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From Tina Brown's memoir: Donald once poured red wine down the back of a gown worn by Vanity Fair journalist Marie Brenner (and told another journalist he had done the same to Leona Helmsley.)

In news worth reading: An investigation by the BBC uncovers a deal to let ISIS members leave Raqqa as it was falling. The Washington Post reports on Russia using video game images on the topic of the U.S. colluding with ISIS. Bellingcat's report is here.

A new report commissioned by Democrats on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee addresses how much land the U.S. could seize under eminent domain to build Trump's border wall. The Trump Administration has not disclosed what this might cost: [More...]

The Trump Administration can exercise the power of eminent domain to enable the federal government to acquire land necessary to build the border wall. As a sign of the Trump Administration’s intent to exercise eminent domain for construction of a border wall, on July 25, 2017, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) issued a notification that officials from the CBP and the Army Corps of Engineers would immediately begin conducting in-person reviews of property records available at county courthouses for “border wall requirements” in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.

Despite the Administration’s request for an initial down payment of $1.6 billion to pay for 74 miles of wall construction and replacement fencing in Fiscal Year 2018, the Committee was informed that the Administration cannot provide the Committee with any definitive real estate costs or requirements, cannot tell the Committee how many American citizens will have their land seized, and has no timeline for completion and acquisition efforts necessary to build the wall that... Trump has ordered.

...To handle the “initial surge” of condemnation cases, the Administration is seeking nearly $2 million to hire additional land acquisition attorneys within the Department of Justice to secure the “hundreds or thousands of parcels of land” necessary to facilitate border wall construction. The Administration also anticipates that DHS attorneys will provide “significant litigation support in defense of various challenges to the construction of the physical wall as well as in the condemnation of land along the southwest border.”

The full report is here.

Peloton has a new ad for Thanksgiving. I love my Peloton bike, and in fact, am off to ride it right now.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    How was your weekend with Karter? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 08:38:17 PM EST
    Hope the new family is settling in and isn't too wiped out.

    With Thanksgiving next week, I think I'm going to have the two older grandsons (almost-5 and 3) over for a little baking session with Grammy this weekend.  I found a recipe for Snickerdoodle muffins that sound delicious and easy enough for the boys to feel like they made them!  Depending on how things go, we might also make some leaf-shaped shortbread cookies that we can decorate (it's like Play-doh, only actually edible!).

    I predict a lot of flour flying and sugar crunching underfoot, but what the heck: these will be happy memories and the start of some new traditions.

    Gotta get out my Thanksgiving folder and start getting the shopping list and the game plan together; I'm off all next week, so I can pace myself, lol.

    Thanks for asking (5.00 / 10) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 08:56:17 PM EST
    Karter is amazing. She slept in my arms right up against my heart for almost two hours on Sunday. She has beautiful blue eyes (like her mother). She's much smaller and lighter than I expected for 9 pounds. She didn't have any crying spells while I was there, but I'm told she is very loud when she does cry. The two dogs seem very comfortable around her and vice versa. She's just a delight. Of course, she doesn't do anything yet, besides sleep, eat and gaze around -- but that's okay, I 'm just glad she let me hold her for so long.

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    Nothing better than snuggling a new baby. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 09:03:34 PM EST
    Glad you had a good time!  They grow so fast - hard to believe my newest grandbaby is already almost 6 weeks old, smiling and really connecting visually.

    Bet you can hardly wait for Thanksgiving!

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    I missed the announcement (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 07:11:21 AM EST
    Many congratulations to you and the TL kids and grand baby!!!  Sounds wonderfully amazing - you deserve the new shot of love!

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    Congratulations on your beautiful baby (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 10:14:24 PM EST
    granddaughter, Jeralyn.

    I'm glad everyone's doing well. Peace.

    Albuquerque has elected... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 10:49:53 PM EST
    a Democrat as mayor, in a blowout.

    With the final vote totals reported after 9 p.m., Keller secured 62 percent of the vote (60,219) while Lewis has 38 percent (36,594).

    Tim Keller is an up and comer who had been the State Auditor.  He replaces a Republican.

    Well this is really (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by desertswine on Tue Nov 14, 2017 at 11:12:53 PM EST
    a bunch of very tough looking guys.

    Photo authenticated of Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett. The tintype was purchased at a flea market.

    Ironically, at one time during the infamous Lincoln County War, Henry McCarty (aka William Bonney or "Billy the Kid") was ostensibly fighting on the side of the law, while Pat Garrett was on the side of the lawless.

    That their roles would be neatly reversed only a couple years later, when Garrett was appointed Sheriff of Lincoln County by New Mexico Gov. Lew Wallace (who later authored the celebrated novel "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ") and subsequently tracked down and killed Billy, underscore just how fluid and nebulous law and order really was in the American Southwest back in 1880-81.

    And in another bit of irony, Henry McCarty was not a child of the Old West as was commonly thought, but was originally from New York City. He had moved to Santa Fe, NM in 1873 with his mother Catherine and stepfather William Antrim, when he was 13 years old. His mother died one year later of tuberculosis, and his stepfather soon kicked him out of the house, forcing young Henry to have to fend for himself.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

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    So, I'll post this again (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 03:19:10 PM EST
    It would not have been out of ... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:19:39 PM EST
    ... the realm of possibility that your great-grandfather might've crossed paths with Pat Garrett or Henry McCarty at one time or another, or even one of the Earp brothers.

    I love the history of the Old West. The Civil War, foreign immigration, and the westward movement of non-indigenous Americans across the North American continent during the 19th century are the three pillars which ultimately defined the United States as it exists today.

    19th century America was generally not for sissies.

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    The geography works (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:43:23 PM EST
    My Great Grand Dad worked a ranch primarily in Silver City, New Mexico.

    Lincoln County and Mesilla, places where Billy the Kid spent time, are just a bit east of Silver City, and they are near the big city in the area, El Paso....

    El Paso was a frequent destination for my Great Grand Dad.

    And, Sandra Day O'Connor, who grew up on the Arizona side of the border with New Mexico on a ranch, went to high school in El Paso because there weren't many other high schools close by.

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    My grandmother's second husband (none / 0) (#127)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 07:13:57 PM EST
    grew up in Tombstone, where his father served as a judge and the territorial prosecutor.

    Wyatt Earp was not a popular man in Tombstone, where he only spent a year or so.  The Clanton brothers, losers in the famous gunfight, were cowboys who worked at a ranch owned by friends of my ancestors.  It was not any kind of honorable duel, it was an ambush and a murder of men who had surrendered their weapons and were headed back to work after a weekend of partying.

    Wyatt Earp had the good fortune to outlive all his enemies and write his own legend, but the truth is he was a sadistic criminal who got lucky.

    Tangential to that, the familiar strapped down, fast-draw holster seen on Clint Eastwood, Marshall Dillon, the Cartwrights, Lone Ranger, John Wayne et al, did not exist in the 19th Century, because no one need to "draw" quickly.

    That need surfaced for dramatic purposes when the "western movie" was invented in the '20s. It has become accepted as a form of reality through thousands of ritual cinematic "walk and draw" reenactments.  

    The formal street duel ("Draw, podnuh") never existed because in the REAL "old west" you got your weapon out as soon as you saw the guy you needed to kill, and if you could shoot him in the back, so much better.

    The low slung holster is called the Buscadero Rig, and it never existed in the 19th Century.

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    As you said, that was the movies. (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 03:44:40 AM EST
    Gun duels were relatively rare occurrences in the Old West. Those who fashioned themselves as gunslingers were popularized by dime novels, but as you noted, the truth of the matter is that most of them were heartily disliked by townsfolk, who'd run them out first chance they got. A gunslinger was far more likely to be killed by ambush or the end of a noose (with or without the order of a judge), than in a duel.

    As far as movie westerns go, my favorites are:

    • "Once Upon a Time in the West" (Sergio Leone, 1968);
    • "The Wild Bunch" (Sam Peckinpah, 1969);
    • "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid" (Sam Peckinpah, 1971);
    • "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" (Robert Altman, 1971),
    • "Heaven's Gate: The Director's Cut" (Michael Cimino, 1980);
    • "The Outlaw Josey Wales" (Clint Eastwood, 1984);
    • "Dances With Wolves" (Kevin Costner, 1990);
    • "Unforgiven" (Clint Eastwood, 1992);
    • "Lone Star" (John Sayles, 1996);
    • "Open Range" (Kevin Costner, 2003);
    • "3:10 to Yuma" (James Mangold, 2007); and
    • "True Grit" (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2010).

    Aloha.

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    According to (none / 0) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59:24 AM EST
    this the "fast-draw" holster originated in the mid 1800's in the CA gold mining towns and quickly spread from there.

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    So you say (none / 0) (#139)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 12:53:34 PM EST
    I was unable to get the link to work.

    However.

    My research started with trying to find a SINGLE PHOTOGRAPH of a "old west" gunslinger wearing a Buscadero rig.  I coudn't, because it didn't exist.

    Of course there were holsters.  The cavalry carried sidearms in them.  (The purpose of a cavalryman's sidearm was to kill the horse if it was wounded and out of control.)

    Show me a 19th century photo of a Buscadero rig and I will stand corrected.  You will note that in the famous photo of Billy the Kid, his pistol is on the belt that holds his pants up, and is practically in his armpit.  James Butler "Wild Bill" Hickok carried his two Navy pistols pointed backwards and tucked into a sash.

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    Wierd, here's the (none / 0) (#140)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 02:06:32 PM EST
    link.

    It explains that the need for a "quick-draw" holster during the Gold Rush (1850+/-) resulted in the "California Pattern" holster.

    The lawlessness prevalent in the overcrowded mining camps of California's Mother Lode created a need for gunleather that offered quicker access to one's pistol than afforded by the flapped holsters. To prepare against possible trouble, gun toters began folding back these protective flaps--or cutting them off altogether.

    And here's different link about the "Mexican Loop" holster which evolved in the mid 1870's when the cartridge gun became popular:

    the period of the Mexican Loop holster's greatest prominence (1880-1920),
    the Mexican Loop holster--with all of its silver screen flamboyance--was assured a permanent place among the Westerner's classic gear. You'll see this holster on Roy Rogers in films like Don't Fence Me In and Son of Paleface, Gene Autry in Back in the Saddle and Robin Hood of Texas, John Wayne and Joel McCrea in Red River and Colorado Territory respectively, and on just about every other movie cowboy hero.

    It seems the newer "Buscadero rig" that you discuss evolved from the Mexican Loop.


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    The hombre in the tintype... (none / 0) (#145)
    by desertswine on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 10:39:27 PM EST
    brandishing the revolver is Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, a fascinating character, who later joined up with the Clantons and may have participated in the murder of Morgan Earp.

    Dave Rudabaugh was the only outlaw said to have crossed paths with Dave Mather, Bat Masterson, Pat Garrett, Wyatt Earp, Billy The Kid and Doc Holliday. Rudabaugh was 31 years when he was killed.


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    If anyone likes cardgames (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by CST on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 07:51:59 AM EST
    The people of "Cards Against Humanity" have:

    "purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for the wall to get built."

    Link

    This card company is known for their somewhat different marketing - like raising prices on black friday - but this one takes the cake.

    I love them :) (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 08:24:40 AM EST
    We're all confused, what's to lose... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 10:29:27 AM EST
    You can call this all The United States Blues!

    Fresh off the nightcap of the Dead & Co. two night run at MSG...dog tired from the wear and tear, yet spiritually rejuvenated. Specifically asked the Grateful Gods for a Ship of Fools and a St. Stephen and got both, praise be unto them.  Band will be on Colbert tomorrow night if anybody wants a taste, though there is no substitute for going to church my brethren.

    11/12 Set

    Shakedown Street
    Greatest Story Ever Told
    Bertha
    Cassidy
    Beat It On Down the Line
    They Love Each Other
    Cumberland Blues

    China Cat Sunflower
    I Know You Rider
    Ship of Fools
    Terrapin Station
    Drums  
    Space
    Standing on the Moon
    The Other One
    Casey Jones

    Samson and Delilah
    Werewolves of London

    11/14 Set

    Hell in a Bucket
    Cold Rain and Snow
    Me and My Uncle
    Brown-Eyed Women
    Tennessee Jed
    Bird Song
    Man Smart, Woman Smarter

    Help on the Way
    Slipknot!
    Franklin's Tower
    China Doll
    Estimated Prophet
    Drums
    Space
    A Love Supreme
    Stella Blue
    St. Stephen
    Not Fade Away

    U.S. Blues

    Killin it (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 03:34:55 PM EST
    Hell in a Bucket Brother! (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 08:17:03 AM EST
    At least we should enjoy the ride.

    Gonna pull all stops and see if I can swing Hartford...sorry for you there is nothing west of Texas on this run.

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    Federal court in Philly enjoins Sessions' (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 01:49:57 PM EST
    threat to defund the City over its (mild) so-called "Sanctuary City" policy. We like to call it a "Freedom City" or "Fourth Amendment City" policy. Apparently a 128-page opinion.

    A few weeks ago (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CST on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 02:09:17 PM EST
    There was a story here about how a girl in Massachusetts was denied a golf championship because she was a girl - which while true, was somewhat complicated by the fact that the whole thing was due to a rule that allowed boys and girls to participate in team sports that weren't available to their gender, but not in the individual statewide competitions for the wrong gender.

    Here we have a story from Minnesota that is very similar to the court case in Mass that led to the whole golf-tournament thing.  Link.

    "Attorneys for a Wisconsin boy who wants to compete with his high school dance team have filed a federal civil rights complaint after the Minnesota State High School League barred him from a championship competition."

    "The school allows him to dance with the team. The Minnesota league told Johnson in December that he couldn't compete with his team in competitions in Minnesota because that state doesn't allow boys on high school dance teams."

    FWIW, I am of the opinion that the boy should absolutely be allowed on the dance team.  Which is similar to what the MA court found, that if a team sport is not available for boys only, you have to let the boys play with the girls (and vice versa).

    Hopefully the folks in Minnesota will find the same thing, but can also look at the golf tournament situation and come up with a way to work around that possibility.

    this is confusing (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 01:36:32 AM EST
    most certainly he should be allowed to be on the girl's dance team. but i don't know if it's fair to the other teams that he participate in competitions. it just feels unfair. i dunno.

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    UCLA coach suspends the three basketball (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 02:59:57 PM EST
    players who allegedly shoplifted in China.

    UCLA coach Steve Alford says that freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill are indefinitely suspended from the team. "These young men will remain suspended indefinitely from the team." They cannot travel or join them at games. "They will have to earn their way back."

    A couple things here.  Did they ever admit to the crime or has there been sufficient evidence to prove it?  If so, they should be expelled.  If not, let them play.  

    It sure seems like the media has been kinder to these players than it was to Ryan Lochte when he was accused of crimes during the Summer Olympics.

    Lochte (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 03:44:54 PM EST
    Was a celebrity on a world stage, who told a wild
    false story on live TV. These guys are nobodies whose crime would barely raise an eyebrow except for the fact it happened in China. College athletes committing minor crimes is not news.

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    was it a minor crime? (none / 0) (#49)
    by linea on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 12:04:49 AM EST
    College athletes committing minor crimes is not news.

    from my research...
    in california, the demarcation between misdemeanour shoplifting and felony grand theft is 950-usd.

    did they reportedly steal the Louis Vuitton sunglasses Mascott 730-usd or the Attitude Pilate Piiante 1990-usd? reportedly there is videotape.

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    Those players embarrassed UCLA ... (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:25:13 PM EST
    ... on an overseas trip in front of the entire country for all the wrong reasons. They're not entitled to a place on the men's basketball team just because they can dribble and shoot the ball better than most. As Coach Alford said, they'll have to earn their way back. This is an issue of character rather than mere legality, and he made the right call in suspending the three.

    Ryan Lochte has nothing to do with this matter.

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    Not surprising (none / 0) (#23)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 03:46:26 PM EST
    It sure seems like the media has been kinder to these players than it was to Ryan Lochte when he was accused of crimes during the Summer Olympics.

    They're much younger, weren't representing the US like Lochte was, and were charged with shoplifting a pair of sunglasses.

    Or were you alluding to a different reason?

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    Grievance cutteth deep (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 04:47:48 PM EST
    How could they possibly think (none / 0) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 04:33:15 PM EST
    they could get away with it.

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    Elizabeth Smart movie (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 03:15:37 PM EST
    to air soon
    The upcoming film titled "I Am Elizabeth Smart" follows the nine months after Smart, then 14, was kidnapped by Brian Mitchell from her bedroom in her Salt Lake City home in 2002 and was raped daily by her captor, the Deseret News reported .

    Police finally found her in Sandy with the help of two couples who recognized Mitchell from media reports as a suspect in Smart's kidnapping.


    An A&E documentary is already out.  Anyone seen it? Not sure I'm up for a Lifetime movie but I might check out the documentary.

    i love these documentaries! (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 11:50:40 PM EST
    Netflix has an awesome documentary on Natascha Kampusch. she's my favorite.

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    I might check that out (none / 0) (#67)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:19:43 AM EST
    I did watch some of the 48 hours episode about Angelika Graswald.  Looked like another case of "she didn't act right" after someone went missing or was found dead.  We saw that in the Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox trials.  If you don't grieve properly at all times.... look out.   Don't  smile, dance or do cartwheels.

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    How low can we go? (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:53:51 PM EST
    Despicable.. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 09:22:03 PM EST
    Savanna elephant populations declined by 30 percent across 18 countries in Africa from 2007 to 2014, according to the Great Elephant Census published last year.

    I'm afraid that we're nowhere near hitting the bottom yet.

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    OR NOT (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 10:13:15 PM EST
    huh? (none / 0) (#50)
    by linea on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 12:14:21 AM EST
    what possible constituancy is president trump pandering to?
    Ted Nugent?

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    his own family (none / 0) (#58)
    by CST on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:34:15 AM EST
    The only constituency that matters to him.

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    "trophy" wildlife if there is a financial incentive.

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    Lions are going down too.. (none / 0) (#77)
    by desertswine on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 03:44:31 PM EST
    Moore women (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 08:36:07 PM EST
    2 more.  Just now.

    The one where he called (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 08:57:40 PM EST
    the high school, because the girl hadn't given him her number at the mall was especially creepy.

    Along with the reporter stating they hadn't found any evidence that Moore had ever dated anyone his own age.  Even his wife - I think he was 38 and she was 24 when they married - apparently she was a classmate of one of the accusers.

    So weird.

    And I have to wonder at whoever at the school thought it was a good idea to let him talk to her - just another way, I guess, that the "I'm a district attorney" thing opened doors and encouraged trust and obedience.  And fear.

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    he was definitely (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 09:04:19 PM EST
    a pro

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    i liked the response of onw of them (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 09:06:01 PM EST
    as why are you telling this now.

    "i was asked.  if anyone had asked i would have told them.  nobody asked"

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    Ick, Ick, Ick..... (none / 0) (#43)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 09:07:14 PM EST
    Back in the day (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 07:48:05 AM EST
    though they didn't always check who was calling the school like they do now. Some adult male calls asking for someone they probably assumed it was her father and it was important and got her out of class.

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    I cannnot imagine a better (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 09:37:48 PM EST
    poster couple for the French Revolution than Mnuchin and his wife.

    The Republican Cut, Cut, Cut (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 03:49:27 PM EST
    bill passed the House of Representatives, 227/205.  The CBO reported that the bill will trigger automatic annual cuts to Medicare of $25 billion, starting in 2018.

    An absolutely absurd tax bill passed the House; the senate bill is awful, including an attack on the Affordable Care Act, the manages to throw millions off health insurance and increase premiums for those who remain.  

    While there is everything to dissect in this bill, the largest question is why are we even talking about a tax cut bill?  We have deficits, not surpluses; an increasing debt to service; vast unmet domestic needs, infrastructure, affordable health care, job re-/training, CHIP renewal; expanding military expenditures, and a useless, but incredibly expensive beautiful wall to build.

    And why? to stimulate the economy?  The economy is humming along, with low unemployment and high stock prices.  What is missing, of course, is wage increases and stagnation; economic equity.  If the argument is to generate growth so that its benefits will trickle down, where is the historic or predictive evidence, especially in the present global circumstances?  When the Secretary of Treasury asked how many CEO's plan to invest and to help workers if the cut, cut plan was enacted, the roomful conjured up a couple of hands of agreement.  

    The aerial view is a cut of $1.5 trillion over ten years, with $1 trillion for corporate interests (a permanent cut), $200 billion to eliminate the inheritance tax, and $300 billion for the rest, or about $100 dollars on average per person.

     The pay for's come out of middle class hides, from big ticket items (elimination of state/local taxes, property taxes, mortgage interest) to the petty (elimination of the $250 maximum deduction for teacher's out-of-pocket expenses for school supplies.

     Social Security, Medicare are sure targets; and, the money from repeal of a critical part of the Affordable Care Act, fund the tax bonanza for corporations and the very rich. And, a special kind of rich...those who do not work for their money, the kind of money that works for them.

    The Republicans no doubt expect quibbling around the edges of their proposal.  But, the idea and reasons for a tax cut plan like this is where discussion should start.  And end.

    A Sensible US Foreign Policy (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 10:14:19 AM EST
    Every time I bring up Patrick J Buchanan's views, a large TL segment goes apoplectic without even considering what he is saying.  Here, he spells out how we should face the rise of China.  In recent columns, Buchanan has not held back his disappointment with Trump, even though he supported his presidential bid.  I find Buchanan a refreshing antidote to the McCain/Graham/neocon war mongers.

    i have read him before (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by linea on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 01:42:17 AM EST
    in my opinion, the `populism' that the political consultants gave to donald trump to run on (sucsessfully) is little more than a moderized Buchanan style paleo-conservatism. the problem is that president trump isn't actually a populist or a paleo-conservative. he's a grossly incompetant baffoon and pervy creep. maybe Buchanan should have run against hillary. at least Congress wouldn't be panicking and having hearings over who has nuclear-launch authority.

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    Could be because Buchanan ... (5.00 / 6) (#113)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 08:55:10 AM EST
    ... has expressed his xenophobic, homophobic, $exist, r@cist, bigoted, anti-science, theocratic opinions so often that people on TL know better?  

    Just a wild guess.

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    you are on a roll (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 09:30:19 AM EST
    i must admit i often found your jousting with ppj tiresome.

    not so with the new one.

    DO IT!!!!!!

    i simply have neither the patients or the will.
    but it needs to be done.

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    Interesting article... (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 11:00:01 AM EST
    on the war on teachers in Scott Walker's Wisconsin.

    Pay/benefits have declined and retention has suffered, especially in rural areas - hitting those who, one suspects, helped put the creepy Walker into office in the first place.

    In Iowa, the educational system which was once a source of great pride, has suffered a similar decline under decades of GOP rule. Truly sad.

    RIP, Malcolm Young (1953-2017). (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 02:18:30 PM EST
    The co-founder, lead guitarist and songwriter for the legendary hard rock band AC/DC died this morning at age 64 with his family by his side after a three-year battle with early-onset dementia.

    Co-writer with brother Angus of every one of the group's records between 1975 and 2014, Malcolm Young had retired from AC/DC three years ago following his dementia diagnosis. Unlike so many of his more flamboyant brethren in the hard rock / heavy metal genre, he basically eschewed the limelight once he was offstage and preferred to fly under the radar, humbly describing his musical career as "a nine-to-five sort of gig."

    Nevertheless, the accolades pouring in today from across the music world underscore the Young brothers' formidable reputation as two of the most prolific and creative guys in the business, whose overall body of work speaks for itself, and Malcolm will be dearly missed. And suddenly and once again, our generation feels a little bit older.

    Aloha. Malcolm.

    Malcolm Young. (none / 0) (#109)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 02:30:26 PM EST
    We salute you.

    Best song ever written for air guitar: "Whole Lotta Rosie".

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    From (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by FlJoe on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 10:56:31 AM EST
    the you better get your money up front files
    U.S. President Donald Trump has begun paying his own legal bills related to the Russia investigation and will no longer cover the costs using political donations to his re-election campaign or the Republican Party, his attorneys confirmed on Friday.
    and with this burn rate
    In August, Reuters first reported that the RNC was paying Trump's legal bills, which amounted to more than $230,000 that month
    You must be willing to accept payment in Rubles.

    Trump to repeal NET NEUTRALITY (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 08:29:00 PM EST
    Military.com just put (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 11:14:29 AM EST
    This Up

    Cuz?

    We're bored so poke Trump like he does us?

    No fair that Colbert and the rest of late night comedy and Comedy Central don't get to get all the fun and attention?

    Oops...scratch the don't (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 11:15:30 AM EST
    you know... (none / 0) (#47)
    by linea on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 11:46:27 PM EST
    from the linked article:
    Bruce Blair, a former nuclear missile launch officer and a co-founder of Global Zero, an international movement for the elimination of nuclear weapons.

    i struggle with my essential pasifist and anti-nuclear nature against the reality that aggressive and totalitarian regimes want to dominate peoples. at this point, i'm more inclined to support democratic nations (particularly those countries formerly occupied) developing a nuclear deterrent against russian aggression.

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    I think fewer nukes, the fewest possible (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 06:58:40 AM EST
    Because if one is launched say out of Pakistan because the Taliban gets a hold of one and then India launches in retaliation it's over the rest of the linea.

    Look what happened to Russia when they fell, we had nukes on the loose and had to secure them as best we could. Regimes come and go, people seek freedom over oppression, but a nuclear war destroys the planet. It's insanity. We can take on Russia and North Korea in other ways. Seriously! Obama did it.

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    Irony (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 12:02:59 PM EST
    Is fu@king deader that Elvis.

    Yay!
    The majority leader (et al) are taking the high road in sexual assault!
    Wow, so cool.
    That's the same "others" who roll over and present their soft parts to Donald J. Trump.  He of 17 on the record accusers of sexual assault!!

    Irony is dead.  We will not see her like again.

    That said, there is no more deserving of random brutal Karmic justice than Roy Moore.

    Let it wash over ya

    Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe, ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 01:05:29 PM EST
    ... who's held power in that country since the white-minority Rhodesian regime was removed with British help in 1980, has apparently been overthrown by his country's military in a coup d'état.

    Former Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa, who had been sacked last week by Mugabe in favor of his own wife Grace, has now returned to Harare from South Africa, where he had fled last week. Mugabe himself is presently under house arrest, while wife Grace remains in Namibia, where she had gone on a state visit.

    The coup apparently enjoys the support of Zimbabwe's powerful neighbor South Africa, which has long complained about the massive influx of refugees from that country as its economy collapsed in 2010.

    We were in Zimbabwe in Nov. 2010 when the country's currency underwent a massive devaluation, to the point where the government was printing $5-$10 million notes and merchants would only accept South African rand or U.S. dollars. The people's desperation was readily in view, and it was sad to see and not be able to do anything to help.

    For all his heroics in the struggle against white-minority rule, Mugabe has long since worn out his popularity amongst Zimbabweans, black and white alike, and enjoyed a dubious reputation as arguably Africa's most corrupt ruler. Hopefully, the new regime can do something to alleviate the country's plight.

    Aloha.

    This feels a bit like (none / 0) (#17)
    by CST on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 02:11:01 PM EST
    Arab spring - with the added fun of a military coup.

    Mugabe is a nightmare.  I'm not sure a military coup will be much better, but I'm sure hoping for their sake it is.

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    I hope so, too. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:46:44 PM EST
    I really enjoyed Zimbabwe when we were there. The people there were very friendly, and the country is really beautiful. And Victoria Falls should be on everybody's bucket list.

    Mugabe is a prime example of the old adage that the person who secures his country's freedom isn't necessarily the best person to govern once independence is achieved. The day we left Victoria Falls to return to Johannesburg, we awoke that morning to a town full of troops. We thought that a coup had occurred then! Turns out Mugabe was in town, and these troops were his personal guard. Never saw him, but his presence was certainly felt!

    When we were at the airport awaiting our flight, we saw Mugabe's plane on the tarmac being guarded by even more troops, with a couple of guys in general's brocades and attire standing nearby. I was going to take a photo, but was warned by a friendly airport security person that it would be a good way to get my camera confiscated by the soldiers. So I waited until we had boarded our British Airways B737 aircraft, and then took a photo through the plane's window, and another as we took off and flew over the terminal.

    Aloha.

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    According to reports on SABC, ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:59:13 PM EST
    ... the South Africa Broadcasting Corporation, the Zimbabwe military acted to prevent the 93-year-old Mugabe from firing the duly elected vice president to clear the way for his wife Grace -- who's 41 years his junior -- to succeed him as president. According to these same sources, Grace is not at all liked.

    It's been a sad path for a once-promising country.

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    Roy Moore's rebuttal (none / 0) (#24)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 04:13:40 PM EST
    to Beverly Young Nelson includes the assertion that her statement that she never interacted with Moore after the alleged incident was false.  Moore's supporters says that Moore signed her divorce judgment as a Judge.

    What nonsense.  How often do Judges interact with parties before the Court prior to trial?  Not very often.....

    Stupid point.

    Agreed. I cannot recall the name (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 06:47:19 PM EST
    of the judge at my divorce trial.  First and last time I saw a judge, and for only a few minutes.

    But I never will forget the court commissioner with whom I had to deal in hearings for a year and a half before that.  A total idiot who created havoc in the lives of my children and myself for years.

    As my lawyer said, in some sort of apology for the court commissioner, "it's a lousy job, and the law school grads who take that job graduated in the bottom ten percent of their class."

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    I thought that whole press thing was (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 07:29:00 PM EST
    just terrible.  

    A testimonial from a male attorney assuring us he never saw Moore behave inappropriately with any woman when Moore was in his company.  The magic phrase being "in his company," as in "when there were witnesses present," is proof of Moore's upstanding character.

    Roy Moore was the presiding judge at her divorce hearing?  That's interaction?  Please.

    And the whole thing with the yearbook?  I guess they're hoping against hope Ms. Nelson will withdraw her claim, but it all just seemed so small and mean and desperate.

    I guess the lawyer didn't want to talk about some of Moore's judicial rulings; I think the one that screams "perverted creep" is the one where he wrote that the man convicted of raping a 12 yr old should have been allowed to present evidence in his defense that the girl was sexually active and had an STD.  Because...it's okay to have sex with a 12 yr old as long as she's already had sex with someone else?  Who just thinks/believes that?

    And Trump...he's not going to say anything.  He's got almost 20 accusations hanging out there himself.  Pot, meet kettle?

    I hope the internal polling is right, and Moore's numbers really are tanking.  The best thing to happen would be for Moore to out-and-out lose the election.

    And then for us never to have to see or hear from him again.

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    The folksy smiles (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 08:25:22 PM EST
    Made me wanna puke.

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    It's a pickle (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 08:38:05 PM EST
    For Cheeto.  

    "I believe the women"

    Would that be the ones accusing him or the ones accusing you?

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    And now we know that was a lie (none / 0) (#59)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:36:56 AM EST
    as the hearing that was to be before Moore never was held.

    All it took to check that was a simple act of journalism, and an understanding of court procedures (the woman made a motion to dismiss, stating that she and her spouse were in counseling to reconcile, so the dismissal papers were sent by her lawyer and stamped by Moore's office, but not signed by him -- and again, no hearing was held). But understanding of court procedjures may be beyond Moore's lawyer, who was disbarred at least once -- and went to an unaccredited law school.

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    Rose McGowan arrested for concain possession (none / 0) (#27)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 04:50:43 PM EST
    She plans to plead not guilty

    The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority obtained the warrant on February 1, 2017 after authorities allegedly found traces of narcotics in her personal belongings that were left behind on a United flight in January to Washington D.C....

    A source who worked at the Weinstein Company told Farrow that Weinstein in September enlisted the help of private investigators to get McGowan arrested before the existence of the warrant was made public. On October 30, McGowan first publicly responded to the existence of the warrant on Twitter.



    not guilty! good! (none / 0) (#51)
    by linea on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 12:39:25 AM EST
    those items were out of her posession.
    put me on that jury!

    the drug laws are like a witch hunt! and it's not just the u.s., even those countries with `decriminalized' statutes still record non-criminal minor possession amd court-ordered drug rehabilitation on your justice record. this allows some employers to discriminate and it also bars you from admittance to certain countries where you might have family members or to travel and join the one you love even if you are a fiancée.

    this war-on-drugs has been a nightmare for generations. it's time to stop!

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    And a nominee (none / 0) (#28)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 05:13:43 PM EST
    to the District Court who has never tried a case???

    That is what a District Court does--preside over trials.....

       

    But he was an investigator of the paranormal (none / 0) (#46)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 15, 2017 at 10:37:37 PM EST
    for a year. That has to be useful in some court cases.

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    And now AL Franken...sigh (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 09:42:52 AM EST
    Jesus you guys

    How soon before the conclusion is (none / 0) (#57)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:31:44 AM EST
    "they all do it?" And therefore, the hysteria needs to stop because if every man who'd ever acted inappropriately was deemed unfit for public - or any other - office, and had to resign his job, the unemployment rate would go up to 57%, and therefore, we must keep these men in their jobs, because, it's the economy. Stupid.

    Is the GOP already screaming that Franken has to resign?  Because you know they aren't going to let Dems get away with the "if he did it" calculation.

    Both sides...the great equalizer.

    I wonder, though, if the fine hand of "Bernie Bernstein" might be involved...

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:40:24 AM EST
    The 30,000 ft view, as an observer - at least in the hetero area, it just shows you this problem of powerful men being very naughty and pushy does not know a party, race or class.  It's a chromosome thing.

    Apparently

    I hate hearing about Al.  He won't be the last pedestal toppled

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    Do we know if (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:52:56 AM EST
    Al is the "democrat" that Rep Whatshername (no disrespect I just don't remember) was talking about yesterday when she said there was one democrat and one republican?  

    To busy/lazy to look

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    I don't know (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:10:15 AM EST
    But uhhh, Al seems a little practiced at this blurring of boundaries. Start with the kiss, end with the photo, uhhhh...I'm not sure this is going to be Franken's only victim.

    Parent
    I thought (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CST on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:32:59 AM EST
    she was talking about house reps but I could be wrong.

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    Nope, far from the last pedestal (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:07:45 AM EST
    So strap in everyone

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    Armando declares this the time (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:06:13 AM EST
    To elect a woman president. I agree

    Just keep taking the pervs down. All held to the same standard.

    Parent

    Progress (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:22:46 AM EST
    Can be a painful thing.

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    Admittedly stated (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:24:30 AM EST
    From a lifelong fear and loathing of straight men.

    No offense

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    This is going to really hurt (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:23:47 AM EST
    Not all do it, but (none / 0) (#73)
    by ragebot on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 12:47:43 PM EST
    a lot do.  There is a common misconception that most unplanned/unwanted teen pregnancies happen when teens are simply careless the truth of the matter is males over 30 are responsible for impregnating teen girls, not irresponsible teen boys.

    Not trying to excuse this, but the sad fact is that a lot of 30+ males target teen girls.  To make matters worse while it is bad in the US in a lot of other countries, especially third world, it is a lot worse.

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    A lot of 30+ (none / 0) (#74)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 01:51:43 PM EST
    target teen girls.   I am not so sure about "a lot."

    Where do you get that?

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    Ya. I was going to respond: (none / 0) (#75)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 01:58:45 PM EST
    the truth of the matter is males over 30 are responsible for impregnating teen girls, not irresponsible teen boys.

    Gotta link for that?

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    If he runs (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 05:46:27 PM EST
    in the evangelical world it is pretty normal. We went to an evangelical church at one point in time and come to find out later he married someone 27 years younger than he was after he divorced his wife. I think the wife and kids may have disowned him. Not sure since I have lost touch with him.

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    The South is taking (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 08:41:29 PM EST
     a beating here.

    But I come from the South.  Our tradition, however, was Ralph Yarborough, not George Wallace.

    One thing taught by my family was Southern manners.  Some of it was a bit two-faced: You can lie, cheat and steal, but just do it nicely, is how it can be twisted.  

    Yet, it seems to me this whole mess can be avoided by just treating everyone else with respect and courtesy.

    Parent

    Yes, we are (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 11:54:06 PM EST
    BUT it probably is a good thing because we can't play a pretend game anymore. I never played that game but plenty did. Evangelicals are taking a big time beating too. Some of them are not even calling themselves evangelicals anymore because of the association of both Trump and Moore.

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    I also recently read that (none / 0) (#81)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 08:17:33 PM EST
    males over 30 are the majority of men who impregnate teenaged girls.  I wish that I could recall the source, but it was reliable.

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    Oy (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 08:35:20 PM EST
    Now that's an understatement. (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 09:31:01 PM EST
    I respect your restraint.

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    Gloria being Gloria (none / 0) (#61)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:45:22 AM EST
    In this CNN interview Gloria Allred refuses to answer if the Roy Moore yearbook signature is authentic. At the 6:45 mark Wolf Blitzer asks if it's a forgery...

    Allred responds.... "we're not denying, we're not admitting, we're not addressing, we will not be distracted..."

    She goes on and on about getting Moore to testify under oath but doesn't seem to want the yearbook to be examined by experts...at least not until there's some kind of hearing.

    Lots of people have already made up their minds about the signature but here's an article explaining why examination via the internet isn't good enough...
    The author basically says no one can tell just looking at it and the claims made my Moore's attorney are not backed up by forensic evidence.

    Ever heard of a hush puppy? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 07:44:08 PM EST
    That's what this is.

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    Since we know it isn't forged (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 07:39:13 PM EST
    ...  Is there any reason to "examine" it?  

    This is not a criminal trial, this is AN ELECTION.  The standard of proof necessary to lock this guy up for the rest of his life is not the same as the minimum threshold necessary to deny him the opportunity of living on taxpayers' money and hurting many more people.

    I'm not sure you understand the difference.

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    Do you have link? (none / 0) (#130)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 09:36:02 PM EST
    proving it's authentic?  I'm not sure that will even be possible. Handwriting analysis is controversial.
    "There are few, if any, well-designed studies that show how well handwriting analysts can identify a forgery under conditions that mimic those that might exist in legal cases," said Jonathan Koehler, a law professor and forensic science expert at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law. "Even major treatises on handwriting analysis concede that it is extremely difficult for anyone to be able to figure out if a signature or other very limited writing sample has been forged."

    Here's another hilarous clip of Allred
    talking about the signature...

    "Let him prove that it's not (authentic)"

    She doesn't even seem to know if her client saw Moore sign her yearbook.

    If I wanted a quick buck and didn't care about my reputation, I might hire Allred.  If I wanted to be taken seriously, I'd stay far away.

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    Don't need a link ... (none / 0) (#131)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 10:25:10 PM EST
    ... "proving" a thing.  She has the yearbook and her client's testimony - not to mention Moore's very telling non-denials.

    If I wanted a quick buck and didn't care about my reputation, I might hire Allred.  If I wanted to be taken seriously, I'd stay far away.

    Uhhmmm .... if Alred was as ineffective as you seem to believe, her clients wouldn't be receiving any money, let alone a "quick buck".  What makes you think she's even take you as a client?

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    If I'm reading the reports correctly (none / 0) (#141)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 02:39:08 PM EST
    some are claiming the signature on Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelsen's yearbook was forged by someone.

    The yearbook was signed "Roy Moore D.A."

    But now the claim is that, at the time of the alleged yearbook signing, Roy Moore was not a DA, rather he was an ADA (Assistant DA).

    Also, the claims are, at the time of the alleged yearbook signing, Moore's assistant's initials were "D.A." and the assistant often added his initials after Moore's signature on official documents.

    Official documents - like Beverly Young Nelsen's divorce papers which Moore presided over years after Beverly Young Nelsen's alleged yearbook signing - bear the assistant's initials "D.A." after Moore's signature.

    Obviously, the yearbook was not an official document.

    ftr, I think Moore is a creep. But this particular yearbook claim is questionable at this point.

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    The only thing that's "questionable" (none / 0) (#144)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 10:15:19 PM EST
    ... are the wingers silly attempts at coming up with bizarre theories to try to rationalize Moore's signature on her yearbook and his non-denial if it.

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    Keep pounding the table. (none / 0) (#146)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 10:53:05 PM EST
    Keep defending ... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 08:57:57 AM EST
    ... a pedophile.

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    Well, I try to defend the truth, (none / 0) (#151)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 12:35:26 PM EST
    though after reading a lot of your comments you clearly have no use for it.

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    Is that what you call it? (none / 0) (#156)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 06:15:14 PM EST
    Suggesting Moore's accuser is lying about the yearbook by saying her claim is "questionable" with no evidence but Moore's talking points?

    Heh.

    Your confusion about my comments appears to be caused by your complete unfamiliarity with the concept of truth.

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    well (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 06:23:26 PM EST
    i do not question the womans claim.  that said ive never understood why they do no let the signature be examimed.

    if it was just a screw up and Gloria never made sure the sig was real its just stupid.
    if it actually fake or forged its REALLY stupid and undermines everything else being said about Moore.

    i want Moore to god down as much as you do but the whole signature thing is weird.  it it not, i think, insignificant that is the one thing they publicly challenged.

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    Because you can hire an expert ... (none / 0) (#158)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 06:57:22 PM EST
    ... to question anything, particularly something that requires interpretation.   All Moore has to do is buy time and muddy the waters until the election, which is what he's doing.  He hasn't even denied he signed the yearbook.

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    They can date (none / 0) (#163)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 22, 2017 at 05:46:59 PM EST
    the ink.

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    This is why Allred is the wrong person (none / 0) (#165)
    by McBain on Thu Nov 23, 2017 at 11:18:45 AM EST
    to represent an accuser in a case like this.  Too  much drama... too much Gloria.  I'd love to hear Jeralyn's opinion on this topic.  She's both praised and criticized Allred over the years.  

    Parent
    at the time of the alleged signing. Finally you are pounding the facts, good move.

    So, how do we know - for sure - what Moore's position was at the time of the alleged signing?

    Actual question. I haven't been able to find any conclusive info online.

    I did find that he ran for DA in 1986 and lost, however no info on him running for DA in the mid/late 70's.

    And, interestingly, he was a Dem up to 1992. So, yeah...

    (fwiw, I googled "deputy district attorney signature" and "district attorney signature" and looked at 100's of images of DDAs and DAs sigs. None of them were appended with "D.D.A." or "DDA" or "D.A." or "DA." Obviously this is not conclusive in any way, however it is interesting to me.)

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    No - I don't "claim" ... (none / 0) (#162)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 22, 2017 at 05:37:10 PM EST
    ... whatever it is you're trying to say I'm claiming.  Try reading slower.

    Also, ... am I supposed to care about whatever irrelevant tangents you try to distract with because you think they're "interesting"?  Because I couldn't care less ...

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    I don't happen to think that how he (none / 0) (#164)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 22, 2017 at 05:49:06 PM EST
    signed the yearbook has to be consistent with how he signed within the context of his job - I think it bears considering that he signed the yearbook that way to both impress to get something he wanted, and inspire fear to make sure no one ever found out about it.

    Maybe it's just as simple as Moore appending "DA" to his signature for the same reason he is alleged to have reminded Nelson why no one would believe her if she told anyone about what he did: that he held a position of authority, and she was just a child.

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    That is reasonable. (none / 0) (#166)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 10:33:49 AM EST
    "Being Gloria" - heh (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 09:18:16 PM EST
    You mean being smart?

    If Moore's attorney wants to imply the yearbook is forged, offer them the chance to have an independent expert examine the yearbook.  Just do it in public and with Moore testifying under oath, while being questioned by someone other than a sycophantic Faux News host.  She called Moore's bluff.  Guess she's a helluva lot smarter than her critics.

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    Menendez Mistrial (none / 0) (#72)
    by ragebot on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 12:43:27 PM EST
    from WaPo

    I hope the feds don't retry the case (none / 0) (#85)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 09:59:28 PM EST
    but I'm not optimistic.

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    Today's news reports say (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 09:03:00 AM EST
    that the jury was split 10-2 for acquittal. That will be a weighty factor against retrial, I would have to think.

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    RIP LA's 100.3 FM The Sound (none / 0) (#76)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 02:59:20 PM EST
    You will be missed.

    Angela Merkel (none / 0) (#86)
    by linea on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 10:39:07 PM EST
    Germany faces SNAP ELECTION because of disagreements over capping migration
    Merkel is under pressure from her own conservative bloc, in particular her Bavarian allies, the Christian Social Union (CSU), not to compromise too much to secure a coalition deal - in particular on immigration.

    At stake is a conservative plan to cap the number of people Germany will accept per year on humanitarian grounds at 200,000 - a limit the environmentalist Greens reject.

    german needs to take in more refugees not less. they also need to change their employment laws and allow refugees to work immediately on receiving their documents. spain issues a red-card immediately and germany should too. and now germany is trying to shift the burden to other counties by re-writing the EU asylum and refugee laws.

    Jeralyn this story is for you (none / 0) (#88)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 06:48:55 AM EST
    Narco A Lago About Trump's hotel in Panama being used as a money laundry for the drug trade.

    Getting very anxious to see what seedy activities finally bring him down.

    I only saw the Moore "press conference" (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 11:39:56 AM EST
    Today.
    Holy hell.
    I have no words. It's was one of the most awful things I have ever seen. I actually felt sick to my stomach watching it

    I am not religious.  This is known.  A couple of things about that, I was dragged to enough Sunday school to know THOSE people are not Christians.  I don't know what they are but they are not fu@king Christians.
    Also, I never believed in the Sunday school heaven and hell.  All I can say is they better hope I'm right and they are wrong.  Be cause if they are right, they are fu@ked.  They got some big surprises in their future.

    'S all I'm say in.

    Was that the one with Moore's wife? (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by desertswine on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 01:14:46 PM EST
    Because when she said that he had a "godly" character, I had to turn on Ancient Aliens instead.  It is Friday, after all.

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    excuse me (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 06:26:03 PM EST
    if i already told you this.  thats beginning to happen,
    but i have a good friend who has appeared on Ancient Aliens.

    he is what you might call a mover and shaker in my former industry.  like directors often do he would get a job supervising something and hire a bunch of his friends.  i was among them several times.
    anyway
    is you scroll all the way down
    to the "self" listing there it is.

    btw
    another story about Tman.  he developed the digital process for bringing South Park to the small screen.  the original video was done with actual paper cutouts which obviously would not work for a weekly tv show.  "Terrence" of Terrence and Phillip was named in his honor.

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    For those (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 06:44:53 PM EST
    Who have never seen the original which was done as a Christmas card

    you really should

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    With (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 04:11:36 PM EST
    Dangley cross ear rings.

    Then there is the governor of AL who says she believes the women and plans to vote for Moore anyway.

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    Abduction Day! (none / 0) (#96)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 04:32:19 PM EST
    Sleeper alien human hybrids, implantations - oh my!

    I didn't realize that those with green eyes and
    are Rh negative are more likely to be abducted.

    I want to see Georgio camp out at Chaco for a weekend.

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    Some believe (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 04:38:08 PM EST
    Roy Moore and his supporters are Reptilians

    Reptilians are probably offended.

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    Reptilians are smarter. (none / 0) (#98)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 04:42:18 PM EST
    I'm sure (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 06:27:45 PM EST
    that they aren't like the ones you went to Sunday school with back in the day but unfortunately these creepy people who used to be on the fringe of Christianity have become the loudest people in the room.

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    this is fun (none / 0) (#103)
    by linea on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 11:47:35 PM EST
    WOMEN.COM
    QUIZ: WE CAN GUESS YOUR LEVEL OF EDUCATION BASED ON 16 GRAMMAR QUESTIONS

    You Have A Masters Degree!
    CONGRATULATIONS!! You ACED this quiz! WOAH!! Did you know that only 3% of Americans can get a perfect score on this grammar test? You must have a masters degree from an Ivy League. No grammar question that can fool you... Have you considered becoming an editor? Well done on your score!!


    CONGRATULATIONS!You ACED this quiz (none / 0) (#167)
    by Madistte on Tue Dec 12, 2017 at 08:51:56 AM EST
    "CONGRATULATIONS!! You ACED this quiz! WOAH!! Did you know that only 3% of Americans can get a perfect score on this grammar test? You must have a masters degree from an Ivy League. No grammar question that can fool you... Have you considered becoming an editor? Well done on your score!!"
    I can't believe it, I wasn't expecting this result, hehe. but if you're not sure you have such good results and you need to write a perfect essay or other paper, you can always use this website to make your life easier!

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    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 12, 2017 at 08:55:35 AM EST
    Undemocratic EU Muscle (none / 0) (#104)
    by linea on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 01:23:22 AM EST
    several countries are being FORCED to pass criminal laws to meet the European Union's new directive on combating terrorism.

    this is just one minor example of why undemocratic EU ersatz-federalism is bad.

    RIGA - In order to comply with the European Union's (EU) requirements, the Justice Ministry earlier this year drew up amendments to the Criminal Law that would criminalize glorification of terrorism and travel to foreign countries with the aim to engage in terrorist activities

    At present the Criminal Law does not criminalize:

    • glorification of terrorism
    • receiving terrorist training
    • travel to foreign countries with the aim to engage in terrorist activities
    • financing, organizing and aiding such travel

    Under the proposed amendments:

    • travel to foreign countries with the aim to engage in terrorist activities would carry a jail term of up to eight years
    • receiving terrorist training would carry a jail term of up to seven years
    • criminal liability for glorification of terrorism would carry a jail term of up to five years


    As if (none / 0) (#106)
    by FlJoe on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 07:09:55 AM EST
    these people were capable of irony
    Kayla Moore also said, apparently ironically, that she believes President Donald Trump owes her and her husband a thank you for diverting public attention from the federal investigation into Russia's alleged interference in the 2016 presidential campaign and possible collusion with Trump associates.
    her actual words seemed pretty straight forward  
    "So the liberal press, Washington Post, who endorsed Hillary Clinton, who also endorsed our opponent gets involved in this race, along with the Human Rights Campaign, the DNC and the Washington establishment, all of the very same people who were attacking President Trump are also attacking us," Kayla Moore said, "I personally think he owes us a thank you. Have you noticed you're not hearing too much about Russia?"              
     Sorry Kayla, too bad your fifteen minutes of fame is being used up defending your perv(IMO) of a husband and tRump is probably more resentful of your recent headline grabbing than thankful for  the very temporary diversion.                                                    

    Kayla Moore's statements attest to ... (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 02:40:02 PM EST
    ... the likelihood that despite their often vociferous insistence otherwise, many in the GOP right realize Robert Mueller's investigation of the Trump administration is in fact a very big deal, and the existence of the Trump campaign's links to Russia is both well-established and conclusive even in their own twisted minds. What remains to be learned is the actual extent of the Russian penetration into our body politic.

    Hopefully after December 12, Roy Moore will be remembered as no more than a malignant footnote in our country's political history, whose noxious presence on the GOP's stage soon outlasted his initial welcome.

    Aloha.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#111)
    by FlJoe on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 03:11:59 PM EST
    it's Kushner's turn in the barrel today.

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    Charlie Manson (none / 0) (#107)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 12:52:01 PM EST
    Dead at 83. Amazing he made that far.

    Oops. (none / 0) (#112)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 05:56:33 PM EST
    I guess he's not dead. Yet. Seems his demise was mis-reported. Or just plain ol fake news.

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    F@ck him (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 10:19:30 AM EST
    good riddance

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    Not dead yet. But not (none / 0) (#118)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 01:36:11 PM EST
    "fake news." Seriously ill and hospitalized at age 83 for the second time this year, according to the LAT.

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    BREAKING NEWS (none / 0) (#132)
    by linea on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 12:30:27 AM EST
    CHARLES MANSON DEAD

    Carles Manson -- the man who masterminded one of the most heinous murder sprees in American history -- is dead... this according to the sister of his famous victim.

    Debra Tate tells TMZ she received a call from the prison telling her Manson died 8:13 PM Sunday.

    We're told the prison is contacting all of the victims' families.
    Manson was recently wheeled into Bakersfield hospital and escorted by 5 uniformed cops. Our sources had said at the time, "It's just a matter of time." He was covered in blankets and looked ashen in the gurney.



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    "You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good. Joan Crawford is dead. Good!"
    - Bette Davis, when asked to comment on the death of Hollywood rival Joan Crawford (1977)

    Speaking for myself only, it's hard to think of anything worthwhile to say about a man with no obvious redeeming qualities, except that I hope his passing finally offers a sense of closure, albeit belated, to the families and friends of his victims.

    Aloha.

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    Paul Krassner (none / 0) (#152)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 01:08:40 PM EST
    was friends with investigators in the Malibu Sheriff's Department, who told him that the Tate Labianca murders could have been prevented, but the cops were convinced that the Manson Family was going to attack the Black Panthers, so they did nothing even though they knew Manson to be a weapons-hoarding parole violater who was living with underage girls.

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    Cult leaders (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 01:22:01 PM EST
    and underage girls. Seems like there is a pattern there.

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    I'd still rather share a cell (none / 0) (#155)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 01:27:20 PM EST
    or a desert island with Manson over Roger Stone.

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    JUSTICE LEAGUE (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 09:10:24 AM EST
    saw this yesterday.

    its good, really good.

    but then i am a card carring Zack Snyder fan boy.

    the reason the MARVEL movies have been so much better is simple.  the characters were better from the start.  they were never black/white/good/evil characters.  they had weaknesses and failings and demons.

    Snyder does as job a job as could be done giving these corny one demisional characters personality.

    horrible movie (none / 0) (#119)
    by linea on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 03:33:09 PM EST
    the movie was disjointed and lacked coherent structure.

    half of the movie was wasted explained the silly back-story of people who were irrelevant to what little storyline there was - the cyborg-man with the power of mint and berries from a magic box of breakfast cereal and underwater-man who gets irritated when Butt Man asks him if he can talk to fish so he keeps asking that. and there is a running gag about people on the autism-spectrum having brunch.

    worse was the CGI villan (the evil embodiement of a Canadian rock band from the 1960s). did i mention the villian was animated? the cartoon villian has a back-story too so we had to listen to that tedious back-story as well.

    the actual storyline? superman is dead so we need to use a magic box from the long-long-ago the before-time to re-animate superman so he can fight the cartoon villian. everything else is filler and the pointless introduction of unneed characters.

    i highly recommend seeing LADY BIRD instead.


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    Do you need (4.00 / 2) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 03:51:15 PM EST
    Another reason to see it?

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    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln,... (none / 0) (#133)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 12:44:33 AM EST
    And (2.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 03:54:19 PM EST
    Thank you for contributing to the box office

    Pffffft


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    don't thank me (none / 0) (#123)
    by linea on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 05:02:55 PM EST
    i only went to the movie to be cordial and i didn't buy the tickets.

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    Some one did (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 05:09:03 PM EST
    Thank him for me.

    (Here comes the 3)

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    We saw "The Square" tonight. (none / 0) (#136)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 05:54:10 AM EST
    Director Ruben Östlund's film was this year's winner of the prestigious Palm D'Or award at the Cannes Film Festival. It's received mostly rave reviews, and amounted to two hours and 25 minutes of my life which I'll never, ever recoup. I thought we'd never get out of the theatre. (I won't even try to describe it, but this particular scene went on for what seemed like forever.) That was perhaps the most ostentatiously tedious, cravenly pretentious and ultimately pointless movie I've seen in at least a decade, if not ever. Simply awful. Couldn't be any worse. Don't waste either your money or your time.

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    Today I'm seeing (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 06:51:18 AM EST
    THREE BILLBOARDS

    I expect to love it

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    This is awsum (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 04:23:31 PM EST
    Seriously one of the best "movie" movies I've seen in a while.

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    ... but NOOOOoooo, The Spouse wanted to see "The Square." After that cinematic equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, she promised me that I get to pick the next movie, so it'll either be "Three Billboards" or "Lady Bird." Or both.

    I agree that Woody Harrelson is seriously underrated as an actor. I was a big fan of "Cheers," and he was fine in that. But then he totally blew me away in "The People vs. Larry Flynt," for which he received an Oscar nomination as Best Actor. He and Courtney Love deserved the "movie couple of the year" award for their performances as Larry and Althea Flynt.

    Aloha.

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    I have read good reviews of Three Billboards. (none / 0) (#149)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 11:06:35 AM EST
    The whole subject matter of the film looks interesting.  And there's Frances McDormand.

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    Francis is awsum (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 11:18:13 AM EST
    But you know who else is awzum? Woody. I really think he is under rated as an actor.  I just saw WAR FOR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES.
    Which is amazing.  Really.  As an effects person it is awe inspiring.   Andy should get a nomination for Cesar.
    But Woody is also awsum.


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    Sam Rockwell is the man as well (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 01:13:27 PM EST
    another underrated one with great chops.

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    We went to see David Sedaris... (none / 0) (#147)
    by desertswine on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 11:19:35 PM EST
    on Sat. nite.  Very funny but lots of scatological humor for some reason.  Weird. I guess that he'll never do anything to rival "Holidays on Ice" from '96 or so.

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    An intelligent (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 04:33:44 PM EST
    And valid  criticism

    The 'Justice League' movie's greatest sin is reducing Wonder Woman to a sidekick
    Wonder Woman's awesomeness serves mostly to highlight the greater awesomeness of the guys around her.

    William Marston, Wonder Woman's creator, was a psychologist, a visionary, and more than a bit of a crank. He believed that society was too masculine, so he created a female hero who could teach women -- and as well as men -- how to embrace a feminine strength. "It seemed to me from a psychological angle, that the comics' worst offense was their blood-curdling masculinity," he wrote in a 1944 article about his creation. "A male hero, at best, lacks the qualities of maternal love and tenderness which are as essential to a normal child as the breath of life."

    Marston created Wonder Woman to serve as a feminine archetype -- or in his terms a "love leader." Love leaders were women who used their feminine "allure" to seduce and inspire both women and men to submit to an utopian matriarchy.

    Marston's vision sounded loopy in his own time, and in our day his ideas about women sound regressive. But whether or not you buy his gender essentialism, the upshot was stories in which women ruled the page.

    It didn't have to be this way. The "Wonder Woman" film was by far the most successful entry in the DC superhero franchise, both critically and commercially. And Gal Gadot is easily the most charismatic performer of the core five heroes; Flash speaks for us all when he tells Wonder Woman everyone would back her if she killed and replaced the stiff, pompous Batfleck.

    It's easy to imagine a "Justice League" movie centering around Wonder Woman the way the X-Men movies ended up centered around Wolverine. Instead, Warner Brothers chose to follow the usual script. Wonder Woman ends up as a token and her awesomeness serves mostly to highlight the greater awesomeness of the guys around her.

    Back in the 1940s, Marston was able to imagine a world in which women's stories were at the center of the world. The "Wonder Woman" film notwithstanding, that's still a revolutionary vision.

    This is a commercial (and sad) decision that I doubt Snyder had much to do with.  WATCHMEN was a bit of a standout as far as female heros.

    And SUCKER PUNCH,well, you really would just have to see SUCKER PUNCH.

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    Also interesting (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 05:07:59 PM EST

    Fans Are Already Petitioning For Zack Snyder's Cut Of Justice League

    Snyder's Justice League changed considerably over the course of its production and post-production processes. Between many significant behind-the-scenes changes at DC Entertainment, as well as the decision to bring Joss Whedon in to finish the film, it's beginning to look more and more like Snyder's original vision for the movie was altered by the time the blockbuster debuted. Now it seems like some fans want to see what could've been, as a petition to release a director's cut of the film is gaining traction online.

    This Change.org petition makes it abundantly clear: a large segment of the DCEU fanbase wants to see Justice League restored to Zack Snyder's original, unabridged version, complete with the Junkie XL score that accompanied the movie before Danny Elfman stepped in as the film's composer. The primary complaints presented in this petition seem to be the fact that Justice League suffered because of its short two-hour runtime, as well as the fact that changes made to the film don't reflect it as the final leg of a trilogy that started with Man of Steel and continued with Batman v Superman. In the eyes of the folks running this petition: Justice League isn't Star Wars: A New Hope; it needs more room to breath so it can flesh out its characters.

    Snyder makes long movies.

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    The petition (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 at 05:14:42 PM EST
    It's a nerd invasion

    "how will a film that has 6 main characters, their supporting players, a story that revolves around an alien invasion, the terraforming of earth and the return of a familiar face, would fit in a 2hr runtime?",

    LINK

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    RIP, David Cassidy (1950-2017). (none / 0) (#160)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 09:02:25 PM EST
    He had been diagnosed with non-Alzheimer's dementia earlier this year and died today in Florida of multiple organ failure, which was likely related to that disease. If the passing of arguably one of the biggest pop star flashes in the pan from the early 1970s doesn't make you feel old as a Baby Boomer, then nothing will.