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Trump vs. Ryan

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Thu May 05, 2016 at 10:28:24 PM EST
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House Speaker Paul Ryan won't support Donald Trump right now. He said Trump doesn't advance the principles of the Republican party. He doesn't think Trump is running a campaign Republicans can be proud of. He is unhappy with Trump's belittlement and bullying.

Is it Trump's crassness or his values Ryan objects to? Sounds like the former. Ryan sounds like he's trying to dictate how Trump runs his campaign. Memo to Ryan: It's not going to happen.

I've always disliked Paul Ryan's values. You can read his position on issues here.

Watching Republicans fall all over themselves and castigate their fellow Republicans is mildly entertaining. But in the end their views are all the same -- unacceptable.

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    This (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 07:45:26 AM EST
    But in the end their views are all the same -- unacceptable.

    Here is a brief preview of the next 6 months-

    Good morning!  I'm Biff Blatherer in New York.  This morning we have with us congress woman Hedda Lettuce.  Congress woman Lettuce is running for reelection in Pensultuckys 13 district.  Welcome.

    Thank you Biff.  I'm so happy to be here and have the opportunity to talk about my plan to....

    Yes. And we will.  But first, earlier today Donald Trump said he believed the moon to be made of cheese.  Do you agree?

    Well, Biff, I'm not a scientist and...

    No but you are running for a seat in the House of Representstives who controlls spending and will have to decide if you will fund his planned mission to the dark side of the moon to find out once and for all if there is a race of green amazons living in caves and eating the cheese.

    Well, Biff, I would think there needs to be more study on that but if I could...

    And what about bringing them back and putting them incontroll of the southern border.  Would  you be in favor of that Congresswoman Lettuce?

    Biff I think we are getting ahead of ourselves.  I raelly wanted to talk about...

    Sorry we are out of time.  Such an interesting topic!  We will have you back real soon.   Be safe on the trail!

    We'll be right back.

    Que political commercial-
    Ominous music over grainy red tinted video of the moon-
    "Hedda Lettuce agrees with Donald Trump that there are green amazons on the moon and wants to use your tax dollars to bring them back to guard our southern border!
    Tell Congresswoman lettuce our children and seniors are more important than amazons on the moon"

    -----------

    There you go.  That what the next 6 months is going to be like for every republican running for anything anywhere but especially for House and Senate.
    Every election in the country is now about Donald Trump.   This is why Ryan said what he said.  It was an attempt to give cover to thise who needed it to run as far and fast as they can from Donald.

    It won't work.  They can run but they can't hide.

    I think (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:21:36 AM EST
    that is why there is talk of a third party.

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    Won't happen IMO (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:26:05 AM EST
    But even if it did it would not help with the dilemma above.  Donald is the head of the Republican Party.  Unless they plan to run as a third party it won't make a difference.

    Trump may have some kind of magic Teflon juju but it does not extend downticket.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM EST
    the thinking is that they could say they are supporting Candidate X third party for president. However, being that it is 6 months until the election there really is not time to build a third party. The only way they could do anything is to take over an existing third party like the conservative party.

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    The Libertarian party (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:47:24 AM EST
    Is supposedly the only one with ballot access in all 50 states.  Good luck getting some establishment hack through the nominating process which is coming up.

    I expect it will be Johnson.  His star is rising.  Few of the Kristol, Krauthammer crowd will vote for of support Gary Johnson.

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    So, Mary Matalin's announcement (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:05:24 AM EST
    yesterday that she has switched from being a Repub and is now registered as a Libertarian may have some practical application for her.  Other than being a Repub mouthpiece married to a strong Democratic mouthpiece, James Carville, she may be most known for her alignment with the Bush/Cheney crowd.  (For me, Matalin brings to mind a telling moment captured during an interview in 2000 as she sat with Bush et al in Florida ... and, if memory serves, she actually uttered a but-that-can't-be when the Florida returns on general election night showed Al Gore winning Florida.  She had a stunned look, as if she "knew" otherwise. 'Never forgotten that look.)

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    Almost exactly the same story is told (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:08:43 AM EST
    About Sandra Day O'Conner

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    I'd like to see that interview again, Capt. (none / 0) (#14)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:15:28 AM EST
    The one with Matalin, that is.  Because I still remember the expression I saw on <CBS> in expression & tone.  She was, I believe, directly associated with the Cheney operation, wasn't she?

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    The questions pose themselves (none / 0) (#15)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:40:40 AM EST
    Do you think, Capt., that M. Matalin has anyone in mind to advise, assist, etc. who might be a Libertarian?  Probably a coincidence ... that she couldn't wait to announce her change of parties ... maybe or maybe not....  The whole primary season has an Alice in Wonderland quality, tho.

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    I noticed it to (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:48:57 AM EST
    Maybe a flag that they really are going to try to steal the Libertarian nomination with some hack.

    Pass the popcorn.

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    I think they (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:51:22 AM EST
    Underestimate Johnson.  Or fear him maybe.  I really think he is going to make some news this cycle.  He seems in some ways a man who's time has come.

    Interestingly I could totally vote for him.  He would be my strong second choice.

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    He'll (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    probably get a lot of votes of Republicans who are sick of the tea party nuts.

    The biggest irony of this whole election so far is that religious conservatives have been shut out for the most part with no candidate.

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    Not so much (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:03:05 PM EST
    Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, is polling in double digits against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a new Monmouth University poll. In the potential three-way race, Johnson garnered 11 percent of the vote, and, perhaps surprisingly, had a (slightly) more detrimental effect on Clinton than on Trump.



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    Plus (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:05:17 PM EST
    He is running straight at Sanders supporters.  He will get some.  I saw you say he has little in common with Bernie.  Not true.  He has a lot for thise voters.
    Ask kdog.

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    the Libetarian (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 06, 2016 at 03:52:47 PM EST
    platform includes, phasing out/privatizing SS, eliminating most government regulations, absolute free trade, privatizing education(free college are you kidding?), abolishing the IRS, no minimum wage and much more.

    Except for the social issues their platform is diametrically opposed to Bernie's.

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    To quote Rachel (again) (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 07, 2016 at 07:29:55 AM EST
    "Political platforms are not documents that are read by anyone but the authors"

    I would say the goes double for a party like the Libertaruan party.
    A couple of things.
    I don't agree with Johnson on every topic.  I also don't agree with Hillary on every topic.
    The other thing is all that krap about privatizing SS and the rest has exactly zero chance of getting through congress.  Less than zero I would say.  Even the existing congress.  The mor democratic one that we will have in 2017 even less.

    OTOH having a President with the views Johnson holds, on personal privacy and freedom coukd mean a helluva lot in real terms because as Obama has shown there are many things a president can do around the edges that can be significant.

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    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:43:00 PM EST
    in the economic sense if they are serious about it he has nothing for them but yes, the drug war being their main thing in common I would think.

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    And a lot of (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:44:55 PM EST
    Bernie supporters were 2012 Paulheads. So while they won't get the revolution they seem to wandering from candidate to candidate looking for they do get something from Johnson.

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    Johnson will pull some from (none / 0) (#23)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:13:53 PM EST
    the wandering Wandering Sanders-Warren-ABC bunch ... plus, some additional youth and latter-day protesters groups.  As you indicate, there may be some Repubs--e.g., the to-date hidden moderate types that, interestingly, may come from swing states.  

    Yet, I still don't understand what the methodical Matilin is doing.  If it is more than a spontaneous urge to go Libertarian, then I'd look for where some unknown donors might be because she knows where the $$$$$ are.  Could a combo of some sort be possible with G. Johnson ... what came to mind as I was watering the plants had to do with who has gone on record as saying a Third Party would be an option?  So ... in the land of speculation, up pops the Senator from Nebraska who has openly opposed Trump and seems to have an inviting edge about him.  His name: Ben Sasse (I think :) ) Sasse has suggested in compilations about Trump that it might be time for a 3rd party; Sasse has a direct, center-of-the-country, down-to-earth, good looking charm about him ... at first blush.  Of course, if he contemplated any such thing, he would have to kiss his Nebraska and Repub future good-bye; but, he might like succeeding the Pauls.  Bottom line: Matalin knows the $$$$$ & the strategies & the players.

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    There seems to be (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:22:02 PM EST
    A bit of a rise in the popularity of Libertarianism with rightish talking heads.  Like Liz Mair.

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    It could just be about (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:26:38 PM EST
    The total embarrassment the Republican Party has become.  Must be getting damn hard to defend at cocktail parties.

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    Personally (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 02:10:43 PM EST
    I noticed people calling themselves Libertarians after or during the last part of the George W. Bush administration. Now these people call themselves libertarians however they really are Republicans who are just too embarrassed to call themselves that. If you talk to them you'll find that they sound just like garden variety Republicans.

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    Johnson or Sanders (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    5 Reasons Sanders supporters should vote for Gary Johnson

    (Anti-war, marriage equality, end corporate welfare, legalize pot and against the NSA)

    Gary Johnson may catch the Bern

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    No (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:04:58 AM EST
    they would never be able to get one of their own nominated for the Libertarian party but maybe they just say they're supporting whoever the conservative party runs even though it doesn't have ballot access. It will be interesting to see what really happens. I've been watching here in GA and so far the answer has been basically "no comment". I don't know if they are going to be able to keep getting away with that or not.

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    Funnier than your inventive, hilarious take (none / 0) (#6)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:28:16 AM EST
    is the likelihood that the scenario you paint here, Capt., will start appearing throughout the summer.

    It is also thought by many political strategists that--with two individuals who begin the cycle with putative high negatives--if the race devolves into a referendum about the character of one of them <per your example, Trump> the other candidate is winning now and will win <in this example, HRC.>  While the prognosticators have been unimpressively inaccurate this season, maybe they may finally hit the mark with this one.

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    This is all a show (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by jbindc on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    Ryan will be campaigning with Trump in Wisconsin by summer.

    I'm not so sure about that. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 06, 2016 at 04:00:11 PM EST
    There were a lot of very nasty things said about Trump by GOP establishment types which simply can't be taken back, without making those who called Trump a "phony," "fraud," "psychopath," etc., look extraordinarily foolish to those who heard them say those things.

    Given that up to 40% of Republican voters in recent polls have indicated that they consider Donald Trump unacceptable and unfit for public office, it's possible that a rather significant bloc of them are going to write off this presidential election and stand down.

    I seriously doubt that the entire 40% would walk, perhaps up to half the above number at the very most. But even if two-thirds to three-quarters of them eventually return to the fold, the absence of 5 to 8 million otherwise likely GOP voters would still be enough to seriously damage Trump's overall prospects.

    So, I don't see any upside to Speaker Ryan supporting the nominee at this point. Instead, he will likely focus his own efforts on down-ticket races, in an effort to maintain / save his party's majorities in Congress and various state legislatures.

    And if Trump really proves unpopular and unpalatable with the general public, who knows? Ryan may even see his own seat in southern Wisconsin's I-90 corridor eventually come into play, the way Speaker Tom Foley's seat in Spokane did in the late stages of the 1994 midterm campaign.

    This has been a crazy year thus far, and I'm plum out of predictions at this point. I mean, Just when I thought Republicans couldn't possibly go any lower because their bar was already set a foot below sea level, they proved me wrong again with Trump as the apparent nominee in waiting.

    So, nothing should be off the table. We'll see who finally shows up in Cleveland. That ought to be a good indicator of where GOPers are headed this fall. If the lead stories that week focus more on who's not there than the nominee himself, well, I'd certainly like the Democrats' chances at that point.

    Aloha.

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    It's difficult to be (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Fri May