Yman (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:58:03 AM EST
    Who had actual links to Stein craziness prior to the election. Someone had them. I read some here.

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    I don't think so (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 11:05:57 AM EST
    ... but it could've been.  I was shocked by her equivocation on vaccinating, 9/11 and her complete lack of understanding of economics.

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    I remember it somewhere too, most likely here (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08:07 AM EST
    Another example of why we vote for people, not just their policy papers.

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    Well, I sure was ripping on her last year. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:46:57 PM EST
    And initially, it was for her pandering to the looney tunes anti-vax crowd while speaking in her capacity as a physician. That woman is twisted.

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    Isn't Bill Maher an anti-vaxer? (none / 0) (#129)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 09:44:12 AM EST
    Says he isn't, but ... (none / 0) (#144)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:01:48 PM EST
    ... he sure sounds like one, of the "just asking questions" type

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    I just caught Scaramooch on (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25:39 AM EST
    CNN. I can't stomach this guy.  Total BS artist.

    but (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 01:07:31 PM EST
    orders of magnitude better at it than Spicy or Sanders.

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    He's like half the guys I knew... (none / 0) (#112)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:09:21 PM EST
    in high school, in New Jersey.  A man-boy who thinks he's still in the Schwantz Athletic Club.

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    but he has the TV thing down (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:55:26 PM EST
    he is very good at it.  of course your are right.  it reeks of bullsh!t.  but its exactly what the rubes want to hear.

    not sure which appearance you saw.  did you see the discussion of having a "weekly white house tv show"

    to "talk directly to the people"?

    this comes as that right wing broadcasting company is starting to pipe Boris the Trump Tool into 70% of the homes in america on network tv to dish propaganda.  its not just talk radio or cable anymore now it network tv.

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    The Hill (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:57:47 PM EST
    Boris Epshteyn, a former communications aide to President Trump, is joining Sinclair Broadcasting Group as a political analyst.
    I am honored and grateful to be joining the distinguished and extremely talented team at Sinclair Broadcast Group," said Epshteyn. "I greatly admire Sinclair's mission to provide thoughtful impactful reporting throughout the country. I look forward to contributing my voice to the ongoing dialogue with the American people."
    The right-leaning Sinclair owns and operates 173 television stations in 81 markets.



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    here is the coverage map (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 07:14:37 PM EST
    Sinclair Broadcasting

    i think this is a very serious thing.  Sinclair intends to be the new more right wing FOX News.  

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    I agree. Serious and dangerous. (none / 0) (#124)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:55:36 PM EST
    Which explains why Trump likes him. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Anne on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 08:15:42 PM EST
    They are birds of a feather, for sure.

    Thing is, Scaramucci can profess his love for Trump, can speak of Trump in the hyperbole that feeds Trump's voracious appetite for that sort of thing, but at the end of the day, he's not family, and that makes him as disposable as the rest of the minions.

    Mooch doesn't appear to me to have a sincere bone in his body.

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    i have a solution for the Ted Cruz (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:54:38 PM EST
    amendment on healthcare.

    the one that says you can buy crappy worthless insurance if thats what you want.

    i say if it holds down prices and these dumbasses want it, give it it them.  AND change the rules so that you dont get treated in an emergency room or in any other way if you are not covered and you cant pay for it.

    sorry.  its what you wanted.  take two aspirin and f-off.

    im totally serious (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:57:20 PM EST
    im so f-in sick of these ignorant puds lined up behind Tom Price looking all defiant.

    this would only apply to adults who make their own decisions.

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    YES!!!!! (none / 0) (#148)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:29:48 PM EST
    No ER care for junk insurance adults! (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:30:17 PM EST
    I'm with you. (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:04:38 PM EST
    For 6 months this garbage has been going on. Will I have coverage as a cancer survivor or not?

    And those plans Cruz is shopping are cheesy health discount plans not insurance. You pay a monthly amount to get a discount on your medical costs.

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    Yes, junk insurance. (none / 0) (#146)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:16:22 PM EST
    High deductibles, big co-pays, and, no essential benefits standards.. exclusions permitted (e.g., what did/do you have,..that is excluded).   But, then..freedom.  A government approved scam.

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    Wherein, my child goes where my mouth is (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:31:59 PM EST
    Just the notion of the DC area comes with so many pre-existing "beliefs". Didn't I practically grow up out West parroting that DC area schools suck?

    Our first thought when we realized we were transferring our son before his senior year was that he could finish high school online. Our son looks very different, severe scoliosis, severe clubbed feet that cannot be surgically corrected. We didn't want him to have to endure ridicule away from his childhood friends. It seemed an easy instant emotional bandaid even though I secretly knew our son Josh would likely find online school a sham.

    After we arrived our landlord sent us to tour a private college prep school. It was wonderful, and it would have cost me a year's worth of college tuition for him to go, but I was willing. Alabama was not willing. The Alabama state legislature passed some bizarre law that only allows a high school transcript to be shared with another school once the student has been admitted. I can't even have it as his parent. Impossible to get admitted to one of the private schools here without your transcript. We were not able to get the Enterprise school system to comply and send it either. It was already a stretch for him to be accepted senior year, but he had lookers. Impossible without his transcript though.

    So today we looked at the online options. I let him explore it on his own too, not just at my side. His perceptions and decisions though, online high school is a sham. He is choosing to go to public school in Silver Spring, probably Springbrook it looks like.

    Once more unto the breach :) He survived 12 yrs of Alabama public schools, and they refused to allow him an IEP even though he has profound physical limitations, 30+ surgical procedures during his childhood school years, and a hearing loss :) He's been held to no special standard lest he forget where his bootstraps are. How bad can this be?

    Democrats support public education, how can you REALLY support it if your child isn't in it?  At the same time I'm not playing on the same field as everyone else because my child's diagnosis makes him qualified for SSI. Until the Republicans dismantle everything Josh could make it without me. So he can fail a little more than a healthy child...maybe? What a spectacle, dangling over different disasters :)

    Summed up, thank you Josh for your courage and your shunning of stereotyping DC area schools. When he looked at the school demographics he did ask where are all the white kids though?  Jusss sayin


    Was your (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:40:59 PM EST
    school in Alabama very white?

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    Enterprise was mostly white (none / 0) (#175)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 06:03:34 PM EST
    Heavy on the mostly.

    A small percentage of Springbrook is white. The school demographics don't seem to match the sidewalk demographics. I don't think he's worried, he's just wondering why aren't the white kids showing up for public school too? It's Maryland for cripes sake. We're all supposed to be liberals round here. This is supposed to be liberal lala land ;)

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    i think they (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:43:36 PM EST
    are in Virginia

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    Kudos to the brave and fearless Josh. (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 12:10:31 AM EST
    Boos to Alabama transcript restrictions.  

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    Let's Give Trump the Credit He Deserves (3.50 / 2) (#7)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 05:33:34 PM EST
    President Trump has ended the clandestine American program to provide arms and supplies to Syrian rebel groups, American officials said, a recognition that the effort was failing and that the administration has given up hope of helping to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
    Link.

    I'm sure if you listen hard enough, you (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Anne on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 07:07:38 PM EST
    can hear the Russians applauding...

    President Trump is shutting down the CIA's program to arm and train rebels fighting the Syrian government, The Washington Post reported Wednesday, a victory for Russia, which has called for the move for years.

    Officials told the Post that shutting down the program, begun by the Obama administration in 2013, is a sign of Trump's attempts to work with Russia, which has viewed the U.S. attempts to force out Syrian President Bashar Assad during that country's civil war as an attack on its own interests.

    [...]

    One current official told the Post that the decision is a massive concession to Moscow, saying that "Putin won in Syria."



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    You Can Hear Many Americans Applauding Too (none / 0) (#12)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 07:32:49 PM EST
    The US has no ability to figure out who is a good guy and who is a bad guy in the Muslim world.  The more we withdraw from messing with them, the less we will have to worry about terrorism directed towards us.  Do I have to recount our long history of ineptitude and failure leading to many unnecessary deaths ?  At least there is one thing in which I am in agreement with Trump.  Russia having bases in Syria is no threat.

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    "The Muslim world" ... (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 07:40:51 PM EST
    ... is not a monolith.  "Many Americans" is meaningless, and the type of language someone uses when they have no idea how many Americans agree with it.  The only ones that have won are Putin and Assad, a murderous dictator who gases women and children.

    You can applaud Trump all by yourself.

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    There is No Guarantee (none / 0) (#15)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 08:22:01 PM EST
    that US actions in Syria would lead to somebody better than Assad, as far as the Syrians and the US are concerned.  We thought we were smart to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians and look at our reward.

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    "No guarantee"? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 10:24:54 PM EST
    Really?  .  That's crazy.  You mean like, ... no kind of warranty at all???  I did not know that.  Sort of like ... by ceasing aid to the rebels, there's no guarantee that Assad won't continue the gassing and slaughter of his own people, causing millions more to flee?  Or that the US will be less of a target for ISIS because we stopped supporting the rebels fighting them?

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    And the Russians and Chinese also thought ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 10:07:24 PM EST
    ... that they were smart in supporting the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War. 40 years later, Hanoi is our friend and seeks our support in countering Chinese claims to its territorial waters and offshore islands.

    There are no long-term guarantees to anything in life, RickyJim. So, what's your point here -- that in the face of war crimes committed against non-combatants, we instead stand down, do nothing and defer to the Russians? In that regard, Trump's actions continue to make me wonder whose side HE'S really on.

    Aloha.

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    and (1.00 / 1) (#16)
    by linea on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 08:46:46 PM EST
    the u.s. proxy-war: the cia provided military training at saudi bases, massive funding of 'opposition' forces, the high-tech anti-tank weapons -- is the reason most every town is destroyed and massive numbers of refugees (virtually the entire population of the country) are trying to escape. the u.s. started all of this.

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    Are you seriously claiming ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 10:27:49 PM EST
    ... that US support for Syrian rebels caused and even started this?

    Uhmmmmm ... no.  

    It didn't.

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    Perhaps linea is speaking about Yemen ... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 01:38:13 PM EST
    ... which is also turning into a major international basket case like Syria, thanks in no small part to the proxy war being waged there against the local populace by the U.S.-supplied Saudi military, under the guise of supporting unpopular Yemeni President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi and / or combatting al-Qa'eda / ISIS / radical Islamic fundamentalism.

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    well, yes (1.00 / 1) (#55)
    by linea on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 09:14:51 PM EST
    yemen is another example of the u.s.-saudi nexus.

    about syria:

    starting in 2005 "The State Department has secretly financed Syrian political opposition groups and related projects, including a satellite TV channel that beams anti-government programming into the country." [The Washington Post,  April 17, 2011].

    since 2006, the u.s. provided syrian opposition training in cyberactivism and the cia along the saudi secret intelligence service provided guerrilla-war training in saudi arabia. while the saudis have long funded salafi opposition in syria, the funding took on a new role with cia involvement amd training.

    in february of 2011, the u.s. backed and financed opposition groups organized the "day of rage" via social media but the results were disappointing and only resulted in street protests. consequently, the u.s.-saudi trained militias and mercenaries were sent with monies and heavy weapons to start the civil war in earnest (syria's version of little green men).

    in april of 2011, president obama signed an executive order targeting assad for assasination.

    from 2012 onward we know the rest.
    wikipedia: timber_sycamore
     

    • thousands of opposition fighters were trained and equipped by the u.s.-saudi governments in an effort to topple the syrian government.
    • thousands of tons of weaponry worth billions of U.S. dollars. were delivered to opposition forces. the middle east black markets were flooded with arms.
    • approximately 50 opposition groups fighting in syria have received weapons or training through the program since late 2012 though the exact number is not known.

    so yes, the scale of the war. this is all team u.s.a.:
    400,000 dead and 5 million refugees.

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    That's simply not true, linea. (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 10:19:46 PM EST
    linea: "in april of 2011, president obama signed an executive order targeting assad for assasination. (sic)"

    Here is the archived list of President Obama's executive orders for the entirety of 2011. Only two pertain to Syria, and both have to do with sanctions placed upon the Assad regime, including the prohibition against any U.S. investment, the transfer of property to or from Syrian hands, and blocking the ability of Syrian officials to gain access to personal assets in our country.

    The carnage in Syria is entirely on the head of President Assad. We didn't put him there, we aren't the ones who've been propping him up, and we didn't compel him to deploy chemical weapons for use against his own people.

    Aloha.

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    fine (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by linea on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 11:45:37 PM EST
    ignore that part.

    i double-checked and found conflicting information. from 'secret cables and intelligence reports' dated 2009 to secret executive orders against 'senior operational leader' strikes to requesting authorization for euphamistic 'command and control' attacks in 2011.

    that's not the point,
    the point is...  ALL THE REST OF IT.

    this was a war organized by the u.s., funded by the u.s., where the u.s. trained and armed extremists with an incredible arsenal of weapons that turned syria into a hellish warzone where half a million civilians died and six million more were displaced trying to escape the nightmare.

    The carnage in Syria is entirely on the head of President Assad.
    really? i blame myself. i must be a really shitty writer if i cant get the point across that this was turned in to one of the world's biggest nightmares and humanitarian disasters by the u.s. funding and arming (billions of dollars worth of weapons including high-tech weapons) a variety of opposition and Islamist groups. and all this was planned and financed starting in 2005.


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    No, it wasn't (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Yman on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:39:54 AM EST
    this was a war organized by the u.s., funded by the u.s., where the u.s. trained and armed extremists with an incredible arsenal of weapons that turned syria into a hellish warzone where half a million civilians died and six million more were displaced trying to escape the nightmare.

    This war wasn't "organized" or started by the US.  Funding a TV station or cyber-training is not organizing a war and conflating them with providing arms to opposition forces after the war started is blatantly transparent.


    really? i blame myself. i must be a really shitty writer if i cant get the point across that this was turned in to one of the world's biggest nightmares and humanitarian disasters by the u.s. funding and arming (billions of dollars worth of weapons including high-tech weapons) a variety of opposition and Islamist groups. and all this was planned and financed starting in 2005.

    The writing isn't the problem.

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    ok (1.00 / 1) (#58)
    by linea on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 11:53:16 PM EST
    thank you.

    you did research and posted an archived list of President Obama's executive orders for the entirety of 2011. the article i read - from which i sourced that information - is less authoritative than your research. so you are right. {{ }}

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    Fail (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Yman on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:49 AM EST
    The claim about the executive order is not only false - it's laughable on it's face.  Not only would such an EO have been illegal, it would have been a major news story and not buried wherever you found it.  No idea where you're doing your "research", but you really should stick to trustworthy sources.

    I have neither the time nor inclination to bother to check the rest of your claims when you make such an easily debunked claim.  It doesn't matter anyway, since they don't support your original claim. Financing a TV station and "cyberactivism training" for opposition groups does not mean the US started (or is responsible for) the civil war and Assad's genocide.  Nor does funding opposition fighters trying to stop him after the war started.

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    ok (1.00 / 1) (#82)
    by linea on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 04:05:16 PM EST
    re: "Fail. The claim about the executive order is not only false..."

    ok. i messed up. im not an expert on syria or executive orders. i was trying to put together a mini-thesis to make my point while trying very hard to avoid the kennedy pipeline conspiracy theory and similar nonsense.

    i feel the rest of my post was very good.

    i dont feel im wrong; i feel that i am more willing to accept some level of responsibility. i feel like others are saying:

    "we trained then, we financed them, we gave them machine guns and ammunition, and TOW missile v T-90 weapons. but we have no respondibility in any of this."

    and im not ''america bashing." i am a united states citizen. i just dont understand how anyone can fail to see the absolutte complete disaster that the u.s. has caused and how they exaserbated it into the nightmare that it is.

    i mean, really! really, really!
    the actual real headlines read like a comic parody; but they are not. how is this normal?

    In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA
    [Los Angelas Times, March 27 2016]


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    "Really, really really"? (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:30:11 AM EST
    No - not really.  For the thousandth time, "feeling" something is not persuasive and doesn't make it factual.  My neighbor "feels" that Trump is the greatest POTUS ever, but his actual arguments to that effect are false.  The US did not start the Syrian civil war, and trying to conflate cyber-training and funding a TV station with starting a war is silly.  Providing weapons to rebels to stop the genocide that Assad began was a bad option, but was better than simply sitting by while he continued to gas and slaughter his own civilians.

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    really (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 01:12:42 PM EST
    But tell us (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 01:52:11 PM EST
    how you "really" "feel," Yman.  😉

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    I feel charming, oh so charming,
    It's alarming how charming I feel,
    And so pretty,
    That I hardly can believe that I'm real.

    LINK.

    That said, it's 5:20 p.m. HST, so it's time to fire up the hibachi for dinner. Tonight, it's grilled chicken breasts, basted in olive oil and sprinkled with crushed black pepper, to be served with grilled bok choi, grilled red and yellow bell peppers and a Greek pasta salad.

    Have a wonderful evening.

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    That's funny, (none / 0) (#128)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 09:34:55 AM EST
    You don't look like Natalie Wood.   ;-)
    Dinner sounds like it was excellent.  And you didn't invite any of us?

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    There's a 6-hr. time difference ... (none / 0) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:30:54 PM EST
    ... between Hawaii and Maryland. You were likely already fast asleep by the time the hibachi was hot enough for cooking.

    That time difference is why I never see "Morning Joe" on MSNBC, which CaptHowdy always cites and discusses. It airs at 12:00 midnight out here. The network evening news broadcasts air out here at 12:00 noon.

    Aloha.

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    we need (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:33:53 PM EST
    an emergency air lift of DVRs to the Pacific islands.

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    Andrey Knutskikh is applauding. (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 10:11:47 AM EST
    Knutshikh, Russian's special envoy on cyber-security, confirmed talks with the US about a joint cyber-security unit.  This grand idea was first raised, and then "dismissed" by Trump after meeting (the first publicly announced one) with Putin in Hamburg. Not unusual for Trump to change his mind; probably why Sessions isn't resigning after his NYTimes humiliation...Jeff knows how Trump well.

    A joint cyber-security unit with Russia would be like putting Betsy DeVos in charge of public education...oh wait.  Or, Scott Pruitt in charge of the environment...oh wait.  

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    John McCain (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 05:49:35 AM EST
    If these reports are true, the administration  is playing right into the hands of Vladimir Putin.  Making any concessions to Russia absent a broader strategy for Syria is irresponsible and short sighted.
    The administration has yet to articulate its vision for Syria beyond the defeat of ISIL, let alone a comprehensive approach to the Middle East....


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    I can dig... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 10:01:52 AM EST
    ceasing arms deals and arms giveaways...but there is no consistency.  Just a few months ago Cheeto was bragging about slinging weapons to the Saudis to the tune of 110 billion dollars.  WTF?  

    Which leads one to believe this Syria decision is just Cheeto being Pootie's b&tch again.

    When there is a complete and total moratorium on selling or giving away weapons to anybody I will be the first to pat the president on the back.  

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    Now Even Schumer Says It (3.50 / 2) (#158)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:43:02 PM EST
    "When you lose to somebody who has 40% popularity, you don't blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself," Schumer, the top ranking Democrat in the Senate, told The Washington Post over the weekend. "So what did we do wrong? People didn't know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that."
    Outside of this Blog, I've read very few defenders of the Clinton campaign recently.  Link

    Senator Schumer (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 06:09:59 PM EST
    is not entirely correct in his analysis, in my view.  Mrs. Clinton has blamed herself, saying "I take absolute responsibility."

     I believe her additional statements were intended to introduce other explanatory factors, including the Russian interference, Comey's last minute intervention (Trump's nominee for FBI Director, Chris Wray, testified that Comey's handling of the email matter was not appropriate and not in accord with DOJ rules, and, of course, was the initial reason stated by Trump for firing Comey), and the impact of misogyny.

    The eleventh hour frolic of Comey is considered to have been a factor, especially when associated, albeit tangentially, with Wiener. Hard to turn that clock back, with his clearance, once again, a day before the election.  

    We have yet to find out the full extent of the Russian/Trump collusion and interference. So, it may be premature to attempt to dismiss that as a factor.

    And, misogyny was at play, and may have underpinned that "economic anxiety," along with other biases. These possibilities can't be ruled out, particularly in such a close election.

    It is unfair, too, of Schumer to claim that people did not know "what we stood for."  Where were the Democrats out front defending the "dreaded" Obamacare, or all the progressive messages of the Democratic platform. Schumer needs to reconcile Democrats commitment to equity and equality with the dog whistles of Trump.

     And, as it has become so abundantly clear, standing against Trump was of existential importance. A primal concern. The people were warned, and they persisted....and, now we have a clown and a circus.  And, national security risk in the presidency.

    The Democrats have come up with a lame slogan.  They should adopt: Democrats in 2018 if you want to live in a democracy, or even, just live.

    Of course the Clinton campaign made mistakes, all campaigns do.  Easy to come with a few: Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA.  Tim Kaine hurt by not helping; he would have been a good governing partner, but Mrs. Clinton needed to get out the vote.  Xavier Becerra or Elijah Cummings, might have been better in that department.

    Democrats lost, but Trump does not seem to believe it.  He still smarts and is delusional over the popular vote.  But, he is President of the Republicans, so there is that.

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    i actually worried (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 06:18:02 PM EST
    that Schumer, who IMO has the charisma of a hemorrhoid, will lead the democrats in another spectacular example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victroy.

    i hate the slogan.  i really hate it.  and while its just a slogan i think it is also a warning flare.  

    im really afraid these people are not up to it.

    i hope to god im wrong.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#178)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 06:47:31 PM EST
    I feel the same way you do. Schumer has the timing of an I don't know what.

    There are plenty of idea people out there. Schumer probably thought this up himself and thought it was a great idea.

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    Yes, I don't know, (none / 0) (#182)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 07:55:32 PM EST
    what Schumer thought he had to gain on calling Hillary out.  It is not productive and only served to help do Trump's work of distracting from the Trumpian disaster du jour. Schumer should be able to build without tearing down.  And, he needs to be focusing on McConnell's shenanigans on health care, and, also, to be developing a strategy for countering a possible firing of Mueller.  

    Democrats have not been all that kind to losing candidates...McGovern, President Carter, Mondale, Dukakis.  Kerry went back to the senate and was picked up as Sec of State.  Nothing to gain in this, other than to study the past to help with the future.

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    True (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 08:01:28 PM EST
    I have no interest in bashing Hillary.  I was just responding to the idea "the campaign" was being defended.

    At least by me.  

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    Coulda fooled me. (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 12:11:53 AM EST
    Saying Hillary's campaign sucked (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 01:24:49 PM EST
    Is not bashing Hillary. It's a fact.

    Everyone here knows there was and is no more staunch supporter of Hillary than ME.

    I do not drink kool aid

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    Voter suppression, Comey, j (none / 0) (#198)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 02:35:01 PM EST
    DNC email hack and release.    

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    Michigan (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 04:34:38 PM EST
    Arizona Wisconsin


    Just days before the election, after weeks believing that Michigan was safely blue, the pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC Priorities USA polled voters there - only to discover that it was a one-point race.

    The group quickly poured a whopping $5 million into the state

    One error was to stick with a long-standing, one-dimensional campaign strategy: attacking Donald Trump. That strategy had been devised despite overwhelming evidence, not only in Trump's rise but also in Clinton's struggles during the Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, that the electorate was looking for political and economic change.

    Another problem, some said, was to devote resources in states Clinton did not need to win - notably Arizona - instead of shoring up support in deep-blue states, notably the Rust Belt, that she did need.
    --
    In the end, even as the campaign shifted resources and sent surrogates back into the Rust Belt, the message remained the same: Trump lacked the temperament to be president and was unfit for office.

    To the bafflement of Democrats in Wisconsin, for instance, the late Clinton push there did not mirror the economic messaging of the local labor unions. One played back Trump's worst remarks about women; another, his mocking of a reporter with a physical disability; the last, a warning from a nuclear technician who worried that a reckless President Trump would start a war.

    Comey and the other krap mattered.  so did this.

    lets be honest.  or it will happen again.

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    I don't watch TV so saw no Clinton ads. (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 04:47:02 PM EST
    I watched the debates, in which HRC frequently referenced her policy positions and priotities.

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    who has defended Clintons campaign? (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:26:43 PM EST
    it wasnt me.  it sucked.

    i WILL see you and raise you.  that democrat thing today was pathetic.  "a better deal?"

    are we freaking used car salesmen?

    how about "A BETTER PARTY WITH BETTER LEADERSHIP"?

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    Apparently (none / 0) (#162)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:28:29 PM EST
    any mention of what the Russians did is an excuse with the Trump apologists.

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    speaking of Russia (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:44:58 PM EST
    i actually consider it almost a blessing that news conference got stepped on by Kush.

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    It gets worse (none / 0) (#184)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 09:02:19 PM EST
    Their latest offering:

    "Democrats 2018. I mean, have you seen the other guys?"

    There you go, a winner.

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    im sorry, your links dont work (2.00 / 1) (#186)
    by linea on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM EST
    i agree with ricky (somewhat).

    for a variety of reasons (many not her fault) secretary clinton was a seriously flawed candidate - in my opinion.

    it seems to me that many moderate-dem and a few liberal forums decidedly favored secretary clinton during the primary and i feel - yes, feel - that 'cognitive dissonance' (i hope im using that term correctly) has locked some people in to a reflexive 'hilary forever' stance.  

    for example, 'medicare for all' is what needs to next but some people still react to that, when i post that, with an off-hand^ 'bitter bernista' comment.

    [^ without previous thought or consideration.]

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    you of course (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:52:47 AM EST
    being the ultimate authority on what democrats think and "feel"

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    and (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:58:20 AM EST
    those are not "links"

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    if they arent meant to be links (none / 0) (#192)
    by linea on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 10:54:02 PM EST
    then why are they underlined?

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    Because (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    They are underlined.

    Moron.

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    For future reference (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    Links are blue

    Underlines are underlined

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    Aren't you embarrassed (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:29:04 PM EST
    to continually apologize for Trump?

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    shame (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:31:43 PM EST
    is soooo PC

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    Transferred from Simpson (none / 0) (#1)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 01:46:26 PM EST
    This is off topic, but, we don't have a current open thread. Last one was last Saturday. There's so much going on in the world and no place to discuss them.

    Jeralyn handled it in a flash!
    **************

    First, I'm thinking about the recent death of James McGill Buchanan. Buchanan was an American economist known for his work on "public choice theory." Basically, his thesis was, Capital rules, the hell with everyone else. It's not just an obscure idea dreamed up by a crazy person. It's a program to privatize everything in America that Government now manages, and its (stealthy) implementation has already begun, supported and financed, in part, by Charles Koch. It clarifies, and puts into perspective the actions of The Far Right that have already been set into motion. (Trump?)

    Some background.


    Perlstein on your background source (none / 0) (#3)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 01:58:12 PM EST
    "It pains me very deeply to say this, as Nancy Maclean is a friend whose past work I deeply admire, and whose broad political aims I share, but I totally endorse this article [The Farrel/Teles Vox piece linked in my post] about her book "Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right's Stealth Plan for Democracy." Maclean really does, at times, distort quotes from the subject to claim they mean the opposite of what they actually mean. Yet more damningly, in my opinion, the foundation of the entire book is a conspiracy theory that suggests that if you understand THIS ONE SECRET PLAN, you understand the rise of the right in America in its entirety. Which suggests you don't need to understand any of a score of other important tributaries, some of them not top-down conspiratorial at all but deeply, organically bottom up, which gave us the political order of battle we know now. That you don't need to read anything else. Which is actively dangerous to historical understanding."


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    Thanks for your response, Abdul (none / 0) (#5)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 02:31:42 PM EST
    Of course, this is just the very beginning of a long, long discussion on the topic I believe is fundamental if America is going to function successfully going forward: "What kind of a country do we want to live in?"

    That Slate article was just to give those interested a place to get some information on the topic.

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    The Kochs, some years back (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 06:23:22 PM EST
    had another house-trained uber-libertarian economist on a leash. Roger something. I do remember hearing he was afflicted with a fairly severe case of Asberger's Syndrome..

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    Asperger's (none / 0) (#9)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 06:32:30 PM EST
    sorry about that.

    Not Roger, Vernon. Vernon Smith.

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    Pension versus 401k/IRA thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 01:50:10 PM EST
    Pension payments cut.

    Both government and private sector pension funds are noted for chronic underfunding and assuming HUGE rates of return that mostly never come to pass.

    Yes if the stock market tanks its bad for your 401k, but its bad for a pension fund as well.  At least with a 401k, you have ownership of actual money from day one rather than owning a promise from an outfit that may look sound today, but that can change decades out.

    re: "stock market tanks" (none / 0) (#72)
    by linea on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM EST
    i just got a 401(k). it's an app online. they had it set to 85% stocks so i changed that setting to 0% stocks. you arent required to put money in stocks.

    [p.s. my company auto-enrolled me at 4% paycheck deduction. i think i need 10% deducted but im not sure. so i panicked and set it to '0' until i can figure this out. im really confused.]

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    I will return this evening and (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 02:05:21 PM EST
    hopefully have something on the upcoming Russia hearings and Trump and Sessions. That New York Times interview just floored me-- Trump is just so tone deaf. I also am sorry to learn about John McCain.

    Weird (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 04:59:13 PM EST
    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson plans to close an office that coordinates with other countries on cybersecurity and fold it into a bureau focused on economic issues, Bloomberg is reporting.
    and
    A Russian official says that the United States and Moscow are negotiating to set up a joint cybersecurity working group.

    Link
    Link

    Thank you for that report, Joe. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 07:14:03 PM EST
    And in other related news, Michael "The Nose" Mancuso of the Bonnano syndicate and U.S. Attorney Gen. Jeff Sessions are currently engaged in discussions concerning a possible joint anti-racketeering initiative. No word as of yet from the other members of the Five Families as to whether or not they'll participate.

    ;-D

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    When the term "Texas actress" ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 20, 2017 at 10:20:46 PM EST
    ... becomes a bland euphemism for "terrorist" because after all, we're talking about a white woman.

    And she attempted (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 08:46:21 AM EST
    to implicate her ex-husband.

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    ;-D

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    I'm sure that (none / 0) (#29)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 02:46:00 PM EST
    Her soon-to-be ex-husband didn't find this at all amusing at the time.
    If the cops and the Feds had believed her, it could have gone very badly for him until he could prove his innocence.

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    No, it probably wasn't fun for him. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 04:48:25 PM EST
    And now he knows why he should never have married that malevolent twit in the first place.

    The people I ultimately hold responsible for this stuff are the AM radio and Fox News squawk jocks who have a long history of goading their dimwitted and suggestive audiences with extremist hyperbole, without any due regard for the potentially adverse consequences.

    Aloha.

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    Jr and Manafort (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 21, 2017 at 07:00:05 PM EST
    Will not be live on Wed.  Maybe later.

    RISK (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2017 at 02:13:34 PM EST
    Starts tonight on SHO.  It sound pretty interesting

    Timing being everything in life, "Risk" could hardly be more of the moment. On a week when FBI director James Comey characterized WikiLeaks as "intelligence porn," this documentary feature by Laura Poitras offers a startling portrait of Julian Assange, the group's founder.

    Mr. Assange has made it known that he deplores the film, and no wonder. He comes off more as the beleaguered leader of a cult than an idealist battling government secrecy, a man obsessed with--and enraged by--charges of sexual assault.



    Went and found it after reading this (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:00:24 AM EST
    It was fascinating. Surprise, power seems to corrupt.

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    recorded (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 01:10:43 PM EST
    havent gotten there yet.  got trapped in the Breaking Bad marathon.

    i just happened to tune in at their first encounter with Saul Goodman.  i had totally forgotten how it happened.

    awsum.

    pinkman-

    -when the going gets rough you dont want a criminal lawer.  you want a "criminal" lawyer.

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    Laura Poitras is a fascinating documentarian (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 04:28:41 PM EST
    I know the military had her labeled anti US military before she covered Snowden. I'm not sure she fits easily into a mold of any kind. She holds Asssange accountable for his actions and choices. She holds Appelbaum accountable for his actions and choices. She's not so certain about herself at times.

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    If only Greenwald could be less certain (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 04:30:19 PM EST
    About his benevolence

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    i never could take (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 05:25:17 PM EST
    Greenwald.  less all the time.

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    it was Yara and Elaria (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 08:56:13 PM EST
    but they only got to make out because of that "other thing" i mentioned


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    Cersei is going to torture Elaria to death (none / 0) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:17:42 PM EST
    Does Yara survive?

    I still think eventually it's Jamie who kills Cersei. So much killing to get done in a season.

    And would they please stop aligning excrement with stew and flakey crusted chicken pies with crusty skin and pus? It's just mean right after dinner.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 08:34:42 AM EST
    Admit I love the gore/runny poop to food cuts.

    Poor Ser Jorah.  Skinned alive but please be quiet.

    Don't they have milk of the poppy n the Citadel?

    I just read one thing that is supposed to happen this season that will be almost as sweet as watching Joffery choke on pigeon pie.

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    Also (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 08:38:58 AM EST
    Aryan is going home!

    How great was the Aryan Nymeria reunion..

    I predict we will see Nymeria again.  

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    I have a feeling the Arya-Hound (none / 0) (#130)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 09:47:42 AM EST
    odd couple may hook up again at some point.

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    probably (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 10:28:36 AM EST
    and i believe the Hound will dispatch the Mountainstein

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    Is that Septa dead? (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 10:42:53 AM EST
    Did the mountain kill her, or was she "changed".

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    "Aryan" (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    is why i abandoned spell check

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    sunday (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 05:26:03 PM EST
    "It's very sad that Republicans, even some that were carried over the line on my back, do very little to protect their President," Trump wrote on Twitter after a visit to Trump National Golf Club in Virginia.


    I don't know but to me (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 05:55:30 PM EST
    it seems they are doing a very good job of protecting him. But they should be thanking Vlad for their wins instead of Trump.

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    thats whats so remarkable about that (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 06:47:21 PM EST
    they have gone to absolutely mind boggling lengths to defend and protect him and its not enough.

    he still throws them under the bus.

    this IMO is what will be his undoing.  Anne mentioned dangling pardons to keep people quiet.  but why on earth would anyone, except possibly family members and im not completely convinced of that, ever trust him?

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    I know. (none / 0) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:55:18 AM EST
    Never have I seen a bunch of more craven and cowardly politicians than this bunch of Republicans.

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    He such a mighty man (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 23, 2017 at 10:18:25 PM EST
    Carrying us all like that

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    He can throw a football on a dead spiral... (none / 0) (#168)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:34:37 PM EST
    through a tire.  

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    a football! (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:40:54 PM EST
    not being a fan i thought a spiral was some kind of small animal.

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    That's what Moochie saed... (none / 0) (#185)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 10:49:14 PM EST
    Also, he can go to Madison Square Garden and swish free throws all day long.  In his topcoat!  

    He is, apparently, the American Dear Leader.

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    right (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 08:07:06 AM EST
    but i believe Mooch just said "he can throw a dead spiral through a tire"

    i was imagining a small pile of dead spirals that had been collected and throttled for Donald to throw.

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    He's starting to sound as magically (none / 0) (#188)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:28:01 AM EST
    Gifted as the leader of North Korea

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    Trump's setting himself on fire again (none / 0) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 10:47:57 AM EST
    On Twitter. Seems to be how he's going to start each day since Spicey announced he's going. The mooch said something about Trump getting to be who he really is being important. I guess Trump took that to heart. No brakes, coming down the mountain.

    Oh, Lordie (none / 0) (#134)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM EST
    You mean Trump hasn't been "who he really is" before now?  Oy!
    Does anybody but me think that the Mooch is straight out of central casting for a part in Goodfellas or The Godfather?

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    I think he's preaching the opposite to Trump (none / 0) (#136)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 01:22:44 PM EST
    That his previous "handlers" were, just based on what Mooch says on TV. He's releasing The Trump. I think Trump is going to hit new highs of lows.

    Reading that McMaster is distancing. Why would he ever blow himself up for this President to begin with? He's supposed to be a smart guy. Not very smart. And Trump finds the same guy over and over again who jumps out there and lies and spins for him.

    Haven't seen anything like this since high school

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    "Rexit" (none / 0) (#137)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:11:22 PM EST
    The latest is that Rexxon Tillerson, may be leaving as Secretary of State, sooner than later.  Guess he, as with Sessions, is "beleaguered." But, in Rex's case, it is by the absence of naps.

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    Trumps first words (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:37:28 PM EST
    at the "health care event" were -

    "for the last 17 years Obamacare has......"

    sweet jesus just make it stop.

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    i think (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:45:01 PM EST
    He's like a drunkard (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:53:52 PM EST
    Trying to pick a fight with his wife. Just pulling stuff out of his butt.

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    Now that is funny (none / 0) (#174)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:58:35 PM EST
    I love it!

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    Trump seems (none / 0) (#147)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 03:20:15 PM EST
    "beleaguered."   But, then, he may be right.  After 17 years it is probably time to do something new.

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    Jesus, Mary & Joseph... (none / 0) (#151)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:08:32 PM EST
    he has no idea what he's saying, does he?

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    That woman... that woman with the eybrows... (none / 0) (#159)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:17:45 PM EST
    I couldn't turn my eyes away.  

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    those eyebrows need to be (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:30:27 PM EST
    repealed and replaced

    EYEBROWS TREND ON TWITTER

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    Clearly, her Obamacare disaster (none / 0) (#181)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 07:32:52 PM EST
    was an eyebrow transplant that went terribly wrong.

    You know, one of these days, maybe when I'm old enough to have license to speak unfiltered in public, I am going to go up to some woman with alien eyebrows, gently put my hand on her arm, and say, "dear, look around.  Do you see anyone with eyebrows like yours?  Have you ever seen anyone with eyebrows like that?  Yours are the eyebrows every mother prays her small children will not notice so she doesn't have to try to explain why you look permanently astonished."  I will discreetly press $50 into her hand with the card from the salon, and beg her to please go get them fixed by someone who didn't go to the Salvador Dali School of Beauty.

    It's on my bucket list.

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    I have to take a nap (none / 0) (#140)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 02:51:09 PM EST
    Because of that orange baboon butt sometimes.

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    Well, this may keep you awake long (none / 0) (#154)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:19:23 PM EST
    into the night:

    Trump floats possibility of Giuliani replacing Sessions as AG: report

    President Trump has floated the possibility of replacing Attorney General Jeff Sessions with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), Axios reported Monday.

    Trump broached the idea in internal discussions about bringing his staunch ally into the folds of his administration, sources within the West Wing told the news outlet.

    Giuliani is denying it, plus he came out and said Sessions was right to recuse himself, so maybe my hair can stop being on fire...or not, because you know that if Sessions goes, there isn't going to be anyone "better," and could actually be worse.

    Argh...this all needs to be over.

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    not sure if thats a troll attempt (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:25:22 PM EST
    but i dont think Guiliani would evar get through confirmation.  a few years ago maybe.  but he jumped the shark more recently.

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    And he doesn't (none / 0) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:26:46 PM EST
    want to have to answer questions under oath I would imagine. He's also being investigated.

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    I haven't been able to take Trump at his word (none / 0) (#187)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:05:59 AM EST
    On anything. Like healthcare where he threw 3 different "solutions" on the table all in the space of one waking hours days, he just throws stuff at the wall trying to get something to stick.

    It's a technique I suppose, though my mother forbade me from doing it when I was a toddler.

    And "The Mooch" used Trump as an unidentified expert intel source too this weekend. An expert intel source who claimed there wasn't Russian collusion. So it's a full time bull$hitathon.

    When it comes to Trump or those who are "in" with him, it's just make believe and carnival barking.

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    And who the holy hell would succeed him? (none / 0) (#150)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:05:28 PM EST
    I think I'm hearing faint echoes of the giant gong from The Gong Show...

    The show was created and originally produced by Chuck Barris, who also served as host for the NBC run and from 1977 to 1980 in syndication. The Gong Show is known for its absurdist humor and style, with outlandish losing acts being more memorable than the winners,[according to whom?] and often awarding ridiculous and worthless prizes.

    [...]

    When an act was on the verge of being gonged, the laughter and anticipation built as the judges patiently waited to deliver the strike. They would stand up slowly and heft their mallets deliberately, letting everyone know what was coming. Sometimes, pantomimed disputes would erupt between judges, as one would attempt to physically obstruct another from gonging the act. The camera would cut back and forth between the performers onstage, and the mock struggle over their fate. Some acts were so bad that they were "Gang-Gonged", with two or even all three judges striking the gong at once. On rare occasions, judges found an act so terrible that they would go onstage, hand a mallet to the performer, and lead him/her back to the table to gong him/herself out.

    The parallels are almost too close to ignore...

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    the GONG SHOW (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:15:34 PM EST
    was absolutely the best thing on TV at the time and has rarely been surpassed since.  i loved the Gong Show.

    its a funny analogy also because of the persistent and straight faced rumors that Chuck Barri was a secret CIA hit man.

    the subject of an excellent movie written by Charlie Kaufman and starring Sam Rockewell
    CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND

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    Nobody...who's the deputy? That'll be the boss (none / 0) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 04:14:19 PM EST
    I don't even think we have a Secretary of the Army yet. I recall my husband said last week we had the possibility of one that was being talked about, and then everyone moved on to what needed to happen that day because whatcha gonna do about it? We are 6 months in, this is unpresidented :) Nobody wants the jobs under Trump.

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    Well, apparently (none / 0) (#163)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:28:39 PM EST
    "Scaramouche" wanted a job.
    Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the fandango?
    Has anybody asked if, in fact, he can do the fandango?


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    IMO (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 05:46:35 PM EST
    its so obvious he would crush the Fandango there was no need to ask.

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    country split on removing Trump (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 06:53:43 PM EST
    Based on what you've read and heard, do you think the Congress should?... Or should not?... impeach Donald Trump and remove him from the presidency, or are you not sure?

    42%    Should
    42%    Should Not
    15%    Not Sure

    there are other interesting things in this poll

    How upset would you be if Congress does NOT impeach President Trump and remove him from the presidency?

    47%    Very Upset
    34%    Somewhat Upset
    11%    Not Too Upset
    4%    Not Upset At All
    3%    Not Sure

    LINK

    this (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 24, 2017 at 07:14:44 PM EST
     
    [Aggregated Responses From Q9 and Q10 Above]
    Based on what you've read and heard, which comes closest to your point of view: There is sufficient evidence NOW for Congress to remove Donald Trump from the presidency. There is NOT sufficient evidence NOW for Congress to remove Donald Trump from the presidency, but ongoing investigations will EVENTUALLY provide enough evidence. There will NEVER be sufficient evidence for Congress to remove Donald Trump from the presidency.

    27%    Sufficient Evidence Now
    30%    Not Sufficient Evidence Yet
    31%    Will Never Be Sufficient Evidence
    11%    Not Sure

    that second number is really interesting.

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