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    by Ladyjustice on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 02:27:10 PM EST
    Yes, DJT, with limited campaign funds, is using the corporate networks to make the campaign happen for him.  Every night is NOT about America, it is a battleship destroyer careening (much like the deranged male careening into the crowd in Paris) into the convention with only one objective.  Not only to destroy Hillary Clinton, but also to destroy all that is GOOD about our country.  Does anyone recognize these individuals, with their words of hatred, invoking lucifer, and incivility of "lock her up."  Where is their moral compass?  The mob mentality is capable of such destruction.  

    Corporate media, SHAME, SHAME SHAME.

    Ezra Klein on (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:48:29 PM EST
    Donald Trump.  A manifesto on the menace.

    Regrets, (none / 0) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:54:54 PM EST
    covered on Lazy Trump thread. Please delete.

    Dan Savage: No holds barred. (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:39:22 PM EST
    On a call-in podcast, he pulls no punches when asked what he thinks about about third-party presidential candidacies in general, and the Green Party's Jill Stein specifically. Even though this online conversation happened two months ago, it somehow resonates more today than when he first said it last May, particularly in light of Stein's own increasingly noxious comments about Hillary Clinton:

    "If you're interested in building a third party, a viable third party, you don't start with president. You don't start by running someone for f---ing president.

    "Where are the Green Party candidates for city councils? For county councils? For state legislatures? For state assessor? For state insurance commissioner? For governor? For f---ing dogcatcher? I would be SO willing to vote for Green Party candidates who are starting at the bottom, grassroots, bottom up, building a third party, a viable third party.

    "You don't do that by trotting out the reanimated corpse of Ralph f---ing Nader every four f---ing years. Or his doppelgänger, whoever it is now, Jill Stein and some a$$hole-to-be-named four years from now. You start by running grassroots, local campaigns. And there've been -- and I'm sure we're going hear from lots of people out there listening -- there have been a couple of Green Party candidates who've run in other races here and there across the country. But no sustained effort to build a Green Party nationally. Just this griping, bullsh-tty, grandstanding, fault-finding, purity-testing, holier than thou-ing, that we are all subjected to every four f---ing years by the Green Party candidate.

    "And the folks, including you caller -- and I love you and I respect you and we're having this debate and I'm not treating you with kid gloves because I respect you -- who are fooled by them, who are sucked into this bullsh-t, who are tricked by these grandstanding, attention-seeking, bullsh-t-spewing charlatans, into wasting your vote.


    "The revolution did not come in 2000 when George W. Bush got close enough to winning to steal the White House. It will not come if Donald J. Trump gets his a$$ elected. Disaster will come.

    "And the people who'll suffer are not going to be the pasty white Green Party supporters -- pasty white Jill Stein and her pasty white supporters. The people who'll suffer are going to be people of color. People of minority faiths. Queer people. Women.

    "Don't do it. Don't throw your vote away on Jill Stein / vote for, bankshot-style, Donald Trump."


    Definitely (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 06:13:51 PM EST
    and I've said the same thing. The Greens always want to start at the top and yet if they did freakishly win an election none of their agenda would get accomplished.

    22 years ago, the Green Party in Hawaii ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 06:52:12 PM EST
    ... was actually poised to make some serious political noise, with Linda Martin's very impressive showing in the 1994 U.S. Senate race and Keiko Bonk's rise to become Chair of the Hawaii County Council in Hilo, the second most powerful political post on the Big Island after the mayor.

    But alas, that all changed in 1996 when a number of the party's men had a masculine temper tantrum, and decided that these women were unfit to lead. So they muscled Martin and Bonk aside to instead choose as their leader the irascible and self-serving Ira Rohter, a rather grandiose University of Hawaii political science professor who then sought to remake the Green Party in his own image.

    (This was a guy who once berated me in 2002 for not being willing to allow Green Party petitions to be circulated at a Democratic fundraiser in my district. I told him that he should host his own fckn event and not piggyback off of mine.)

    Two decades later, both Linda Martin and Keiko Bonk are Democrats, and Ira Rohter is dead, having effectively taken the Hawaii Green Party's chances of political viability with him to the grave.



    Politico (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:42:00 PM EST
    Has the text of Trump's speech for tonight, if you want to pre-emptively call BS and save yourself from watching.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 07:22:39 PM EST
    Leaked by a Republican staffer to the HRC camp.  David Brock leaked it to the media.

    Oh and Paul Manafort said on MSNBC that women should vote for Trump because, "They can't afford their lives. Their husbands can't afford paying the family bills."


    So Trump is going to pay my bills? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 07:59:31 PM EST
    Hmmm, I might have to think about that...

    ... to address the final night of its convention isn't even pretending any more to be broad-based and balanced.

    Republicans rocking and rolling (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 08:01:40 PM EST
    Is a difficult thing to watch.  As Maher says, Motown night at the assisted care facility.

    Which is why (none / 0) (#29)
    by coast on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:16:57 PM EST
    I'm binging Newroom.  Season 1 down.  Figure seasons 2 and 3 will carry thru the next convention.

    Ivanka is the Family Star (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by KD on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:21:34 PM EST
    Hers was the best speech of the convention. It's lucky she doesn't speak more often.

    KFC FIRES COLONEL SANDERS (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:23:35 PM EST
    No wait,  that's not it.....


    Change you can beleive in (none / 0) (#3)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:27:14 PM EST
    Could have happened years ago of course if the women had decided to speak up and rid themselves and the country of that pestilence. Probably they were afraid of being 'Fluked' by his pals.

    Am I too optimistic in thinking there will be at least a little bit of a sea change at Fox?


    The only sea of change we really need... (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:36:51 PM EST
    is in tv viewer habits...skip over Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.  We'd all save valuable brain cells that way.

    skip television completely; save even more (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:01:08 PM EST
    "a vast wasteland" - former FCC Chair Newton Minow

    "vile and pernicious" - Frank Zappa


    The change may be at CNN (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 03:31:15 PM EST

    Fox News will continue without Roger Ailes, but the cable news leader could see their time at the top come to an end. It has been widely speculated that CNN has been adding more conservative on-air talent because they are positioning themselves to make a play for big name Fox Newsers who may want out after Ailes is gone.

    i dont know what Fluked means (none / 0) (#26)
    by linea on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 08:33:12 PM EST
    but im glad his sort is gone and im glad MKelly came forward too.

    I believe (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 08:37:56 PM EST
    It was a reference to Sandra Fluke.

    Glad someone can keep up (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 12:08:47 AM EST
    Ted Cruz (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 04:04:21 PM EST
    There (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 04:38:55 PM EST
    are no winners in that situation.

    I think that remains to be seen (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 04:58:50 PM EST
    If, as many expect, Trump loses, Cruz could come out of this smelling pretty good.

    To conservatives (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    I mean, like dogs sniffing other dogs butts.

    In a way (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 07:13:08 PM EST
    yes but the establishment is still going to hate him and he's going to have to fight that. I mean I read today that the Texas delegation was hopping mad at Cruz for what he did. It certainly will be interesting to see how all this shakes out over the next months and years.

    Love the people yelling at him about (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 04:06:10 PM EST
    breaking that inane 'pledge'. Truly unhinged.

    Charlotte, NC is losing the NBA (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:09:17 PM EST
    All-Star game because of the state's transphobic bathroom law. The NBA warned NC that this could happen, and the state chose bigotry over profit.

    i hate sports (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by linea on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 10:47:58 PM EST
    the nc law is dumb and it's so badly written that it would (theoretically) force people with man-bits to use the womens room when they don't want to.  clearly, the opposite of the intent.

    I think that I have a new found respect... (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:55:11 PM EST
    for the NBA.

    "While we recognize that the NBA cannot choose the law in every city, state, and country in which we do business, we do not believe we can successfully host our All-Star festivities in Charlotte in the climate created by HB2," the league said in a statement.

    A Trump delegate (none / 0) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:38:17 PM EST
    from Illinois, Lori Gayne, wrote on Facebook over a photo of law enforcement officials on the roof of a building on Lake Erie shore: "our brave snipers just waiting for some N----to try something.  Love them."  After being brought to the attention of a Chicago Sun Times reporter, the Illinois GOP revoked her convention credentials.

    That Rocky Mountain water (none / 0) (#28)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:04:27 PM EST
    Residents of the small Denver area town of Hugo were warned not to drink the water because of THC contamination.  They were also warned not to cook with the water or even to wash their grubby hands in it.  Because.  "Chemicals."

    - Julie Brown on our protectorate.

    It's not like it's going to kill you :) (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 11:12:39 PM EST
    I'd drink the water :)

    Hugo isn't far from my family's ranches. Cute little town. Adorable city block park right in the middle of town. Extremely Conservative though. And my ranching family members are still FREAKING out that Colorado is stoner friendly.


    This (none / 0) (#34)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 01:02:56 PM EST
    It looks like a very wet weekend ahead, ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 03:53:01 PM EST
    ... as Tropical Storm Darby approaches Big Island from the east. Its effects are expected to start hitting us tonight, and NOAA-National Weather Service is predicting about 15 inches of rain and 60 mph winds. Good thing I finished all the yard work yesterday and cleaned up the trees of loose and broken branches. I just harvested about 85 lbs. of apple bananas from our banana trees out back, and I hope Darby doesn't wreck all the ripening fruit on our two mango trees. It's about two weeks too early to pick them.

    We are under a "heat dome" (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 04:14:49 PM EST
    Heat warnings right through the weekend.  I just went to the store for ice cream, comments made me crave, and I got home with ice cream soup.

    It's terribly humid and muggy right now. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:11:26 PM EST
    But that's to be expected, given the proverbial calm before the storm. The winds are expected to start picking up by about 8:00 p.m. HST, and conditions will deteriorate overnight. By the time morning comes, we'll be experiencing heavy rains, which are expected to continue through Sunday. Anyway, we know the drill, and it's going to be one of those days where if you don't have to go out into the storm, you don't. We went grocery shopping yesterday afternoon, so we're all stocked up. Bring it on.

    THE NIGHT OF (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 05:58:53 PM EST
    I just got around to watching the most recent episode of this HBO series.  SO good.

    Such a chilling, and it's said, accurate look inside the criminal justice system.

    They really let you feel a bit of what it's like to be cast into this sea of hostility and indifference.  Really creepy and really good.

    Episode 3 tomorrow night.