Friday Open Thread

Colombia is mulling over whether to allow companies to put coca in their products.
Lawmakers are working on a proposal that would allow anyone — not just indigenous groups — to harvest coca crops for traditional and medical uses. According to the project’s sponsor, Sen. Juan Manuel Galán, tens of thousands of coca farmers currently locked in the drug trade could be selling their crops to a thriving industry making products like the ones Coca Nasa has pioneered.
Sen. Juan Manuel Galán is the son of former Liberal party presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galan Sarmiento, who was killed in August 1989 by the Medellin cartel. In May, he announced his candidacy for President of Colombia in 2018.

Someone besides me takes issue with the series Narcos and its "reliance on doctored history."

Time for a new open thread. All topics welcome.

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    meanwhile (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19:42 AM EST
    in the real world some really encouraging news on the economy.
    The incomes of typical Americans rose in 2015 by 5.2  percent, the first significant boost to middle-class pay since the end of the Great Recession and the fastest increase ever recorded by the federal government, the Census Bureau reported on Tuesday.

    In addition, the poverty rate fell by 1.2 percentage points, the steepest decline since 1968. There were 43.1 million Americans in poverty on the year, 3.5 million fewer than in 2014.

    The share of Americans who lack health insurance continued a years-long decline, falling 1.3 percentage points, to 9.1 percent.

      Countdown to trump and the Basket cases calling these numbers fake 10,9,8..........

    "Great" sex bad for older men (none / 0) (#1)
    by McBain on Fri Sep 09, 2016 at 05:59:45 PM EST
    but good for women according to CNN article.

    Older men who found sex with their partner extremely pleasurable, or satisfying, had higher risk of cardiovascular events than men who did not feel so

    For their female partners, however, results were different. Women who said they had frequent, extremely satisfying sex had a lower risk of hypertension, a common precursor to heart disease.

    As with most health-related articles, I'm skeptical.  

    Did they specifically ask the females (none / 0) (#2)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 09, 2016 at 06:08:28 PM EST
    if they were having the sex with their male partners?

    sorry but can you please (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 09, 2016 at 11:29:32 PM EST
    not post about s*xual matters without asterisks? It attracts spammers like crazy. Please re-post without using phrases like "great s*x". I will then delete this comment.

    I posted a new version below (none / 0) (#28)
    by McBain on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 08:27:40 PM EST
    You can delete this one... or both.  I find the topic interesting but I put very little stock in the study.  

    Pipeline halted... for now.. (none / 0) (#3)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 09, 2016 at 06:15:01 PM EST
    NYT -

    BISMARCK -- The United States government ordered a pause in construction on part of a North Dakota pipeline that inspired protests among Native Americans and environmentalists on Friday.

    The order came after a federal judge's ruling rejected efforts by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe to halt construction of the Dakota Access pipeline, which would run just north of their reservation boundaries.

    Moments after the ruling came down, the United States government in an unusual move issued a statement saying it would, for the time being, not allow the pipeline to be built underneath a dammed section of the Missouri River that has become a focal point of the pipeline dispute. The statement, from the Justice and Interior Departments and the Army, urged the pipeline company to pause construction.

    Tribal leaders said they were heartened by the government's move and relieved that, for the time being, the Dakota Access pipeline would not be allowed to cross under their water supply. "When there's a wrong that keeps continuing to happen, it's oaky to stand up against that wrong. That's all we did," said David Archambault II, chairman of the Standing Rock Sioux. "I'm just so thankful that agencies are starting to listen."

    Gasoline (none / 0) (#5)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 07:14:48 AM EST
    Followed (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 07:46:11 AM EST
    up by a devastating new ad Prominent Republicans trashing Trump, leading of with Lindsey Graham calling him a 'race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot".

    Yeah, there (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 08:31:18 AM EST
    was some hand wringing about this but Trump supporters never fail when something like this happens and they start spouting all kinds of alt-right rhetoric.

    There (none / 0) (#8)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 08:40:57 AM EST
    will be plenty of hand wringing but the Clinton campaign is more than willing to suffer the BS just to keep a bright light on the dark underbelly of the Trumpian movement.

    She is so desperate to hold on (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 12:18:24 PM EST
    to the base and try to put a cloud over her email and pay for play scandal she thinks insulting people if a good strategy.

    Okie Dokie

    And the polls tighten....:-)


    That's the GOP line (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 12:26:05 PM EST
    but they know they are losing. So the GOP is just flinging poo on the wall.

    The one who should be worried is Trump with him going to trial for child rape and the Bondi mess in Florida and all the newspapers calling for the feds to go down to Florida. Then he has the Trump University fraud case coming up too.

    And the Dem base is around 10 points more than the GOP base. So nothing wrong with that.


    It's not complicated (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 12:50:25 PM EST
    at all.

    "The base" is willing to overlook a fair amount, because they don't want an ammoral, unstable, megalomaniacal nut as President of the United States.

    Jim is the absolute master at complicating the self-evident and over-simplifying the complex..


    The polls don't show that (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 02:59:14 PM EST
    GA, you're whistling past the graveyard.

    And guess who's getting buried there.. (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 03:25:09 PM EST
    your Great White Dope.

    Hmm (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 04:44:49 PM EST
    all the polls show the Orange Man losing don't they? Yes, he is going to quite well in the State of Tennessee but you really need to get out more Jim.

    I will say one thing for the orange man. He's separating the wheat from the chaff. Which states are alt-right states are going to be quite obvious.


    Someone at Lawyers, Guns, and Money (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 04:53:26 PM EST
    calls him Tangerine Littlefingers.

    Sounds like a gay medicine man (not that there's anything wrong with that)


    It's called being on offense (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 09:18:34 PM EST
    The bigots and racists won't be voting for Hillary anyway.

    And, who are these people?  Those who believe that Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim.  The polling data show that is actually more than half of Trump's supporters.


    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 10:56:19 PM EST
    is she really supposed to play nice with the people who chant lock her up(or worse). If she isn't going to call out the hate that drives much of trumps support? Surely not the cowardly Press or the craven Repugs (although they are on tape calling him out earlier this year).

    Clinton apologized for those (none / 0) (#32)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 12:00:10 AM EST
    "Deplorable state" remarks after Trump and the GOP and, of course, the press pitched a fit about her nasty remarks.

    I wish she had not apologized, but she did. Probably figured the press would harangue her about ala email.


    Mrs. Clinton gave a backhanded apology. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:22:52 AM EST

    And in trolling both Trump and the media last night, she's moved the conversation onto her turf and she got her supporters off their a$$es and on the offensive. And even better, the Trumponistas themselves took the bait -- Example No. 1 and Example No. 2 and Example No. 3 and Example No. 4.

    Any journalists who clutch their pearls over her calling out Trump & Co., LLC are themselves deplorable.



    Hillary apologized (none / 0) (#38)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:10:13 AM EST
    for saying "half" were deplorable.

    Ha!  Great response.  Our gal is tough and knows how to fight!


    Also (none / 0) (#41)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:23:49 AM EST
    Left the 9/11 ceremony early, not feeling well.

    Left the reporter pool in the dark for a bit.

    Law enforcement sources told Fox news she stumbled, fainted while waiting for her motorcade.

    The Clinton campaign says she is now resting at her daughters apartment.


    Tell us, Trevor. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:01:03 PM EST
    Is there a fact-free right-wing meme from Fox News and AM squawk radio that you WON'T parrot and belabor in these threads?

    Here's the video (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:16:03 PM EST
    She is obviously collapsing.

    Watch the woman to Hillary's left grasp Hillary's left arm and watch Hillary slump as the try to get her into the vehicle.


    She is a fairly short person (none / 0) (#59)
    by sallywally on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:06:25 PM EST
    Who stepped off the curb and may have tripped (something I,a fairly short person, often have done when stepping down, then up into a car or SUV).....just saying, you can't see her fully in the video to confirm the reason her head went down. I certainly don't trust Fox's "information". No one else seems to have that "info."

    I also noted she was standing at the ceremony surrounded closely by people well taller than she...I can attest to the fact that the short person can get pretty warm in that situation, especially with the sun shining down on one (the tall people do not provide shade).


    Oh please (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:20:23 PM EST
    Watch and you can see her propped against the post and then start to collapse at about the 9-10 sec mark. She is clearly on the sidewalk.You can see her right leg not move correctly.People around her are grabbing and holding her.

    I hope they got her to a hospital and checked for a stroke.


    Jim (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:25:49 PM EST
    you can't even see her in that video. Besides she's already left Chelsea's apartment and is feeling fine. There's video of her walking out of the apartment and shouting to reporters.

    Sorry, another conspiracy theory from the right wing foiled again. However, the more you shop this kind of stuff the more you are conceding that Trump is going to lose because it seems your only hope is for something to happen to Hillary. You seem to know that Trump is a terrible candidate.


    GA, you BS your (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:30:58 PM EST
    friends...but you can't deny the facts.

    She was being held back using the post as a prop held by the woman on her left holding under her left arm. A classic grasp. I used it many times on my mother when she became shakey and unable to stand and walk by herself.

    When the doors open Hillary moves forward. You can see her dip twice and the man on her right grab her. And you can see her right leg buckle.

    She had a problem. She left the scene early. She can't walk and must be helped into the van.

    And you think she is physically capable of being President?



    Jim look (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:56:11 PM EST
    at the real tape from the journalists not conspiracy theorists on Facebook. You said she fainted not that she was shaky. Sheesh silly boy.

    Yes, she is definitely physically capable of being president. If you would wait for all the facts to come out you could quit making a fool of yourself.


    Real?? (1.00 / 1) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 06:55:05 PM EST
    It is a video tape.

    Sounds like you're the conspiracy buff.


    And of course we now know that she has pneumonia and that's what was going on.

    Why does Hillary's people lie when the truth would have been better??

    "She was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday and advised to rest but she has so much respect for the victims of 9/11 she decided she would attend anyway. Unfortunately it was a bit too much and she needed to rest."

    See how great that would have been?

    Of course they were telling us she had an allergy. Lie after lie.

    And with her track record of lies no one believes her.

    Looks like the world has turned. As they said about Trump, "Time for you to step down and be replaced by the VP candidate."


    She's (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:01:18 PM EST
    a bad ass for showing up sick at 9/11. Trump whined and left early. Do you want a whiner for president?

    And no, if she had not shown up for the 9/11 memorial you would be saying it was because she was half dead. Go to the other thread and click on the link showing the disgusting filth you are supporting. You know when you lie down with dog you get up with fleas Jim.


    Going anyplace when you have a (1.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 01:11:05 PM EST
    communicable disease shows a lack of respect for others and a very poor judgement about her own health.

    She is taking a blood thinner which is used to prevent strokes and blood clots.

    She is at risk for rapid loss of blood and collapse should she suffer any rupture of a major artery or vein. This is true 24 7 and has nothing to do with pneumonia. A friend's mother died like that. One of the big arteries ruptured and she bled to death. She was 67.

    If Hillary had been my wife, or mother I would have taken her immediately to the nearest hospital ER. Based on what I see she'll wind up their sooner or later.

    You keep on blathering about Trump's supporters.

    So far no one has broken the nose of a Hillary supporter or pinned a young women against a hotel glass door. Both of these incidents were well reported.

    So while words will never harm me, violent actions will.

    Broken nose.

    Girl assaulted

    Sometimes they use knifes.

    Sometimes they get real violent.

    http://archive.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119037014.html">Sometimes they threaten death.

    Sometimes they just want your daughter raped.

    And sometimes they just want to murder

    You are so typical of the Left complaining that some Christian condemn gays...yet you defend islamist radicals that kill gays.


    Someone..anyone.. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    at this site defended islamist radicals who've killed gays?

    Time for your pill and time out, Jimmy.


    Jim, you have (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 01:48:02 PM EST
    thrown yourself in the basket with the despicable filth that is supporting Trump.

    All of a sudden you are pretending to be a doctor. That's pretty funny.

    I'm not going to click on your conspiracy sites but your own candidate advocated having Hillary murdered. I don't think you can ever top that one. She has to wear a Kevlar vest because of people like you and your disgusting compatriots.

    And Jim there are numerous stories of Trump supporters beating people up UNPROVOKED unless you consider someone's skin color a provocation.


    Conspiracy Sites?? (none / 0) (#116)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:22:26 PM EST
    That show the people????  Okie Dokie. You're just showing how biased you are.


    It sure hurts to face reality, doesn't it.

    And you don't need to be an MD to check the side effects of drugs.. In fact, your pharmacist will give you the information or you can Google them:


    Nausea, loss of appetite, or stomach/abdominal pain may occur. ...

    This medication can cause serious bleeding if it affects your blood clotting proteins too much (shown by unusually high INR lab results).


    The gateway pundit (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:49:11 PM EST
    is something you consider a "legitimate" source of information makes your entire post laughable.

    Coumadin produces none of the side effects you were advocating before like memory loss. You just undercut your own silly argument.

    Just spray yourself with orange Jim and be done with it.

    And no, the MD thing was because you were positing a diagnosis. You are acting like Bill Frist when he attempted to diagnose Terri Schiavo by doctored video tape. ROTFLMAO.

    When you get found it you just move the goal posts and scream some more.


    "Doctor" Jim (none / 0) (#110)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 01:57:33 PM EST
    Don't let the lack of a medical degree or inventing of "facts" without a clue prevent you from diagnosing,  doc.

    BTW - Your links to wingnut sites and complete mischaracterization of them was funny,  as usual.   I always love when you try to claim a comedian was Nanjing a threat when they're making a joke.  I'd that's the best you can cone up with ...


    I invite everyone (none / 0) (#117)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:28:13 PM EST
    to view the sites linked to and see how wrong you are.

    Excellent! (none / 0) (#121)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:55:30 PM EST
    I hope they do check the links, which will show them wingnut websites like the Gateway Pundit and Breitbart, not to mention your mischaracterization of a joke by a comedian.

    But if that's the best you can come up with ...


    Not all pneumonia is comminicable, Jim. (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:31:37 PM EST
    It depends upon the type of pneumonia that you have.

    Okie Dokie (none / 0) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:36:12 PM EST
    Pneumonia caused by chemical fumes or other poisons not made by infectious agents is not contagious.


    The illness that sickened Hillary Clinton with pneumonia and caused her to have to be escorted away from September 11 ceremonies in New York on Sunday also struck down several members of her campaign team at Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, PEOPLE has learned.

    "Everyone's been sick," a campaign source tells PEOPLE.

    Maybe her knew name should be Typhoid Hillary.

    Wonder how many she infected yesterday??


    Okie Dokie (none / 0) (#120)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:57:11 PM EST
    what sort of illness was it that induced you to spread the kind of wild stories that inspired Robert Dear to gun down Planned Parenthood workers?

    You ask us to take your word that you've never had a (diagnosed) serious head injury, or a (diagnosed) stroke, or say, a (diagnosed) case of advanced syphilis..

    Maybe in your quest to find out about Hillary, you'll come up with some clearer answers about what's behind the obvious clouding of your thought processes.


    Why do you always LIE? (none / 0) (#122)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:57:37 PM EST
    You claimed she was infectious, without the slightest clue what you're talking about.  Guess you don't know that not all forms of pneumonia are contagious, and even the forms that are are only contagious at certain times.

    Wonder how many people buy your lies?


    How do you imply that (none / 0) (#134)
    by ding7777 on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 08:15:37 PM EST
    Hillary was patient zero?

    What complete bu//$hit (none / 0) (#124)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:00:59 PM EST
    I hope they got her to a hospital and checked for a stroke.

    The desperation of the wingnuts is palpable.


    Yes (none / 0) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:38:10 PM EST
    they want her to die because they know it's the only way they can win an election. Kinda sad and pathetic really.

    Sometimes the truth (none / 0) (#81)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:11:50 PM EST
    Is just the truth.

    So man up and face the truth


    Trevor (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:39:04 PM EST
    you have never been able to man up and face the truth the entire time you have been concern trolling on this blog. LOL. The good news is you've been 100% wrong on everything.

    heh. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:58:53 PM EST
    Why does this comment sound like Rush Limbaugh telling an athlete they're fat and need to go on a diet?

    Saying nasty things (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:11:13 AM EST
    about your opponent is a time honored tradition.

    Saying nasty things about the voters is just dumb.

    But the Trumpster appreciates Hillary giving undecided people a reason to vote against her.

    And, despite all the "cutesy" insults and whining you all know that to be true.


    The latest poll (none / 0) (#39)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:11:58 AM EST
    shows Hillary ahead by ten among registered voters, less than that with likely voters.

    She needs to mobilize the base.  And refusing to ignore the racism of Cheeto Jesus or Orange Julius is a good way to do that.


    Thr truth hurts, huh? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 12:58:39 PM EST
    But the "pay to play" scandal was a funny, little smear.

    BTW - You don't like insults, suddenly?  What's your candidate's excuse for constantly "insulting people"?


    I love insults. (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:17:54 PM EST
    And I have always enjoyed yours...

    But a candidate insulting voters is just stupid.


    You candidate has (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:30:19 PM EST
    insulted every voter in the country except for the people Hillary called out. Somehow it's always been fine to insult voters according to you and Trump but now that Hillary called out some of Trump's voters you are having a fainting spell. It just goes to show that Trump voters are not really about "telling it like it is" unless it's telling women, POC and GLBT people that they need to know their "place" and their "place" is where people like you and Trump tell them it ought to be--mainly the old social order. Thanks so much for verifying what everybody has been saying about Trump voters.

    Oh GA (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:08:27 PM EST
    And I didn't know I was running. Quick! Tell me who "my voters" are.

    And ah yes... My opposition to capital punishment, and support for minority rights including gay marriage and drug law reform.....yes, yes indeed...that is just so "old social order."


    Really. Give it up.


    Silly boy (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:23:32 PM EST
    I said "Trump voters" and your voters but again, you pull your little silly nonsense.

    Sorry but all you have to do is look at a rally and hear what the people are saying and what the shirts they have on them to know where they stand and what they think. There are a ton of links online to all this. Perhaps you should look at them before commenting.

    But you didn't respond to my comment about Trump insulting voters and made it all about you. It's not all about you Jim.


    Silly nonsense?? (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:40:07 PM EST
    Oh,you mean my pointing out the inaccuracies in your comment??

    As for Trump, that's your job.

    As for people thinking... You don't have to guess what they want to do....Lynch Justice Thomas.

    Do you want to say they're Trump voters??



    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:48:52 PM EST
    an old video is all you have??? There are reams and reams of videos at Trump rallies and what they are saying and doing.

    You still did not answer my question but I guess you never will.


    Admit it Jim (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:51:42 PM EST
    you've chosen to throw your lot in with the basket full of despicables: people that think Obama is not an American citizen. People that think freeing the slaves was a bad idea and on and on with their DESPICABLE comments and ideas.

    Even Trump's campaign manager says there are millions of them. I'm sure unfortunately there are.


    Let me know when Trump (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:04:02 PM EST
    even comes close to the lies of Obama and Hillary.

    Oh, Trump is the (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    biggest liar ever. Just today it is all over twitter that he said he helped pull bodies out of the rubble on 9/11. He did no such thing. I'm sure that lie is okay with you though or you'll make an excuse for it pointing to Hillary or Obama. So much for that Republican "personal responsibility" thing.

    On twitter?? (none / 0) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:18:05 PM EST
    And you believe it??



    It's on (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:51:36 PM EST
    tape Jim. Only you would think that someone saying something is the truth.

    And you DON'T believe it? (none / 0) (#89)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:13:20 PM EST

    Psssttt ... there's actually a video on Twitter of Trump claiming - in his own words - to have helped clear rubble and search for survivors.

    "Everyone who helped clear the rubble -- and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit -- but I want to tell you: Those people were amazing," Trump said. "Clearing the rubble. Trying to find additional lives. You didn't know what was going to come down on all of us -- and they handled it.

    Caution: Low-Hanging Piñata Ahead. (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:55:09 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ: "Let me know when Trump yadda, yada, yadda."

    I'll let Helen Philpotts of the blog "Margaret and Helen" take the first swing.


    Hahahahahahaha .... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:01:41 PM EST

    He does it on a daily basis.  Do you want to compare the number of times Trump's been caught lying to Obama and Hillary?  Because your candidate wins the lying competition against anyone - and it's not even close.


    There is one big difference (none / 0) (#88)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:08:44 PM EST
    All of his lying has been as a private citizen.

    Theirs has been as elected or appointed officials of the US Government  


    Moving the goal (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:15:37 PM EST
    posts once again?

    Not at all (none / 0) (#93)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:29:02 PM EST
    I always hold elected and appointed government officials to a higher standard than private citizens,

    But that is just me


    And yet your "higher standard" (none / 0) (#94)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:40:57 PM EST
    ... doesn't apply to someone running for the highest, elected office in the land, who will appoint hundreds or thousands of the appointees that you want to hold to your "higher standard".


    That's convenient.


    That's funny (none / 0) (#91)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:17:29 PM EST
    ... although completely irrelevant to the post I was responding to, which wss:


    Let me know when Trump even comes close to the lies of Obama and Hillary.

    But that's nice you think there's a "big difference".


    Say what? (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:58:53 PM EST
    TrevorBolder: "All of his lying has been as a private citizen."

    LOL! Does that include his alleged bribery of Florida AG Pam Bondi and then-Texas AG Greg Abbott regarding his Trump University scam?

    You're the ultimate tool.


    Read with your good eye (none / 0) (#96)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:43:11 AM EST
    yes, I hold statements made by elected officials and appointed officials to a higher standard than those made by private citizens.
    If that is a tool, it is the sharpest tool in the shed.
    No where did I discount lies said by The Donald,
    I only stated that elected officials should be held to a higher standard

    Nobody said that you were discounting Trump. (none / 0) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:48:10 PM EST
    But's it's quite obvious that you're attempting to impose a double standard here, by which he's judged much less harshly than is his electoral opponent, by sole virtue of his status as a non-elected official. (And for the record, Mrs. Clinton does not currently hold either elective or appointive office.)

    That's why everyone is objecting. You don't get to move the goal posts at whim and set the terms of debate here, Trevor. And if you continue to be personally abusive to TL posters, e.g., "read with your good eye," I'll inform your host and let her deal with your behavior accordingly.

    Ciao 4 now.


    Lol Seriously? (none / 0) (#127)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    I was asking a serious question, questioning your eyesight , or perhaps reading comprehension. That was not personally abusive, just concern over your eyesight.

    Now this is personally abusive

    You're the ultimate tool.



    Looks (none / 0) (#97)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:54:48 AM EST
    like the Grand Canyon of Moral relativism here. Do you really excuse serial lying as long as it is done as a private citizen? That is a bizarre argument to be making, but thanks for acknowledging that your boy has done 'all of his lying'.

    Who? (none / 0) (#98)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:59:58 AM EST
    that your boy

    Who are you referring to?

    Rubio is not a candidate for President.

    I will be voting for McMullin.

    This would be interesting

    Evan McMullin Says He Might Want Mark Cuban As VP -- And Cuban Is Open To It
    "If he gets elected I'm happy to discuss :)," Cuban wrote to BuzzFeed News.

    It's no admission that The Donald has lied, who has ever stated that he has told the truth


    Trevor (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:06:05 AM EST
    you have been concern trolling for Trump the entire time you have been on this blog. Attempting to hide behind someone else is not working.

    Your words (none / 0) (#100)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:11:41 AM EST
    All of his lying has been as a private citizen.
    Sounds like an admission and a defense.

    He swears he's a social liberal (none / 0) (#66)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:44:30 PM EST

    So what if he never voted for one. In his life.


    Yes, I am a social liberal (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:04:46 PM EST
    You are a Leftie.

    Big difference.


    I'm a real leftie (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:20:29 PM EST
    and you're a fake social liberal.

    It's hard to compare the two without more info, probably obtainable only under duress.


    Well remember (none / 0) (#77)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:18:06 PM EST
    Drumpf loves the under-educated, or was the uneducated?

    Then, by YOUR standard ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:57:16 PM EST
    But a candidate insulting voters is just stupid

    ... you've decided to support the stupidest candidate (by orders of magnitude) ever.


    Ha! I only wish we could spend the next couple (none / 0) (#92)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:20:42 PM EST
    of months arguing about what the percentage of bigots is in Trump's base.

    But alas, Hillary overheated for a bit so ...moving on.


    I would love to know how many (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 04:50:36 PM EST
    RVs knew the meaning of "deplorable" prior to HRC's  remarks last night.

    Physical relations between people over 57 (none / 0) (#9)
    by McBain on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 11:23:08 AM EST
    are good for women but bad for men according to this CNN article.
    Older men who found sex with their partner extremely pleasurable, or satisfying, had higher risk of cardiovascular events than men who did not feel so

    For their female partners, however, results were different. Women who said they had frequent, extremely satisfying sex had a lower risk of hypertension, a common precursor to heart disease.

    As with most health-related articles, I'm skeptical. There are lots of variables that could effect the results of this study but it is interesting.  

    can I ask why (none / 0) (#103)
    by CST on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 09:37:55 AM EST
    "As with most health-related articles, I'm skeptical."

    Is it that you don't believe the results, is it that you don't believe the methods of these types of studies, or is it that you don't believe in the sensational news reporting?

    It just strikes me as a very odd thing to say about scientific studies in general without any further explanation.


    Often there's a bad interpretation of the data (none / 0) (#112)
    by McBain on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:43:43 PM EST
    resulting in misleading information/recommendations.  This article wasn't terrbile.... others have been much worse.  

    An example... for decades we were told to avoid foods with saturated fat and cholesterol because they lead to heard disease.  The data didn't prove or really even suggest that.

    Another example was our crazy fascination with supplements.  An article would come out suggesting taking a high dose of a certain vitamin was good for something.  A few years later another article would suggest it does more harm than good.


    Yikes (none / 0) (#14)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 03:23:38 PM EST
    This is not comforting if you live in Germany, and will continue to accellerate their rightward swing politically.

    Germany's interior minister has warned that the country is home to more than 500 Islamic militants who could be capable of carrying out assaults on their own or as members of "hit teams."

    "The terror threat now stems from foreign hit teams as well as fanatical lone wolves in Germany," de Maiziere said in the interview ahead of the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks in the United States, which were partly coordinated from Germany.

    "The hit teams are secretly smuggled into Europe and prepare their actions without being noticed, as we saw with the attacks in Paris and Brussels," he added. "But it's even more difficult to uncover the fanatical lone wolves. Unfortunately, there is a real and present danger from both threats."

    I think you should ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 03:40:52 PM EST
    ... hide under your bed until it's all over. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out again. We promise. Unless, of course, we're swept up by The Rapture.

    Why (none / 0) (#37)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:58:29 AM EST
    Should I hide under my bed? I do not live in Germany.
    However, Germans do. And once they receive status a a citizen of the EU, can find travel around the world much easier.
    That German state officials now admit to this quantity of Islamic militants residing in Germany is scary, and they appear resigned to the fact that they will have repeated terror incidents in their country.

    The willing acceptance of the vast amount of refugees into the EU, and the terrorists that piggybacked this effort, will have political ramifications seen already, Brexit, and the advance of far right political parties which would never had the acceptance of the general public prior to the refugee crisis.

    The whole refugee debacle will continue to have repercussions, and hopefully provide historical reference in future incidents. It would have been in Europes best interests, let alone those displaced by the horrors in the homeland, to rally the world to quell the actions causing this crisis, or at a minimum create a safe zone where these unfortunate people would not have to be displaced across continents.


    If you want to traffic ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:20:12 PM EST
    ... in ethnic bigotry and gin up fear of "The Others," which is pretty much what you're doing here, then I would suggest that you do so someplace where such right-wing tripe is appreciated and reciprocated.

    Aloha, as in "Adiós."


    Yikes (none / 0) (#86)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:57:33 PM EST
    Now the French are also hiding under their bed!!!


    "This week at least two attacks were foiled," Manuel Valls said in an interview with Europe 1 radio and Itele television on Sunday.

    Valls said there were 15,000 people on the radar of police and intelligent services who were in the process of being radicalized.

    "There will be new attacks, there will be innocent victims... this is also my role to tell this truth to the French people," Valls said.

    Your chances (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 04:48:37 PM EST
    ...of being shot to death by a fellow American exercising his Second Amendment rights are thousands of times higher than your chances of being killed by a terrorist.  Last year two-year old kids shot more Americans to death than the total of terrorist attacks.  Your chances of being killed by a drunk driver who is an American citizen are even higher than your chances of being shot.

    If the insignificant threat of terrorism daunts you, how do you function in the face of these paralyzing domestic dangers?


    The point being... (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:13:31 AM EST
    Importing radical muslims is not necessary. The number should not be small. It should be zero.

    Since 9/11 (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:14:30 AM EST
    how many terrorist attacks have been committed in U.S. by Latinos?

    Corollary:  Since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks have been committed in U.S. by those coming up from Southern Border.

    The answer to both questions is your favorite number.  Zero.  Zip.  Nada. Zilch.


    I specified radical muslims. (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 12:39:19 PM EST
    But how many crimes have been committed by ULH's?

    And - according to YOU - (none / 0) (#45)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    ... the way to keep out "radical Muslims" is to stop "importing" all Muslims.  So your qualifier is meaningless.

    I think you will find (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:26:53 PM EST
    anglos commit more crimes than latinos.

    don't. You might get him started talking (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:50:52 PM EST
    about the differences between southern europeans and northern europeans again.

    I always wondered (none / 0) (#132)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 03:16:44 PM EST
    where Southerners' anti-Catholic bias came from.

    I don't know how we would ever (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:42:31 PM EST
    determine that since the FBI stats don't break them out.

    And since H/L's are in a minority I would expect them to commit fewer. However, don't take to the bank since blacks, who are around 13% of the population commit 28% of all crimes and almost 50% of the murders. But, since most of these are black on black you Lefties don't seem to care.

    Of course the real answer is that if ULH's were not in the country they couldn't have committed any crime. Kate Steinle would still be alive.

    And if you want to talk about radical islamists Here is a list of successful attacks.

    And here is a list of unsuccessful attacks.


    Funny how you righties (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 03:38:10 PM EST
    seem to always to care enough to find out the names and back stories of every white woman ever killed by (or even whistled at) by a minority, and only think of blacks in terms of how many crimes "they" as a race commit.

    While also being careful to voice your concern about witch doctors and watermelon patches on the Whitehouse lawn..


    Well, if you don't want race (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:07:18 PM EST
    brought up, then speak to MKS.

    I was responding to you (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 11:12:57 AM EST
    Mr. Bone in Your Nose.

    But wait (none / 0) (#47)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:09:03 PM EST
    Importing radical muslims is not necessary.

    What can we do about the mass-shooting, radicalized CHRISTIANS who were born in the United States?  The Dylan Roofs and the Robert Lewis Dears (Planned Parenthood shooter) of the world, whose Christian values lead them to slaughter innocents?

    What can we do about the people at Trump rallies who oppose the Constitutional standard of "innocent until proven guilty" and want to hang a candidate who has been investigated nine ways from Sunday by her political opponents, and repeatedly exonerated of every loony accusation ever brought?


    What can we do? (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 02:49:05 PM EST
    Let law enforcement do its job???

    Which, of course, is mostly holding press conferences and compiling statistics after the crime.

    Why we want to import thousands of people who have X% of members who want to kill us is not known to me.


    What would be very comforting (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 09:35:34 AM EST
    Living in Germany is the general lack of murders or terror attacks at all.

    It seems like Germany really isn't having too many problems after all, much to the chagrin of everyone screaming bloody murder about letting in refugees.


    Well (none / 0) (#128)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 08:38:58 PM EST
    Someone had best tell the German official making that statement.
    And the German voters who have recently rejected Merkel's party

    I'd say (none / 0) (#129)
    by CST on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 08:12:13 AM EST
    they've still got a firm grip on things

    "Official results released early Monday showed that Ms. Merkel's Christian Democrats had received 19 percent of the vote, against 21 percent for the far-right Alternative for Germany. The center-left Social Democrats, with whom Ms. Merkel governs nationally, got 31 percent in the state, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and are likely to continue their coalition there with Ms. Merkel's bloc."

    I can only wish that the far right had just 21% of the vote here.


    Merkel's party is center-right and they are in a coalition government with the left - a party that agrees with Merkel on immigration.  The far right is nowhere close to taking over.

    "Fear of refugees is particularly pronounced in Germany's formerly Communist east, where there are far fewer refugees than in the country's west."

    Sound familiar?


    The Cowboys and their legions of fans were stunned at home by the underdog Chippewas on the game's amazing final play. This one's definitely worth a look, and then another.

    The lesson here for college football pundits is to never take Central Michigan lightly. (There's certainly no evidence that Oklahoma State did; this was a hard-fought, back-and-forth game.) For the second year in a row, the Chippewas gave the Cowboys all they cold handle. This time, they finished the job.

    Should be a fun day in CFB today.

    As a CMU alum (class of '90) (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 11:14:40 AM EST
    (And former member of the Marching Chippewas), I am so proud of my team. No, they shouldn't have gotten that chance to begin with,  but if you are the #22 ranked team playing an unranked smaller Div I team, the game really should not come down to one play. (I also believe in karma - I will bet OSU has been the beneficiary of botched calls a time or two).

    And, OSU should have paid attention to the omen that was right in front of them before the game started.

    But the players didn't know about the botched call.  They were told to come out and execute what seemed to be an impossible play - and they did it.

    Fire Up Chips!


    Both officiating crews messed up here. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:53:13 PM EST
    Those things happen, and sometimes the mistake unfairly costs one team the game. That is not the fault of the CMU players, any more than it was the fault of the 1990 national champion Colorado Buffaloes when the refs wrongly awarded them a fifth down on 4th and goal at the end of that season's pivotal game with Missouri, which afforded them the opportunity to score the winning touchdown when they otherwise should've rightly lost.

    Because the Big 12 instant replay crew didn't challenge the MAC field crew's misinterpretation of the rule in question, the Big 12 honchos were compelled to uphold both the intentional grounding penalty as called on the field and the untimed down which resulted from it. The final results will stand.

    So, congratulations to the Central Michigan Chippewas, who let's remember were a 21-pt. underdog on the road in this game. All the Oklahoma State Cowboys had to do to win the game on that untimed down was prevent a Hail Mary / hook and lateral, which by any reasonable definition is a last-gasp play of desperation. They didn't, and they lost. End of discussion.



    No. 2 Clemson, a 35-pt. favorite, survived a last-gasp effort from Troy, 30-24, while the No. 9 Georgia Bulldogs-- a whopping 55-pt. favorite -- barely hang on against the Nicholls State Colonels, 26-24.

    Update: Officials in the CMU-OKST game ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 05:12:41 PM EST
    ... have admitted ex post facto that the Chippewas were awarded an untimed down on the game's last play in error. The Cowboys were called for intentional grounding on a 4th down play just prior, and while I'm not sure why this is the case, it looks as though NCAA rules prohibit officials from making that call as time runs out on the last play of the game. Still, rules are rules.

    Should be interesting (none / 0) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 06:31:09 PM EST
    Upon further review, this may be the first time a final score gets changed since the officials added a play after the game was officially over. The MAC officials butchered the ending.

    I don't think they'll change the outcome. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 06:54:03 PM EST
    Last fall's officiating snafu regarding the Duke-Miami game-ending play was much more hamhanded and egregious, involving multiple errors, and the officials literally cost Duke the game. And yet even after conference and NCAA review, the Hurricanes' victory was allowed to stand, even as the entire officiating crew was subsequently suspended for the rest of the season.

    I look for more suspensions of officials in this instance. Unlike last season's incompetence at the end of the Duke-Miami game, this involved an obscure rule. But that said, it's still a rule, and the officials clearly blew it by allowing CMU that untimed down.

    We'll see what happens.


    Your comparison between games (none / 0) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 10, 2016 at 08:23:25 PM EST
    is apples and oranges. One is mistakes during the game. Today's is a misapplication of a rule after the game had ended.

    ... at the game' conclusion, and not after it ended. The MAC officials flagged OSU for an intentional grounding penalty on 4th down, which also so happened to be the game's final play. Per NCAA rule, they apparently weren't allowed to call that particular penalty on the very last play of the game.

    Anyway, the issue is moot, per my post below. Big 12 officials have determined that since the Big 12 review officials in the stadium booth above also missed the call, and didn't notify the MAC field officials of their error, the game is over and the final result as called on the field stands.



    Update No. 2: (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:36:31 PM EST
    Both the MAC officiating crew and the Big 12 instant replay crew who worked yesterday's Central Michigan-Oklahoma State game have been suspended for two games by their respective conferences. Additionally, the Big 12 further decided that this particular instant replay crew will not be assigned to work in any postseason games.

    "NCAA Rules permit instant replay to correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock (FR 12.3.7). Walt Anderson, Coordinator of Football Officials, acknowledges that the Big 12 replay crew missed an opportunity to stop the game to inform the MAC officiating crew of the misapplication of the intentional grounding penalty as time expired that resulted in the untimed down leading to Central Michigan's game-winning touchdown in its 30-27 victory over Oklahoma State. Also by Rule 1.1.3.b the result of the game is final and cannot be overturned." (Emphasis is mine.)



    Donald, since both your Huskies, (none / 0) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:46:10 AM EST
    and my Ducks won their games, and will undoubtedly move up in the rankings,  do you have a prediction about those moves?  Your Huskies are much closer to the top at 8th, than the Ducks at 24th.  The system is way too complicated for me, but both you and CoralGables may have already figured  out the new rankings.  It's difficult for me to wait until the rankings are posted in the Miami Herald on Tuesday.  When and where can they first be seen?

    Next Saturday the Ducks take on the Nebraska (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:01:59 PM EST
    Cornhuskers. Game will be on ABC at 2:30 (CDT).

    Interesting factoid- the Cornhuskers' coach is former Oregon State head football coach Mike Riley. His OSU record against the Ducks is not that great. Hope it continues.

    Ducks won last night, but showed some real weaknesses. Too damn many penalties, for one. Sloppy tackling for another.

    Royce Freeman is a joy to watch.

    Go, Ducks!!!


    Not donald. But, see yahoo sports (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 10:44:10 AM EST
    for week 3 rankings. Michigan looking good.

    fishcamp, here are the week 3 rankings. (none / 0) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 01:09:20 PM EST
    The Huskies are at #8. Ducks advanced from #24 to #22.

    This week's AP Top 25.


    ... by their opponents, while other Top Ten teams such as Clemson and Georgia were lucky to escape yesterday even though both were top-heavy favorites who were playing at home, I'd offer that it's way to early to take such national rankings seriously. If you want to see the weekly rankings before Tuesday, check here.

    That said, I think this year's Huskies are potentially the real deal, while the Ducks are still in reloading mode. That assessment could easily change by the time they play each other on October 8 in Eugene.

    For one thing, the Huskies host Stanford one week prior to playing Oregon, while the Ducks travel to Wazoo to play a tough Cougar team that gave Boise State all it could handle yesterday and beat the Ducks last year in Eugene.

    For the record, the Stanford Cardinal are still my (sober) pick to win the Pac-12 North, my loyalties as a UW alum notwithstanding.

    We'll see what happens.


    Thanks for the college football (none / 0) (#101)
    by fishcamp on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 07:30:54 AM EST
    ranking sites.  I finally remembered these early games don't mean as much as the later games played in their own conferences, unless they lose.  The lesser ranked teams that play teams in the top 25 earn big bucks for their colleges, which is good for them.  Also the Miami Herald did publish the rankings this morning, unlike previous years.  Go Ducks.

    ... upon who they play. I've noticed that some of the big boy schools have taken recent criticisms to heart, and are endeavoring to schedule more robust nonconference opponents.

    Alabama opened this season with USC, even though today's Trojans aren't the Trojans of yore. (That's certainly not Alabama's fault.) That will help during those years when the inter-conference competition is less than stellar, as may be the case with the SEC this season, much as it was for the Pac-12 a few years ago.

    Oklahoma and LSU are to be respected for scheduling road games at Houston and Wisconsin, respectively, much more so than Clemson and Georgia for playing Troy and Nicholls State at home, even both of those prohibitive favorites nearly choked on their respective cupcakes.



    US, Prepare to Get Sued (none / 0) (#106)
    by RickyJim on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 11:52:38 AM EST
    Here is Jon Alterman on why Obama correctly opposes the bill to allow 911 families from suing the Saudi government.  
    THE FIX: I got an email this morning from one of the bill's supporters, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), featuring the families of 9/11 victims asking Obama to sign the bill. That's difficult to say no to.

    ALTERMAN: The optics are really difficult. But the other piece of it is: There are a lot of non-American victims of terror outside of 9/11. There are more victims of collateral damage from U.S. military action in the last 10 years than there are U.S. victims of terror. We have been using drone warfare for more than a decade. There have certainly been civilian casualties [we could be sued for].

    Alterman offers a reasonable argument. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:14:23 PM EST
    From my perspective, we really ought to question why our own federal government and officials haven't been held accountable for having actively maintained its alliance with a duplicitous 21st century feudal kingdom, even as not-insignificant factions within that kingdom's hierarchy obviously plotted against us behind our backs.

    Somebody needs to get on message (none / 0) (#131)
    by vicndabx on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 12:12:12 PM EST
    I don't know why we need such extensive medical reporting when we all have a right to privacy?" [Kellyanne] Conway said


    Same interview she makes comments about Hillary's lack of transparency w/r/t Friday's dx.

    She's also done a complete 180 (none / 0) (#133)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 06:41:40 PM EST
    ... on the need to release his tax returns, which she had previously ridiculed him for not releasing.

    No idea why a reporter doesn't call her out on her hypocrisy.


    Site Violator! (none / 0) (#136)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 14, 2016 at 01:09:28 AM EST
    From SE Asia? Indonesia?

    How can Trump be Prez with so many conflicts? (none / 0) (#137)
    by vicndabx on Wed Sep 14, 2016 at 10:21:41 AM EST
    Seems crazy this is just being vetted out now - especially considering Republican concerns around foreign influence.  I don't see a significant source of Trump family wealth being let go.


    Never before has an American candidate for president had so many financial ties with American allies and enemies, and never before has a business posed such a threat to the United States. If Donald Trump wins this election and his company is not immediately shut down or forever severed from the Trump family, the foreign policy of the United States of America could well be for sale.

    Hasn't our foreign policy... (none / 0) (#138)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 14, 2016 at 10:37:37 AM EST
    been for sale since Eisenhower at least? Not to foreign powers per se, but the military industrial complex.

    In all honesty (none / 0) (#139)
    by vicndabx on Wed Sep 14, 2016 at 11:00:34 AM EST
    I have less of a problem w/the pyramid enriching American businesses/employees and companies getting contracts via Congressional Oversight than I do w/the potential conflict of interests here.  Just one example from that article:

    With Middle Eastern business partners and American allies turning on him, Trump lashed out. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal--the billionaire who aided Trump during his corporate bankruptcies in the 1990s by purchasing his yacht, which provided him with desperately needed cash--sent out a tweet amid the outcry in Dubai, calling the Republican candidate a "disgrace." (Alwaleed is a prodigious tweeter and Twitter's second largest shareholder.) Trump responded with an attack on the prince--a member of the ruling Saudi royal family--with a childish tweet, saying, "Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy's money. Can't do it when I get elected. #Trump2016."

    Once again, Trump's personal and financial interests are in conflict with critical national security issues for the United States. During the Bush administration, Abu Dhabi, the UAE's capital, and Washington reached a bilateral agreement to improve international standards for nuclear nonproliferation. Cooperation is particularly important for the United States because Iran--whose potential development of nuclear weapons has been a significant security issue, leading to an international agreement designed to place controls on its nuclear energy efforts--is one of the UAE's largest trading partners, and Dubai has been a transit point for sensitive technology bound for Iran.

    To be sure... (none / 0) (#140)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 14, 2016 at 11:19:20 AM EST
    Trump is a whole new level of shady...all I was trying to say was our foreign policy hasn't been in the interests of the American people at large for over 50 years.  Nor in the interests of peace or universal human rights.

    Trump's foreign policy would focus on enriching himself and maybe his Russian buddies vs. the normal enriching the people who sell oil or fighter jets or computer chips for laser guided missiles.  In all honesty, I'm not sure which is worse!