Election Day Across America: A Day of Firsts

Democrats won from coast to coast yesterday.

In addition to Dems taking both Governor races in New Jersey and Virginia, it was a day of firsts: The first transgender legislator in Virgina.

The first Sikh Mayor in Hoboken, NJ. And Charlote, NC elects its first African-American Mayor.

This does not bode well for Donald Trump. Aside from the election results, which are impossible to disassociate from unhappiness with his occupancy of the oval office, there's this: [More...]

A new poll by NBC of voters in the districts filled with predominately white, less educated, rural voters that flipped in 2016, finds a plurality of them think the country is worse off than before he "won."

One year after Donald Trump’s shocking election upset, many Americans who live in the key counties that propelled him to victory remain unconvinced that the country is better off now that he’s in the White House, a new poll from NBC News and The Wall Street Journal shows.

The poll, which sampled residents of 438 counties that either flipped from voting Democratic in the 2012 presidential election to Republican in 2016, or saw a significant surge for Trump last year, found that ...a plurality — 41 percent — say the country is worse off now than it was when Trump became commander in chief. An additional 26 percent say the state of the nation has remained about the same.

And overall, slightly more than half — 53 percent — say they do not think Trump has a clear agenda on how to address the major issues facing the country.

One way to look at all this: In the first national elections with no reported Russian interference since 2016, association with Donald Trump had a substantial negative impact. One wonders whether but for Russia's ads, he would have even carried these rural hotbeds of discontent in 2016. I hope Robert Mueller's investigation will ultimately provide an answer to that question.

< Tuesday Open Thread: Baby Day | Friday Open Thread: TL (Grand) Baby Karter News >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft

  • Display: Sort:
    What a great... (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:20:13 AM EST
    belated birthday present.

    Locally, the anti-voucher/anti DeaVos schol board candidates won in bright, bright red Douglas County. The GOP must be pooping their pants.

    Pooping their pants (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:33:27 AM EST
    And planning retirement.  

    Seriously, this changes everything.  And it won't take till next year.  I predict you are going to see those who what to stay distancing themselves from Trump starting today.

    Which as we know is MY birthday.  And this one almost, not quite but almost, makes up for the last one.


    Happy Scorpio Birthday! (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:17:17 AM EST
    Happy Birthday Sonny. (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 11:41:23 AM EST
    Happy Birthday to you and Capn :) (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Cashmere on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 11:09:50 AM EST
    Pooping their pants (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:35:22 AM EST
    And planning retirement.  

    Seriously, this changes everything.  And it won't take till next year.  I predict you are going to see those who what to stay distancing themselves from Trump starting today.

    Which as we know is MY birthday.  And this one almost, not quite but almost, makes up for the last one.


    Happy Birthday, youngster. (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:45:40 AM EST
    Hope you have a great one.  Mine's coming soon too but this year I'm really skipping it.  

    Happiest of birthdays, Cap'n. (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:31:36 AM EST
    Watched the Chris Hayes interview with Ms. Brazile.  

    Was pleased to see that he, at least, called her on the use of the word "rigged," over her protestations, but really, the best part was that election night overshadowed her presence on the set (even though she, as usual, had to tell us all about her part in it).

    The Donna Brazile Irrelevance Tour chugs on.


    Also funny (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 09:05:32 AM EST
    When told her she was really happy because she was going to be blamed for any losses.

    Harvey Gantt was Charlotte's 1s AA Mayor (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:50:10 AM EST
    Charlotte just elected its first African American female mayor.

    Gantt is worth remembering right now, because Jesse Helms infamous "Hands commercial".  

    Perhaps the biggest suprise ... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:24:00 AM EST
    ... from yesterday's election was the Democratic Party's surge all across the Commonwealth of Virginia, thanks in large part to an unexpectedly heavy voter turnout.

    Ralph Northam rather handily won what had otherwise been expected to be a very tight gubernatorial race with Republican Ed Gillespie, defeating him by a comfortable margin of nine percentage points.

    And it looks like Northam had coattails. Democratic legislative candidates obliterated the GOP's 32-seat majority in the House of Delegates and depending on the tallying of provisional ballots in three districts, appear poised to perhaps take control of that body.

    P.S. to Jeralyn: Vi Lyles is the first African-American woman to be elected Mayor of Charlotte, NC. The first African-American to hold that post was Harvey Gantt, who was elected back in 1983. Some may remember him from his ill-fated 1990 Senate campaign against incumbent Jesse Helms, who successfully parried Gantt's surprisingly strong challenge with a now-notorious racist ad called "Hands."


    And 10 of the 14 new legislators (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 12:21:14 PM EST
    In Virginia are women, enraged by what was done to HRC but also encouraged by her example to become candidates.

    Twenty thousand women aceoss the country plan to become candidates, because ofmthe disgraceful 2016 campaign.

    This is My Revolution.

    (As for Our Revolution, Bernie's candidate lost, I read. But Clinton, in a step unusual formher, endorased a local candidate in NY, who won yuuuuugely.)


    Yes, Run for something (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:52:30 PM EST
    an organization that Hillary has been funding and was founded by a former member of her campaign had a 40% success rate late night. Great number for someone's first time out.

    Donald (none / 0) (#10)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 09:08:38 AM EST
    How was the 747 ride back to Honolulu? There is a story in today's USA Today about the trip. Sounds like you all had a big party.

    It was a lot of fun. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 05:05:33 AM EST
    The whole motif was 1970 retro, and there were big ceremonies in both San Francisco and Honolulu to mark the occasion. It was altogether fitting that United picked SFO-HNL as the B747's swan song, since the very first commercial flight of a United B747 was between the same two airports 47 years ago in July 1970.

    It was great to be a part of history at the close of an era, as the B747 truly revolutionized air travel, particularly to Hawaii. (Within five years of the aircraft's 1970 debut, the number of visitors to the islands had quadrupled.) As for the flight itself, the 110mph headwinds were such that it took nearly six hours to get to HNL, so we were an hour late. I don't think anybody really minded, though.

    As for myself, I was tired by the time we got to Honolulu, because I had left the Shiloh Inn in Bend, OR for Redmond Airport at 5:00 a.m., and it was a 1 hour, 40 minute flight from Redmond / Bend to SFO, followed by a 2-1/2 hour layover. So it was a very long day of travel for me. But it was a fun flight. They don't call the B747 the "Grande Dame" for nothing.

    I'll miss the B747.


    One last post on the final UA B747 flight: (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 06:40:20 PM EST
    Fellow passenger Ben Wang just posted a beautiful video of our flight's Golden Gate Bridge fly-by. Unfortunately, I was sitting on the other side of the plane, so I only had a view of downtown San Francisco, Oakland Bay Bridge and Tiburon before we turned west and climbed out over the Pacific. Still, it was a gorgeous departure from SFO.

    For years and years... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:52:11 PM EST
    the GOP has been slowly but surely working to occupy local and state political positions - from school boards and city councils to State legislatures and AG offices - to make sure their agenda is furthered. They, unfortunatly, have been very, very successful at this.

    Yesterday saw Progressives push back against that trend.

    From Washington State, where the Democrats are on the cusp of controlling all three branches and pursuing a very progressive agenda and where Seattle elected its first female Mayor since the 1926 and 6 of its 9 council members will be women, to Colorado where progressives now control the 3 largest school boards and a slew of progressive issues passed, to Maine with its Medicaid expansion, yesterday was a good day.

    As they say, all politics is local - and I sure hope the gains of yesterday are not fleeting.

    my perspective (none / 0) (#26)
    by linea on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:31:58 PM EST
    pursuing a very progressive agenda and where Seattle elected its first female Mayor

    the choice in seattle was between the progressive-dem Cory Moon (who would have been better for urban people, the poor, and the homeless) vs. centrist-dem Jenny Durkan who wants to bulldoze homless encampments and ticket, boot, and tow cars that poor people are living in. my opinion, the wealthy seattle homeowners and corporate business interests won.


    Sign of the times? (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:50:48 PM EST
    In the deepest, darkest Tea Party strongholds of Colorado Springs and Grand Junction, voters approved increased taxes for both infastructure and schools.

    Have they figured out that tRump isn't going to do anything for them or was it simply necessity over ideology. Time will tell.

    One thing for sure, If they've lost CS and GJ, It does not bode well for the GOP in next years state wide elections.

    Intriguing; thanks (none / 0) (#30)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:30:51 AM EST
    for information from the local level, and in such locales. Information we do not see reported in media elsewhere, but yes, this could be portentous.

    Now, if I see similar signs in infamous Waukesha in Wisconsin, which elelcted Walker as governor and put Trump over the top in the state -- since Walker's voter suppression cost 'way more than the win margin, a loss of at least 41,000 votes in Milwaukee, and more in Madison -- I will report.

    But don't hold your breath. Walker just announced his run fir re-election to a third term


    Instead of the Democrats (4.43 / 7) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 10:40:31 AM EST
    busying themselves with high fives and pats on the back, how about they get busy with a race that really counts. As in the Alabama Senate. The party seems to be hesitant to engage there. Roy Moore is so far out there, that seat is winnable if they'll put money and effort into winning. Stop rolling over and fight.

    Perez (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 01:26:33 PM EST
    is now focusing on the Alabama race from what I have read. However it being Alabama you might want to keep that kind of thing on the down low.

    I am liking Perez more (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:28:40 PM EST

    He seems (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 02:50:18 PM EST
    to be listening to the voters.

    But, but, what about (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 03:53:40 PM EST
    Tweety and the pundits?  Democrats can't win by being just against Trump; what is the Democrats message?  what about those of "economic anxiety", in PA, MI and, of course, maybe jettison all that political correctness/identity politics (e.g, minorities).

    I think 2018 needs to continue the resistance to Trump with emphasis on a Democratic Congress needed for a check on Trump.  Also, in 2020 (if Trump is still a factor), a continuation along with the deletion of the bad Trump policies and the addition of good Democratic policies that are sure to get the sustained attention of the media, rather than be submerged under something like emails.  


    listening to republicans this afternoon (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 04:10:47 PM EST
    has been amazing.  ive only seen one that gets it.  or admits he gets it.

    i suspect more actually get it but prefer to say things like Orrin Hatch - if Trump had gotten "more involved" it might have been different.

    not a surprise the one who gets it and admits it is a congressman from VA.

    i can only hope they are as cluless as they are acting.  if so it will be an epic bloodbath next year.


    I saw what (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:14:42 PM EST
    that rep from Virginia said and I agree. He fully understands what is going on.

    You have a lot (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:14:09 PM EST
    more faith in the media to talk about issues than I do. Since 2000 they have basically become stenographers of nonsense like who do you want to have a beer with or emails. They're part of the reason the electorate has been so angry. They never even gave hard questions to George W. Bush about Iraq.

    The media (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 06:22:24 PM EST
    Has been pretty much unanimously saying for days Northam would lose.

    Didn't seem to matter much.


    Yes (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 08:49:18 PM EST
    that was one part that I absolutely loved about it. The media idiocy did not win the day.

    The best part was people were retweeting Chris Cilizza's predictions and mocking them. It's another way the women are getting back at his misogyny. Why that idiot even has a job is beyond me.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 12:26:06 PM EST
    this will help
    Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
    ...but then again it's Alabama.

    Prior to 2001 (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 01:53:08 PM EST
    14 was the legal age for marriage in Alabama. I would hazard a guess Mr. Moore probably took that for an age of consent.

    Where and from whom (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 01:59:15 PM EST
    have we heard this before:

    "Judge Roy Moore has endured the most outlandish attacks on any candidate in the modern political arena


    Top Alabama official (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 04:50:57 PM EST
    the state auditor, explains that it's just goin' by what the Good Book sez.

    He points out that Mary was a teenager, and Joseph was an adult, and they became the parents of Jeebus.  So, it can be a durn good thang.

    I must have missed the part about Joseph sexually assaulting Mary -- since the Good Book sez she was a virgin and remained a virgin.

    The initimable Alexandra Petri of WaPo (don't miss her column, Petri Dishes) posts the Winning Tweet of the Day.  She calls the state official's statement "an immaculate misconception."


    Boy (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 05:43:34 PM EST
    One thing the last year has made crystal clear is the utter creepy moral bankruptcy and shameless hypocrisy of the so called Christian right

    Amazing Grace! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 04:27:23 AM EST
    How sweet the sound
    That saved a wretch like Roy.
    He should be lost, but 'Bama shrugs --
    "At least it weren't a boy."

    Hehehe wasn't dead (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 07:35:42 AM EST
    So he slides on the dead girl live boy loophole

    The state representative from Geneva (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 10:39:57 AM EST
    (I can't believe I know where that is)

    Says the accusers should be criminally charged now.


    Ugh, and now this (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 10:42:01 AM EST
    After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

    "I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "I'm not saying I support what he did."


    And there you have it. (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 11:14:44 AM EST
    These people have no morals. No ethics. No dignity. No backbone. Not a "stand up guy" amongst them. Their religion is false. Their bible isn't worth a roll of Charmin. Kind of goes back to tRump's claim of being able to shoot someone on 10th Avenue (or wherever) and people would still support him. HRC's use of the term deplorable was too nice. I have many other more descriptive adjectives our host would probably not like.

    My wife recently admonished a neighbor for calling tRump a "d-bag." My wife claimed that was an insult to real d-bags.

    It's all OK because of, you know, Jeebus. They can find justification for any act with their phony, BS religion. It's satan, it's evildoers, they're imperfect and the lord will forgive. They religious diarrhea never stops.


    ... an unctuously sanctimonious moral reprobate like Roy Moore over Doug Jones, the former prosecutor who finally achieved a sense of justice for the victims and survivors of the 1963 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham by securing criminal convictions of the white-wing terrorists responsible for that atrocity, tells us all we need to know about the black heart of Dixie.

    Old Testament biblically speaking... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 02:14:42 PM EST
    32 and 14 is probably kosher, and that's the only (im)moral code Roy Moore pretends to care about.    

    I predict a bump in the polls after this story for Dirty Old Roy.


    Mooned over Alabama (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by leap on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 04:51:44 PM EST
    This is my favorite defense of Judge Roy Bea...er, uh, Moore:

    "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

    "There's just nothing immoral or illegal here," Ziegler concluded. "Maybe just a little bit unusual."

    Not unusual for Repubes, apparently. Well, or not for many non-Repubes, also, too.


    "Nothing immoral or illegal" (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:49:03 PM EST
    unless you believe what the then-14-year-old told the Washington Post. Because what she describes was in fact classified as a felony at the time under Alabama law, according to a seemingly competent legal assessment in the Post story. And if you don't believe it is immoral on the part of a (then) 34-year-old county prosecutor to take a 14-year-old to his home, miles from hers -- a girl he met in the courthouse during a hearing on her mother's divorce -- strip to his underwear, remove her clothes down to her underwear, touch her breasts and genitals (through her underwear) and place her hand on his erect p*nis (again, through his underwear). Call me prissy, but that sounds immoral to me.

    Just heard a guy (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:03:13 PM EST
    A reporter say he spent the day talking to AL republicans and "several" said that even if it was all true they would still vote for him rather than a democrat.

    So we have arrived.  They would literally and apparently proudly vote for a child molester as long as he is a republican.


    Btw (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:05:00 PM EST
    That was not men on the street he was talking to but elected state officials who went on the record saying this.

    Were those (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:06:21 PM EST
    Republican officials or just regular GOP voters in Alabama?

    He said (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:08:44 PM EST
    He could hardly believe what he was hearing.

    It appears he will run and may well win.

    So then it get interesting.  Do they seat him in the Senate?


    It would not be surprising (none / 0) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 01:39:54 PM EST
    if the new Republican plan is to hope Moore wins and, subsequently, resigns.  The governor appoints a senator, and the Sessions replacement project starts anew.  

    They surely (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 03:46:34 PM EST
    know that plan would not work. Moore had to be forcibly removed from the Al Supreme Court. I guess the only way to get rid of Moore is if they refuse to seat him. They can have an all out holy war over that one.

    I wish I could say I was surprised, (none / 0) (#63)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 07:06:20 AM EST
    but I'm not - and how sad and disgusting and troubling is that?

    Not only does this show how Republicans are willing to put politics and power ahead of pretty much anything else, but it also is a crystal-clear indication that these people do not respect women, are deeply and dangerously hypocritical and have no business lecturing anyone on religious or moral matters.

    The lid has come off Pandora's box, and it is every bit as ugly as we suspected.


    Josh Moore offers a scathing critique ... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 12:57:18 PM EST
    ... of the Alabama Republican Party and the depths to which both its leaders and the state citizens they govern have plunged:

    "What's it going to take, Alabama voter? [...] Take a look around you. We're terrible as a state. We're near the bottom in public education, medical care, infrastructure, economy and upward mobility and at the top in infant mortality, poverty, obesity and political corruption.

    "Our budgets are consistently a mess -- we're going to have to magically find $100 million somewhere next year -- and our state services are so underfunded that they're all but worthless. We're short on troopers, courthouse workers, road crews, maintenance personnel and teachers.

    This is what the Roy Moore Republican Party has brought Alabama.


    "Right now, you have a choice between two men. One of those men is most famous for courageously prosecuting the domestic terrorists who bombed a church and killed four girls. The other is most famous for being kicked off the Supreme Court twice for refusing to follow the law and for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14-year-old. You're doing Cirque du Soleil-level contortions to justify voting for the latter.

    "Let us know if you ever find that muddy bottom."



    Just the facts (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:34:35 PM EST
    Sorry. Moore was 32 not 34 when this (allegedly) happened.

    Does it matter? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 04:38:46 AM EST
    In 24-36 hours, the Alabama GOP will be spinning this sordid story into a tale of redemption and persecution, with Roy Moore as the "victim."

    Helluva thing, when Kevin Spacey and Moore (allegedly) commit the same offense, and the former (rightly) loses his job while the latter will likely (and inexplicably) get promoted.



    There are supporters on Twitter ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:37:40 PM EST
    ... who are comparing Roy Moore to Moses pf the Old Testament, who's leading his people to the Promised Land. Funny, but I always thought that Moses is best known for parting the Nile, and not partisan denial.

    Not a bible guy (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:46:00 PM EST
    But wasn't it the Red Sea?


    Red Sea, I think. (none / 0) (#53)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:47:42 PM EST
    But wait, didn't you know that if it wasn't for the 30-something Joseph, the Virgin Mary wouldn't have given us Jesus?

    So, really, how bad could it be for a 32-year old Roy Moore to sexually abuse a 14-year old girl?  Maybe he was looking for his own Mary, and thought he was meant to bring the world another Jesus?



    Jesus has left the building. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 12:40:50 PM EST
    Last Night was the beginning of the end for (none / 0) (#28)
    by hilts on Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 10:10:30 PM EST
    Donald J. Trumpenstein.

    I'm trying to withold some judgement (none / 0) (#31)
    by CST on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:39:26 AM EST
    of the American people until I see how 2018 shakes out.  It's one thing to make a massive mistake.  It's another thing to see the massive mistake and not recognize it as such.

    This is a good start.

    They will never admit (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:42:21 AM EST
    It was a mistake.  I know these people.  Trump is failing because of the establishment and the deep state.

    They will not be won over.  They can only be over powered.



    I don't mean the true believers (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by CST on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 10:55:34 AM EST
    I mean the people who pulled R because R, or the people who stayed home because it "didn't matter anyway", or the people who quietly voted for Trump because they thought he'd make america great again even if they weren't screaming it from the rooftops.

    It doesn't have to be everyone, it just has to be enough.

    Also the upper-middle class people who thought he'd lower their taxes...  I have to admit - there is some level of schadenfreude over that one right now.


    tRumpism (none / 0) (#34)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 11:23:42 AM EST
    cannot fail, it can only be failed, losers who do not approve of tRump  who are the true drag on America.

    Digby is right, they truly are a cult.

    It's been less than a week since anyone checked the temperature of the might Trump voter but the one year mark from the election does seem like a good time to go back and ask some of them how they feel today. Guess what? They still love him and theinly thing he could do to change their minds would be for him to become a decent human being.

    I agree. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 11:38:35 AM EST
    It's all lies. Lies! Lies I tell you. Fake news.

    I agree (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 02:16:51 PM EST
    I see the same thing.

    Have some reservations... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 01:54:32 PM EST
    about NJ Governor Elect Phil Murphy, being a financier in the Goldman Sachs mold before getting into politics...but if he makes good on his pledge for legal reefer in New Jersey in his first 100 days with storefronts open in 2019, I'll be first in line at the GWB to go spend some do-re-mi in Jersey, and gratefully shake his hand for taking a cut in taxes.  Sh&t I'll swim across the Hudson for some of that action!  And be making more trips to the Borgata.

    Go Green Phil!

    One thing troubles me (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 04:01:41 PM EST
    As far as our massive sweeping victory.  The cornered rat aspect.

    John Heilemann, who I like a lot in spite of his past relationship with Halperin,  just said something that shoe horns nicely with my fear -

    ".....everything we now see....this investigation is metastasizing.  It's getting bigger.  There are new names coming in all the time. The date windows seem to be getting larger and larger and wider and wider.  With the Paradise Papers we are now looking at a huge corrupt shadow banking system....that the global elite, not just the one percent but the .0001% engage in.....this story is getting bigger, more consequential and more wide ranging every day.  ....it's gets bigger and more serious not just for Trump but the whole complex of Trumps orbit and in fact how we gather intelligence..."

    I completely agree.

    When you mix that in with a clearly mounting wave that will sweep them out of power and many of them down the river,  well,  let's just say I do not expect a cadre of the richest and most powerful people in the world to, shall we say,  go quietly.

    What will they do?  Who knows.  What COULD they do?  Honestly there is almost no limit to what they could do.

    One thing that comes to mind is nuclear war.  That would be a pretty good reason to "delay" the election and refund Mueller.

    If you think that sounds alarmist, well, honestly so do I. But I also think Trump and a bunch of powerful connected billionaires will not go quietly.

    I only hope Mueller understands the size and reach of the hornets nest he is poking.   Part of me thinks he does.  Another part worries.

    Hmmm (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 04:35:48 PM EST
    Looks like someone else is thinking dark thoughts.
    Bob Corker.

    "A number of members both on and off our committee have raised questions about the authorities of the legislative and executive branches with respect to making war, the use of nuclear weapons and conducting foreign policy overall.  This discussion is long overdue and we look forward to examining this critical issue."


    I have kind of (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 09:21:01 PM EST
    wondered about Mercer. The screws are really aimed a  him and he's the type to attempt to take a lot of people down with him. I mean here's a guy that probably had not problem giving Putin data on American voters to win an election. People like that have no compass. Some of them I think will whine like the Mnuchin's wife did about being entitled. And some of them might attempt some sort of coup like they did with FDR. I don't know that they all agree on the same goals.

    The Palm Springs (CA) City Council is now comprised entirely of members of the local LGBTQ community:

    The Desert Sun | November 8, 2017
    An all-LGBT council in Palm Springs takes charge - "For years -- starting with the election of Ron Oden, an openly gay man, in 1995 and then the passage of a domestic partnership ordinance -- LGBT voters and their allies had been making slow but steady progress at Palm Springs City Hall. Then in 2008, after the passage of a statewide initiative to ban same-sex marriage, the community erupted in anger. Hundreds of frustrated residents took to the streets. It was an awakening for many of the area's gays and lesbians that would transform the city's politics. They organized and strategized. Tuesday's blowout victories by Lisa Middleton and Christy Holstege were the peak of that decades-long climb. The council that will be installed in December consists of three gay men, one transgender woman and a millennial woman who identifies as bisexual."

    Hopefully, in ten years' time this sort of news will be treated with a big yawn. Members of the LGBT community care about good and competent governance, same as everybody else, and Tuesday's results bear that out.


    Let me qualify that: (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 09, 2017 at 05:22:26 PM EST
    Donald from Hawaii: "Members of the LGBT community care about good and competent governance, same as everybody else, and Tuesday's results bear that out."

    Make that "same as everyone who isn't a batschitt crazy white wingbat." My bad.