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Wednesday Night Open Thread: Season of the Witch

The travails of the most unimportant person in the White House continue. You can violate ethics rules but be excused by White House Counsel. You can show utter disrespect for White House furniture, your boss and the group of people being honored in the room, and it's just brushed off.

Trump and Conway:

Two rabbits running in a ditch
Must be the Season of the Witch

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Posted this in the other thread (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 01, 2017 at 08:36:57 PM EST
    but Jeff Sessions was in contact with the Russians when he was part of the Trump campaign and then lied about it during his confirmation hearings when questioned. link

    oops. Might be another repeat of the Flynn incident.

    But... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Anc260 on Wed Mar 01, 2017 at 11:34:40 PM EST
    I thought Trump only surrounded himself with the best people?

    What a mess. I doubt this leads to anything though. I think the country made it clear that we're cool with being Russian puppets as long as we get rid of healthcare for poor people.

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    It is (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:40:39 AM EST
    just another brick in the wall of this entire Russian story. Sessions will probably be gone before too long.

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    You think so? (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:43:44 AM EST
    This group that believes and advocates "alternative facts?"

    They will deny even the obvious.

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    Well (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:50:15 AM EST
    this is a test for the GOP. Are they going to put party before country or country before party and get rid of Sessions? I know they have mostly sided with Putin on almost everything and unfortunately too many of them voted for Sessions knowing enough bad stuff about him but we shall see. If they keep Sessions we will see the full outward embrace of Putin coming from the GOP.

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    There is the theory (none / 0) (#29)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 12:18:22 PM EST
    that Watergate forced Nixon to resign only because the economy was bad at the time.

    We will see if Trump can make the trains run on time.  If he can, then we will see just how much corruption people will tolerate.

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    The (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 12:58:10 PM EST
    UE rate around the time Nixon resigned looks to be 5.5%. So I'm thinking not when it comes to the economy making Nixon resign. The truth is the evidence was just so overwhelming against Nixon and the country had turned against him that he had to go.

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    Whose revisionist theory is that? (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 02:21:25 PM EST
    President Nixon resigned once he gave up possession of his Oval Office tapes under SCOTUS order, and the "smoking gun" recording of June 23, 1972 -- six days after the Watergate break-in -- clearly revealed him as the initial and primary instigator of the criminal cover-up.

    Only then, once it was painfully obvious that Nixon was likely guilty of felony obstruction of justice, did the bottom finally drop out of his support from fellow Republicans in the U.S. Senate, which rendered his hold on the White House untenable. That's what prompted Sen. Goldwater's visit a few days before the president's resignation.

    The national fury over Watergate built to its crescendo due to the scandal itself, and was not driven by concurrent economic considerations of the times. In fact, public opinion had already turned irreparably against Nixon by the summer of 1973, only months after he took the oath of office for the second time, when the Senate's Select Committee convened under Chairman Sam Ervin to investigate the affair.

    From a public standpoint, Nixon's political fate was likely sealed once he set in motion the infamous events of October 20, 1973, now known as the "Saturday Night Massacre," coming as it did on the immediate heels of Vice President Spiro Agnew's resignation and no contest plea on unrelated public corruption charges only ten days prior.

    The ensuing nationwide public outcry resulting from the principled resignation of Attorney General Elliot Richardson, and subsequent firings of Dep. AG William Ruckelshaus and Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, made impeachment proceedings in the House all but inevitable.

    It just took some Senate Republicans like Barry Goldwater longer than most to reach the conclusion that President Nixon absolutely had to go. It was the revelation of the "smoking gun" tape in late July 1974, leaving no doubt that the president had in fact been actively and deeply engaged in a criminal conspiracy from its very beginning, which finally pushed Goldwater, et al., over the edge.

    Aloha.

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    Not a good theory imo (none / 0) (#38)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:17:07 PM EST
    And 1973 economy is what the apologists were referring to iirc.

    But the Trump apologists have already made excuses for, if not approving of, the racial appeals and dishonesty.

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    Well the planes aren't running on time (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:08:40 PM EST
    And Disney World says something's not right around here. He's already destroyed tourism as long as he's President :(

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    Re: Tourism... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:20:01 PM EST
    If it wasn't so damn embarrassing and inhumane, I almost wish the haters would get their wish and nobody wanted to come to America for any reason...tourist visa, work visa, or the hard deadly walk through the desert.

    All the money we'd lose, all the hard working laborers, all the brainiac workers, the artists...it would be a classic "be careful what you wish for" comeuppance!

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    My God No kdog (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:27:08 PM EST
    They'll just get dumber and more inbred

    Parent
    are you implying (none / 0) (#51)
    by nyjets on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    are you implying that there are no Americans that are smart, artistic, or hardworking?

    Parent
    Not what I took from that post at all (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:42:03 PM EST
    Not sure how you get there.

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    You get there when ... (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:10:55 PM EST
    ... you can't really argue in favor of Trump's immigrant-bashing policies on merit without sounding like a raging xenophobe, and you're instead desperately looking for something / anything to flip the present discussion on its ear.

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    if i am wrong i a sorry (none / 0) (#104)
    by nyjets on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:34:29 PM EST
    It sounded like you were implying that the US needed foreigners because Americans could not do the work.

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    No apologies necessary... (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 08:43:44 AM EST
    I did not mean to imply any such thing...plenty of hard workers and talent that are native born, but why limit America's greatness to native born when we can have more hard workers, more artists, more talent, and more soul by welcoming tourists and foreign workers and foreigners in general.  Besides being the cool thing to do, it only makes our society better.

    Why does New York have so much great cuisine, great art, great fun, great people?  Because it's a melting pot!  True in 1817, 1917, and 2017.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#164)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:52:57 AM EST
    Just have them enter the country legally,

    And the Statue of Liberty welcomes them with open arms

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    Tourism to the U.S. (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:41:04 PM EST
    is down.  So, Mission Accomplished.

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    You know, Hawaii tourism is actually up. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:05:06 PM EST
    Most foreign visitors to the islands arrive from Japan and Canada, and their numbers have risen 3% from January 2016. But in other states, it sure appears as though the number of foreign visitors has fallen off significantly. In California, it's down 5% from one year ago.

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    Tourism is up (none / 0) (#142)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 12:24:15 PM EST
    because we all know that Hawaii is not really part of the United States. You know, what with Obama supposedly being born there.

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    It's so demeaning (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 01:17:10 AM EST
    It's more than that. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 02:32:02 AM EST
    British and Dutch intelligence provided information to their American counterparts detailing meetings between Trump associates and Russian officials in various European cities. And U.S. intelligence intercepted communications between Russian officials confirming their meetings with Trump officials.


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    We need to demand ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 01:56:29 AM EST
    ... an independent commission to investigate the burgeoning scandal over Trump's ties to Russia -- and it IS a scandal. The immediate question here isn't if Sessions lied, but why he lied.

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    Definitely (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:42:08 AM EST
    congress cannot handle this. Too many of them voted for Sessions.

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    It's Just the Start (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 02:16:14 AM EST
    Remember when the GOP had to gin up scandals out of unsecured servers?

    This has meat on it and the blood is in the water.  The cast of clowns who get considered is such a rogue's gallery that any superficial digging exposes them.  They have pi$$ed off the media.  After eight years of hearing about nothingburger made-up scandals, the Democrats have been looking for a little payback, and now the environment is nothing but soft targets.

    Get ready for cascading scandals.  The administration is already on the back foot and losing steam.  These people are criminals who weren't even careful.  They have left Godzilla footprints of their activities.

    This will be entertaining, although depressing.

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    I'm reading that the intelligence (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:47:08 AM EST
    Was uploaded to intellipedia, the wikipedia of intelligence, and it was also sent to members of the intelligence committees who requested it, among probably many other forms of archiving and documenting.

    A terrible situation for our nation to face.

    The law of the land thinks he's above the law.

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    Kaboom (none / 0) (#8)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:35:19 AM EST
    if Sessions is not gone stat, the rule of law is DOA. Unfortunately the rule of law is only even money.

    At least this latest travesty has pushed Trumps "Gettysburg address" out of the headlines.

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    I did a sound gig (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 01:46:01 AM EST
    ...in 1969 for Donovan, who performed with a flutist named Paul Horn in a cavernous building, the two of them seated on a short riser and playing to a crowd of thousands.

    As sound gigs go, it was very easy.  Two acoustic guys are much easier to deal with than a rock band.

    Donovan was and is a fairly quiet performer, but he is a great performer.  He is charismatic, the dude can rivet a building full of people while sitting on the stage playing an acoustic guitar and singing a simple song.

    Repack, you are absolutely correct. (none / 0) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:54:42 AM EST
    Years ago I filmed Donovan in Seattle, sitting alone on a stool, singing and playing his guitar.  It was an exceptionally great show, and one of the easiest film jobs I've  ever had.  Of course he is Scottish, ye ken.

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    Here is a very young Donovan (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:58:35 PM EST
    with Pete Seeger in 1965, accompanied by Shawn Phillips. Phillips, by the way, principally wrote "Season of the Witch," as Donovan later acknowledged.

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    My uncle Tom gave me a copy of Phillips' (none / 0) (#82)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:59:41 PM EST
    Collaboration when I was young.  Tom was the Adonis who showed up at family gatherings with two girlfriends.  Phillips was a revelation, my first contact with thought melded with music.

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    Donovan was just a wee bit before my time. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:25:41 PM EST
    Now, I'd heard of him before, because my older sister and her friends would occasionally listen to him. But I only really first started exploring his musical catalogue as a adult when, thanks to cross-pollination between the mediums of film and music, his song "Hurdy Gurdy Man" sent a chill down my spine at the close of the 2007 crime thriller "Zodiac." He's totally awesome.

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    Media Falls (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 12:25:14 PM EST
    For "Presidential" Trump, Again.  Trevor Noah, Comedy Central, March 1, 2017.  Wait for the instruction, back during the campaign, on how to look presidential, it is easy, says Trump. President "Speech" v. "President" Trump.    

    "Lock HIM up" (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:04:42 AM EST
    Uh, oh.  Turns out Mike Pence used his private email account to conduct official business when he was governor of Indiana, and he discussed sensitive issues, AND he was hacked.

    Cue the sound of crickets from hypocritical conservatives.

    Wow! (none / 0) (#126)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:07:18 AM EST
    He discussed national security issues?

    LOCK HIM UP

    NOW

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    He (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:21:54 AM EST
    did discuss national security issues he did discuss national security issues,
    Emails released to IndyStar in response to a public records request show Pence communicated via his personal AOL account with top advisers on topics ranging from security gates at the governor's residence to the state's response to terror attacks across the globe. In one email, Pence's top state homeland security adviser relayed an update from the FBI regarding the arrests of several men on federal terror-related charges.
    It's not the crime it's the hypocrisy

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    Too many politicians (none / 0) (#128)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:32:32 AM EST
    Have resorted to using private accounts to thwart FOIA laws.
    Unfortunately, it is now common place.
    The EPA has consistently been run that way, first with Lisa Jackson, and then McCarthy.

    Stronger laws should be written and ENFORCED regarding this

    The seriousness of the charge does vary, depending upon ones position and job responsibilities

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    Should they? (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:54:19 AM EST
    And yet, that completely avoids the point of of the post, which is the hypocrisy of conservatives when it comes to this issue as the law currently stands.  So we'll just leave your latest, baseless, specious claim about unnamed "politicians" (along with your "everybody does it" defense) lie right there.

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    Oh MY (5.00 / 5) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 07:17:42 AM EST
    I seem to recall you acting like Hillary having a private email was the end of the freaking world. You spent tons of bandwidth here spinning your conspiracy stories around the fact of Hillary's private email.

    Hillary handed hers in. Shouldn't Mike Pence do the same? And Trump asked Putin to find Hillary's private emails. Shouldn't you ask Putin to find Pence's personal emails too?

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    From what I understand (none / 0) (#165)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:56:10 AM EST
    Pence did not have a private server at his house.
    He did use AOL for some government business.

    Did it risk national security....

    It did hide government business from FOIA requests, although I believe that is how it eventually was found, a FOIA requat

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 12:18:14 PM EST
    By your own standards he risked national security. Homeland security was on his private account and let's not forget pence sued to keep his emails out of the public domain. All of the email thing though is small potatoes to him selling out the entire country to Putin

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    The jack-booted, Stalinist EPA again (none / 0) (#136)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 10:14:19 AM EST
    how long do you think The Donald and his henchman would protect your favorite fishing spots if there was a quick few million to be made, Trevor?

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#166)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:58:20 AM EST
    That jack booted agency has trampled the rights of farmers and ranchers, and will now be reined in to do what it was designed to do.

    Clean public waterways and air

    No worries here

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    Actually, already started (none / 0) (#191)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:52:25 PM EST
    Working for us fishermen and hunters

    Secretary Zinke's second order, No. 3347, seeks to "enhance conservation stewardship, increase outdoor recreation, and improve the management of game species and their habitat." It recognizes recreational hunters and anglers as leaders in America's conversation movement and invokes Theodore Roosevelt, who "loved the outdoors and vigorously hunted wildlife".

    Specifically, the order requires a report of all steps taken to implement a directive issued by President George W. Bush, "Facilitation of Hunting Heritage and Wildlife Conservation," as well as a description of any barriers or impediments to its full implementation. These reports will then be submitted to the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council and the Sport Fishing and Boating Partnership Council to solicit each group's own consensus recommendations for implementation of the Bush directive.

    Using these reports and recommendations, the Department will then develop a further plan of action both to expand recreational hunting and fishing opportunities, as well as coordination, cooperation, and communication with state fish and wildlife agencies. Secretary Zinke will also appoint an official within the Immediate Office of the Secretary to coordinate and implement these efforts.

    http://tinyurl.com/ju5sj6c

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    Uhhhhmm, yeah ... (none / 0) (#129)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:47:46 AM EST
    He did.

    Oops.

    Try again.

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    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#11)
    by fishcamp on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:13:54 AM EST
    Jon Bon Jovi is 55 today.

    thanks for letting me know! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 12:08:42 PM EST
    Casey Anthony's judge offers theory (none / 0) (#14)
    by McBain on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    Link
    Anthony may have been trying to quiet the child, Caylee, with chloroform and accidentally used too much, former Circuit Judge Belvin Perry Jr. said Wednesday in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel.

    Maybe, but it's just a guess.  
    He didn't "find fault" with the verdict, the Sentinel points out.

    If he didn't "find fault" why did he keep Anthony in jail after the not guilty of murder verdict?  His decision to run her other sentences consecutively seemed unfair but true to the pro prosecution bias he had during that case.


    Laurence Tribe is all over Sessions (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:55:44 AM EST
    like white on rice, or white on Trump's base..

    Says Sessions committed "a knowing and deliberate falsehood under oath on a clearly pertinent matter."

    Perjury, in other words.

    Now Sessions is doubling down on the bs and digging himself in deeper, by first claiming he couldn't recall what was discussed, and then suddenly remembering that he didn't discuss campaign issues with the Russian ambassador/spy master but only election "news."

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    Only? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:02:53 AM EST
    The problem is precisely that, discussing the election (and with Putin's top recruiter, we are told, of US spies).

    I knew a lot of bad news about Sessions, but not that he is such a fool, with this ridiiculouse series of rationalizations.

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    And now Paul Ryan (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:22:24 AM EST
    with that ever-present look of Eagle Scout/serial killer earnestness, says Sessions shouldn't have to recuse himself because he's not under investigation..

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    Paul Ryan (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:43:38 AM EST
    is implicated in all this I do believe. It has been reported that Ryan was in receivership of Russian intel which he helped use in his reelection campaign. There's a reason why he is saying what he is saying.

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    Fake News!!! (none / 0) (#71)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:03:57 PM EST
    Yes, I can (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:22:55 PM EST
    see you now Trevor leaving the Kremlin with your sign saying fake news.

    Or maybe you are floating down the Volga with your sign BUT HER EMAILS while you sink.

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    I have never (none / 0) (#74)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:28:26 PM EST
    Seen anything linking Ryan to this nothingburger

    therefore  ...FAKE  NEWS

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    Here you go, Trevor: (none / 0) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:45:50 PM EST
    Salon | December 14, 2016
    GOP super PAC linked to Paul Ryan used illegally hacked material against Democratic House candidates: report - "While there has been a lot of speculation about what effect the hacking of Democratic operations by a group with alleged Russian ties had in Donald Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton, a new report from The New York Times illustrates exactly how damaging the hacking was for Democratic Congressional candidates in about a dozen 'of the most competitive House races in the country.' [...] After Florida Democratic House candidate Joe Garcia appeared at a primary debate against opponent Annette Taddeo with a printout of some of the hacked DCCC documents to attack Taddeo, the National Republican Campaign Committee and The Congressional Leadership Fund, a super PAC with close ties to House Speaker Paul Ryan, used the hacked documents to defeat him in the general." (Emphasis is mine.)

    And so, now you have seen "anything linking Paul Ryan" to the story, because the GOP Congressional Leadership Fund is under his control. Just because you refuse to acknowledge its potential veracity, it doesn't necessarily follow that it therefore is fake or doesn't exist.

    Aloha.

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    And? (none / 0) (#76)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:52:29 PM EST
    What did Ryan do? What was illegal. unethical?

    Nothingburger!!

    Want fries with that

    You are going to strain yourself.

    Sessions had 2 conversations, one after a speech at the Heritage Fund, another with 2 aides present.

    And?  What of it?

    What is it Democrats are trying to prove?  That The evil Russians conspired with The Donald and his minions?

    Lol, sorry, the Democrats only play is outrage, and with the help of the press, and some Obama appointees inserted into the government are doing their best.

    After all of this outrage, not one article I have seen refers to any wrongdoing, just smoke

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    So if someone (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:02:41 PM EST
    gives you a stolen TV and you know the TV was stolen you did nothing wrong? Ryan apparently knew he received illegally hacked emails.

    Sessions had a meeting with a Russian asset at the RNC for pete's sake. here's an easy to follow chart for all the Trump Sessions Russia connections.

    All total how many people in the Trump campaign met with Russian intelligence? I think it was around 11. Kushner met with the same guy Sessions did in December after the election along with Flynn. Do you think maybe someone can get Flynn to flip and spill all the beans?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:54:30 PM EST
    we know that you alt-right guys consider anything that doesn't come out of the Breitbart approved media as "fake news". Glad to you know you're 100% all in with Trump on this fake news stuff. ROTFLMAO.

    Maybe you can tell us what kind of vodka is being served at the Kremlin tonight.

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    Lol (none / 0) (#81)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:59:26 PM EST
    That links Ryan to Russia, lol

    that is one BIG LIFT

    Good luck with that

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    how in any way (none / 0) (#84)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:04:36 PM EST
    can you label trevor with the alt-right (anti-feminist, homophobic, neoreactionary, and monarchist) slur?

    you are absurd.

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    Creativity (none / 0) (#86)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:07:54 PM EST
    And innovative are 2 ways

    But , in the end , you are correct,

    Delve into absurdity

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    He's declaring (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:08:36 PM EST
    anything Russian 'fake news" and a "nothingburger" That's pretty alt-right. You know we have a saying down here in the south if lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. If you dont' want to be associated with the alt-right don't constantly apologize for them.

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    They have been (FBI , Intelligence) (none / 0) (#91)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:15:08 PM EST
    Investigating Russia and the election since last summer.

    All of this information, regarding Sessions was known prior to the leak.
    If there was a criminal matter, it would have been addressed.
    It was held onto and leaked, solely for political purposes, by former Obama administration people still in the government.

    Right now, the media gets to print a headline , put Russia in it, and all conversation stops.
    But that is all there is , a headline with Russia in it.

    But hey, it is a great strategy, and there is a willing partner in the media, the Democrats will ride this as long as they can

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    Why did the idiot Sessions (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:21:39 PM EST
    lie if it was no big deal? If it was a criminal matter the GOP is not going to address it. Look at all the stuff they have let pass. Heck tons of people can't even pass the background checks they are so compromised. It's total and complete chaos coming from the Trump administration. If you don't want the Russian headlines don't freaking hire Russian stooges left and right. You don't think there could have been a better pick for SOS than someone who clinks champagne with Putin and received an honor from him? I mean I understand a lot of the GOP establishment does not want to work for Trump but there had to be someone that didn't have the tons of baggage with regards to Russia that Tillerson has. It's almost like Trump is spitting in the face of the country announcing hes' a Putin apostle and daring everybody to do something about it.

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    Why? (none / 0) (#99)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:25:28 PM EST
    Because he is a politician, they lie all the time, he didn't think it was a big deal, he didn't discuss anything, or plot anything, and figured why stir up a hornets nest over nothing.
    Well, I guess he just should have told the truth.

    Other than that, you went off the deep end afterwards. Most of The Donalds Cabinet is pushing back against Russian expansion, and Russia knows it.
    Tillerson is actually a fantastic choice for SOS, a very inspired selection.


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    Are you daft? (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:15:15 PM EST
    Talking to Russians is not a crime. But lying to Congress during your confirmation hearing is a crime. That is what will do him in.

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    We will see (none / 0) (#123)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 05:39:07 AM EST
    I do know this is all the Democrats have at the moment, throw as much mud as possible, and hope something sticks.

    Granted , politicians do make it easy sometimes.

    Just by opening their mouth,

    But, in the words of a famous President, it all depends what the definition of is is

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    ... to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearing seven weeks ago. His statement to Sen. Franken about not meeting any Russians personally -- which he volunteered without prompting -- was both deliberate and unequivocal.

    Further, Sessions' statement to Franken has since stood uncorrected and / or unclarified for the entire time. Even on Wednesday night, Sessions initially denied the Washington Post's claims about his meetings with Ambassador Kislyak, insisting that they were false. Only yesterday did he finally admit otherwise.

    So, whether Sessions lied or knowingly misstated facts is six of one or half-dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned. In any event, he was not being truthful to the committee seven weeks ago, even though he was under oath at the time.

    And that presents a big problem for this administration, in light of the very serious concerns many people are both harboring and raising publicly about the nature of the Trump campaign's relationship with the Russian government and its intelligence agencies during the 2016 election season.

    I suppose there is a chance that all these shoes dropping constitute nothing more than a rather remarkable series of coincidences. But if there is truly nothing going on here as you insist, Trevor, then why are all these recent revelations strongly suggesting otherwise?

    Perhaps a more pertinent question to now ask, is whether there is any senior official in the Trump campaign who didn't meet with Ambassador Kislyak last year.

    Aloha.

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    It appears (none / 0) (#167)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:00:50 AM EST
    the Ambassador has met with many in our government, but that is his job.

    Even those who claimed to have never ever met him, lol.

    No, I still see no there there.

    It was useful to create some bad headlines, but I do not expect much to come of it.

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    Of course, that's par for the course of late with you, Trevor. Your function here appears to be Cheerleader for the Damned.

    Chuck Schumer met with Ambassador Kislyak in 2003. Nancy Pelosi met with him in 2010. Neither of hem subsequently lied about it to the Senate Judiciary Committee while under oath.

    Jeff Sessions lied under oath when he claimed to have not met with any Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. That's now established fact. That's what is at issue here, and not how many members of Congress may have met with the Russian ambassador at one time or another.

    The question now before us is to determine why Sessions lied.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    No (none / 0) (#188)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:39:11 PM EST
    But Pelosi claimed she never ever met him

    Is she lying, forgetful, or too old for her job?

    McKaskill also...was she lying?  Or just forgetful?

    Being that Franken was specifically asking about the campaign, and Trump supporters speaking with the Russians, he easily dodges the bullet, as his 1 meeting with his staff, they did not discuss the campaign,
    The other meeting was arranged by the Obama campaign.
    Now Sessions brought all this noise down upon himself, but no, no perjury here.
    Try again, but find something lighter to lift.
    But don't worry, the Democrats and their allies in the press will drumbeat this for all its worth, it was a successful change of the news cycle.

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    seems odd (none / 0) (#189)
    by linea on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:50:42 PM EST
    that u.s. congressmembers would NOT be routinely meeting with the russian ambassator.

    perhaps they are too busy golfing or simply disinterested that the russians have moved nuclear capable missiles into kaliningrad on the lithuanian and polish border.

    Parent

    Are you daft? (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 01:35:29 PM EST
    Do you not understand that it wasn't the meeting it was meeting him in PRIVATE and then LYING about meeting him. To claim that sitting at the table with someone IN PUBLIC and going to the opening of a gas station IN PUBLIC is the same is just really nonsense. But then you know it's nonsense but you will apologize for the GOP until the cows come home.

    You should follow the advice of the person you supposedly voted for who said if Republicans don't stand up for liberty and democracy the entire party is going to pay for it.

    Parent

    "I swear that I am about to lie." (none / 0) (#105)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:37:20 PM EST
    Because he is a politician, they lie all the time, he didn't think it was a big deal, he didn't discuss anything, or plot anything, and figured why stir up a hornets nest over nothing.

    I did not realize you had attended the meeting, but you apparently know what was discussed.  Have you brought your first-hand account to the FBI?

    It's one thing to lie, like Tr*mp does, as part of the persona.  But Sessions lied under oath, which makes it perjury.  You say that it's okay to lie under oath as long as you are a politician.

    You are not clear on the concept of sworn testimony, are you?  What is the PURPOSE of the oath in your opinion, since it is not binding (in your opinion) on those who are paid by the taxpayers?

    Parent

    Where did I say that? (none / 0) (#107)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:43:18 PM EST
    You say that it's okay to lie under oath as long as you are a politician.

    The question was why? And if you really read my short post, you would realize that it would have been better if he did tell the truth.
    And , like a true politician, he parsed the truth.
    But I am pretty certain that Jeff Sessions did not coordinate and conspire with the russians.  This is all a concerted PR attack
    But this was known for months...why did it appear in the press now?
    A concerted effort.

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    I get this... (none / 0) (#114)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:57:39 PM EST
    I am pretty certain that Jeff Sessions did not coordinate and conspire with the russians.

    Because... reasons?

    What is it about his prior record of racism and incompetence that suggests to you that after a lifetime without principles, he suddenly grew an ethic?

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    No, he lied (none / 0) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:37:51 PM EST
    because he knew that the Russian thing is a problem for Trump and the GOP. He also knew that admitting he met with a Russian spy was going to be the end. How many GOP senators would want to ride that horse? Not many of them but now they're going to be riding it because lied. If I were a Republican I would really be ticked at Sessions and apparently according to some reports they are 'cause if he told the truth he wouldn't have been confirmed and they wouldn't have to be dealing with yet another Putin stooge in the Trump administration.

    Of course you think Tillerson is good. He's going to push the Putin agenda for you. Nope they're not doing anything against Russian expansion at all.

    Parent

    FAKE NEWS AGAIN (none / 0) (#108)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:44:03 PM EST
    He met with the Russian Ambassador

    Parent
    Same difference (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:13:56 PM EST
    Spies in the Embassy.  Pretty basic.

    Parent
    Sorry (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:56:22 PM EST
    Trevor you really need to start reading more. Kislyak is called the Russian ambassador by Putin but the intelligence community considers that just a cover and is considered a "top spy and recruiter of spies". Do you really think Putin would send someone who was just an ambassador?

    Parent
    You're beyond absurd (none / 0) (#121)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:56:12 PM EST
    and daft to not see Trevor's thrown his lot in with the homophobic, crack-brained, reactionary Alt-right's favorite son.

    If someone climbs into a pig pen, don't be shocked if they get splattered.

    Parent

    Lock him (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:33:53 PM EST
    up.

    Parent
    Don't you love his denial? (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:16:41 AM EST
    First he says he doesn't know what this is about. Then he says it's false. If you're not sure you understand the claim or claims, how can you be so sure they are false?

    Parent
    I read one (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:21:28 AM EST
    was a phone call. If that is true there are tapes.

    The Russia connection must be a big problem for the GOP or otherwise they would not be attempting to completely squash investigations into it and vote to hide Trump's taxes.

    Parent

    It's (none / 0) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:25:45 AM EST
    rather strange that he couldn't remember what was discussed in the first place, but if this was an "official" meeting regarding his Senatorial duties there would surely be a paper trail with all the details. Surely he at least took notes and produced some kind of memo to be shared with the rest of the committee.

    Maybe he can enlighten himself and the American people by producing those documents. It should be easy-peasy.

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    Official (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:41:27 AM EST
    meetings are supposed to go through the state department which Sessions did not do. So none of that applies in this case. Sessions keeps lying about this meeting because he knows there is a problem.

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    Devine Nunes just threatened the press (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:54:42 AM EST
    That if they want conversations investigated that Americans have had with the Russian embassy they (the press) can be investigated too for having conversations with the Russian embassy.

    He told the press they had better be careful what they ask for.

    Holy Chittlets

    They are really (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:56:15 AM EST
    scared of this story it seems. Issue a threat like that and the press is going to double down on this story. What an idiot.

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    Sessions must be p*ssed... (none / 0) (#28)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 12:14:38 PM EST
    just when he was going to block minorities from voting and destroy people's lives over marijuana use.  It's just no fun anymore.

    I was thinking... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 02:52:17 PM EST
    he could find a new career as a Grand Wizard, but he will have to take up smoking pot to be fully accepted by his white-hooded brethren.

    I will raise a bong tonight to the eminent early death of his Attorney General career...Hasta La Vista JB;)

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    Anybody notice the saber rattling against NKorea (none / 0) (#32)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 01:05:15 PM EST
    White House 'considers direct military action' to counter North Korean nuclear threat

    Meanwhile: North Korea threatens to

    'mercilessly foil the nuclear war racket of the aggressors with its treasured nuclear sword'


    Coincidence, perhaps. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 02:26:54 PM EST
    Or is it? None of this is going to end well.

    Parent
    Yes, I see a new (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:24:02 PM EST
    shiny object in our future. A deflection, perhaps, from Russia/Trump/Sessions: A new non-Muslim immigration ban or North Korea.  Or, just make something up, that does the trick for the core. Maybe, the Swedish Bowling Green Massacre at Nordstroms', third floor, Womens' Better Dresses.

    Parent
    Yeah, a country on the brink (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:10:57 PM EST
    Of starvation constantly is a real muscular bada$$

    Parent
    Well, to be honest, ... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:34:53 PM EST
    ... North Korea does possess nuclear weapons capability, and that's kinda / sorta scary. Further, it may also have the missile capacity to deliver such a warhead to Hawaii.

    That said, North Korea is to international diplomacy what Milo Yiannopolous is to cable news networks -- an attention-seeking shock queen. I'm sure its leadership would have to know and realize that any use of nuclear weapons against their neighbors would bring about their immediate annihilation.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    But Donald, Pakistan is fully nuclear capable (none / 0) (#160)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:18:17 AM EST
    And citizens who are not starving and killing US soldiers right now. So it's stupid to suggest North Korea is some grave threat. They are less capable of phucking some $hit up than just about anyone on the globe.

    Iran doesn't have nuclear capabilities and Iran is more capable of phucking some $hit up. This is all about generation of fear on Trump's part. The littlest Kim is trying to act tough. Burned another missile in, killed another family member, and because of fresh news Trump wants to prey on people.

    North Korea is on the brink of starvation every single day. His military is 2 inches shorter than their cousins from consistent brink of starvation. He can burn a missile in on someone for real and the rest of us would take him down in a heartbeat. He'd better calm himself down. And Trump don't get to play me.

    Parent

    But we're not discussing Pakistan. (none / 0) (#185)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:15:36 PM EST
    The issue here is North Korea and its wildly erratic regime. And while I don't believe that the folks in Pyongyang presently constitute an immediate threat, that threat nevertheless does exist. And desperation can sometimes drive people to do what was heretofore unthinkable.

    Parent
    The Strategy that Trump Should Try (none / 0) (#65)
    by RickyJim on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:03:41 PM EST
    is to make a deal with the Chinese that would get them not to fear a combined Korea as a neighbor.  Of course, the US would have to withdraw all its forces but it would be unnecessary to have them there in a unified Korea. Once the Chinese decide to withdraw economic support from NK, total collapse of that regime is close.

    Parent
    i actually agree (none / 0) (#120)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 11:12:27 PM EST
    a uniied korea and the withdrawl of u.s. forces.

    Parent
    Sessions taking questions (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:21:54 PM EST
    Seems stressed/scared. Needed a drink, had to hold firmly onto the cup, looked close to his hand shaking.

    Amb are gossipy :) A very Southern delegitimization.

    He continued (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:40:23 PM EST
    the misdirection
    the idea that I was part of a quote, "continuing exchange of information" during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government is totally false.
     That is the question that Senator Franken asked me at the hearing, and that's what got my attention. As he noticed -- noted, it was the first -- just breaking news. And it got my attention. And that is the question I responded to.
    That's not what Franken asked, not even close(though I suppose some one with a guilty conscience might hear it that way).

    He pretends that he was blindsided my these revelations

    I was taken aback a little bit about this brand new information
    but the record shows the Trump team was formally briefed on it 5 days earlier.

    Then back to the guilty conscience

    I had been called a surrogate for Donald Trump -- had been meeting continuously with Russian officials, and that's what I -- it struck me very hard, and that's what I focused my answer on
    .
    Also something something Ukraine, which seems to keep popping up like a bad penny in this saga.


    Parent
    The Ukraine (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:48:56 PM EST
    is about the pipeline I believe. They need the Ukraine as a transportation line for fossil fuels. This is also why Putin was messing in their election because he wanted a stooge that would go along with all that while the current President apparently loathes Putin. It's also why they and most eastern European countries along with Europe were horrified the day after the election.

    Parent
    He shared with White House counsel (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:24:40 PM EST
    He is recusing himself. He said he did meet twice with the ambassador and then ran away. No more questions

    Parent
    Good lord (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:36:40 PM EST
    I saw on twitter someone saying that a DC prosecutor can file charges against Sessions. Of course I have no idea if that is true or not.

    He still refuses to answer as to why he lied about being in contact with the Russians though I think most of us know why and that would be because his confirmation would be DOA garnering some GOP defections.

    Parent

    Cuz the Russian ambassador (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:43:30 PM EST
    Isn't a Russian operator kay Ga? He didn't meet with any Russian operators, just the ambassador. That's not meeting with Russians.

    Parent
    Will the media (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 03:48:07 PM EST
    say Sessions had a real nice tone?  And, this is the day that Sessions became Attorney General?  Waiting for Van Jones' analysis, also too.

    Parent
    Baa waa waa (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:00:14 PM EST
    Yeah, the one "ambassador" that the intelligence community says is about garnering assets for Putin here in the US.

    Neoconfederates sure do love them some Putin it seems.

    Parent

    Can you imagine if this was Hillary? (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by vicndabx on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:30:32 PM EST
    Where are the three blind mice today?  No comments on good 'ol Jeff?  No comments re: lying under oath?

    Parent
    As they are (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:43:43 PM EST
    drowning in the river they are screaming BUT HER EMAILS!!!!

    Parent
    No, I can't imagine it. (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:06:11 PM EST
    And that's because by most all honest accounts, Hillary Clinton is an ethical person, and she and her staff would never have done something this brazen and stupid.

    Now, if that tantalizing comment doesn't entice Chancellor Hailstone, Field Marshal Gallstone and Propaganda Minister Pebble to arise from the right-wing netherworld to defend their turf, nothing will. It's just too irresistible to pass up.

    ;-D

    Parent

    The Right blogosphere has already (none / 0) (#49)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 04:22:22 PM EST
    beaten the terms "witch hunt" and "McCarthyism" to death, and the investigations have barely gotten started..

    And here I was thinking that in the conservative universe, McCarthyism and (actual) witch hunts were unequivocally good things..

    I wonder how many times conservatives crowed "witch hunt!" during Watergate and Iran Contra?

    Parent

    OMG McCarthyism (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:46:19 PM EST
    That one makes me laugh. Do they not realize that Russia is no longer a communist country? It is a conservative dictatorship where no less than Franklin Graham has gone over to Russia and praised Putin. This is why I think looking at Putin is instructive as to what the GOP wants to do here.

    Parent
    Trey was on (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:46:49 PM EST
    Looked sheepish, oddly quiet-like. Could only really say without intent you can't get to perjury. Can't really say boo to the pursuit of the truth on this.

    Parent
    Well, that's right (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 05:52:06 PM EST
    about the intent. I think we all learned more about perjury than we ever wanted to know back in the 90's and how it has to be lying about pertinent facts etc. Perjury is to be figured out by a court of law. The fact that Sessions was meeting with a Russian spy needs no court to figure it out.

    Parent
    Because Sessions misled Congress and not ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 06:46:22 PM EST
    ... a federal court of law or federal investigators, I would think that the doctrine of separation of powers would require congressional leaders to decide whether or not to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney in D.C. for investigation and / or prosecution of perjury.

    As a member of the executive branch, it's not up to a federal prosecutor to make that determination on his or her own. Rather, Congress will have to request it.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    this is good, isnt it? (none / 0) (#67)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:23:38 PM EST
    Dr. Ben Carson sworn in as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).  

    OMG (5.00 / 6) (#68)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:50:53 PM EST
    n/t

    Parent
    IM NOT DEBATING (1.00 / 1) (#119)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM EST
    this anymore.

    i still feel, it's unlikely anyone on president trump's short-list would be a better pick.

    argue among yourselves.

    Parent

    argue among yourselves. (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 05:40:53 AM EST
    Good idea

    Parent
    Are you being ... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Yman on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 07:58:42 PM EST
    ... serious?

    Parent
    how is this not good? (none / 0) (#77)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:54:04 PM EST
    because Jack Kemp american football player was so much more AWESOMELY a better choice for Secretary of HUD?

    this position serves to foster public sector and private sector methods to meet the demands of public housing.

    i feel this is a good choice. im not aware that any republican president has made a better pick for this cabinent position.

    Parent

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:57:28 PM EST
    Kemp was a excellent choice

    Parent
    WHAT? (none / 0) (#89)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:11:37 PM EST
    kemp was an american football player and a libertarian true-believer.

    ref: "Kemp's free-market philosophies were a form of laissez-faire anarchy."

    Parent

    And on that account (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:15:14 PM EST
    how is Carson better? He doesn't believe in public housing and thinks it should be destroyed. Even Trump admits all his cabinet picks were chosen to destroy everything.

    Parent
    Jack Kemp (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:06:57 PM EST
    represented western NY in the house for many years and he actually believed in the mission of HUD having bought his first house with a HUD loan. To think Carson comes anywhere near the qualifications of Kemp is really out there. Carson is a savant who can do one thing: brain surgery. Carson has no idea about anything to do with housing. He's the Betsy DeVos of housing.

    Parent
    Once Again Fake News (none / 0) (#88)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:09:25 PM EST
    Carson is a savant who can do one thing: brain surgery.

    To even get to the heights he did,

    Sorry, try again

    Parent

    Betsy DeVos of Housing (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:28:10 PM EST
    is pretty accurate.

    In other words, a lightweight in over his head.

    Carson by all accounts he was a good surgeon who, at some point, hooked up with the "heights" of the big money right wing foundations, who are always fishing for black conservatives to promote their cause.

    Parent

    You don't (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    know what a savant is then. They can be very successful in one area which he was. You really need to start reading some other news sources then if you think like Trump everything that doesn't tell you what you want to hear is "fake news". Y'all have become like some kind of freakish cult or something screaming "fake news" at anything you don't like. LOL.

    Parent
    No, obviously (none / 0) (#94)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:18:26 PM EST
    You don't.

    Savant syndrome is a condition in which a person with a developmental difference demonstrates profound and prodigious capacities or abilities far in excess of what would be considered normal.[1][2][3] People with savant syndrome may have neurodevelopmental disorders, notably autism spectrum disorders, or brain injuries. The most dramatic examples of savant syndrome occur in individuals who score very low on IQ tests, while demonstrating exceptional skills or brilliance in specific areas, such as rapid calculation, art, memory, or musical ability.[4][5][6][7] Although termed a syndrome, it is not recognized as a mental disorder nor as part of a mental disorder in medical manuals such as the ICD-10[8] or the DSM-5.[9]

    Parent

    I guess you didn't (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:28:36 PM EST
    see the MAY HAVE part. That does not mean that all of them have autism. But something definitely is wrong with Carson because he does a lot of really strange stuff like having his picture painted with Jesus.

    Parent
    wiki says (none / 0) (#96)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:19:29 PM EST
    Savant syndrome is a condition in which a person with a developmental difference demonstrates profound and prodigious capacities or abilities far in excess of what would be considered normal. People with savant syndrome may have neurodevelopmental disorders, notably autism spectrum disorders, or brain injuries.


    Parent
    GA did not say Carson was diagnosable (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:33:46 PM EST
    with "savant syndrome." She said he was a savant. In ordinary usage, as I understand the term, this means a person with extraordinary or precocious abilities in one narrow area, far in excess of what would be expected, given their age, education, or general level of intelligence.

    Parent
    merriam-webster.com (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:45:45 PM EST
    this is the common usage of savant:

    a person affected with a mental disability (such as autism or mental retardation) who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field (such as mathematics or music).

    while "one with detailed knowledge in some specialized field" is also a dictionary usage; in common language one never hears of a "computer savant" for computer wiz or "piano savant" rather than piano virtuoso when the person does not have a disability.

    Parent

    Your insistence on quoting a dictionary (5.00 / 5) (#148)
    by Peter G on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:18:57 PM EST
    to correct my understanding of American English usage, is mentally and emotionally exhausting. A more appropriate response, IMHO, would have been to say "thank you," rather than to try to prove me wrong or to teach me to speak English better.

    Parent
    If you've read any 19th (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:24:07 PM EST
    and early 20th century literature, you'd know that the word "savant" was in common usage for a much longer time before the famous "savant syndrome" was diagnosed and discussed.

    Parent
    Why, Linea, did you leap (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by Towanda on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 10:28:47 PM EST
    past the first definition of savant on Merriam-Webster.com to the second definition . . . which is, it states, about an autistic savant -- or as it used to be colloquially and cruelly termed, an idiot savant.

    The first definition is this: "a person of learning; especially:  one with detailed knowledge in some specialized field."

    That obviously, as the first definition, is the relevant one in GA's usage.  It is you and Trevor who leapt to the second definition and syndrome.

    I swear, with this and your terming of Jack Kemp as a football player -- which is secondary even on your beloved source, Wikipedia, to his far more notable achievements in public service -- that you sometimes are trolling here.  

    Parent

    Well (none / 0) (#168)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:03:43 AM EST
    Being that the poster who made the reference to Carson, usually refers to anything resembling a Republican in the most foul and offensive terms possible,
    It was not a great mental leap to ascertain that was the intended meaning of the word.

    Parent
    Only in your mind (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:38:48 AM EST
    as I read it as, uh, what savant means.

    Parent
    I will go (none / 0) (#174)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 12:05:07 PM EST
    By what the poster usually refers to when speaking about Republicans, basically the most demeaning word use possible.

    Parent
    the most demeaning word use possible.. (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 12:41:50 PM EST
    you mean "Republicans"?

    Parent
    For you and others (none / 0) (#187)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:33:08 PM EST
    Of course

    As you snicker to yourself at how clever you are

    Parent

    There is his career... (none / 0) (#101)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:28:22 PM EST
    To even get to the heights he did,

    ...and then there are all the things he actually said over the past year that reveal a profound depth of ignorance about common subjects.

    I give you "Egyptian pyramids were for grain storage" as an example of absolute ignorance.

    Do you believe that what someone says might reflect his thoughts?  Because that's all we have to work with regarding Dr. Carson, and what we see is disturbingly stupid.

    Parent

    Who can forget the mental "heights" (none / 0) (#112)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:53:29 PM EST
    of "the Jews could have prevented the Holocaust if they had had enough guns"?

    Parent
    OK !! FORGET (none / 0) (#93)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:17:35 PM EST
    jack kemp

    my point is is that ben carson is a good pick by a Republican President for this cabinrt position. wiki says jack kemp was a footballer and libertarian. that's the only reason i used him as a bad example. im not debating jack kemp!!

    Parent

    Lol (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:19:16 PM EST
    Wise move, fold when you don't have a hand

    Parent
    thsnk you {{ }} (none / 0) (#97)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:20:25 PM EST
    In 1982, Jack Kemp (none / 0) (#118)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:22:44 PM EST
    learned of the mass migration of the Ixil Maya as a result of the genocidal campaign by Rios-Montt, whom Reagan praised as a great humanitarian.

    Kemp had a lot of food stuffs sent down to Guatemala.  The food never made it and rotted or was stolen.  But Kemp did try something....Typical Kemp.  He would have done better to have opposed Reagan's support of Rios-Montt.

    Parent

    HUD Secretaries selected by Republican (none / 0) (#109)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:44:47 PM EST
    Presidents who were better in the position than Carson could possibly turn out to be ... because you and I both like Wikipedia:  George W. Romney, Carla Hills, Alphonso Jackson.

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    Uhhhhmmmm (none / 0) (#132)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 07:04:25 AM EST
    Because he's not remotely qualified to ruin a federal agency.  Because he's taken positions on the issues which are directly contradictory to HUD's mission.  Because he's taken positions on issues that aren't rational or based in fact.

    That should get you started.

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    I beg to differ, Yman. (5.00 / 4) (#137)
    by vml68 on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 11:17:08 AM EST
    I think he is perfectly qualified to "ruin" a federal agency :-)!

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    It seems to be kinda the idea.. (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 11:33:11 AM EST
    if you take Bannon the Nihilist at his word..

    Pick a guy to head the Department of Energy who didn't know what the DOE Was a couple of years ago, and then pick Carson to head HUD..

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    Hah! (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 12:49:09 PM EST
    Sometimes autofill knows best!

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    I suppose it could be good, ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:25:42 PM EST
    ... if you're fond of Blake Edwards' "Pink Panther" movie series with Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau.

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    sorry (none / 0) (#79)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 08:55:42 PM EST
    i dont understand the question.

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    It was not (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 09:45:21 PM EST
    a question.

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    my understanding (none / 0) (#117)
    by linea on Thu Mar 02, 2017 at 10:16:08 PM EST
    front news reports during the republican presidential primaries is that ben carson is popular among african americans and  has an inner-city upper-secondary school named after him. seemed a resonable advocate to me.

    In 1994, Dr. Carson and his wife, Candy, began what is now the Carson Scholars Fund Inc., which recognizes high school students for academic and humanitarian achievement. The fund has awarded 1,040 scholarships. Last year, Dr. Carson co-founded the Benevolent Endowment Fund to help cover the medical expenses of uninsured and underinsured brain surgery patients




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    No idea where your ... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 07:00:10 AM EST
    ... "understandings" come from, but perhaps a better justification for Carson's nomination would be his actual qualifications for the job, rather than the fact that someone named a school after him and that you believe he's "popular ang among AAs."

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    BTW - Your claim that Ben ... (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:23:23 PM EST
    ... Carson is popular among African Americans is wrong.  His approval rating was 22%.

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    ... my pop culture reference, since it's probably an obscure one to anyone under 40 years of age. In the "Pink Panther" films, Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau is a pompous buffoon. And in my estimation, so is Dr. Carson.

    Peter Sellers' Inspector Clouseau is one of film comedy's iconic characters, having first appeared in director Blake Edwards' original 1963 film "The Pink Panther." The bungling French detective proved so popular with movie audiences that Sellers reprised the role four times over the next 17 years before his death in 1980.

    Aloha.

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    thank you and my apologies too (none / 0) (#195)
    by linea on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:11:57 PM EST
    i asked my friends last night about ben carson and apparently im wrong. i thought he was the most popular among the republican presidential candidates but i was mistaken. ive already admitted i knew absolutely nothing about jack kemp and only used him as an example because he was a footballer and a libertatian and i hate footballers and libertarians. i also did not realize that HUDs "program structure lends itself naturally to profiteering... without careful oversight, the agency can easily become a slush fund to distribute sweetheart contracts to the administration's buddies."

    Ben Carson May Be the Perfect Trump HUD Secretary

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    Jack Kemp (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:21:33 PM EST
    was an American football player, quarterback, not a footballer , as they call them across the pond.
    And libertarians can be quite engaging!

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    Tonight at The Cap... (none / 0) (#135)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 10:11:30 AM EST
    the Basquait of the B3, the Hammurabi of the Hammond...Mr. Melvin Seals & JGB!!!  With special guest John Kadlecik.  And the best Tacos de Lengua I've yet to find in the metro area right up the street in old Port Chester...pleasin' all them senses on this Friday night.

    I should just forward my paycheck to The Cap at this point...Phil Lesh coming up right behind for a St. Pats mini-run, never to be missed.  Wave that flag b*tches ;)

    called in to Jewish organizations were done by Juan Thompson, a former reporter for The Intercept.

    The Intercept's most well known reporter is Glenn Greenwald, and Thompson was fired about a year ago from the news website when it was discovered that he was fabricating sources, etc.

    The motive for the threats was apparently an attempt to harass his former girlfriend. According to the WaPo, on Thompson's Twitter page he:

    rails about an ex-girlfriend he describes as a "nasty/racist #whitegirl." In one tweet, Thompson accused the woman of harassing and threatening him before saying she had framed him for a bomb threat to a Jewish Community Center.

    Thompson's page also expresses disdain for President Trump and white people generally.  Trump earlier this week condemned the anti-Semitic threats and vandalism, his second such condemnation, but in a meeting with attorneys general he also questioned who was behind it and apparently suggested that it may have been the work of his political opponents.



    IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by linea on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:21:00 PM EST
    neo-nazi "white nationalists" coordinating bomb threats and vandalism across the country.

    with TLers actively chastizing and ridiculing anyone who suggested waiting for the investigations to conclude.

    so far we have:

    • an african american male angry at his jewish ex-girlfriend.
    • law enforcement reporting that many of the calls originated from overseas.



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    That's IT?!? (none / 0) (#194)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:10:50 PM EST
    Did you check Wikipedia???

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    i cant find (none / 0) (#199)
    by linea on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:23:37 PM EST
    the wiki article.  i googled "wiki jewish center bomb threats" and "wiki anti-semitic bomb threats,"  can you provide the link?

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    I'd imagine... (none / 0) (#144)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 12:59:09 PM EST
    the coppers have the phone/internet record evidence to back this up, in which case f*ck that guy, on so many levels.

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    Seems like they do. (none / 0) (#146)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:08:33 PM EST
    The only thing crazier would be... (none / 0) (#147)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:10:57 PM EST
    if it was a frame-up by the ex...

    The Aristocrats.

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    Ha! This dude simply sounds unstable... (none / 0) (#149)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 01:22:32 PM EST
    ...like many of those who, sadly, make national news.

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    But but but (none / 0) (#170)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:17:52 AM EST
    He was supposed to love Trump!

    I know its so!

    Because Donald In Hawaii told me so!

    ;-)

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    Chris Coons (none / 0) (#152)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 05:00:38 PM EST
    is saying that the FBI has transcripts showing the Trump campaign colluding with Russia.

    Man, you just gotta love Fox News (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 05:17:17 PM EST
    or, as someone called them, Fixed Noose..

    Their intentionally misleading, borderline-Fake headline is "Sessions not alone: Russian Ambassador also met with numerous Democrats", and then you read the article and find out the Ambassador met with some Democrat senators in 2013..

    A Twitter hit today (none / 0) (#154)
    by Towanda on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 05:55:04 PM EST
    is a screen capture from a Fox News report, with the streamer saying:  

    Nothing to See Here.  

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    Schumer (none / 0) (#155)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 06:48:39 PM EST
    spoke to Putin in public and Trump tried to use that and Schumer took him apart on twitter. He then moved onto Pelosi who like 9 years ago was across the room from the Russian ambassador/spy. All I can say is this Russian thing is really getting to him judging by his behavior.

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    Not just Trump.. (none / 0) (#156)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 08:30:47 PM EST
    this thing has all his minions, online and off, in angry-swarm mode. Like hornets pouring out of a hive someone hit with a rock.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 03, 2017 at 09:05:18 PM EST
    I noticed they started screeching again about Hillary's email. I guess they don't know that nobody cares about that except them and their conspiracy theories. Then there is Pence which kind of send them into pretzels attempting to defend him and explain how it is "different".

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    Crazy (none / 0) (#159)
    by FlJoe on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 07:18:58 AM EST
    clean up needed on aisle 45
    Donald Trump has accused Barack Obama of "wire tapping" his offices in New York City before the presidential election in November last year, claiming the former president had overseen a "Nixon/Watergate"-style intervention.

    Launching a series of tweets at 5.35am eastern time on Saturday morning, the US president said: "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my `wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

    He followed up that initial tweet with a string of others in the following 30 minutes that claimed Obama had defied a court rejection to tap his office, and invited a "good lawyer" to make a case against the alleged process.

    Although a Nixon style intervention does sound tempting.

    "McCarthyism" again.. (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 12:51:00 PM EST
    McCarthyism and witch hunts..

    And here I thought McCarthy was a hero to these people..

    Someone should remind Little Boots of who his mentor Roy Cohn worked for.

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    Certifiable (none / 0) (#161)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:22:12 AM EST
    The sad part is that his ignorant supporters actually believe these ridiculous, tinfoil conspiracy theories.

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    Coocoo.... (none / 0) (#175)
    by desertswine on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 12:06:31 PM EST
    It's time to call out the men in the white suits and big butterfly nets for "Crazy Don."

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    That's because they're just as -- ... (none / 0) (#182)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 02:32:49 PM EST
    ... -- well, you know.

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    Incoming!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#162)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:43:03 AM EST
    Looks like President Trump has decided that his administration won't be a "free fire zone."

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    Excellent (none / 0) (#163)
    by FlJoe on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 10:49:15 AM EST
    take away the nuclear codes, and probably keep all sharp objects from some of them.

    My preferred moniker is fact free zone.

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    If you don't wanna fight (none / 0) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM EST
    Don't start one!

    One fake claim.

    Deserves another.

    And yes, the claim that the Russians changed our election is as fake as a $3.00 bill.

    Did they try?

    Probably as much as Obama tried to change Israel's.

    Did the Obama administration ask the Soviet Union for help against Trump?

    No, but Kennedy did against Reagan.

    Forbes

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    Name (none / 0) (#171)
    by FlJoe on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:30:26 AM EST
    my fake claim, your $3.00 is just a strawman. The fact is that all evidence points Russians attempting to influence the election, with all of agencies agreeing and most of the sane Republicans buying into it. Whether there actions had any sucesss is besides the point and probably can not ever be proved one way or the other.

    Or are you suggesting that tRump himself has the right to make a fake claim(no matter how outrageous) when he he sees something false(real or perceived)?

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    Read my lips (none / 0) (#181)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 02:28:49 PM EST
    I am saying the Left is making a concentrated effort to destroy Trump.

    Only thing is they don't seem to be having much success.

    The only success the Russians may have had was giving Wikileaks some of the nasty stuff the DNC was saying about minorities and each other.

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    All (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by FlJoe on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:04:44 PM EST
    I am saying is that Trump is making a concentrated effort to destroy himself. Is it the "left" who is forcing his staff to lie? Is it the "left" that his waking him up in the morning to tweet some absolute batsht crazy conspiracy theory?

    Remember Jim, the "left" was neutered in the last election, right now we are for the most part standing on the sidelines with our passionate but relatively powerless Resistance.

    If you want to argue about an entity that is out to get tRump I would look to the so called Deep State. Powerful people in the government, current and former, from the left and right are talking to the press in a weird reversal of speaking truth to power.

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    You are now making wild accusations ... (none / 0) (#184)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:08:54 PM EST
    ... that are totally without foundation.

    Look, Jim, whether you like it or not, it's painfully obvious that these allegations regarding the Trump campaign's possible collusion with the Russians are not going away any time soon.

    Rather, the scandal has instead increased in both size and scope, to the point where it's consumed a national security advisor and compromised the Attorney General. This is indeed very serious. There is an awful lot of smoke billowing about, all of which very strongly hints of a major fire.

    And at some point, you and other Republicans will ultimately be judged on whether or not you are capable of putting our country's collective national interests before your own personal political desires.

    I very strongly suggest that you seriously think about what you're about to say, before you merely double down again.

    Aloha.

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    Bull$hit (none / 0) (#190)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:51:35 PM EST
    The only success the Russians may have had was giving Wikileaks some of the nasty stuff the DNC was saying about minorities and each other.

    I'd accuse you of taking your the pathological prevaricator that you worship, but you were doing that long before he ever ran for office.

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    Correct (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 03:55:04 PM EST
    They also informed The Bernistas, or rather confirmed The Bernistas belief that the primaries were rigged

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    "Rigged" - heh (none / 0) (#193)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:09:49 PM EST
    Maybe if you and your Cheetoh-in-Chief get together, you can buy your tinfoil in bulk.

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    Tell that to (none / 0) (#196)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:18:56 PM EST
    The Bernistas!!  

    perez made a wise move in getting Ellison as the #2, but whether that will mollify The Bernistas is yet to be seen. It will all depend upon the direction of the party.

    ATLANTA (CNN)Progressive activists lashed out at the Democratic Party on Saturday after their choice to lead its national committee, Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, was defeated by former Obama administration Labor Secretary Tom Perez in a tight and unexpectedly contentious contest.

    After the results were announced, angry Ellison loyalists rose from their seats in the back of the ballroom at the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel and tried to shout down outgoing interim chair Donna Brazile, chanting, "Party for the people, not big money!"
    "This shows that the Democratic Party didn't learn their lesson," said Alexa Vaca, an Ellison backer and supporter of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders during the party's divisive 2016 primary race. "They are not going to be in touch with the people and they are not ready to move in a new direction despite the rhetoric.



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    No - I'll tell it to you (none / 0) (#197)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:21:31 PM EST
    You're the one here pushing this stupid conspiracy theory, although if it was a Bernista rather than a tinfoil Trump apologist, I'd be happy to tell them the same thing.

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    It is there (none / 0) (#200)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:23:38 PM EST
    If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it really fall.

    If there is a issue within the DNC, and no one on Talk Left dare speak about it,
    Did it actually occur?

    Echo chambers

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    almost seems (none / 0) (#202)
    by linea on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:47:44 PM EST
    as if americans are dividing into anti-globalist anti-corporate democratic-socialists (in the european sense) and anti-globalist national populists (à la front national).

    as the dems steadfastly maintain their centrist pro-corporatist position and reject the progressives... we can all look forward to two terms for president trump and a dramatic win by tila tequila in 2024.

    because seriously, if you cant beat a game-show host who runs on the slogan "i'll build a wall and make mexico pay for it" you really need to make some changes.

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    Oh, look! (none / 0) (#201)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 04:25:29 PM EST
    One of those "Bernistas" agreeing with your tinfoil CT that the "primaries were rigged"!

    Alas, that doesn't support your claim.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

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    Did the Trump-Bannon crime syndicate (none / 0) (#173)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 04, 2017 at 11:46:20 AM EST
    ask for help from the Russians?

    It's looking more and more like they did.

    How much it effected the election outcome is hard to guage.

    But judging by the hysterical overreaction coming from the right wing swarm, the current inquries are getting a little too close for comfort.

    Fasten your seatbelts, you guys are in for a bumpy ride.

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