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Here is the interview with the Sheriff today from Las Vegas on the Mandalay Bay shootings.

He sounds defensive and nervous -- his voice is shaky. At the end, after reading accounts from victims, he begins to tremble, an associate puts his hand on his shoulder, and he ends the conference with "Vegas Strong" and takes no questions.

His explanation of the timeline made no sense to me -- probably because he doesn't describe events in order. He talks about one thing and then backtracks and then goes forward. And in his effort to avoid mentioning Paddock by name, he doesn't clearly distinguish between items, such as a "barricaded door" an "open door" and "the suspect's room." As to the security guard: [More...]

First he defends the timeline of 9:59. He says the time was right, the circumstances were different. Then he says he agrees with MGM's statement the security guard's shooting was within 40 seconds of 10:05 when the mass shootings began.

Here's what he said that's confusing: 9:59 is the time. Mr. Campos encountered the barricaded door next to Paddock's room. He had to access the 32nd floor from another floor. He did that. He went to the 32nd floor to check the report of an open door on the floor. He mitigated that situation. He and then received fire from the suspect in close proximity to 22:05.

I think he's trying to say: 9:59 is the time he reached the 32nd floor from the stairwell but could not get access to the floor because Paddock had barricaded it. So he then went to another floor and got access. (Did he take the elevator? Why didn't he take the elevator in the first place?) Once on the 32nd floor, he went to the room with the open door and closed it. As he was walking down the hall after having closed the open door, he was shot by Paddock. The time is now close to 10:05 pm when the shooting began. He says Campos called security right away.

It is believed Paddock intentionally fired on the air tanks.

He is similarly unclear (and in my view, misleading) on the room registration. He confirms Paddock checked into a room in the hotel on the 25th and occupied it. He says on the 28th the compensation form changed and the name on the registration changed to include Marilou Danley.

He does not address whether he occupied the same room or changed rooms on the 28th. As I wrote here in depth, a person with access to the hotel's records told a newspaper that he asked for the suite, it wasn't available until Saturday.

A person who has seen Mandalay Bay hotel records that have been turned over to investigators said Wednesday they show Stephen Paddock asked for the two-room suite on the 32nd floor when he checked in last Thursday. The room wasn’t available until Saturday and he moved into it then and opened fire from it the next night, killing dozens and wounding hundreds.

Another report I read said he was comped as to the first room on the 25th but not the suite. Did he add Marilou's name to the registration on the 28th when he changed rooms so he could bill it to her credit card? Did he not have had credit cards in his own name to hide his activity and routinely use hers?

His other comments were mostly not news and repeats of his last conference: No brain abnormalities found (they've shipped it elsewhere for a second check.) The FBI agent with him said they can't say anymore because it's an ongoing investigation.

There's no reference to when Paddock broke the windows. There's no clearing up of early reports saying the 200 rounds he fired into the hallway occurred when the police arrived, which is what caused them not to breach the room until almost an hour after the shootings began. The maintenance worker, on the other hand, referred to shots coming down the hallway after Campos had been shot. If Paddock had fired 200 shots at Campos, wouldn't he have been hit by more than one bullet? How did just one bullet land in his thigh?

It's clear the Sheriff and FBI want the public to believe Paddock would have started shooting at the crowd attending the music festival even if the security guard not shown up. I'm not convinced of that yet, and it's mostly because of the Sheriff's clumsy way of explaining things.

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    Apparently Marilou's Brother is Still Missing (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 11:44:59 AM EST
    Update here.

    So Has the Security Guard (none / 0) (#26)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 17, 2017 at 10:11:30 AM EST
    Link What a great day for conspiracy theorists.

    He was scheduled to appear (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 17, 2017 at 12:13:30 PM EST
    on Hannity. Thats enough to make any normal person violently ill right there.

    I saw that (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 17, 2017 at 12:16:59 PM EST
    And I agree completely

    That is heartbreaking (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 17, 2017 at 05:40:00 PM EST
    It's clear the Sheriff and FBI (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 03:23:55 PM EST
    It's clear the Sheriff and FBI want the public to believe Paddock would have started shooting at the crowd attending the music festival even if the security guard not shown up. I'm not convinced of that yet

    Me either.

    Coming (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 05:08:21 PM EST
    up the stairs in the first place does seem strange. I'm guessing he rode most of the way up and walked to the end staircase to climb the last flight or two, is that standard procedure for a door ajar alarm?  

    I think I read somewhere that the door ajar (none / 0) (#3)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 05:22:25 PM EST
    alarm was for the door to the end staircase. Not 100%, might be getting something mixed up...

    I (none / 0) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 06:25:38 PM EST
    think it might be confusing it with this
    Stephen Schuck said he was on a higher floor than Paddock and had come down to check a fire exit door that wouldn't open, according to an interview Schuck gave on "The Today Show" Wednesday morning.

    Ya, maybe that's it. (none / 0) (#7)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 08:17:37 PM EST
    200? (none / 0) (#5)
    by linea on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 08:07:57 PM EST
    this coudn't possibly be correct:
    reports saying the 200 rounds he fired into the hallway

    i read this in a news article and in the comments section someone noted that 200 rounds is 7 magazines of 30 rounds or 4 drums of 50 rounds. that's insane.

    The photos of the 2 guns on the floor near (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 08:16:58 PM EST
    his feet look like they could well be either 50 or 100 round magazines, based on photos I could google. Due to their thickness, they look like 100s to me.

    sorry (none / 0) (#8)
    by linea on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 09:03:52 PM EST
    my point wasn't that he didn't have that many bullets, but rather i was trying to put in context the amount of time and massive amount of ammunition this is. all those bullets would have passed through the walls on the opposite side of the hallway and possibly through the outer walls of the building. 200 rounds would mean 400 bullet holes in the door and walls of the hallway. could be. but it just seems so massive. i wonder where the `200' assertion is originally from.

    Although (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 07:05:48 AM EST
    the holes were rather small, they had to count them all..... just another day in the life in America.

    could be (none / 0) (#13)
    by linea on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 05:10:18 PM EST
    maybe somebody counted all the bullet holes (400 if he fired through the door). or maybe deputy dawg exclaimed, "bullet holes everywhere! i'm tellin' ya sherrif, it's like he fired two hundred bullets in that hallway or sump thin! that's why we waited an hour for the swat team to show up!"

    Ah, I see. No idea where the number 200 (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Oct 14, 2017 at 07:54:37 AM EST
    came from.

    here's one article (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Oct 13, 2017 at 09:45:09 PM EST
    saying 200 rounds into hallway fired at security guard

    Here is the sheriff's timeline from Oct 4 (just click on it to enlarge it)

    Monday  the Sheriff said

    In a chronology provided Monday, Lombardo had said Paddock started spraying 200 rounds from his suite into the hallway of the Mandalay Bay at 9:59 p.m., wounding an unarmed security guard in the leg. He said Friday that the security guard came to a barricaded stairwell door at 9:59 and wasn't shot until around 10:05 p.m.

    I'm not sure where I read that the shots were fired after police arrived (not the security guard). Sorry, but you can google it I'm sure.


    Or two 100 round mags. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 11:18:17 AM EST
    Some random thoughts (none / 0) (#15)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 06:47:56 PM EST
    I still wonder about the choice of small arms in this attack.

    First thing that comes to mind is just because you can do something does not mean you should do something.  It is true that full auto weapons have a cyclic rate of 450, 600, 800 or even higher rounds per minute.  But the reality of the matter is that, with the exception of things like miniguns, machine guns don't fire near that fast.  The problem is that the rounds create a lot of heat and the weapon simply will not function.  The reason Browning came out with the M1917 water cooled machine gun was so circulating water in a tube around the barrel would aid in cooling; and even then it had a cyclic rate of 450 RPM.  But in reality no one ever fired one that fast in combat.  So when someone claims a bump stock can allow weapons fire 800 rounds per minute most small arms folks view it as just silly.

    Military and law enforcement teach that you should fire full auto weapons in bursts of 2,3, or 4 rounds.  This not only helps with cooling but also reduces jams.  This is true for not just full auto weapons that are mag fed but belt fed weapons as well.

    Which raises the topic of mag size.  I have not seen confirmed claims the shooter used 50 or 100 round mags but do know they exist and are not all that difficult to obtain.  But most of the shooters I know much prefer 20 round mags or smaller because they tend to be more reliable and reduce jams.  It is rare for military or law enforcement to use mags with a capacity of more than 30 rounds for this reason.  While I have not seen confirmation I have seen posts that LEOs found 2 or 3 of the shooters weapons jammed.

    While there are multiple reasons weapons jam knowing how modern firearms work will help understand a lot.  My understanding is that all the shooters weapons are/were gas operated.  In simple terms this means some of the gas that propels the round down range is siphoned off into a piston that ejects the spent round and loads another round.

    I have been bashed for my comments about bump stocks being a toy; but I still make that claim.  The reason is that a bump stock takes some of the energy from the gas needed for the weapon to function and uses it for another purpose.  As this vid shows even shooting a 20 round clip results in all too frequent jams.

    Moving right along here is a vid showing what a 50 cal can do.  Knowing the shooter put a couple of rounds in the fuel tanks in view I wonder what the result would have been if he had used a few armor piercing rounds followed by an explosive incendiary round like in this vid.  I know the second vid is kinda cheating but it is worth a click any way.

    I saw the same thing (none / 0) (#16)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 06:54:49 PM EST
    Also read where he was with one, or more, hookers during the trip where he shot up the concert.  One claim was he was with one two days before.  Also read this about hotels/casinos.

    "For petty prostitution, petty larceny, property damage, we evict the people," said the executive. "We don't want security to be tied up, waiting for the police to arrive."

    Also read this about how hotel security is mostly unarmed but does have police power.

    the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 09:31:43 PM EST
    was deleted. Law Enforcement said the hooker story wasn't true.

    Not disputing this but (none / 0) (#21)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 11:31:21 AM EST
    anyone who has been to the Las Vegas strip knows that finding hookers is never a problem; in fact avoiding hookers is frequently more of a problem.

    Things like this only serve to lower confidence in the story authorities are putting out.


    I think you read it wrong (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 09:40:15 PM EST
    Unless I'm missing something, the article you link to says gaming control officers (not hotel security) have police powers.

    If you get caught card counting -- which casinos work hard to deter -- you'll be kicked off the game by security, not police, since it's against casino rules but not illegal. In some cases, particularly for repeat offenders, players can be banned from the casino's premises. Venture back and police will be called.

    A bonafide cheater -- someone who, say, marks cards -- gets treated differently: "He'll be handcuffed, taken into a backroom, and we might start interrogating him while waiting for a gaming control officer," said the former guard. "They're all over the Strip and have police power."

    I sit corrected (none / 0) (#20)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 11:27:58 AM EST
    In my defense as one poster below noted there seems to be some type of blackout on coverage of the attack.  As you pointed out when starting this thread there are a lot of things that don't add up and a lot of questions that need to be answered.

    I as still waiting to an answer to your questions about Paddock getting a comped room and then possibly switching to a room paid for by his girlfriend's CC.  The article I linked to also noted that while security in Las Vegas was quick to find and deal with supposed cheaters or card counters security for what many folks would consider normal crimes seem to be lax.


    Does anyone have an idea (none / 0) (#19)
    by NYShooter on Sun Oct 15, 2017 at 09:55:36 PM EST
    of how many shots in total Paddock is estimated to have fired.

    The reason I'm asking is.....it's claimed he fired approximately 200 rounds at the security guy, and, then fired almost continuously for around 10 mins. at the crowd outside. That would total thousands & thousands of rounds out the window. The pictures I've seen of Paddock's hotel room after his suicide show some cartridges scattered around the floor, but, nowhere near the number I would have expected.

    All I know is that in a real war battle, when a machine gun is set up, one of the considerations is where the ejections are going to land, and, pile up. The shells pile up so fast, if the spent cartridges aren't planned for,  they'd create a hazard for the machine gun support guys, like trying to work in a room with thousands of marbles on the floor. Paddock's room didn't look like it had anywhere near the number of shells that ten minutes of almost continuous firing would have produced.

    I'm not claiming any kind of conspiracy here, but, with so little official reporting going on, I've got a lot of questions, just obvious questions that most prior events like this one, they have reported obvious, key information on almost the first day or two.

    You may be confusing (none / 0) (#23)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 11:45:15 AM EST
    machine guns with full auto weapons.  While a belt fed machine gun can quickly build up a pile of spent rounds it takes longer for even the best full auto weapons to do that.  But even a real belt fed machine gun does not fire continuously; and especially continuously for ten minutes.

    Even with 100 round mags the real, as opposed to theoretical, cyclic rate of a full auto weapon is no where close to a belt fed weapon.  It is no sure thing that a semi auto weapon with a bump stock would even be able to go through a 50 round mag with out jamming.  In addition if the weapon did empty a 50 or 100 round mag most experienced marksmen would set it aside to cool down a little.  I suspect this is the reason Paddock had so many weapons; so he could fire one till the mag was empty or jammed and then grab another one and repeat.  

    But as with a few of my other posts this is another question I would like to see answered.  Early on (something that may be refuted later by LEOs) I read that 200 rounds were fired through the door and 1600 round were fired; but it was not clear if the 1600 number included the 200 rounds.


    Yeah, thanks, ragebot (none / 0) (#24)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 12:08:36 PM EST
    I'm pretty familiar with semi-auto, full-auto, and, machine guns. (I was in the military....in combat.) My point was, simply, even if he used bolt action rifles, the number of spent cartridges would have been far, far greater than the few scattered around that the pictures showed.

    My bigger complaint is, however, the reporting has been the worst I've ever experienced. I understand that the grifters, conspiracy theorists, and, fake news producers come out of the woodwork after one of these events, but, this isn't new. There are so, so many questions, so many things that just don't add up, and.....no answers. It's been two weeks now, and, all this time has been dominated by only one item.....the time line for that security guard: one minute, or, 6?  


    yes (none / 0) (#25)
    by linea on Mon Oct 16, 2017 at 09:03:06 PM EST
    Does anyone have an idea
    by NYShooter
    of how many shots in total Paddock is estimated to have fired.

    news reports claim `more than 200' in the hallway and `more than 1000' at the crowd outside.


    timeline (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Tue Oct 17, 2017 at 07:33:06 PM EST
    i believe this is the most current timeline proposed by law enforcement:

    09:59 - security and maintenance arrive on floor
    10:04 - security person fired on and wounded
    10:05 - paddock starts firing on crowd outside

    My understanding (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 09:29:20 AM EST
    of the revised timeline, is that Campos (security)encountered the blocked stairwell door at 9:59 then took another route and only arrived near the shooters door immediately before he was shot. Reportedly the maintenance man arrived mere seconds later (after Campos had been shot but while the shooter was still shooting down the hallway).

    I would be very interested in the timeline of the maintenance man. He was there to check on the blocked stairwell as opposed to the guest door ajar that Campos was there to check on.

    The two big questions I have is, why Campos came up the stairway as opposed to the elevator for what seems to be a routine problem ? And when and how did  maintenance become aware of the stair well problem. Did Campos call it in when he discovered it at 9:59? It seems hard to believe that maintenance would react that swiftly (around 5 minutes),or was the problem called in previously(by whom?) and in another coincidence just happened to arrive at nearly the same time.

    There still are too many unanswered questions and or coincidences for this skeptic. Maybe it's just the fog of war effect, but it does seem with the multiple witnesses, video and audio records there should be some kind of clarity by now.

    My suspicion is that the Hotel knew something hinky (though probably not the scope) was going on well before the actual shooting started and they are trying to limit their liability from the inevitable lawsuits.


    Campos and security guard talk to (none / 0) (#32)
    by ragebot on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 02:37:28 PM EST

    Not a whole lot new except Campos and the guard don't seem to want to talk to anyone anymore.

    To update the above timeline Campos came up the stairs (no word about why he did not use the elevator) and found the door blocked by a metal bracket that was screwed in so he called in and this information was sent to engineering who sent an engineer to check it out and Campos also noticed a drilling sound.  Then Campos walked to a  second unblocked door and entered the hall way near the shooters room letting the automatic door close on its own resulting in a loud noise attracting the shooters attention who then stopped drilling and opened fire, quit firing for a short time till the engineer appeared, Campos told the engineer to duck, just as the shooter fired again.  No explanation on why the shooter quit firing down the hall way and then opened up on the crowed below for maybe 10 minutes before the shooter quite the attack and took his own life before the LEOs arrived 12 minutes later.

    None of this is really different than what has been put out  before, just confirmation.  It is still hard for me to understand why the shooter would (apparently, no confirmation I have seen) block only one of the stair well doors and leave the other one unblocked, why he was drilling in his room, why he would open up on a single person in the hallway with a massive attack that would draw attention, then shift to attacking the crowd, and finally take his own life before the LEOs arrived.

    A few other posters have noted they were not convinced the country music concert was the real target.  All the prep that night seems a day late and a dollar short given the attack started in the last set of the concert.  Anyone know if there were more events planned for the next day or night?


    The (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 03:57:37 PM EST
    time line seems to fall apart here
    When he got onto the 32nd floor and reached the stairwell door -- which was inside a small room with two doors that separates the stairwell from the hallway, immediately adjacent to Paddock's suite -- Campos found a "metal bracket" blocking the door to the stairwell.

    He said he called security dispatch to transfer his call to the building's engineers, who sent an engineer to examine the door.

     Once again how did Schuck get there so fast? Indications are Campos got shot mere moments later and Schuck arrived mere moments later while he was still firing down the hallway.

    Campos seemed awfully blase on the weirdness going on

    "At that time I heard what I assumed was drilling sounds," Campos said. (Officials have said that Paddock appeared to be drilling into a wall inside his room for unknown reasons.) As Campos walked down the hall, away from Paddock's suite, the outer door of the access room, which was unblocked, closed loudly behind him.

    Let's see, door alarm (which door?), an extremely unusual and illegal barricading of the stairwell, strange drilling in the wall, ho-hum. Then he just waltzes out into the hallway slamming the door behind him?
    Then casually walks down the hall

    "I believe that's what caught the shooter's attention," Campos said. "As I was walking down, I heard rapid fire, and at first I took cover."

    BTW: I find it hard to believe that the the doors leading to the hallway would be heavy and sprung hard enough to disturb the guests. The whole alcove set up is set up to isolate the actual fire door leading to the stairwell.


    Not sure where the confusion is. (none / 0) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 04:14:25 PM EST
    Campos tried to enter the 32nd floor but the door was fastened shut.

    He called security/engineering to tell them, and they dispatched Schuck.

    Campos then went to a different stairway to the 32nd floor.

    He entered the 32nd floor.

    He got shot.

    Then Shuck showed up.


    That's (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 04:49:34 PM EST
    what I thought at first, that he called when he first encountered the blocked door at 9:59, even then the response time for maintenance seemed awfully quick. However from his own narrative it appears that he only called it in when he found the brackets on the 32nd floor, by any reading he must have been shot moments later, making the arrival of Schuck that quickly very strange indeed.

    Probably this will be a fog of war situation and the call was made earlier and  Schuck got there much later he could have imagined that he was under fire long after the shooter turned on the crowd for all be know, but until the officials lock it down I remain curious.


    ya, maybe if he did only call it in (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 05:04:18 PM EST
    when he actually entered the 32nd floor and observed the bracket.

    From today's LATimes:

    Engineer Schuck, responding to Campos' earlier call about a blocked door, arrived on a service elevator from a higher floor, and he spotted Campos at the end of a hallway. It was quiet as Schuck walked toward Paddock's end of the hallway. Then he saw Campos and heard gunshots.

    pretty straight forward.

    From the interview:

    Alarm goes off from the 32nd floor fire exit door.

    Campos walks up the fire exit stairs to that door from the 31st floor, but the door was fastened shut. (I presume the alarm was set off while Paddock was messing with the door while he worked to bracket it shut.)

    Campos then took the elevator to the 32nd floor.

    He walked down the hall, went through first door to fire exit anteroom and saw that second door, to fire exit staircase itself, was bracketed shut.

    He called security/engineering from the anteroom to tell them about the bracket and they dispatched Schuck.

    Campos hears drilling sounds. Wonders if engineering is nearby somewhere doing something.

    Campos leaves the anteroom and enters the hallway and the door closes loudly behind him.

    Campos walks down the hall toward the elevator.

    Paddock starts shooting through the door and hits Campos.

    Campos takes cover.

    Schuck arrives from the service elevator from a higher floor.

    Campos sees him and tells him to take cover.

    Paddock starts shooting through the door at Schuck.


    Ellen (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 05:37:19 PM EST
    No reason for me to wonder (none / 0) (#39)
    by ragebot on Wed Oct 18, 2017 at 10:56:30 PM EST
    about what is claimed till the shooting started.  Even if it is off by a little I am not sure what difference that makes.  I am not sure why the shooter would start and keep shooting so much that there would be no question LEOs would be alerted and arrive in a hurry.  Don't forget the anti gun control meme "Police are only minutes away when seconds count".  Then stop shooting up the hall way and attack the crowd for 10 minutes, kill himself, and be found dead by the LEOs who arrive 12 minutes later, but wait half an hour or more before going in the room.  Not to mention the LEOs had to breach a door that  200 round were fired at.  Not sure what kinda door that was but very few doors I have seen could withstand 200 rounds and still be any barrier to entry; especially if tools to breach it were used.  I know there is the concern about explosives wired to the door but if that was the case it raises the question of what type of system would withstand 200 rounds and not detonate, but still function when the room was entered.

    To make matters worse MGM/Mandalay sponsors Ellen's show and the Mandalay has Ellen Degeneres shot machines which she actively promotes.  Seems like a wet dream for the tin foil hat crowd.


    Ya, I don't know either. (none / 0) (#40)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 19, 2017 at 11:07:19 AM EST
    Simplest explanation could be that he did things in the heat of the moment that he might have done differently otherwise.